2024 Honda Forza - out of stock?

https://www.astra-honda.com/product/forza

Regardless of anything - If they can't supply from stock, don't order.

You can pretty much guarantee that will be a pain regardless of who the company is.

I used to love my Hondas, but Yamaha have, in my most humble of opinions, beaten them by a mile in design and more.

    Local dealer claims that the Honda Forza 250 is “out of stock” at all outlets in Indonesia, and wants ”pre-order” with 8-12 month delay.
Anyone know what’s going on with that? Honda really has no competition for the X-Max ?
   

    -@Mysticbyiq

The answer is because the price is too high for the 250cc class.  Far from being compared to other brands, including X-Max.  Only people who are Honda addicts and have money will order it.  This is the same when the Honda Voltus is offered.  Nobody wants to buy it.  For the 250 cc class, people still choose the Kasazaki Ninja with prices that are still affordable compared to automatic motorbikes.  Or now people have started to look at made in China like SM Sport.  Or Benelli.  There is only 1 risk, the lack of spare part availability.  Even for Forza Second, people are still thinking about buying it.

This is something unique, why do people choose Benelli?  because the spare parts can be used after market Honda & Yamaha.  😁

A glaring issue with the bike is the engine capacity. 250 is generally too big for Indonesian roads when you consider the general states of the roads and poor training drivers/riders have.

Speed is very dangerous.

I can see the advantage of the larger engine if you intend to use it for longer distances like road trips, but that's about it.

@Ryan_chaniago

I hear your economic theory -- rings true.    So, is the Forza an import, with import fees part of the price?    Not made by Honda-Astra partnership in Indonesia?

In Thailand, I have both ADV-160 and ADV-350 (basically a Forza with different trim and more capable suspension off-paved roads).   The ADV-160 is similarly priced in Indonesia and Thailand, however, the Forza-250 in Indonesia is 20% higher priced than the Forza-350 in Thailand.

Still seems strange that Honda would allow inventory to dip to zero for 9 months of the year ... sure way to kill sales and interest in a product.

@Fred it is not just about the engine size of 250cc ... I am a big person -- 125kg ... and the suspension needs to be able to comfortably ride on Bali roads (which are pretty rough everywhere except bigger villages).     The 250cc helps with going uphill and also with ability to pass quickly when the road conditions permit.

I have a 350cc ADV in Thailand, and it is a night/day difference over the 160cc range of bikes such as PCX/Vario/smaller-ADV -- for comfort and safety both, not for speed.

    @Ryan_chaniago
I hear your economic theory -- rings true.    So, is the Forza an import, with import fees part of the price?    Not made by Honda-Astra partnership in Indonesia?

In Thailand, I have both ADV-160 and ADV-350 (basically a Forza with different trim and more capable suspension off-paved roads).   The ADV-160 is similarly priced in Indonesia and Thailand, however, the Forza-250 in Indonesia is 20% higher priced than the Forza-350 in Thailand.

Still seems strange that Honda would allow inventory to dip to zero for 9 months of the year ... sure way to kill sales and interest in a product.
   

    -@Mysticbyiq

That's right, the Honda Forza is not made or assembled in a local factory.  That's why the price is more expensive.  Currently the new price is more than 90 million.  I saw it at Honda Cengkareng, Jakarta.  That doesn't include other costs.  while the XMax's current price is 66 million.  The difference is approximately 30 million.

Honda is too confident in Indonesia, even though their motorbikes are more expensive than other brands.  Their sales are still high, for example currently many people are buying Honda Vario & Honda Stylo.  Even though the machine is the same.  Just different models.  haha... Actually, many Indonesians are also annoyed, because Honda motorbikes don't seem to want to compete seriously for motorbikes above 250 cc.

Actually, regarding motorbike speed, I think Indonesia is only suitable for motorbikes with a maximum size of 400 cc.  If you live in a big city, an automatic motorbike is a good choice.  Because traffic jams everywhere will make you tired of using a clutch motorbike.  But it's different if your journey is quite far.  Clutch motorbikes are better for touring or long journeys.  However, for Indonesians, that is not the only consideration when choosing a motorbike.  But they also choose motorbikes that use gasoline that is much more fuel efficient.  Because perhaps we all know that fuel prices continue to rise, even the cheapest prices are gradually being eliminated.

So for the automatic class, the Honda PCX 160 or Honda Adv 160 is included in the luxury category.  For the middle class there is the Honda Vario 160 and Honda Stylo 160. The rest are lower class.  Characterized by different types of frames and suspensions.

If you are not comfortable, you can replace the shockbreaker.  You also need to add mattress foam to the seat, because the foam from the default seat is actually a little less comfortable.  Or another option is to buy a Piaggio (Vespa).  Because almost all the seats on their motorbikes use springs.  Like a car seat.  But of course the price is more expensive than a Honda motorbike. 😁

    @Fred it is not just about the engine size of 250cc ... I am a big person -- 125kg ... and the suspension needs to be able to comfortably ride on Bali roads (which are pretty rough everywhere except bigger villages).     The 250cc helps with going uphill and also with ability to pass quickly when the road conditions permit.
I have a 350cc ADV in Thailand, and it is a night/day difference over the 160cc range of bikes such as PCX/Vario/smaller-ADV -- for comfort and safety both, not for speed.
   

    -@Mysticbyiq

I agree, because actually the engine capacity is not just for speeding.  Because if you come home at night from Jakarta to Depok.  Sometimes you will meet young people racing wildly.  They don't race using motorbikes with high cc, but mostly under 250cc.  They really disturbed my journey back home.  Back to the topic, the environmental situation in Indonesia has many hills and valleys.  Once every week I have to go to Bogor to visit my son and my wife.  Currently I use a Honda Beat Street 109 cc.  If you drive alone in urban areas, you will feel very light.  Because my motorbike is small, it is easy to get through traffic jams.  But when I go with my family, my motor will be very less energetic.  Moreover, you have to go through inclines or assisted roads.  Sometimes going by car is much better.  But if you encounter traffic jams, using a motorbike is best.  However, in my opinion, using a motorbike is only suitable for traveling alone.  250 cc is a motorbike that is good enough for traversing hills and valleys. 😁