How Is This Possible?

Musky odor descends onto Twitter.

The financial basis of Twitter is collapsing

in the Elon Musk era.

Ad sales were down 59 percent in a six-week

period in April and May.

Musk paid 44-billion USD for Twitter.

Good luck finding a buyer for the social

media platform going forward.

Source... The David Pakman Show on YouTube

How hot was it?

It was so warm in Great Britain that several

soldiers fainted during rehearsal for the king's

June 17 birthday celebration.

At least three guardsmen garbed in

woolen uniforms and bearskin hats keeled over

as temperatures headed into the high 80s F,

15 to 20 degrees warmer than normal for early June,

at a parade practice supervised by Prince William.

Video at nypost.com showed one guardsman,

having collapsed, lying motionless on the ground

as the band played on. Men with a stretcher

soon arrived on the scene, helped the prone man

to his feet and carted him away.

Source... New York Post

How hot was it?
It was so warm in Great Britain that several
soldiers fainted during rehearsal for the king's
June 17 birthday celebration.

At least three guardsmen garbed in
woolen uniforms and bearskin hats keeled over
as temperatures headed into the high 80s F,
15 to 20 degrees warmer than normal for early June,
at a parade practice supervised by Prince William.

Video at nypost.com showed one guardsman,
having collapsed, lying motionless on the ground
as the band played on. Men with a stretcher
soon arrived on the scene, helped the prone man
to his feet and carted him away.

Source... New York Post
-@cccmedia

Nothing new we had guys fainting during parades in late 70's, 80's too.

Temps were 30c in summer.

"A joy for the whole country," said

El Presidente of four children who

have survived a harrowing ordeal.

The president and the citizenry of Colombia

are hailing the discovery by soldiers of

four indigenous siblings who have been

found surviving in an Amazonian jungle

for 40 days after their plane went down.

The crash killed three adults, including

the kids' mother.

The children's ages are 11, 9, 4 and

11 months.

Source... USA Today

Life without a toaster.

The "furnished" apartment I rented for

the summer is not exactly fully furnished.

Lacking were a shower curtain, bed sheets,

a pillow and a few other things,

including a toaster.

Fortunately I just came across an article in

the Washington Post that provides some

details about the history of toast and

toasters .. and suggests how one can

toast bread without a modern-day toaster.

Item... Did you know that the first

commercially-sliced bread went on the

market in 1928?  That was  several decades

after commercially-made toasters became

available?

As for the method for toasting bread

sans toaster -- said to be crunchier and

better than with a toaster appliance --

that involves butter or oil in a skillet.

Read the article for full details.

Source... Washington Post article titled

For better toast, ditch the toaster

-- cccmedia, summering in Fargo, ND

That's fried bread rather than toasted bread. :-)

But it is tasty. And you can chuck some eggs and bacon in there while you've got the skillet hot.

That's fried bread rather than toasted bread. :-)
But it is tasty. And you can chuck some eggs and bacon in there while you've got the skillet hot.
-@gwynj

Yup. Nice if you tear a hole in the centre of the slice before putting it in the pan, and crack the egg into the hole while the bread is frying.

Yummy.

And that, sir, will be my breakfast tomorrow. Thank you for reminding me of that!

proud to be a Canadian

"Pulling his weight!

Male powerlifter protests Canada's woke gender self-ID laws by saying he's a woman, then entering female contest and smashing bench press record (which until then had been held by a trans-woman who was present at the event. Oh, the irony!)

  Video shows a bearded Avi Silverberg calmly approach the bench in men's clothing and unofficially break the women's record

  Silverberg was protesting rules by the Canadian Powerlifting Union which allow anybody who identifies as a woman to compete in the female category

  Silverberg was at the Heroes Classic Powerlifting Meet in Lethbridge in Alberta

This is the moment a male coach claims to be a woman and smashes the female bench press record at a powerlifting competition in Canada.

Silverberg then unofficially breaks the female bench press record for the 84+ kilograms women's category, which was a 270lbs press - officially set by a trans lifter."

full article here, at dailymail.co.uk

Sports museum thieves apprehended.

Police authorities have arrested nine of ten men

who are suspected of ripping off sports-themed

museums over a 20-year period, including the

Yogi Berra Museum in New Jersey and the

Roger Maris Museum in Fargo, North Dakota.

The break in the case occurred when DNA from

one of the suspects was found in blood

on a broken window at a boxing museum

in upstate New York.

The crew, all in their late 40s and early 50s and all

from Pennsylvania, allegedly stole from museums

in the period 1999 to 2019.

They made off with nine of Yogi's ten

World Series rings.  The men are believed to

have melted down precious metals from the

artefacts they stole and re-sold the metals

for millions of dolllars in the New York Clty area.

The crew allegedly stole boxing trophies

and artwork created by famous artists

inclluding Andy Warhol and Jackson Pollock.

Some of the paintings are still missing .. and

in one case it's believed a painting

was deliberately incinerated to avoid an arrest.

One suspect -- Nicholas Dombek, 53 --

remains at large and is considered

a fugitive by authorities. He was indicted

along with the captured suspects.

Source... New York Post.

-- cccmedia in Fargo

(I mean, really, how is this even possible? And how does one avoid mis-gendering or using an incorrect pronoun? I'm beginning to feel very much a fossil)

81 Types of Genders & Gender Identities (A to Z List)

By Chris Drew (PhD) / February 3, 2023 (helpfulprofessor.com)

"Below is an A to Z list of genders and words to describe gender identity." (link)

1. Acault (Myanmar)

2. AFAB

3. Agender

4. Aliagender

5. Alyha and Hwame (Mohave)

6. AMAB

7. Androgynous

8. Aporagender

9. Aravani (India)

10. Ashtime (Maale, Ethiopia)

11. Burrnesha (Albania)

12. Bakla

13. Bigender

14. Calabai, Calalai, and Bissu (Indonesia)

15. Chuckchi Ne’uchika Shamans (Siberia)

16. Cisgender

17. Cis Female

18. Cis Male

19. Demiboy

20. Demigender

21. Demigirl

22. Fa’afafine

23. Fakaleiti

24. Female

25. Femme

26. Femminiello (Italy)

27. Guevedoche (Dominican Republic)

28. Femminiello

29. FTM

30. Gender Apathetic

31. Gender Fluid

32. Gender Neutral

33. Gender Nonconforming

34. Gender Questioning

35. Gender Variant

36. Genderqueer

37. Hermaphrodite

38. Hijra (Kinnar)

39. Intergender

40. Intersex

41. Kathoey

42. Lhamana (Zuni)

43. Mahu (Hawaii)

44. Male

45. Maverique

46. Metis (Nepal)

47. MTF (Male-to-Female)

48. Muxe (Mexico)

49. Neither

50. Neutrois

51. Ninauposkitzipxpe (Blackfoot)

52. Nadleehi and Dilbaa (Navajo)

53. Non-binary

54. Novigender

55. Other

56. Paṇḍaka

57. Pangender

58. Polygender

59. Quariwarmi (Inca, Peru)

60. Sekrata (Madagascar)

61. Sistergirl and Brotherboy (Aboriginal Australian)

62. Brotherboy (Aboriginal Australia)

63. Third Gender

64. Tom and Dee Identities

65. Trans*

66. Transmasculine

67. Trans Man

68. Trans Woman

69. Transfeminine

70. Transsexual

71. Transsexual Female

72. Transsexual Male

73. Travesti

74. Trigender

75. Two-Spirit

76. Two-Spirit Female

77. Two-Spirit Male

78. Waria (Indonesia)

79. Whakawahine (New Zealand)

80. Winkte (Lakota)

81. Xanith (Oman)

"Conclusion

According to social constructivism, there are many different genders, and this is just a small sampling(gak!) of them. From a social constructivist lens, gender is fluid and increasingly considered a social construct. People’s identities can change over time."

Chris Drew (PhD)

Dr. Chris Drew is the founder of the Helpful Professor. He holds a PhD in education and has published over 20 articles in scholarly journals. He is the former editor of the Journal of Learning Development in Higher Education.

(I really feel bad for parents nowadays. You have to explain the birds & the bees. The bees & the bees. The birds & the birds. The birds that used to be bees. The bees that used to be birds.

The birds that look like bees and the bees that look like birds but who've still got their stinger)

81 Types of Genders & Gender Identities (A to Z List)
By Chris Drew (PhD) / February 3, 2023 (helpfulprofessor.com)
-@Aidan in HCMC

Does anybody really care about this? There are, with very very few exceptions, 2 sexes, male and female. Thats should suffice. If a person for whatever mental condition belives to be a pink unicorm there is no need for society to worry about using a pronoun that the "pink unicorn" would like to be used.

(I mean, really, how is this even possible? And how does one avoid mis-gendering or using an incorrect pronoun? I'm beginning to feel very much a fossil)


81 Types of Genders & Gender Identities (A to Z List)
By Chris Drew (PhD) / February 3, 2023 (helpfulprofessor.com)

"Below is an A to Z list of genders and words to describe gender identity." (link)

1 - utter crap

"Conclusion
According to social constructivism, there are many different genders, and this is just a small sampling(gak!) of them. From a social constructivist lens, gender is fluid and increasingly considered a social construct. People’s identities can change over time."

Chris Drew (PhD)
Dr. Chris Drew is the founder of the Helpful Professor. He holds a PhD in education and has published over 20 articles in scholarly journals. He is the former editor of the Journal of Learning Development in Higher Education.


(I really feel bad for parents nowadays. You have to explain the birds & the bees. The bees & the bees. The birds & the birds. The birds that used to be bees. The bees that used to be birds.
The birds that look like bees and the bees that look like birds but who've still got their stinger)
-@Aidan in HCMC

This rubbish is one of the reasons I don't want my kids anywhere near the dump we know as the UK.

As a note, the same guy is teaching standard, gender specific, pronouns on his youtube channel.

So much for gender BS politics - Lovely, but he's making a bob from ignoring that crap in his English lessons

As for PhD, I'm going with Pizza hut delivery.

81 Types of Genders & Gender Identities (A to Z List)
By Chris Drew (PhD) / February 3, 2023 (helpfulprofessor.com)
-@Aidan in HCMC
Does anybody really care about this? There are, with very very few exceptions, 2 sexes, male and female.

Ner - there are 3

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1715282/

I recall reading about this some years ago. However, it's mostly limited to one very specific group of humans, not a general thing.

I'm not a girl, I'm a cat

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … d-her.html

The Mail is known as a nasty little rag that will print any old rubbish, so I did a fact check before I posted this.

Sad as it is, the teacher went on a daft rant against actual, real, proven biology.

The video is available on the net.

As the girl claims to be a cat, pets aren't allowed in school, they only wear a collar, then eat cat food and rats.

As for which toilets - The school garden?

I give her around 10 seconds before she decides she isn't really a cat.

We're on the way ..

A famous moustache fades away.

It seems hard to believe that Geraldo Rivera,

a fixture on televsion for over half a century,

is departing the TV scene.

Born on the Fourth of July 80 years ago (1943),

the mustachioed journalist and commentator

was booted off his perch on the

Fox program The Five after the Fox

defamation verdict .. and says he is leaving Fox

and is considering retirement.

He lives in metro Cleveland these days with

his fifth wife and their kids. Retirement may

mean more time taking his boat out on

Lake Erie .. and less time butting heads with

Greg Gutfeld over women's health care rights.

cccmedia

Kevin's complaint.

Even a big-time actor such as Kevin Costner

said to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars

knows when to draw the line on

his estranged wife's plastic surgeries.

According to the litigation in the Costner

divorce case, Christine is running up huge

plastic-surgery bills and attempting to get

Kevin to pay them as part of his child support

for their three children.

"The plastic-surgery expenses of $188,500

per month belong to Christine, not the children,"

Kevin alleges in contesting Christine's attempt

to score a quarter mil a month in child support.

He says the child support should benefit

their three teenagers, not to pay for

Mama's extravagances.

News source... Pëople magaizne online

Vegas, Baby!

Las Vegas's post-covid recovery picked up

steam in the first four months of 2023.

The visitors count was up 14 percent over

the same period last year.  Gaming revenues

are up by 11 percent at Strip casinos .. and

by the same percentage Downtown for the

January to April period compared to those

months a year ago.

Guest rooms on the Vegas Strip now average

$183 per night. Downtown rooms have been

going for about half that.

--

Major sports leagues are moving ahead with

Vegas projects in the Sports Gambling Era.

All signs point to a relocation in the next few

years for the MLB Oakland A's to a new stadium in

greater Vegas. A ten-billion-dollar facility for a

potential NBA team has been proposed, a

project which would not require public funding.

Source... At YouTube, "The Craziest Stuff

Happening in Las Vegas, July 2023"

Vegas swimming-pool news.

Both of Planet Hollywood's North and

South swimming pools have re-opened

after two weeks closed to the public.

Vegas health authorities closed the pools

for numerous reasons, including

inattentiveness of lifeguards and lack of

managerial control over lifeguards.

--

The adults-only pool at the Mirage a.k.a.

Bare Pöol is transitioning to a Hard Rock

venue .. and will no longer be

topless-optional.  The pool will continue

to be for ages 21 and up .. though now

bathing suit tops will be required of

bikini-wearers.

Source.. same "Craziest Stuff/Las Vegas"

               post for July 2023 on YouTube

Legacy admissions challenge.

Days after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against

affirmative action, several Boston-area groups are

challenging Harvard University's policies favoring

the admission of students whose parents are alumni

of the famous U.  The activist groups are alleging

discrimination against minorities and others .. and

asking the Education Department to review

the Harvard policies.

It has long been known that some Ivy League

universities have given privileged status to students

applying for admission whose parents donated to

or graduated from these schools.

Source... The New York Times

A little gem to read:-]

From the UK enquiry on Covid: "a former FDA commissioner revealed that social distancing laws were and this is a quote arbitrary meanwhile a UK expert said politicians intervened to establish the concept of lockdowns so where's the science behind that?"

Along with " Chris Witty the chief medical officer for England told the covid inquiry he would have been surprised if scientists had included National shutdowns as part of the planning for a pandemic it's interesting that lockdowns were a key component of the strategy when it wasn't derived from science"

"Chris said planning for such an extraordinarily major social intervention would not have occurred unless a minister had requested it not suggested requested asked for it so Chris said that lockdowns were a leap of imagination that's not what you want in government"

Source: The Daily Telegraph

i would like to get an opportunity  what  job offer

Honestly, how is this possible?

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Harvard Scientist Who Studied Honesty, Accused Of Lying About Research

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In a surprising turn of events, a prominent Harvard behavioral "scientist", known for her research on honesty, has been accused of data fraud, New York Times reported. Professor Francesca Gino now finds herself at the centre of controversy as multiple behavioural "science" studies she co-authored are under scrutiny for falsified results. She has published 135 articles since 2007.

"... a blog called DataColada and run by three behavioral science academics published a four-part series of posts that detailed extensive evidence of the alleged fraud in four academic papers co-authored by Gino.

“We discovered evidence of fraud in papers spanning over a decade, including papers published quite recently (in 2020),” the blog authors, ESADE Business School’s Uri Simonsohn, University of California, Berkeley’s Leif Nelson, and University of Pennsylvania’s Joseph Simmons, wrote.

“In the fall of 2021, we shared our concerns with Harvard Business School. Specifically, we wrote a report about four studies for which we had accumulated the strongest evidence of fraud. We believe that many more Gino-authored papers contain fake data. Perhaps dozens,” the scholars said.

“We understand that Harvard had access to much more information than we did, including, where applicable, the original data collected using Qualtrics survey software. If the fraud was carried out by collecting real data on Qualtrics and then altering the downloaded data files, as is likely to be the case for three of these papers, then the original Qualtrics files would provide airtight evidence of fraud. (Conversely, if our concerns were misguided, then those files would provide airtight evidence that they were misguided),” they added."

source:The Guardian (Link)

Oh, the irony.

Read (lots!) more here. (Link to Google search)

Francesca Gino is currently on (paid?) administrative leave from Harvard.

(bwaaahahahaha!)

To be honest it starts from our homes before we even become teenager, you can be honest because you study honest, just like lawyers, police officers, government representative,e t.c they all need to be honest but of them are not. It doesn't surprise me!

In many jursidictions, cops are permitted to lie

to any so-called suspicious persons in order to

procure confessions or justify corrupt searches.

Whereas if the citizen lies to the cop, he or she

can be considered to have committed the crime

of lying to the police, or, in court, perjury.

cccmedia

High-wire action in South American capital.

In Quito, which is now the largest city and the

capital of Ecuador, service on the Quito Cable Car,

also known as El Teleférico, has been suspended

pending investigation of a scary incident

that happened about one week ago.

Seventy people were stranded in the high-altitutde

cable ride when it stalled out. The Cable Car

normally reaches an elevation of almost 13,000 feet.

Teams of mountain climbers were called in

and successfully used rope techniques to rescue the

stranded people and bring them to the ground.

Source... CNNE

Explaining streamer Netflix revenue gains.

Netflix has added 5.9 million subscribers

in the recent three-month period.

The company has been cracking down

on subscribers who share their

supposedly-private passwords ..

and saving money on acquiring new content

due to the Hollywood labor strikes.

Fargo avoids a mass murder scenario, saved

by what happened at a roadway crash scene.

Fargo, ND -- Police in this city took down a maniac

who had a rapid-fire long gun, other firearms

and 1,800 rounds of ammunition. The slain gunman

may have been on his way to two street fairs that

were in progress with thousands in attendance

just minutes from the accident scene.

The ambush occurred last Friday, although

police and other officials have been releasing the

details at news conferences in Fargo this week.

The gunman may have been on his way to the

crowded street fairs when he came upon a

routine vehicle accident that had at least four

uniformed police officers investigating the scene.

With his rapid-action long gun, the maniac --

identified by FPD as Mohamad Barakat, 37, of

Fargo -- began shooting from his car at the officers

and at a woman involved in the vehicle crash

who was attempting to run from the active shooter.

The shooter hit three of the policemen, killing one --

Jake Wallin, 23 -- and hit the woman too.

Officer Zach Robinson, who was not shot, gave the maniac

at least 16 orders to stand down. From 75 feet away, Robinson

got off a shot that seemed to disable the long gun ..

whereupon the shooter picked up another firearm to

continue his rampage.

Finally, Officer Robinson fired a shot that

took down the assailant, killing him. Barakat

never got the chance to move toward the

street fairs to potentially shoot dozens or

hundreds of fair-goers at their crowded events.

Karlee Koswick, the woman who was struck by

a bullet, had recently moved to Fargo from the

Boston area .. before being involved in the

vehicle accident and, minutes later, becoming

the target of a maniac. Ms. Koswick remains

hospitalized with a gunshot wound.

North Dakota's attorney general, Drew Wrigley,

announced at a news conference yesterday

that Officer Robinson's shooting of the suspect

was justified .. and may have prevented further

carnage had Barakat proceeded with his plans.

cccmedia in Fargo

News source ... inforum.com

Fargo avoids a mass murder scenario, saved
by what happened at a roadway crash scene.
Fargo, ND -- Police in this city took down a
maniac with a rapid-fire long gun, other firearms
and 1800 rounds of ammunition. The slain gunman
may have been on his way to two street fairs that
were in progress with thousands in attendance
just minutes from the accident scene.

These events occurred last week, although
police and city officials have been releasing the
details at news conferences in Fargo this week.

The gunman may have been on his way to the
crowded street fairs when he came upon a
routine vehicle accident that had at least four
uniformed police officers investigating the scene.

With his rapid-action long gun, the maniac
began shooting at the officers and at a woman
involved in the vehicle crash who was attempting
to run from the active shooter.

The shooter hit three of the policemen, killing one,
and hit the woman too. Officer Robinson, who was
not shot, gave the maniac at least 16 orders to
stand down. From 75 feet way, Robinson
got off a shot that disabled the long gun .. and
the shooter picked up another firearm to
continue his rampage.

Finally, Officer Robinson fired a shot that
took down the assailant, killing him. The man
never got the chance to move toward the
street fairs and potentially shoot dozens or
hundreds of fair-goers at their crowded events.

cccmedia in Fargo
-@cccmedia

Just another day in 'Murica, I don't think a day goes by anymore without a mass shooting.

Just another day in 'Murica, I don't think a day goes by anymore without a mass shooting.
-@romaniac

@romaniac You're selling them short

"There have been more mass shootings than days in 2023, database shows"

How is this possible, indeed.

Delta's Vegas fiasco.

Flight DL 555, Las Vegas to Atlanta, never got

off the ground. Delta Air Lines apparently violated

some of the U.S. Department of Transportation

guidelines governing tarmac situations.

The flight sat on the tarmac for several hours

on Monday of this week with passengers stuck

in the cabin area without air conditioning on

a day with Vegas outdoors temperatures exceeding

110 degrees Fahrenheit.

Several passengers in distress were evacuated

from the plane. The flight was eventually canceled.

The Department of Transportation has been

investigating how this could happen.

Source... The New York Times

A fine time to leave me.

Yuscil Tavares, until recently an obscure

surveillance operative, is in the news

for his refusal to do what "the boss" wanted,

namely the deleting of subpoena'd

surveillance tapes in Florida.

The fact that Yuscil's first name (yoo-SEEL)

rhymes perfectly with the title of

the Kenny Rogers 1977 international

hit song Lucille has veteran observers

referring to the song and its signature refrain.

Is a re-write possible?

You picked a fine time to leave me, Yuscil.

Four hungry children and a crop in the field.

You picked a fine time to leave me, Yuscil.

X marked the musky spot.

Elon Musk, who is in the process of

changing Twitter's name to X, has likened

the host city where his social-media company

is headquartered, San Francisco, to a

"derelict zombie apocalypse."

Likewise, the city's building inspectors and

many of its residents are not crazy about Musk

or the company formerly known as Twitter.

The company blocked building inspectors

from getting to an enormous X-logo structure

that had been erected by the company

atop its high-rise headquarters building.

Eventually, on Monday, the X came down.

It still needs to be permitted by the city's

housing inspectors.

Dozens of San Francisco residents had

complained about the giant X and temporary

strobe lights on the building that were

so bright that people were having

a hard time sleeping.

Musk is fascinated by the letter X and one of

his children is called X. The boy's full name

is a collection of symbols and letters.

Source... The Washington Post and

          other news outlets

𝐎𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐨 𝐰𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐬𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐝’𝐬 𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐬

𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐛𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐮𝐧𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝

(snippets. Link to full article here)

SUDBURY, Ontario (LifeSiteNews) — Canadian health officials asked an Ontario woman to donate organs of her husband who died after being denied an organ transplant because he did not receive the COVID-19 shots.

“They call you while you’re sitting next to your dying loved one and they ask you if they can have his organs,” Megan (Harper) told independent journalist Monique Leal.

Healthcare professionals contact TGLN if they believe a dying patient would be a suitable donation candidate. As Garnet spent his last moments on earth, Meghan was advised by nurses to expect a call from TGLN. 

“Meanwhile, he wasn’t good enough to receive organs from them… I can’t describe the feeling,” she continued. “It makes me sick to my stomach.”

How, indeed, is this possible?

Burgum's basketball blunder.

Last night in Milwaukee, Wis., on the eve of

the first GOP debate, North Dakota governor

Doug Burgum decided to play a game of

pickup basketball with his staff.

Burgum was injured in the game and the

presidential candidate is now on crutches

with a torn Achilles tendon, per CNN, and

could miss participating in the big debate.

Hours before the debate, Burgum was in the

scheduled walk-through to determine if he will

be able to make it through the actual debate

standing behind a podium on crutches

for two hours.

Burgum, from rural North Dakota, is a wealthy

retired president of Great Plains Software.

He turned 67 years old on August 1st.

cccmedia in Fargo, ND

He won't be missed.

@Aidan in HCMC He died of bad Canadian politics

British Court Rules That Competent & Conscious Patient

Can Be Denied Life-Sustaining Treatment Against Her Will

(snippets from article)

"British doctors are seeking to take a 19-year-old critically ill female patient off the intensive care despite her objections and those of her parents. Unlike most such cases, the woman known only as “ST” is conscious and communicative. Yet, the doctors argue that she is not being realistic about her chances of survival from a rare disorder. Now a British court has agreed and ordered that she can be placed on end-of-life care against her will."

"She wants to be allowed to travel to Canada for an experimental treatment but the doctors oppose the plan and say that she is not accepting the realities of her terminal illness. They say that she is “actively dying” without any hope of resuming life outside of intensive care."

"What is so remarkable about this case is that it is not an infant or a comatose patient. The court found that ST “is able to communicate reasonably well with her doctors with assistance from her mother and, on occasion, speech therapists.” Moreover, two psychiatrists testified that she is mentally competent to make decisions about her own care."

Link to full article at jonathanturley.org, here

How, indeed, is this possible!

Moreover, why do we tolerate such hubris from the medical establishment and courts?

British Court Rules That Competent & Conscious Patient Can Be Denied Life-Sustaining Treatment Against Her Will(snippets from article)"British doctors are seeking to take a 19-year-old critically ill female patient off the intensive care despite her objections and those of her parents. Unlike most such cases, the woman known only as “ST” is conscious and communicative. Yet, the doctors argue that she is not being realistic about her chances of survival from a rare disorder. Now a British court has agreed and ordered that she can be placed on end-of-life care against her will.""She wants to be allowed to travel to Canada for an experimental treatment but the doctors oppose the plan and say that she is not accepting the realities of her terminal illness. They say that she is “actively dying” without any hope of resuming life outside of intensive care.""What is so remarkable about this case is that it is not an infant or a comatose patient. The court found that ST “is able to communicate reasonably well with her doctors with assistance from her mother and, on occasion, speech therapists.” Moreover, two psychiatrists testified that she is mentally competent to make decisions about her own care."Link to full article at jonathanturley.org, hereHow, indeed, is this possible! Moreover, why do we tolerate such hubris from the medical establishment and courts? -@Aidan in HCMCThis whole discussion implies that some believe that every patient is entitled to any treatment, independent of the medical results and the cost incurred to society. However, is that actually so? It appears that UK courts and medical establishment doesn't see this entitlement.Maybe every society should make transparent decisions about which illnesses are treated, and which are not. This is especially interesting for nations that have a relatively limited medical budget. Is such a nation willing to pay e.g. $1,000,000 for the treatment of one person?

This whole discussion implies that some believe that every patient is entitled to any treatment, independent of the medical results and the cost incurred to society.

Nowhere in the submissions were costs even discussed. To suggest that the courts decision was based on a cost/benefit analyses indicates to me that you did not have the opportunity yet to read the case notes, here A NHS Trust v ST & Ors.(Link)

However, is that actually so? It appears that UK courts and medical establishment doesn't see this entitlement.

For all we know, ST is a self-payer. Again, no mention of costs/strain on the system/backlog of people needing care.

Maybe every society should make transparent decisions about which illnesses are treated, and which are not.

Apparently ST's condition is covered (as are all conditions in single-payer health care systems) as she had received prior treatment(s).

This is especially interesting for nations that have a relatively limited medical budget.

Like...England?

Is such a nation willing to pay e.g. $1,000,000 for the treatment of one person?
-@TGCampo

IMVHO, better to spend $1million in an attempt to save a person who, through no fault of their own , is suffering from a debilitating condition, than to pay one dollar on each of a million people who are suffering under a self inflicted condition (e.g. obesity).

Reading the case notes was an eye opener.

@Aidan in HCMC I wrote results and costs. It appears that court and medical professionals were considering results. I took the liberty to add costs (how dare I?)

I would prefer spending $1on a million children to get e.g. a polio vaccination instead of spending $1,000,000 on a single individual, provided that I would have to make a decision in this matter.