Is this salary is fare enough?

Up to you really, you should know your own value, if this is an improvement on your present salary then take it, if not then tell them to shove it. It's kinda low, USD1270.

Flasher >> yeah it was a little bit low but if they are going to give a free housing plus transfortation allowance maybe its good enough though.If not ill stay here in the desert of Saudi Arabia. But may I ask you do you have any rough Idea about the salary of Technical people in Libya? just make a guess dude.

400LYD for a house? You might get a tent for that. Double that before you get anything even half decent, triple it before you get anything of Western standard. I think 1600LYD is a local salary for someone with no experience. You obviously are experienced and you're not a local. Don't sell yourself short.

Mudman thank's for the info this Riech people is clever

Mudman wrote:

400LYD for a house? You might get a tent for that. Double that before you get anything even half decent, triple it before you get anything of Western standard. I think 1600LYD is a local salary for someone with no experience. You obviously are experienced and you're not a local. Don't sell yourself short.

He said for a flat, not a house.  You can find a flat for 400 LYD, but it's not going to be very nice.

gabacho wrote:

He said for a flat, not a house.

Sorry, I was using the word 'house' as in 'abode', 'domicile','a place of dwelling or habitation','residence', 'a homestead', or indeed 'a roof over one's head'.

Mudman wrote:

gabacho wrote:

He said for a flat, not a house.

Sorry, I was using the word 'house' as in 'abode', 'domicile','a place of dwelling or habitation','residence', 'a homestead', or indeed 'a roof over one's head'.

Don't worry about it mate, this is from the same guy that thinks that robberies go up in the UK around Christmas time because us Brits need the money to spend on presents . Now I might add that I worked for 10 years for a UK police force, robberies are generally done to fund a drug users habit, or on occasion to steal a very valuable item.

Back to the OP, Sandman once made a comment about cold water and fast wrist movement, I think he would say the same for this offer. 1600LYD per month is about what my guys get paid as network engineers. As for 400LYD per month for a residence, forget it, you might get a room in a shared apartment for that.

I know that there are some guys from Asia work for less than that. much less than that. in Mellitha for example the Thai + Bangladeshi work for about $300 to $400 a month the accommodation is so disgusting - they lack the simple living necessities.

They only 45-days vacation every two years.

Samakauk wrote:

I know that there are some guys from Asia work for less than that. much less than that. in Mellitha for example the Thai + Bangladeshi work for about $300 to $400 a month the accommodation is so disgusting - they lack the simple living necessities.

They only 45-days vacation every two years.

This is my first ex-pat job, although I did work for 2 weeks in Dubai. I am still struggling to understand how company's can get away with this. In the UK your salary generally goes by how experienced you are and what job you are doing, not by the colour of your skin. As an aside, I must stop moaning about how little I am paid, all I have to do is look at how poorly paid some other people are.

Clansman wrote:

Samakauk wrote:

I know that there are some guys from Asia work for less than that. much less than that. in Mellitha for example the Thai + Bangladeshi work for about $300 to $400 a month the accommodation is so disgusting - they lack the simple living necessities.

They only 45-days vacation every two years.

This is my first ex-pat job, although I did work for 2 weeks in Dubai. I am still struggling to understand how company's can get away with this. In the UK your salary generally goes by how experienced you are and what job you are doing, not by the colour of your skin. As an aside, I must stop moaning about how little I am paid, all I have to do is look at how poorly paid some other people are.

It is very bad - It is unfair - they treat them like trash - they even do not provide them with a decent office to sit in when they are not working. believe me it is heart-breaking to see this - I talked to one of the Italian guys who is responsible for these people and told him about the European requirements like what "ILO" requires or the UK HSE, like providing a good working environment and the employer must provide a welfare facilities.

I have been in the UK myself and I know the national minimum wage. And employers must comply to the national minimum wage.

I really feel sorry for those people being discriminated and ill-treated

Samakauk  your definitely right, but the question is "how we can stop discriminating the other race?

Most unfortunately this is also the case in the whole Middle East countries! I don't really know if their mentaLities will ever change!

Is this 1600LYD (USD 1270) salary for expat was tax exempted or not? just want to know more about labor policy in Libya specially for EXPAT.

FeeAcer   I know some few, like some arabs went to western country for study, but the rest of them is mentally sick.

U say u were working in saudi? means u not working at present...
400 dinar house will be somewhere right out of city...then what of travelling expenses?
Food and other stuff r very high compared to saudi becareful
.
and come with a contract if you have to, I think being a german company they should do more justice to your saLary
.
if it is some local company please dont kill yourself....they DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TREAT LABOUR, especially asian labour as they have learnt the stinking way the other arabic countries have followed in the past years...
Perhaps they choose not to grow beyond such mind sets!

Goldilocks wrote:

U say u were working in saudi? means u not working at present...
400 dinar house will be somewhere right out of city...then what of travelling expenses?
Food and other stuff r very high compared to saudi becareful
.
and come with a contract if you have to, I think being a german company they should do more justice to your saLary
.
if it is some local company please dont kill yourself....they DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TREAT LABOUR, especially asian labour as they have learnt the stinking way the other arabic countries have followed in the past years...
Perhaps they choose not to grow beyond such mind sets!

I am really sorry to hear what you are saying, I am Arab, I do respect people - we are all human, I do have Asian & European friends. we can not generalise - there are good and bad people everywhere.

I talked earlier and that was an International Co. and it is European

blaster4577 wrote:

Is this 1600LYD (USD 1270) salary for expat was tax exempted or not? just want to know more about labor policy in Libya specially for EXPAT.

Tax free here my friend. I have posted on another thread, but will post this again. Between my wife and I, we spend about 1000USD per month, that is for food, drink (none alchoholic obviously)taxis etc. We eat out about twice a week, which can actually be cheaper than buying meat and veg and cooking yourself, depending on where you eat, for example 2 large pizzas for about 10LYD, or two Shawarmas for 2LYD. Fruit and veg are cheap in relation to UK prices, bread is almost free, but meat and chicken are about the same price as back home.

Think long and hard about what you are coming to Libya for. We did it for two reasons mainly, firstly we were fed up of the taxes and prices back home, and wanted to experience something different (which Libya certainly is)and secondly to save money.

Good luck.

Clansman wrote:

blaster4577 wrote:

Is this 1600LYD (USD 1270) salary for expat was tax exempted or not? just want to know more about labor policy in Libya specially for EXPAT.

Tax free here my friend. I have posted on another thread, but will post this again. Between my wife and I, we spend about 1000USD per month, that is for food, drink (none alchoholic obviously)taxis etc. We eat out about twice a week, which can actually be cheaper than buying meat and veg and cooking yourself, depending on where you eat, for example 2 large pizzas for about 10LYD, or two Shawarmas for 2LYD. Fruit and veg are cheap in relation to UK prices, bread is almost free, but meat and chicken are about the same price as back home.

Think long and hard about what you are coming to Libya for. We did it for two reasons mainly, firstly we were fed up of the taxes and prices back home, and wanted to experience something different (which Libya certainly is)and secondly to save money.

Good luck.

very right,,, me on my own I spend nearly $900 a month... check what u will be saving first,,, if this is the reason u r staying away from home and family

For fourteen years experience they are not offering you much, especially given they will only pay 400 towards rent.  Negotiate a better deal for yourself.  Don't forget to include a ticket home each year.  Prices are going up all the time, so it is not as cheap as it once was.  Make sure that the company is paying the tax because some workers are being charged the tax on exit.  Get everything in writing or else it does not count.  Good luck in your negotiations!

bluejay wrote:

For fourteen years experience they are not offering you much, especially given they will only pay 400 towards rent.  Negotiate a better deal for yourself.  Don't forget to include a ticket home each year.  Prices are going up all the time, so it is not as cheap as it once was.  Make sure that the company is paying the tax because some workers are being charged the tax on exit.  Get everything in writing or else it does not count.  Good luck in your negotiations!

Thank's for the info

A subsidiary of BASF by any chance?

Cheap as fooking chips and twice as nasty

Clansman wrote:

blaster4577 wrote:

Is this 1600LYD (USD 1270) salary for expat was tax exempted or not? just want to know more about labor policy in Libya specially for EXPAT.

Tax free here my friend.

Good luck.

Expat salaries are not tax exempt unless your company has arranged something. 
Some companies pay Libyan income tax for their employees, so they may may not be aware that tax is being paid.

Here's a link that describes the latest Libyan tax laws:

http://www.sat.ly/business.htm

Clansman wrote:

Mudman wrote:

gabacho wrote:

He said for a flat, not a house.

Sorry, I was using the word 'house' as in 'abode', 'domicile','a place of dwelling or habitation','residence', 'a homestead', or indeed 'a roof over one's head'.

Don't worry about it mate, this is from the same guy that thinks that robberies go up in the UK around Christmas time because us Brits need the money to spend on presents . Now I might add that I worked for 10 years for a UK police force, robberies are generally done to fund a drug users habit, or on occasion to steal a very valuable item.

Back to the OP, Sandman once made a comment about cold water and fast wrist movement, I think he would say the same for this offer. 1600LYD per month is about what my guys get paid as network engineers. As for 400LYD per month for a residence, forget it, you might get a room in a shared apartment for that.

From an American dictionary:

Flat
chiefly British : an apartment on one floor

You can find a flat in Tripoli for 400 LYD, it may not be comfortable by western standards, but it is liveable enough to work and send home a decent remittance.

Samakauk wrote:

Goldilocks wrote:

U say u were working in saudi? means u not working at present...
400 dinar house will be somewhere right out of city...then what of travelling expenses?
Food and other stuff r very high compared to saudi becareful
.
and come with a contract if you have to, I think being a german company they should do more justice to your saLary
.
if it is some local company please dont kill yourself....they DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TREAT LABOUR, especially asian labour as they have learnt the stinking way the other arabic countries have followed in the past years...
Perhaps they choose not to grow beyond such mind sets!

I am really sorry to hear what you are saying, I am Arab, I do respect people - we are all human, I do have Asian & European friends. we can not generalise - there are good and bad people everywhere.

I talked earlier and that was an International Co. and it is European

Samakauk,
Sorry to hurt your sentiments, but honestly, I have travelled far enough and did realise that ASIAN and ARABIC companies/people do not know how to respect LABOUR!!
OVER TIME, UNDERPAID, ABUSED IN MANY SENSES (MEDICAL, VISA ETC)

Please I would rather not say more on this...There may be a few with a different attitude, but honestly I have yet to meet them...and I have travelled enough to say what I say!
Im sorry Once again,
Hve a Lovely Day
Cheers!
.
On second read, do I believe the living condition/salary of the above that you mentioned is a european company? if so then they are doing what Romans do in Rome!

In India too,(international) call centres were booming with intelligent students, sensible salary structure to start with, and gradually the very Indian managers educated the west how to treat their very own people and Alas! The entire set up became more like a racket and rubbish...
We Infest don't we?

Argh!

Goldilocks wrote:

Samakauk wrote:

Goldilocks wrote:

U say u were working in saudi? means u not working at present...
400 dinar house will be somewhere right out of city...then what of travelling expenses?
Food and other stuff r very high compared to saudi becareful
.
and come with a contract if you have to, I think being a german company they should do more justice to your saLary
.
if it is some local company please dont kill yourself....they DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TREAT LABOUR, especially asian labour as they have learnt the stinking way the other arabic countries have followed in the past years...
Perhaps they choose not to grow beyond such mind sets!

I am really sorry to hear what you are saying, I am Arab, I do respect people - we are all human, I do have Asian & European friends. we can not generalise - there are good and bad people everywhere.

I talked earlier and that was an International Co. and it is European

Samakauk,
Sorry to hurt your sentiments, but honestly, I have travelled far enough and did realise that ASIAN and ARABIC companies/people do not know how to respect LABOUR!!
OVER TIME, UNDERPAID, ABUSED IN MANY SENSES (MEDICAL, VISA ETC)

Please I would rather not say more on this...There may be a few with a different attitude, but honestly I have yet to meet them...and I have travelled enough to say what I say!
Im sorry Once again,
Hve a Lovely Day
Cheers!
.
On second read, do I believe the living condition/salary of the above that you mentioned is a european company? if so then they are doing what Romans do in Rome!

In India too,(international) call centres were booming with intelligent students, sensible salary structure to start with, and gradually the very Indian managers educated the west how to treat their very own people and Alas! The entire set up became more like a racket and rubbish...
We Infest don't we?

Argh!

I do not think that only Asian/Arabic countries/people threat them this way,,, it is everywhere. And I think they should stand up for themselves. They shouldn't throw themselves over low paid jobs like they've nothing but this option. I know there are so intellectual Indian IT guys spread all over the world - but they r still paid less than average.

gabacho wrote:

Clansman wrote:

Mudman wrote:

Sorry, I was using the word 'house' as in 'abode', 'domicile','a place of dwelling or habitation','residence', 'a homestead', or indeed 'a roof over one's head'.

Don't worry about it mate, this is from the same guy that thinks that robberies go up in the UK around Christmas time because us Brits need the money to spend on presents . Now I might add that I worked for 10 years for a UK police force, robberies are generally done to fund a drug users habit, or on occasion to steal a very valuable item.

Back to the OP, Sandman once made a comment about cold water and fast wrist movement, I think he would say the same for this offer. 1600LYD per month is about what my guys get paid as network engineers. As for 400LYD per month for a residence, forget it, you might get a room in a shared apartment for that.

From an American dictionary:

Flat
chiefly British : an apartment on one floor

You can find a flat in Tripoli for 400 LYD, it may not be comfortable by western standards, but it is liveable enough to work and send home a decent remittance.

The bit in bold is a give away. Although Americans speak English, it is far removed from the traditional British variant.

You posted - Expat salaries are not tax exempt unless your company has arranged something.
Some companies pay Libyan income tax for their employees, so they may may not be aware that tax is being paid.

Er so that is tax free for the worker then ?, which is what the OP was asking.

Now not being picky (well I am, and because of some of your previous ill informed posts I don't even feel guilty about it), but how would one define 'decent remittance' ?. I would have thought it would vary from individual to individual, like by nationality (it's wrong as I have said before), or by what one is accustomed to, just interested likes

Several messages were moderated

I will not refrain from making those comments. Please delete my account.

or ban it or whatever you all that thing

Sweet. I get moderated for defending the right to free speech!
Truly this is Libya

a coup?

Sorry I deleted the whole thread, my mistake - I'll contact you in private.

There isn't even the need to invoke that right, Mudman.

Julien, Im not gonna waste my words (for I have plenty of time) quarrelling with any one over the legitimacy of my posts if I dont want to quarrel. You either ban me now and be done with it or you're gonna be bugged about it again, I promise, and then you'll have to stop whatever you're doing, come here, do your analysis or investigation or whatever, and then ban the account.

Don't be so friggin' childish Mo...you accepted the T&C's of the site when you joined!

There's many of us who consider the level of moderation to be excessive, but live with it!

Sandman, I know we've been a bit excessive in the past, but we are doing our best to change this and intervene as little as possible (I am pretty sure you noticed it)

Thanks for remembering about the T&C's by the way

Julien wrote:

but we are doing our best to change this and intervene as little as possible (I am pretty sure you noticed it)

Top dude J

Nothing at wrong with some healthy debate and argument so long as it doesn't get abusive

Maybe I over reacted. Sorry about this, I am kind of stressed these days.

|now that you've seen my message, I self moderate]

I'll think more before intervening again.

I think I'll propose you a new set of rules in the next few days.

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