U.S. Social Security website crashing
Perhaps of assistance, from the Washington Post today ..
Social Security website keeps crashing, as DOGE demands cuts to IT staff
The worsening problems come as Elon Musk’s DOGE team pushes for more cuts at the agency, including in the department that oversees the website.
By Lisa Rein, Hannah Natanson and Elizabeth Dwoskin April 7, 2025 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/07/social-security-website-crashes-musk-trump/
Retirees and disabled people are facing chronic website outages and other access problems as they attempt to log in to their online Social Security accounts, even as they are being directed to do more of their business with the agency online.
The website has crashed repeatedly in recent weeks, with outages lasting anywhere from 20 minutes to almost a day, according to six current and former officials with knowledge of the issues.
Even when the site is back online, many customers have not been able to sign in to their accounts — or have logged in only to find information missing.
For others, access to the system has been slow, requiring repeated tries to get in.
The problems come as the Trump administration’s cost-cutting team, led by Elon Musk, has imposed a downsizing that’s led to 7,000 job cuts and is preparing to push out thousands more employees at an agency that serves 73 million Americans.
The new demands from Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service include a 50 percent cut to the technology division responsible for the website and other electronic access.
Many of the network outages appear to be caused by an expanded fraud check system imposed by the DOGE team, current and former officials said. The technology staff did not test the new software against a high volume of users to see if the servers could handle the rush, these officials said.
The technology issues have been particularly alarming for some of the most vulnerable Social Security customers.
For almost two days last week, for example, many of the 7.4 million adults and children receiving monthly benefits under the anti-poverty program known as Supplemental Security Income, or SSI, confronted a jarring message that claimed they were “currently not receiving payments,” agency officials acknowledged in an internal email to staff.
The error messages set off widespread panic until recipients discovered that their monthly checks had still been deposited in their bank accounts.
Another breakdown disabled the SSI system for much of the day on Friday, prompting claims staff to cancel appointments because they could not enter new disability claims in the system and blocking some already receiving benefits from gaining access to their accounts.
“Social Security’s response has been, ‘Oops,’” said Darcy Milburn, director of Social Security and health-care policy at the Arc, a national nonprofit that advocates for people with disabilities. The group fielded dozens of calls last week from nervous clients who saw the inaccurate message and assumed their monthly check, usually paid on the first of the month, would not arrive.
“It’s woefully insufficient when we’re talking about a government agency that’s holding someone’s lifeline in their hands,” Milburn said.
The disruptions are occurring as acting commissioner Leland Dudek and the DOGE team move to lay off large swaths of the workforce in a new phase of downsizing.
Thousands of employees already have been pushed out — many in customer-facing roles, others with expertise in the agency’s cumbersome technology systems.
At least 800 of the 3,000 employees left in the division that manages all of the Social Security databases face layoffs, a senior official said on Friday. The newly named chief information officer, Scott Coulter, a Musk-aligned private equity analyst, has demanded a cut of 50 percent, the official said.
The network outages are one in a cascade of blows to customer service that also have hobbled phone systems and field office operations as the workforce shrinks.
A surge in visitors to the website is overwhelming the computer system as customers — nervous that the rapid changes at the agency will compromise their benefits — download their benefit and earnings statements and attempt to file claims.
President Donald Trump has said that his administration will not reduce Social Security benefits.
The chaos could accelerate starting April 14, when new identification measures are set to take effect that will require millions of customers applying for benefits to authenticate their identity online, part of the administration’s campaign to root out allegedly fraudulent claims.
“We’re just spiking like crazy,” said one senior official, who, like others in this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about agency operations. “It’s people who are terrified that DOGE is messing with our systems. It’s the sheer massive volume of freaked-out people.”
The Social Security press office said in a statement that officials are “actively investigating the root cause” of the incidents, which they called “brief disruptions” averaging about 20 minutes each with the exception of the SSI error message. But on several occasions, including during an outage last Monday, customers were shut out of the website for hours.
The system was back online last Monday after two hours, but lingering issues lasted through the afternoon while all backlogged queries were processed, current and former officials said. And a system upgrade on a Saturday in late March took several hours longer than anticipated and knocked out the network.
Three times in a recent 10-day stretch, the online systems the field office staff rely on to serve the public have crashed, said one employee in an Indiana office.
The downed programs included tools employees use to schedule visits, to see who has booked an appointment and to check who has arrived, the employee said. It is unheard-of for the system to fail this often, and each outage has led to chaos, they said.
Suddenly forced offline as they were taking claims, the staff members scribbled down clients’ information, then had to wait until later to load it into the computer, doubling or tripling the amount of time and work involved, the employee said.
In other instances, managers or security guards improvised a solution after the online scheduling system failed, the employee said. They walked out to the reception area, wrote down numbers on paper slips and started handing them out to people waiting in line.
The network crashes appear to be caused by an expansion initiated by the Trump team of an existing contract with a credit-reporting agency that tracks names, addresses and other personal information to verify customers’ identities. The enhanced fraud checks are now done earlier in the claims process and have resulted in a boost to the volume of customers who must pass the checks.
But the technology staff did not test the software against a high volume of users to see if the servers could handle the rush, current and former officials said. Connectivity issues and bugs with the expanded system have caused the portal that manages log-ins and authentication for many Social Security applications to go down, officials said.
At a weekly operations meeting on March 28 that was made public last week, Wayne Lemon, deputy chief information officer for infrastructure and IT operations, acknowledged the network crashes and said, “While they’ve been brief, we prefer no outages.”
He said the outages were under investigation and may involve “challenges we’ve experienced with a number of partners.” Part of the problem may be that the outages have occurred during “high volume use of the network.”
Customers, meanwhile, are growing more frustrated.
In Upland, California, 72-year-old Kathy Stecher began trying to apply for retirement benefits more than a week ago. One of her first steps was to visit the Social Security website to book a required appointment at her local field office, because she believed she had to authenticate her identity in person first.
But over several days stretching from last month through Wednesday, the website wouldn’t let Stecher schedule a visit. The site displayed a small bar reading, “Make an appointment,” she said, but whenever she clicked on it, nothing happened.
When she finally reached someone on the phone, the website’s booking tool wasn’t working, she said. The employee sighed and told her that similar problems have become routine, forcing customers to wait on hold for hours. So much was changing so fast at the agency, the employee said.
In recent weeks, Robert Raniolo, 67, a retired financial analyst in New York, found himself stuck when he tried to update his emergency contact by designating his niece instead of his wife, who has dementia.
Since he began receiving retirement benefits five years ago, Raniolo has never missed a payment or had trouble getting online, he said. But this time he got an error message — and kept getting them. “Bad Request,” read one notification, according to a screenshot he provided to The Washington Post. “There has been an unexpected system error,” read another.
He was directed to try again during “regular service hours” on the East Coast.
So Raniolo kept trying — three to five times a day, every day, for the next five days. He tried at different times. He tried using his phone instead of his Chromebook. He tried different internet browsers: Chrome, Edge, DuckDuckGo.
Technology issues on the Social Security website have alarmed some of the most vulnerable people who receive benefits.
Nothing worked. By last Monday evening, he still had not managed to get into his account to change his emergency contact.
He has begun to imagine the worst. What if something happens to him overnight, leaving his wife the only person authorized to communicate with Social Security on his behalf?
She probably wouldn’t know to call 911 if he collapsed on the floor, Raniolo said. She certainly wouldn’t understand how to manage or consider financial matters.
“If you were to call her right now, she wouldn’t know how to answer the phone,” Raniolo said. “That’s why it’s so frustrating to me I can’t make a simple transaction on the Social Security website.”
In Westborough, Massachusetts, outside Boston, last Monday, Chris Hubbard checked the Facebook feed where the statewide community of parents of disabled children receiving SSI benefits posts news and information and saw that a friend logging in to the Social Security website was notified that her child was not receiving benefits. Hubbard and her husband, Tom, have a profoundly autistic son. The monthly check to pay for the group home where he lives was ready to go into the mail the next morning, the first of the month, when his SSI check always hits his bank accounts. When Hubbard logged in, her son’s account also showed “no history of payments.”
“My mind was racing,” she recalled. She envisioned going through the agonizing process of reapplying for benefits for her son. She couldn’t sleep and continued to check the website until 2:30 a.m. Same message.
On Tuesday, the check had finally been deposited by 9 a.m. But the message, now clearly an error, was still up on the website until that afternoon. “The whole thing was very alarming,” Hubbard said.
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Cut 7,000 employees and have computer problems. SHOCKING!!!
I read this in other places, but is it actually true?
The problem with the anti-Trump press is the same as the pro-Trump press.
They both lie to suit the angle they want to spin.
The report I read last said there was no evidence the outages were down to DOGE.
The truth will be interesting, especially for those who claimed the loss of the telephone service wasn't much of an issue because they had the site.
Understand concerns Fred .. though must say, I would fairly readily trust the Washington Post to be above knowingly falsifying news items. And the US Gov IT systems apparently operated quite reliably, before these rushed Trump staff and algorthym changes, or so one understands? Does expat experience confirm this?
Whatever, the point is for retired U.S. expats, the IT is apparently crashing.
Happy trails
Tough one to call without proper evidence.
However, I'm inclined to believe it given the general state of things under Trump and Musk.
I read this in other places, but is it actually true?The problem with the anti-Trump press is the same as the pro-Trump press.They both lie to suit the angle they want to spin.The report I read last said there was no evidence the outages were down to DOGE.The truth will be interesting, especially for those who claimed the loss of the telephone service wasn't much of an issue because they had the site. - @Fred
Exactly. It's near impossible these days to trust anything in the media, whether it be traditional news sources or all the social media sites.
My gut feel is that it is "likely", but for different reasons other than polarized viewpoints. Having worked in tech for 35 yrs with the last 15-20 in high-volume e-commerce sites, a web site wouldn't just implode with the loss of employees - and that's assuming the employees ALL worked on the web site itself. It could be something nefarious, such as a D/DOS attack, or - which I am leaning more toward - the web site has not been adequately maintained even up to this point and is getting a huge amount of traffic, which is causing outages. It happens a more often than people realize, especially with government-owned web sites (*). With all the rhetoric being spilled today (a lot of it being false) about Trump/Musk putting an end to SS services, people may be rushing to get on to get more information about their specific accounts, causing an overload the site was not equipped(/adequately tested) to handle.
BTW, speaking of D/DOS attacks, I look for these to ramp up considerably across both government web sites and commercial ones now that there is a tariff war going on with China. The Chinese bad actors are constantly hitting American web sites even during "normal" times, but usually for entrance to gain information or money. They'll be doing it now for retaliation purposes.
(*) - As a real estate investor and retired software engineer, I used to write programs that would crawl various government web sites to "scrape" information, such as property tax rolls, delinquencies, etc. A far number of those sites would start crashing within 5-10 minutes from all the queries I was sending it.
I was on the website yesterday to get my 2024 tax forms and had no issues.
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As an Aussie, one is pleased to hear these comments gents.
You guys probably understand, we aussies like and much respect America. In fact, we wish nothing but success and good will to every world country. That's the way it is. I'm in my seventies, Australia has always been this way for my entire life. Expect & hope it always will.
It's not a suck-job, because this applies to the whole world.
Good-will from almost every aussie, and to every world country.
And, I've found most of the Philippines has much this same attitude.
Anyway, good luck to every one of us here, ladies and gentlemen
Come on the world 😉
That's being aussie .. just wanted to say it here!
So now Social Security information is being used to eliminate supposed illegal immigrants. They are being listed as dead, therefore not allowing them to do much of anything. Once again due process is being ignored.
I read this in other places, but is it actually true?The problem with the anti-Trump press is the same as the pro-Trump press.They both lie to suit the angle they want to spin.The report I read last said there was no evidence the outages were down to DOGE.The truth will be interesting, especially for those who claimed the loss of the telephone service wasn't much of an issue because they had the site. - @Fred
No problems accessing the site for my wife and I during three logins from March 27. The termination of the employees who apparently would only work from home and not at the office (and often had other jobs as well) probably did not impact the Mysocial security.gov site. Liberals would want to attribute any problem to DOGE but in our case, there was no "problem". I will note that with all of the publicity, many people who normally would not log on were attempting to log on for the first time in years or even trying to register the account for the first time. People who dis not use the website much were now confronted with new security measures requiring registration with "login.gov", which requires documentary proof of ID like a drivers license and a selfie and then logs you on thru 2FA methods. For people familiar with IT like me, this is no problem. But there are many recipients who probably find the new security measures of login.gov to be difficult and maybe even overwhelming for some elderly. Also, depending on when they were trying to log in, SSA is shut down everyday for maintenance and when that happens it tells you that but not everybody reads such notices. I would expect that there would be long lines at the SSA offices consisting of people who are afraid of losing their pensions for no reason, due largely to the anti-DOGE hype of misinformation. The biggest change is that you canNOT call SSA by phone any longer to change your bank deposit information. That must now be done either online (secure, due to 2FA etc.) or in person. This is a good change though: Imagine, if someone has another person's SSA number and some basic information about that person. In the past, the scammer could just call SSA and have that person's checks deposited into the scammer's account. That was so easy to do, just by a phone call, and it has been a problem, so, this is a pretty good attempt at fixing that. The fact that such an easy scam was even possible is rather unsettling.
So now Social Security information is being used to eliminate supposed illegal immigrants. They are being listed as dead, therefore not allowing them to do much of anything. Once again due process is being ignored. - @mugtech
This is a new one for me. What I did hear was that (truly) illegal immigrants whom Biden refused to deport were given social security numbers so they could work. This was probably an abuse of the system because it raises the question, if a person is in the country illegally, how can they work legally? This Trump action recognizes the problem; after all, how can the people respect rule of law when the government itself is gaming its own legal system to that extent? So Trump takes away the social security numbers in hopes the illegals will self-deport as there is no way he can deport all of them, apparently. So, in a common-sense world you recognize that, given the illegality of their presence here, the only solution is to send them back home. The US is not sending these non-criminals to a prison or some other hell hole; he is sending them "home". I do not consider sending somebody, who was not invited in to the country, to go back home, to be cruel or unusual. These are simply economic refugees looking for a better life BUT who cannot just sneak into the country and "take" whatever they want; there are legal ways to get in line and emigrate.
This is a new one for me. What I did hear was that (truly) illegal immigrants whom Biden refused to deport were given social security numbers so they could work. This was probably an abuse of the system because it raises the question, if a person is in the country illegally, how can they work legally? This Trump action recognizes the problem;
- @danfinn
Can you link to evidence that the above is true.
The last time I asked a poster for this, they linked to a Fox news story that quoted DOGE.
Is there any actual evidence, and can you link to it, please?
o Trump takes away the social security numbers in hopes the illegals will self-deport as there is no way he can deport all of them, apparently. So, in a common-sense world you recognize that, given the illegality of their presence here, the only solution is to send them back home
Something wrong with listing people as dead who are not dead in the Social Security system. Justifying false info as a way to catch illegals is very unAmerican.
o Trump takes away the social security numbers in hopes the illegals will self-deport as there is no way he can deport all of them, apparently. So, in a common-sense world you recognize that, given the illegality of their presence here, the only solution is to send them back home Something wrong with listing people as dead who are not dead in the Social Security system. Justifying false info as a way to catch illegals is very unAmerican. - @mugtech
Where did you see this? I have paid a lot of attention to this and my information is that the numbers were simple canceled or deactivated. I admit that I never did a deep dive to determine "how" the numbers were being canceled but my final thought us "it doesn't make any difference" except for the emotional aspect you mention.
You are saying they are listing the numbers as "dead" I honestly have been been following this from both sides and this idea of making them "dead" just doesn't come up anywhere. Maybe it will later on. If they did do it, perhaps because the outdated COBOL computer system from the mid-sixties has no other way of canceling thd numbers, then I would go after the people who gamed the system in the first place to illegally give illegal aliens, hopefully future Democrat voters, valid social security numbers. Those people were in the Biden administration.
This is a new one for me. What I did hear was that (truly) illegal immigrants whom Biden refused to deport were given social security numbers so they could work. This was probably an abuse of the system because it raises the question, if a person is in the country illegally, how can they work legally? This Trump action recognizes the problem;
- @danfinn
Can you link to evidence that the above is true.
The last time I asked a poster for this, they linked to a Fox news story that quoted DOGE.
Is there any actual evidence, and can you link to it, please? - @Fred
I as an interested SSA recipient have been following this and I am simply repeating the news. It is not unbelievable; if you let people stay in the country for any reason, then it follows you must let them earn a livelihood. In the US you need a social security number to earn a livelihood (work). Generally this happens when an illegal is given a court date that may take several months in the future so they temporarily allow the illegal to work before the deportation hearing. I know this is what they do so, sorry, I see no benefit in researching the internet to find cites to prove it.
I know this is what they do so, sorry, I see no benefit in researching the internet to find cites to prove it.
- @danfinn
Whilst I agree it's the stupid sort of thing the political left tend to do, you can't expect anyone to believe it's true unless you reference to reliable sources.
Did your uni accept your word, or did they require references to show your point?
A debate is the same thing.
As a note, Fox news quoting Musk or Trump is not a reliable source.
This is a new one for me. What I did hear was that (truly) illegal immigrants whom Biden refused to deport were given social security numbers so they could work. This was probably an abuse of the system because it raises the question, if a person is in the country illegally, how can they work legally? This Trump action recognizes the problem;
- @danfinn
Can you link to evidence that the above is true.
The last time I asked a poster for this, they linked to a Fox news story that quoted DOGE.
Is there any actual evidence, and can you link to it, please? - @Fred
Ssecond comment on this: It occurs to me that ChatGPT, deepseek, grok, Gemini and Microsoft co-pilot could all answer this question very well. Try that, you should get your answer from AI when it checks recent news reports.
This is a new one for me. What I did hear was that (truly) illegal immigrants whom Biden refused to deport were given social security numbers so they could work. This was probably an abuse of the system because it raises the question, if a person is in the country illegally, how can they work legally? This Trump action recognizes the problem;
- @danfinn
Can you link to evidence that the above is true.
The last time I asked a poster for this, they linked to a Fox news story that quoted DOGE.
Is there any actual evidence, and can you link to it, please? - @Fred
Ssecond comment on this: It occurs to me that ChatGPT, deepseek, grok, Gemini and Microsoft co-pilot could all answer this question very well. Try that, you should get your answer from AI when it checks recent news reports.
- @danfinn
A refusal to back up your claims suggests you are unable to do so, thus leaving yourself open to potential accusations of lying.
An 'I say it, but you prove it' debating style is somewhat self defeating.
@mugtech
EVIDENCE PLEASE !!!
@mugtech
EVIDENCE PLEASE !!! - @FindlayMacD
New York Times and CBS both reported they heard it from 3 SSA employees.
@mugtech
EVIDENCE PLEASE !!! - @FindlayMacD
He won't.
This is mostly because there isn't any.
All we have is the word of people with political and financial reasons to lie.
This is a new one for me. What I did hear was that (truly) illegal immigrants whom Biden refused to deport were given social security numbers so they could work. This was probably an abuse of the system because it raises the question, if a person is in the country illegally, how can they work legally? This Trump action recognizes the problem;
- @danfinn
Can you link to evidence that the above is true.
The last time I asked a poster for this, they linked to a Fox news story that quoted DOGE.
Is there any actual evidence, and can you link to it, please? - @Fred
Ssecond comment on this: It occurs to me that ChatGPT, deepseek, grok, Gemini and Microsoft co-pilot could all answer this question very well. Try that, you should get your answer from AI when it checks recent news reports.
- @danfinn
A refusal to back up your claims suggests you are unable to do so, thus leaving yourself open to potential accusations of lying.
An 'I say it, but you prove it' debating style is somewhat self defeating. - @Fred
OK Fred, call me a liar but there has to be much more to life than spending one's hours scouring the internet, answering challenges of people who themselves contribute little information. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE FORUM IS ALL ABOUT. If you believe I am a liar, I don't care and if my lies bother you so much, please don't comment on my postings, especially if you lack the ability (or intellectual capacity) to verify information on your own
OK Fred, call me a liar but there has to be much more to life than spending one's hours scouring the internet, answering challenges of people who themselves contribute little information. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE FORUM IS ALL ABOUT. If you believe I am a liar, I don't care and if my lies bother you so much, please don't comment on my postings, especially if you lack the ability (or intellectual capacity) to verify information on your own - @danfinn
I am wounded.
I did not say you are a liar, just that you leave yourself open to that charge should a less charitable person than myself read your unverified claims.
As for claims, especially controversial ones, it's nothing less than good manners to show where your claims came from.
As it seems to be from Musk and Trump (both liars, one with a long criminal record), I have to question the validity in your words
OK Fred, call me a liar but there has to be much more to life than spending one's hours scouring the internet, answering challenges of people who themselves contribute little information. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE FORUM IS ALL ABOUT. If you believe I am a liar, I don't care and if my lies bother you so much, please don't comment on my postings, especially if you lack the ability (or intellectual capacity) to verify information on your own - @danfinn I am wounded.I did not say you are a liar, just that you leave yourself open to that charge should a less charitable person than myself read your unverified claims.As for claims, especially controversial ones, it's nothing less than good manners to show where your claims came from.As it seems to be from Musk and Trump (both liars, one with a long criminal record), I have to question the validity in your words - @Fred
I stated that SSA provided illegal aliens social security numbers. I stated this is common given that it is the normal process when an illegal is caught and must wait months for their deportation hearing. The reasoning is that the alien is now in process, neither legal nor illegal, waiting to see if a judge will grant asylum (they hardly ever do) and while waiting for the hearing, he/she needs to live. To prove that would be extremely difficult, trying to get into SSA internal policy records and such. So if you demand proof I say, either believe me or not, I don't care THAT much.
I do recognize that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If I stated that space aliens danced an Irish jig in the oval office while meeting with Trump, that would require extraordinary proof. That is not the case with temporary SSA numbers issued to illegals which has been commonplace, not difficult to do and actually necessary if the govt wants them to work given the Congress will not pay them to stay.
I am only stating what I know from previous news reports on the public domain to be true. Issuance of non-citizen and non-green card SSA numbers has been rather commonplace in the last few years and even more so under Biden. And if that is so hard to believe I guess you can be counted along with Trump who himself thinks it unbelievable that illegals would get the numbers. In any case, they will not in the future. Only legal aliens who did it the right way will.
I am only stating what I know from previous news reports on the public domain to be true. - @danfinn
Fox news that quotes Trump and/or Musk.
That's pretty useless.
I think we have to assume the claims about illegals, dead people, and so on claiming are utter rubbish as nobody can provide any REAL evidence to show it.
@Fred
I will also mention to you and others who demand cites for not-extraordinary assertions:
Everybody knows that a demand for a cite is a demand for a person's time to be spent on a forum which does not carry the weight of a court of law. There is no need for proof beyond a reasonable doubt, especially when non-extraordinary claims are made. If you say that thread participants will consider you a liar without your wasting time on providing proof, then count me out of that thread.
The public knows that 95% of the time when you say "give me cites" that this is a frivolous demand. The OP is guided by common sense and will not normally spend hours of his personal time just to prove a point in a forum. Everybody knows this.
So, in a way it is cheating. The person debating your claim "wins" because you did prove the cite as demanded because you thought there were better ways to spend your remaining dats as a retired expat lol.
And if every non-extraordinary claim demands a cite, then good luck finding future forum participants.
I have noted several forum participants from last year to be missing this year. I wonder if the increasing demand for "cites" is the reason. Maybe people are just declining to participate.
People should know who to trust and how to spot a liar without demanding "cites".
@mugtech
EVIDENCE PLEASE !!! - @FindlayMacD
New York Times and CBS both reported they heard it from 3 SSA employees.
- @mugtech
"they heard it from 3 SSA employees" I heard Donald Trump say he is a very stable genius but we all know that isn't true, just cos you hear something reported on any news channel doesn't make it true.
@Fred
I will also mention to you and others who demand cites for not-extraordinary assertions:
People should know who to trust and how to spot a liar without demanding "cites". - @danfinn
But it's a Trump/Musk assertion- Thus the chances of it being a lie are close to 100%.
In such a case, it can be considered to be propaganda until it can be proven.
As for spotting a liar - Yes, I can.
You are.
@mugtech
EVIDENCE PLEASE !!! - @FindlayMacD
New York Times and CBS both reported they heard it from 3 SSA employees.
- @mugtech
"they heard it from 3 SSA employees" I heard Donald Trump say he is a very stable genius but we all know that isn't true, just cos you hear something reported on any news channel doesn't make it true.
- @FindlayMacD
After all, this is "expat forum" which demands all of the high standards of proof required by a court of law, right MacD? This applies to any claim, extraordinary or not (this is not extraordinary). If the New York Times and CBS didn't do their due diligence to challenge 3 SSA employees, (how do you know they didn't?) how can you trust an expat forum participant?
Give PROOF: Beyond a reasonable doubt!
Otherwise what you say is not worth sh!t, right MacD?
@mugtech
EVIDENCE PLEASE !!! - @FindlayMacD
New York Times and CBS both reported they heard it from 3 SSA employees.
- @mugtech
"they heard it from 3 SSA employees" I heard Donald Trump say he is a very stable genius but we all know that isn't true, just cos you hear something reported on any news channel doesn't make it true.
- @FindlayMacD
The only places I can find this are on Fox and other rubbish sites.
It's a lie.
@Fred
I will also mention to you and others who demand cites for not-extraordinary assertions:
People should know who to trust and how to spot a liar without demanding "cites". - @danfinn
But it's a Trump/Musk assertion- Thus the chances of it being a lie are close to 100%.
In such a case, it can be considered to be propaganda until it can be proven.
As for spotting a liar - Yes, I can.
You are. - @Fred
I cannot fight Trump derangement syndrome here as I am not a psychologist. In your mind Trump and everyone he associates with is a liar. You are calling them liars. But Fred is a 100% truth-teller, right Fred? Like when you said you wore underwear that is 25 years old.😂
In your last sentence you also call *me* a liar. I must assume that everybody you disagree with is a liar.
Thanks, I will take your libel and slander as a compliment.
I cannot fight Trump derangement syndrome here as I am not a psychologist. In your mind Trump and everyone he associates with is a liar. You are calling them liars. But Fred is a 100% truth-teller, right Fred? Like when you said you wore underwear that is 25 years old.😂
In your last sentence you also call *me* a liar. I must assume that everybody you disagree with is a liar.
Thanks, I will take your libel and slander as a compliment.
- @danfinn
Back to insults by claims of mental illness.
That pretty much means you don't have any argument.
20 years old. Please fact check. I have a pair on at the moment. I will be happy to send you a photo.
Yes, I believe you are lying, or simply echoing Musk's lies.
Anyway, back to the thread title.
@ Sensible posters who don't lie and insult. Is there any evidence to show the site is unstable or crashing, and - if so - have any verifiable reasons been given?
All I can find on the news is crashes from 2 weeks ago, and the left wing press blaming DOGE.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … ers-online
The nearest I can find to a reliable story ( I have reservations about Bloomburg) is above.
Any claimants have issues?
@mugtech
EVIDENCE PLEASE !!! - @FindlayMacD
New York Times and CBS both reported they heard it from 3 SSA employees.
- @mugtech
"they heard it from 3 SSA employees" I heard Donald Trump say he is a very stable genius but we all know that isn't true, just cos you hear something reported on any news channel doesn't make it true.
- @FindlayMacD
Just because you heard it on a news channel does not make it false. Have not heard Trump administration deny it.
@Fred
Anyway, back to the thread title.
@ Sensible posters who don't lie and insult.
*** Is there any evidence to show the site is unstable or crashing, and - if so - have any verifiable reasons been given?***
Putting aside for a moment your liar" libel, ok, I agree to change the topic to USA SSA website crashes.
In fact, it has been my position from the beginning that the SSA site was *not*crashing, at least for me, logging in from the Philippines, therefore I cannot give you evidence of it being unstable or crashing. It is people with anti-DOGE syndrome who are claiming that Musk is crashing the site.
As I said in another post, I personally have an SSA account and have experienced zero crashes since DOGE got involved.
So, on the topic of SSA website crashes (or lack thereof), it appears we pugnaciously agree 😆
Have you lost track of your position?
Got my direct deposit SSA for the full amount on time on Wednesday.
@danfinn
3 SSA employees can make up any shit they want, it's hardly proof of anything.
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