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13a Permanent visa to citizenship

Last activity 21 August 2023 by Morgacj2004

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Greyrock74

I’m thinking of getting married to a Filipino woman. I work out in the UAE teaching and only spend time in the Philippines three times each year visiting her. I know the first step is to sort out documents and get married. I think then I can apply for 13a Permanent visa as a married man. However, my question is, will I be able to change the 13a Permanent visa in the future from 13a Permanent visa to a full citizenship? considering I visit only three times a year. This gives us the opportunity to buy a property in the Philippines and eventually retire there. I’m worried about the revoking of the visa if spouse dies. So, wonder if it’s possible to go from 13a temp visa to 13a Permanent visa to Citizenship? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

mugteck

                To become a citizen, one must be a resident of the Philippines for at least 10 years, be able to speak either English or Tagalog or Spanish, invest 5 000 pesos in property of have a functioning business in the Philippines.   A foreigner cannot become a dual citizen,  but must renounce his citizenship from initial country.

mikenmanila

@mugteck your post is partially correct.  If he comes from a country that has reciprocating naturalization laws, allowing citizenship such as the USA, he can become a citizenship without renouncing his citizenship!

Robertcounselor

@mugteck


To become a citizen,


one must be a resident of the Philippines for at least 10 years,   ....Doable


Be able to speak either English or Tagalog or Spanish,     .... English = all set


invest 5 000 pesos in property of have a functioning business in the Philippines.  ....  Easy enough

renounce his citizenship from initial country. ..... Not a chance!

mikenmanila

Here is the proper method for citizenship in the Philippines! 


https://lawyerphilippines.org/philippin … need-know/

GiampietroFI

@Greyrock74 naturalized citizens CAN NOT OWN LAND

philipperv

@mikenmanila Please cite your source(s) for that information please.

philipperv

@Greyrock74 naturalized citizens CAN NOT OWN LAND
-@GiampietroFI

100% not true. All Philippine citizens, natural born or naturalized, can own as much land as they want.

bigpearl

Not that it affects me but being married from my readings reduces your residency in the Philippines from 10 years to 5 years as long as you meet all the criteria.


@ philipperv


Not 100% correct, My understanding is that returning Filipinos that hold/held a foreign passport and wish to retire/return here and resume their citizenship are limited to purchase 1,000M2 of residential land and or 1 hectare of rural land and to hazard a guess could be similar for naturalized migrants, never looked into that.

Wish Australia had similar laws.


OMO.


Cheers, Steve.

philipperv

Not that it affects me but being married from my readings reduces your residency in the Philippines from 10 years to 5 years as long as you meet all the criteria.
@ philipperv

Not 100% correct, My understanding is that returning Filipinos that hold/held a foreign passport and wish to retire/return here and resume their citizenship are limited to purchase 1,000M2 of residential land and or 1 hectare of rural land and to hazard a guess could be similar for naturalized migrants, never looked into that.
Wish Australia had similar laws.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.
-@bigpearl


Steve, they don't really make their laws clear. The rule you have quoted only applies to Filipinos that have renounced their citizenship and are no longer Filipino citizens but were born in the Philippines to Filipino parents. Republic Act 9225, otherwise known as the Citizenship Retention and Re-acquisition Act of 2003, allows Filipinos who become citizens of another country to retain their Philippine citizenship and they then can legally hold 2 passports and enjoy the ability to own unlimited land.

bigpearl

Not my readings or take on laws here but sure as you said nothing here is ever black and white whether legalities  or dealing with businesses, people even.

Perhaps another astute member can clarify the law/s (lol, their understanding) with regards to this issue, as said not my understanding of the said laws here regarding property ownership in this situation.


Cheers, Steve.

Okieboy

Unless you can hold dual citizenship, you would never want to be a filipino citizen, the Philippines along with N Korea, and Cuba do not let there citizens travel freely, a filipino must go thru an interview if they are leaving the country, it is up to the person doing the interview if you can leave or not,at one time more than 1200 Filipinos were off loaded every day in Manila,my wife has left many times to the EU and had no problem, she is married to an American, I guess they figure she will come back

mikenmanila

@philipperv google it

Moon Dog

@Okieboy That is a very good point. The last thing I would want to do is become a Philippine citizen.


You can probably add India to the list. I worked with a guy from India in Houston that told me about his visa experience. First he needed to show a certain amount of money in a bank account and that was accomplished by temporary loans from friends and relatives. Next there was the interviews. The first two were denied without reason but the 3rd time was the charm, the guy just felt like approving the visa since nothing had changed in the process.

Enzyte Bob

Moon Dog said . . . Next there was the interviews. The first two were denied without reason but the 3rd time was the charm, the guy just felt like approving the visa since nothing had changed in the process. ***************************


I believe one thing did change. He stop eating Curry 30 days prior to the third interview.

Morgacj2004

@Greyrock74    I am a U.S. citizen married for 18 years to a dual citizen.  My wife was born in PI, is a US citizen and now is a dual citizen as is my daughter. We own a home in Argao and property in Dumaguete. She can own unlimited land.  I am applying for the 13 A. Visa with the help of a verified / certified agency.  I am doing so from US and the process is easy.  My wife travels back and forth to US regularly was never hassled or questioned by immigration in either country.  The US and PI have a reciprocal agreement. I can eventually become a Filipino citizen without having to renounce my US citizenship.

Morgacj2004

@philipperv correct!

Morgacj2004

@GiampietroFI not correct.  My source is “recent personal experience “

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