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Questions as a third-national spouse of a Belgian National

Hanna-PK

Hi,

I have been trying my hardest to go visit my husband since it's always extremely easy for him to visit me, he just seems to get on a plane and ta-da! He's here. We got married in June this year and have been scrambling to see eachother again, he wasn't able to visit me for a while so I decided to go see him, my schengen request was refused by the authorities, I'm unsure what the reason was since I've been shaking all week and have been scared to look.

Since I've never visited a member state, I think they might think I won't return which is fine, I was planning on it but having to prove that is difficult enough even if your intentions are in the right place because of how people abuse the system from my country. So understandable of them.

After drying up my tears, I am unsure if I want to go through the daunting Family reunification process but it seems to be the only way we can be together, if our relationship has to survive this distance.

Now for the questions:

What is the criteria to get accepted? (I am already scared from having my schengen rejected)

Documents I plan to submit:

I am planning on getting my birth certificate that was issued over 6 months ago which was also stamped by the Ministry of Foreign affairs here around the same time with legalisations,

my marriage certificate (legalised)
family registration certificate (legalised)
my passport, my photographs,
proof of accomodation (his father owns an apartment where we will stay with him) only us 3 in that flat which has 2 bedrooms, a living room and a kitchen. A signed document from the father saying that we do not have to pay rent, his father will also be my sponsor for this since my husband is currently a student. So we will be attaching his tax returns. His ID and his father's id, my husband's mutuality
A travel insurance for up to 90 days from AXA or some local insurance company. Two pictures of our wedding, just us two in them.
Visa application form, passport photo copies of all pages, photocopy of national ID card.
administration fee slip

I am from Pakistan and this is what the embassy also states I need to submit.

Is this all I need for them to grant me a visa? What would be the reason I would get rejected if I submit all my documents to them? Our marriage is not registered in Belgium but it is in Pakistan only. He went to the commune and tried to register our marriage there with the original marriage certificate but they told him that I need to be in Belgium for that to happen.

Please advise, I feel super scared about getting my visa rejected and it's been quite a drain on my mental health as well since all of our plans were cancelled for Christmas over this.

Thank you.

See also

Obtaining a work permit in BelgiumHow to obtain a visa for BelgiumHow to get a working holiday visa in BelgiumVFS Istanbul D Visa Processing TimelineNeed Guidance – Family Reunification Visa Confusion (India → Belgium)L type card processing timeRejection of permanent residence in Belgium
Adeyola

Wait for Aneesh and Alex. They know these things

Adeyola

By the way is your father in-law still working and earning a salary? Is your husband a working student?

Hanna-PK

Yes, my father-in-law is employed and has a monthly salary which meets the financial requirements mentioned. My husband is a student but is not currently working since it would be too much to handle all at once.

I'm waiting and hoping for advise, thanks!

Adeyola

Ok that's good to know that your father in-law salary meets the requirement.

Meanwhile, surmon the courage to check the visa site for the reason your visa application was refused. You might find knew knowledge to help you in your future decision about re-applying.

Also, what was the length of stay indicated in the previous visa application? Because you are entitled to a visit your spouse and consequently, entitled to a visiting visa.

Aneesh

Applying for a family-visit visa while your partner is already a resident is always tricky. Authorities always see this as a shortcut to come here and not go back (a bypass to family reunion procedure). This is why such applications are scrutinized and often rejected. Did you get a rejection letter ? Usually they mention the details

Now, you are going to apply for family-reunion as I understand. As one visa rejection is already in your records, they are going to scrutinize your family reunion application more thoroughly (not to put your spirits down, but to set right expectations).

Ideally, when you want to join your partner who is a resident in Belgium, the basic things that are checked are below:
1. Validity and authenticity of your marriage (marriage certificate)
2. Your identity (birth certificate, passport, etc),  your partner's residential and civil status (his residence permit, family composition).
3. Your partner's ability to accommodate/support you because you are going to be his dependent.
    a. financially - he must have an income (his salary slips, account statements) sufficient to run a household of two members.
    b. place to live (a rental contract or a family home sufficient to accommodate the family).
    c. medical insurance (his mutuality to cover you or you subscribe to a Belgian mutuality)

In your case, from what you describe, your husband himself is dependent on his father here. So, - pure black and white - it does not sound very convincing that he has the ability to support and accommodate you here. You plan to submit his father's income proof to cover this point, but I am not very sure if that is acceptable or not. This is just my opinion, in reality the application may even go through, but it is not a straight forward case as I explained above.

Hanna-PK

Hi,

thank you for your response, I will keep this in mind.


Also have a question about the commune in Belgium and why they won't update my husband's civil status when he went to city hall with our legalized marriage certificate?
They told him that if I have a valid visa to Belgium they will do it and the Embassy here does not recognise my marriage because his civil status at his commune is still "single"

This seems very odd to me and I feel like we're just going in circles.

He lives In Leuven btw.

Adeyola

Yes, the Commune should accept the the legalised marriage certificate.

Let's keep hope alive. Cheers

Aneesh

Hanna-PK wrote:

Hi,

thank you for your response, I will keep this in mind.


Also have a question about the commune in Belgium and why they won't update my husband's civil status when he went to city hall with our legalized marriage certificate?
They told him that if I have a valid visa to Belgium they will do it and the Embassy here does not recognise my marriage because his civil status at his commune is still "single"

This seems very odd to me and I feel like we're just going in circles.

He lives In Leuven btw.


This is normal, once you are here, they can update his status.

Hanna-PK

Ok, thank you.

I was wondering about this because it just felt like a back and forth between the embassy and commune when we tried doing this.

Guess we just have to apply for Family Reunification and hope for the best.
If it doesn't work out we can just do long distance for a few years until he gets a job, worst case scenario.

Also, I heard that they do not return your original legalised documents once you apply for a Visa D, so do I have to bring a couple of birth certificates and other documents with me once I move to Belgium?

Kdeepak

Normally, If you have already submitted the original birth certificate once then later you can ask belgium regional court to provide you the certificate copy any time. And make sure if bring multiple original copies then apostille them before bringing it to Belgium.

Aneesh

It is a good idea to bring one latest copy of birth certificate and marriage certificate when you travel to Belgium.