Curious About Saudi (Religious) Law?

My last post on this thread, when the thread subject is 'curious about saudi religious law', expect to see posts about saudi religious law - seeemples.

We've all got our own ideas, nobody is right and nobody is wrong but when we're not in cyberspace please remember where you are.

The only thing I was trying to point out in this thread is what I've been saying in other posts. There is no precise rule, it's all about how the enforcement is feeling. Everything I've been told has been debunked in my links. That's all.

And an update, my buddy got yelled at for smoking the other day. haha

Well, one thing for sure is that I'm not an ass kisser!

I'm the same Muslim in everywhere, whether that was in internet, school, street, in another country, or everywhere.

I've never brought a religious subject or anything, you could say that to whoever pur this post "Curious About Saudi (Religious) Law?", and yet, you don't see any question that tells you that person is seeking something.
All I could see is some people laugh, and others say it's hilarious.

Now, I don't care what the non-Muslims think about my religion, and I don't care if some other Muslims don't defend their Deen.
Also, I do respect whoever respect themselves, and never make fun of other people, and their belief.

And about the hypocritical behavior, I can't tell you for sure what it's like to have only the name of a belief, without even doing anything that your belief says, but I can assure there are few people who can tell you about that.

Ramon,

any need of moderation around here ?

I just read the first sentence of the last message and I am thinking ... "should I close this discussion?"

Julien wrote:

any need of moderation around here ?

I just read the first sentence of the last message and I am thinking ... "should I close this discussion?"

Please don't, Julien.  We don't have freedom in KSA but having it here, in forum, does make life more tolerable

And I, for one, will no longer feed trolls.  Hopefully others won't, either .. and VOILA!  problems solved!

Amen!

Yeah ..let see how long Allie gonna hold the reins of herself.

As long as we can have some useful discourse of the merits and demerits of such personal religious laws it will help share and understand the basis of these edicts.

I, for one, have done some extensive research on Islamic Inheritance laws using the edicts in the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet and have found it quite interesting in terms of the division of the shares of a deceased to his/her heirs. Ive also developed a computer program to compute these shares based on who survives a deceased since the permutation and combination of the shares is quite complex but extremely intriguing. The fact that many direct (immediate) relatives (parents, children, siblings, spouse) of a deceased are deemed fixed shares is certainly unique when compared to other personal inheritance laws that usually leave everything to the spouse.

Willing to share it if anyone is interested.

MM, Please share!  I love to learn about these things...

nonz wrote:

Yeah ..let see how long Allie gonna hold the reins of herself.

I think I'll surprise you, girlie. I can be quite commited when I set my mind to something

The basic premise of Islamic Inheritance law is that there are a fixed set of immediate family members (level 1) who are automatically benefited from the inheritance by way of their relationship to the deceased. The male also inherits twice as much as the female.

Level 1

SPOUSE(s) - plural in the case of a man with multiple wives
FATHER
MOTHER
SON(s)
DAUGHTER(s)

If a man dies leaving NO children, SPOUSE = 1/4 of Inheritance
If he leaves children, SPOUSE = 1/8

If a woman dies leaving NO children, SPOUSE = 1/2
If she leaves children, SPOUSE = 1/4

If deceased left PARENTS and have NO children, MOTHER=1/3 of remainder, FATHER=2/3 of remainder, after SPOUSE share deducted
If children survive deceased, then PARENTS = 1/6 each

Children inherit after SPOUSE and PARENTS share are distributed with the SONS getting twice the share of the daughters.

If NO sons and only daughters, then a single daughter takes HALF while two or more daughters take 2/3 of the inheritance

Siblings ONLY inherit in the ABSENCE of a FATHER and/or SON (direct male heir). Their share is in the proportion of 2:1 for BROTHER:SISTER after Spouse, Mother and Daughters shares are distributed.

The main reason why the MALE inherits TWICE as much as the FEMALE is because the responsibility and burden of CUSTODIANSHIP falls on the male. Eg; SON/FATHER (male heir) becomes custodian of the wife and daughters of a deceased. In  the absence of a SON/FATHER, the BROTHER of the deceased becomes the custodian and is fully responsible for the remaining heirs of the deceased.

Ramon1990, either you respect the people here and the site, or we will vote to have you kicked for good.

Interesting MM!  So glad Im from the states!

nahassan wrote:

Ramon1990, either you respect the people here and the site, or we will vote to have you kicked for good.

On no!!! Really?!!!

Alliecat wrote:

nonz wrote:

Yeah ..let see how long Allie gonna hold the reins of herself.

I think I'll surprise you, girlie. I can be quite commited when I set my mind to something

and i would love to see it happening

Allies on a roll?

CAF wrote:

Interesting MM!  So glad Im from the states!

CAF, I am sure there are many women born to Arab parents in Qassim who would think and believe that they are so glad they were not born and raised in the USA, just as well?

Its all a matter of where we are born, to whom, brainwashed, raised, nurtured, educated, and moulded, that makes our minds tick the way we do.

We really have no choice in those small beginnings.

musicman wrote:

The basic premise of Islamic Inheritance law is that there are a fixed set of immediate family members (level 1) who are automatically benefited from the inheritance by way of their relationship to the deceased. The male also inherits twice as much as the female.

Level 1

SPOUSE(s) - plural in the case of a man with multiple wives
FATHER
MOTHER
SON(s)
DAUGHTER(s)

If a man dies leaving NO children, SPOUSE = 1/4 of Inheritance
If he leaves children, SPOUSE = 1/8

If a woman dies leaving NO children, SPOUSE = 1/2
If she leaves children, SPOUSE = 1/4

If deceased left PARENTS and have NO children, MOTHER=1/3 of remainder, FATHER=2/3 of remainder, after SPOUSE share deducted
If children survive deceased, then PARENTS = 1/6 each

Children inherit after SPOUSE and PARENTS share are distributed with the SONS getting twice the share of the daughters.

If NO sons and only daughters, then a single daughter takes HALF while two or more daughters take 2/3 of the inheritance

Siblings ONLY inherit in the ABSENCE of a FATHER and/or SON (direct male heir). Their share is in the proportion of 2:1 for BROTHER:SISTER after Spouse, Mother and Daughters shares are distributed.

The main reason why the MALE inherits TWICE as much as the FEMALE is because the responsibility and burden of CUSTODIANSHIP falls on the male. Eg; SON/FATHER (male heir) becomes custodian of the wife and daughters of a deceased. In  the absence of a SON/FATHER, the BROTHER of the deceased becomes the custodian and is fully responsible for the remaining heirs of the deceased.

Wow, masha Allah, man, you blew up my head!

I was reading the OP from beezer and thinking, "That's not how it's applied in this country or that country" (read here culture defined by borders).

I've stated before that Islam is practiced and defined differently from country to country and some of the examples and definitions cited by beezer are contrary to what I found in living in the KSA. But they are accurate in reflecting the practices in some other Islamic societies.

I went home to Southern Thailand in the middle of Ramadan and found a completely different way of dealing with the "holiday".  Nothing was closed, with the exception of a few Mom n Pop halal restaurants.  Almost all business run by Muslims were open, including restaurants.  We have a fairly significant Muslim population in the South.

To say that Islam, as practiced in KSA is the definitive Islam, is rather precocious and smacks of a 'superiority/inferiority' complex. 

Muslims in other countries have a very different view of the religion and of Saudis and how they practice it.  Don't believe me...ask them, if they are outside of KSA and don't fear imprisonment for sharing their opinions.

Yes, certainly true MS, because the actual practice is based on the sects and groups of Islam to which the community/nation belongs to.

The two highest level differences are the SUNNI and the SHIA nd within these two, there are also sub sects, groups or Madhabs that are unique in their own ways in some of the practices, rituals, and manners.

The underlying common factor that runs through all of the sects and sub sects is the Unity of God and the acceptance as Muhammad as the final Prophet and Messenger amongst a long line of Prophets/Messengers from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc.

There is also the Sufi branch within both Sunni/Shia sects that devote much of their beliefs and practices to mysticism.

Wow this thread has gone wild lol

Just few things:

This thread is about "religious laws in KSA", but ultimately it's about Islam.

True Islam is not found in countries or their laws or other people it's found in you in your search for the truth (if you are one of the ones who care to know why they are really here in this earth and if there's a higher power that you will ultimately answer to)

I said this before: KSA is a pathetic excuse for an Islamic country. I will write up a post about this.

In the end, no country is perfect or even close to being perfect including Canada or the U.S. etc.

I mean I hear Canadian or Americans talk stuff like "I am so shocked ..." etc. sorry but you won't fool me



musicman, did you know that Algebra was invented by the muslim scientist Alkhawarizmi precisely to solve inheritance ... as laid in the Holy Koran.

He wrote this in his Algebra book in the introduction but consequently it was "deleted" in following copies!

By the way Canadian algebra high-school books don't even mention him lol! I presume in U.S. it's the same. So, you see how Islam is seen as an alien thing where the gap should be narrowed ... well

As you can see this is what happens when people truly become real muslims and embrace the real religion, they ascend and create the greatest civilization man kind had or will ever have. I am not being biased here, it's just the facts.

ITpro wrote:

musicman, did you know that Algebra was invented by the muslim scientist Alkhawarizmi precisely to solve inheritance ... as laid in the Holy Koran.

ITpro, did you know that Alkhawarizmi did not invent Algebra?

Over 1000 years before Alkhawarizmi was born there was a Greek guy called Diophantus (3rd century AD),he is called the father of algebra and was an Alexandrian Greek mathematician and the author of a series of books called Arithmetica. These texts deal with solving algebraic equations.

Also I suspect that Algebra was used significantly in the design and building of the great pyramids in egypt, this would have been over 3500 years before Alkhawarizmi was born.

Take a look at the timeline of algebra:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_algebra

Did you also know that Henry VIII did not have six wives, Alexander Graham Bell did not invent the telephone and the driest place on earth is Antartica where there has been no rain for over 2 million years?

Funny isnt it?

actually the story goes like this:
a cave man ran across the problem of food being stolen from him by other animals... He had 5 berries laying on the ground, but then, suddenly a bird flew by and now only had 2. He wondered how many berries the bird took (an unknown quantity X). by reasoning he found out that 3 berries were missing and thus 3 berries were eaten by the bird. 5-X=2 ; X=5-2=3 , thus algebra was discovered, Eureka !!!

but it is true also that The word "algebra" is named after the arabic word "al-jabr" from the title of the book (The book of Summary Concerning Calculating by Transposition and Reduction), a book written by al-Khwarizmi in 820, and al-Khwarizmi is considered the founder of algebra because he laid the ground for the advancement of algebraic equation as we now it today, beside the fact that some of his techniques on solving quadratic equations are still in use today.

after which; I am still wondering how a bird with only two claws could carry three berries. or if all of this really matters.