Becoming an ADAC member

Sorry,but several details of your story above do not sound correct. This might be due to you not knowing the rules and regulations here, so I will try to explain:

1. A visitor (you said "holiday") can only stay 90 days in the Schengen zone. If you stay longer, you must have some kind of residence visa. (Which one?)
2. Your daughter must be a resident, too. For non-EU-citizens, there is no legal way to work without being a resident AND having the required work visa.
3. Residents must (and visitors cannot) register at the address they actually live in. If you move out (for more than 3 or 6 months, I forgot which one), you must de-register (regadless of property ownership).
4. Ownership of a property does not give you a visa or legal residence in Germany. But once you get a residence visa on other grounds, you can of course live (and register) at that address.
5. TÜV and insurance are compulsory for all cars registered in Germany. So if you legally own one, of course you can get TÜV and insurance. But I doubt that registering a car is possible without registered address (and thus being a resident) in Germany.
6. Insurers have their individual rules and regulations - you must read (understand) the fineprint and choose a tariff that suits your needs! Many have restrictions on who can drive the car. If you want to be open for any potential driver, you should choose a tariff that allows it (and pay more for the privilege).
7. ADAC (a private association) membership is voluntary.  They don't have to, but usually do accept as members all car owners who reside in Germany.. But if they really deny your application, you can try one of the other automobile associations!

Gday Beppi, thanks very much for your reply.

1. Yes we know about the 90 days. My wife and had an interview at the German embassy in Sydney and explained everything totally. The response was "ok, just fly to UK on the 89th day and come back for another 90 days"  (we are UK citizens as well) and then the 180 day rule does not concern us since we will fly back to Australia before that.
2. Thank you for the car insurance info. I will talk to a broker.
3. My daughter has what is called an Opportunity visa. She has been undertaking interviews for a jobs based Berlin.

          She has two degrees, speaks German absolutely fluently(C2) was educated for some years at Leipzig             

          International School when younger.

So next I ask, when she gets a job as she can under her visa, when does she become a resident? The day she rocks up to work?. Or the day she notifies the authorities that she is living at a certain address, or when?

         Can you give me the names of some other car roadside service companies please? I assume that it is the CAR that becomes a member of the ADAC? Ie if my daughter is a member of the ADAC because she is resident, and someone else is driving the car and it breaks down the ADAC will still attend the problem?

So the solution to me, is that my daughter CAN buy a car, and we just need to find the insurance cover that we want, Correct?? 

Your info much appreciated!

Thank you.

Gday Beppi, thanks very much for your reply.

Yes we know about the 90 days. My wife and had an interview at the German embassy in Sydney and explained everything totally. The response was "ok, just fly to UK on the 89th day and come back for another 90 days" (we are UK citizens as well) and then the 180 day rule does not concern us since we will fly back to Australia before that.
Thank you for the car insurance info. I will talk to a broker.
My daughter has what is called an Opportunity visa. She has been undertaking interviews for a jobs based Berlin.

     She has two degrees, speaks German absolutely fluently(C2) was educated for some years at Leipzig     
     International School when younger.

So next I ask, when she gets a job as she can under her visa, when does she become a resident? The day she rocks up to work?. Or the day she notifies the authorities that she is living at a certain address, or when?

    Can you give me the names of some other car roadside service companies please? I assume that it is the CAR that becomes a member of the ADAC? Ie if my daughter is a member of the ADAC because she is resident, and someone else is driving the car and it breaks down the ADAC will still attend the problem?

So the solution to me, is that my daughter CAN buy a car, and we just need to find the insurance cover that we want, Correct??

Your info much appreciated!

Thank you. - @resanders

I'm sorry but you have been given the wrong information. Leaving Germany for 1 day doesn't reset the clock.

Your 90 days start from when your passport is stamped upon entry at customs. When these 90 days are up, you will need to exit the EU-Schengen zone for 90 days before the 90 days is reset (also known as the 90/180-day rule). If you plan on staying for more than 90 days you must apply for a visa.

The 90 day rule is aleady mentioned by SimCity above.

(If you find a legal way around this, let me know - I am interested!)

As I wrote, your daughter is already resident, by having a more-than-90-days visa - and she has (as you wrote) also registered her residential address. In case you mean the "residence permit" (a paper that certifies it): This can take many months to get, ask at the local Ausländeramt!

I assume an "opportunity visa" is some kind of job seracher visa. It has to be converted to work permit before she can start any job. She should inquire at the relevant authorities (probably Ausländeramt and Arbeitsamt) how to do that and how long it will take - it can be weeks or months!

Sorry, I don't know any "roadside service companies". The ADAC is also not one, but a private association ("Verein") for car owners. There are alternatives, see https://www.tarif-testsieger.de/kfz-ver … ive-adac/. (Why don't you google it yourself? Or your daughter, if German is needed?)

And: Only people can join associations, cars cannot!

@SimCityAT

Gday Simcity,

I am absolutely correct for Germany not the Schengen area as a whole, I checked again with the embassy yesterday. There is an agreement between Germany and Australia that we are allowed to do just what I said. The embassy is hardly likely to give me the wrong info. But the agreement is between Australia and Germany uniquely and that means I have to fly directly into Germany and not leave Germany to other Schengen areas during this second 90 days. Suits me fine.

My daughters "Chancenkarte" visa makes her a resident and she CAN join the ADAC and that relieves me of some worry wrt her driving and coping with car breakdown.

Ron

I initially assumed there must have been a misunderstanding but found the exception mentioned by resander.

https://australien.diplo.de/au-en/servi … #content_2

"The German-Australian Agreement on the Exemption of Visa Requirements, dated 22.12.1952

The German-Australian Agreement on the Exemption of Visa Requirements, dated 22.12.1952, allows Australian citizens to travel to Germany and to stay in Germany for up to 90 days without having to apply for a visa, as long as their passport is valid for the entire duration of the stay and as long as they do not engage in any kind of employment in Germany.

According to this agreement the duration of one stay in Germany must not exceed 90 days but the number of entries to Germany is not limited. In order to re-enter Germany for another 90 days visitors have to depart Germany for any other country outside the Schengen States (e.g. the UK) and can come back even the same day.

Since visitors need to be able to document the period of time they have been spending in Germany we recommend to enter and to depart via a German airport in order to obtain an official entry and departure stamp in their passport.

Germany is part of the Schengen States, so your first 90 days count – no matter where in the Schengen Area you spent them. You have to leave the Schengen States after 90 days and then you can go back only to Germany for the next 90 days. If you want to visit other Schengen States during this time you have to check if these states also have a bilateral agreement with Australia.

This means:

You can spend your first 90 days anywhere in the Schengen States and enter and leave the different states as often as you like.

On day 90 the latest you have to leave the Schengen States (you could go to the UK for example).

You have to make sure that you have the stamps from the border police in your passport to be able to proof that you have left the Schengen Area.

Afterwards you are allowed to go back to Germany for the 90 days, but only to Germany.

If you want to visit other Schengen States please check before travelling if these States have also a bilateral agreement with Australia."