Absolutely Anything Else

While I do work as a purchaser and I do spend my days looking for obscure stuff, this is not something one can find with a 30 second google search.

Rawlee wrote:

While I do work as a purchaser and I do spend my days looking for obscure stuff, this is not something one can find with a 30 second google search.

Hmmm....well, looks like you're the guy to find stuff . 

It'd be easy to find stuff like the ultrasound bath elsewhere (another country).

I wouldn't mind finding a sandblasting cabinet.   Should be capable of taking objects up to say 4m long - I've got a car axle I need to rejuvenate/rust remove.  That's probably quite difficult.

As an alternative, I was thinking of using a cheap throwaway tent with two holes and long arm length rubberised gloves sown or duct taped in.   The tent is easy - Tesco festival types - and tape up the holes.

I'd probably want to use it for spray painting as well for what I hope is a one off job.

I think the long rubbery gloves would be quite difficult.  Maybe a chemical supplier or food preparation.

No, the machine is widely available. But not in the size you seek.

Rawlee wrote:

No, the machine is widely available. But not in the size you seek.

The point was that stuff here is much harder to get. 

But nearly everywhere else seems to be easier (in my case, even in larger sizes).

I disagree. Most stuff are very easy to find. But I guess it is hard for people who refuse to learn the local language.

Rawlee wrote:

I disagree. Most stuff are very easy to find. But I guess it is hard for people who refuse to learn the local language.

Nah, don't believe it and neither should you.   

I've been here years and it's always been a problem to find things which are only marginally specialist.  It's the same everywhere around here and it's basic economics. Everything is 1-2 weeks or more delivery. In a small economy like Hungary there's almost no variety or choice at the right price.  Just normality.  I suppose I should be grateful I'm not living in Slovenia or Heligoland.

Even on FMCG and other commodities there are inexplicable gaps - there was a banana gap a while ago - all rubbish old bananas everywhere. Mrs Fluffy tells me there's a salad problem at Aldi. Something always hiccups somewhere in the supply chain. 

Recent examples:

I'm trying to buy a projector and can I get a particular model, yes, I can but I have to wait 2 or 3 weeks.  That's no good. I might as well buy it on Amazon or another site and have it shipped. As it happens in the end I was able to wait for that one so went with a local supplier but it could have been critical at that time.

I'm looking for spare parts for my car - ordered online - where do they come from? Germany, sent by courier. Hungarian web site, but the goods are being shipped from Berlin.  I also looked at the price differentials between Hungary, Germany and the UK - cheaper all-in from Germany, even with 27% VAT and courier charges. 

Reason: larger economies.

I go back to basics, I guess we foreigners from larger economies want to live in Freddie Mercury's world - "I want it all and I want it now".

Rawlee wrote:

I disagree. Most stuff are very easy to find. But I guess it is hard for people who refuse to learn the local language.

Even my Hungarian speaking wife can not find things here she could easily get when living abroad. So making this a linguistic issue is just silly.

We are expats, and Fluffy provided the better answer that is expat related.

And it is also an issue of quality. That is, being able to find a "widget" in Hungary does not matter if that widget is complete and utter rubbish. We have to seek abroad to buy "a real widget".   

People do want it now and their way all the time.
My first trip to Hungary in 1978 blew my mind.
Some shops had a whopping choice of 3 different types of toothpaste, although one brand might of been in powder form.
4 different types of shampoos too!
I remember we brought the max.amount of luggage with us for our 6 week visit.
I made sure to bring  everything from female items to my hair coloring mix.
6 suitcases , 66 lbs. each and 3 carry on bags.
Of course we brought a 2 1/2 year old and one suitcase was full of just nappies since I didn't want to take any chances that they didn't sell Pampers in HU.
Even restocked my stash of diapers in Germany, soon ran out though.
No, they didn't sell throw out baby diapers in 1978.
He was in the middle of being potty trained when we took this trip to HU.
Considering my in-laws hadn't connected their flush WC in their new house yet, I wasn't about to give my boy a life long WC phobia by making him go in the outhouse.
Suppose they sold child's potties but no one really took me shopping to buy one here.
Thankfully my MIL was more then happy to wash nappies by hand and then wash in her old style Soviet washing machine and hang them out to dry...
Off track again,
Hungary has most everything one really needs now if not there is always online shopping.
I also remember I brought so many items of clothing on that trip and I only wore half of them, people don't need as much as they believe they do to get by.
People also knew how to make their own tools and how to fix things themselves with whatever they had available to work with.
Jerry-rigged should be renamed, " Joseph Rigged" since the old DIY guys really knew how to make do.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

People do want it now and their way all the time.
My first trip to Hungary in 1978 blew my mind.
Some shops had a whopping choice of 3 different types of toothpaste, although one brand might of been in powder form.
4 different types of shampoos too!
....
Off track again,
Hungary has most everything one really needs now if not there is always online shopping.
I also remember I brought so many items of clothing on that trip and I only wore half of them, people don't need as much as they believe they do to get by.
People also knew how to make their own tools and how to fix things themselves with whatever they had available to work with.
Jerry-rigged should be renamed, " Joseph Rigged" since the old DIY guys really knew how to make do.

Nothing is off track here!

Sounds almost like nostalgia.  I guess it is in a way but really, looking back at the 1970s, even the 1980s, it was pretty dire. 

I remember one of my friends had a German father (the Dad was a U-boat sailor who was captured in WW2),  The Dad found himself stuck in the UK as his part of Germany was overrun by the Russians and was eventually East Germany, the DDR.  He told me that when he visited the DDR, the relatives brought out tinned pineapples and asked him if he'd ever tried them.  For them, it was a special and rare treat, for him, just normality.  He commented they were green'ish Cuban pineapples - a present from the Cuban people in the name of socialism. 

I also drove to West Berlin via the Transit route and we pulled up at a service/rest stop,  It was full of people in their Trabants and Wartburgs. My crappy Fiat car looked like a Star Trek space rocket compared to their non-eco-friendly Duroplast Mickey Mouse vehicles.  Strangely, the only thing I saw in the shop there of any significance (to me anyway) was  Russian "champagne". I saw the same bottles in a supermarket on a very recent trip further East.  Still making it!   

I was also in Ukraine and I was in this "fancy hotel" where they said they had 10 different types of cheese - now I was thinking, ok, Camembert, Port salut,  Cheddar, Stilton, Edam etc.    As it turns out, it was the same cheese cut in different ways - small squares, triangles, curly, blah-blah.

fluffy2560 wrote:

I also drove to West Berlin via the Transit route and we pulled up at a service/rest stop,  It was full of people in their Trabants and Wartburgs. My crappy Fiat car looked like a Star Trek space rocket compared to their non-eco-friendly Duroplast Mickey Mouse vehicles.  Strangely, the only thing I saw in the shop there of any significance (to me anyway) was  Russian "champagne". I saw the same bottles in a supermarket on a very recent trip further East.  Still making it!   

I was also in Ukraine and I was in this "fancy hotel" where they said they had 10 different types of cheese - now I was thinking, ok, Camembert, Port salut,  Cheddar, Stilton, Edam etc.    As it turns out, it was the same cheese cut in different ways - small squares, triangles, curly, blah-blah.

Only the French can call it Champagne

SimCityAT wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

I also drove to West Berlin via the Transit route and we pulled up at a service/rest stop,  It was full of people in their Trabants and Wartburgs. My crappy Fiat car looked like a Star Trek space rocket compared to their non-eco-friendly Duroplast Mickey Mouse vehicles.  Strangely, the only thing I saw in the shop there of any significance (to me anyway) was  Russian "champagne". I saw the same bottles in a supermarket on a very recent trip further East.  Still making it!   

I was also in Ukraine and I was in this "fancy hotel" where they said they had 10 different types of cheese - now I was thinking, ok, Camembert, Port salut,  Cheddar, Stilton, Edam etc.    As it turns out, it was the same cheese cut in different ways - small squares, triangles, curly, blah-blah.

Only the French can call it Champagne

Yes, indeed.  It's a protected name hence the quotes but way back then, like anyone cared! Especially the Russians and the Ossies!

But I supposed they could label have labelled it "méthode champenoise" in the East but it was never going out of that region. I expect in that place most of it was drunk at a picnic there and then or while on the road. Seems odd to sell alcohol at a motorway service area.  But same sort of thing goes on here - e.g. Törley - and in Austria and Germany, aka Sekt.

Fizzy pop!

My  Munich  born friend and ex-yoga instructor told me in Las Vegas that she was well aware of Lake Balaton.
As a child she used to travel there every summer so her parents could visit their east German family. It was "neutral " territory back then.

Life is funny, now she lives part-time in Vegas and part- time In Kona HI.
She is exactly almost by the week one full decade younger then I am.
I've taken some of those online silly quizzes to find out your height and age. Seems I ca relate more to younger people. Got 5'8" tall and age 38.
They were close, i'm 5'9" tall ( or used to be before I shrunk" but they were off by 26 years in my age!

The weather is very tolerable in the city for these past few days.
Hope to visit Balaton next week , I love it there.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

My  Munich  born friend and ex-yoga instructor told me in Las Vegas that she was well aware of Lake Balaton.
As a child she used to travel there every summer so her parents could visit their east German family. It was "neutral " territory back then.

Life is funny, now she lives part-time in Vegas and part- time In Kona HI.
She is exactly almost by the week one full decade younger then I am.
I've taken some of those online silly quizzes to find out your height and age. Seems I ca relate more to younger people. Got 5'8" tall and age 38.
They were close, i'm 5'9" tall ( or used to be before I shrunk" but they were off by 26 years in my age!

The weather is very tolerable in the city for these past few days.
Hope to visit Balaton next week , I love it there.

Best not to come to Balaton until you've checked the weather.  I'm here now and the weather is terrible. I've got a fleece on - it's cold and the rain has been torrential.  It's so bad, I'm thinking of just leaving the car packed and going back home.  The only "person" happy here is the dog (lots of room to hobble about in).  Hasn't stopped the birds babbling.  It's drying out a bit but its that post storm wetness that'll take days to disappear.

I am not surprised many people met in Balaton from the West and East - just to the West is Sopron, site of the pan-European picnic (and part of the collapse of the wall).  Still, the German culture is alive and kicking here.  At least they are keeping the shops, hotels and restaurants open.

Doesn't make sense you saying the quiz got your age wrong 26 years - I thought you were 21.  I myself have been 21 for some years now

Forever young is the code to live by.

We've only made it to Balaton 2 times in 2 weeks because of this odd weather.
June is often like this, weird weather.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Doesn't make sense you saying the quiz got your age wrong 26 years - I thought you were 21.  I myself have been 21 for some years now

I have no problem saying I am over the half century mark in age.

Yes, I am 26*.

*One benefit of age -- can claim confusion of memory and what things mean and not give a damn if people try to correct you. So, "half century", "quarter century"... Meh... Whatever. Close enough.

I'm not vain, I even round up my age to make myself older.
Could care less about age, only the "side effects"!

Think the mid week should get back to summer like conditions, Balaton Time!!!
Our neighbor has been moving out all weekend, finally out after over 74 years plus in the building.
Sounds like they are taking their old galleria with them.
I'm sure tomorrow morning when the lady of the house is taking the train to work for over an hour instead of having her husband drop her off 3 mins away she isn't going t find her new dwellings as sweet as the old flat was.
No thanks to a long train ride anywhere.
My son has been taking the Bullet Train in Japan to Kobe lately.
2 hours to go 400 plus miles away.
Costs a ton though, about $250. round trip.
Guess the old caboose here in HU isn't so bad dollar per dollar.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Could care less about age, only the "side effects"

I rather call them "slide effects".

My skin is sliding lower on my face.

My hair seems to be sliding out of its roots.

My memory seems to be sliding away.

My finances seem to be sliding into inflation.

My days seem to be shorter and sliding into one another.

Need I go on?

klsallee wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Could care less about age, only the "side effects"

I rather call them "slide effects".

My skin is sliding lower on my face.

My hair seems to be sliding out of its roots.

My memory seems to be sliding away.

My finances seem to be sliding into inflation.

My days seem to be shorter and sliding into one another.

Need I go on?

Bit of a slideathon going on there.   

I think the time one is the one I think about a lot more than the other effects. When you're a kid everything seems to take ages but I guess it's obvious, when you are 1 year old and then 2, you've aged 100%.  But if you are 60 and then you're 66, that's just a 10% increase.  So as you get older the day gets shorter not only in reality to the baseline but also in perception. 

I'm just trying to think what else is sliding apart from the above...perhaps my belief in the ideals of my youth?

Slip sliding away...
I actually do enjoy "growing old" to think of the alternative is a bit depressing.
Compared to most of my old friends, I'm doing fantastic.
My only issue in life is my son but he must live his own life at some point and quit calling me daily to over share is problems which are all of his own creation.
My only regret is only having one child because he is always the focus and his issues are always over blown.
I think the reality of moving to Japan has hit  him... living in a fantasy world makes it shocking when you wake up to what's real and what's not.
I wonder if anyone really enjoys growing old and realizing how much of their youth they wasted on BS.
On the bright side, I can still fit into my clothing from decades ago and I've become more aware of outside motives from people,not as  trusting as I used to be.
The only hair I'm losing is from me pulling it  out by the roots!

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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My only issue in life is my son but he must live his own life at some point and quit calling me daily to over share is problems which are all of his own creation.
My only regret is only having one child because he is always the focus and his issues are always over blown.
I think the reality of moving to Japan has hit  him... living in a fantasy world makes it shocking when you wake up to what's real and what's not.....

Maybe he has no-one to share with, not even his other half.   

Japan is a "strange" an new country with a different lifestyle. It's a  learning experience and different protocols. Perhaps no support structures other than you two in Budapest.   

I often go places for extended periods where I don't know anyone but I can always come back here to my family here or my family in the UK.   

That's the background stability for having adventures - knowing you've got a fall back.

I'm afraid our son is not made out of the stuff to be a "ex-pat" he wastes money hand over foot without an end in site.
Just does too many "stupid" things.

I read an article last week that said that Hungary will make it illegal next year to home school .
Has anyone heard about this?

Children, pluses, minuses, confronted with too many sad stories. Difficult to judge, but as me and my wife have no children we do not have to set aside assets. (a plus), not having somebody to take care off (apart from animals).
Me and my wife are definitely expats and nice people are everywhere (some countries more then others, as far as nice people are concerned, Hungary a plus). Dutch cold and a bit too liberal, London, too busy and depressive, Luxembourg well paying but too expensive, too stressful to me and without salary not possible to have a comfortable life.

Being an expat has drawbacks, but in my view also many many pluses.

Physical an physological challenges are important, most important is view on life, be happy with your life (many siblings, but 2 of them seem to have something to be depressive about (I understand a bit, but, if you have water, electricity, internet, you are well off in my view).

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

I'm afraid our son is not made out of the stuff to be a "ex-pat" he wastes money hand over foot without an end in site.
Just does too many "stupid" things.

I read an article last week that said that Hungary will make it illegal next year to home school .
Has anyone heard about this?

Yes, I heard about the home school proposals.   I was trying to find an English language version of that news to share but I couldn't and then other things came into my mind.  I don't know what's driving the proposal to make it illegal.

Re: your son, he'll have to learn to survive anyway.  Maybe he's had it too easy in LV?  My nephew is the same.  How to budget is a skill that should be taught in school - easy to do really - approximately: 1/3 rent+utilities, 1/3 food+essentials,  1/3 others (e.g. emergency reserves, own uses).   

Oldest Fluffyette here is at an age in HU where a bank account is possible here.  It's about knowing what to do and self-manage. So it's life skills - we're going to make sure there's practical experience in applying that theory.

cdw057 wrote:

Children, pluses, minuses, confronted with too many sad stories. Difficult to judge, but as me and my wife have no children we do not have to set aside assets. (a plus), not having somebody to take care off (apart from animals). ....

Physical an physiological challenges are important, most important is view on life, be happy with your life (many siblings, but 2 of them seem to have something to be depressive about (I understand a bit, but, if you have water, electricity, internet, you are well off in my view).

It's not just the basics of Maslow's hierarchy of needs - people need more up the Maslow pyramid - emptional well-being as well.

Despite parents always worrying, kids generally work out their lives on their own and usually are supportive of each other.    Old adage:  small kids, small problems, big kids, bigger problems. 

My own view (as a parent 4 x) is that parents should not try to forcibly shape them to their thinking but provide a safe, supportive and open environment for them to grow into well rounded adults. 

Worse case is creating horrible amounts of emotional or psychological baggage to take forward into adulthood.   If parents are full of repressive, religious, emotional or other mental problems, it'll all reflect in the kids' minds.

Having younger kids can have its downs but also can have plenty of ups too.  There are golden ages of childhood.  I think it's about 8 years old where they (kids) are an absolute delight and super entertaining.  Teenage years, not so much - bit of a rollercoaster but so long as they verbalise it's workable! Adult "kids" (if not encumbered by strange baggage) are mostly fine! 

I think our dog is far more trouble than a kid - you cannot reason with the dog as they have no logic. But they are at least they are easy to bribe (our one is anyway)!

Ages 4 to 12 are the best in children I think.
My mom swore that infants and small children were her faves.
She had 6 so guess she did like babies .
People who never had children really in all honestly can't understand how painful it is when your kids have issues or do dumb stuff. The cord is hard to cut, can't really ever cut it.
I can't share with 3 of my siblings since they never had children, the one who had a child is now dead and my younger bro is a child himself. Sorry to share with total strangers on a site but whatever...

My son is out of his mind in many ways.
Knew he was a strange sort from the start and he hasn't stopped being difficult yet.
I can't get into it but even I was considering contacting the US Embassy in his behalf in Japan, that's how weird things have been.
He just doesn't think one step ahead of the next.
He finally got his internet connection but not cable or wires to use skype, he has been using a cell phone daily for 90 min talks with his dad... Can't wait to see that bill! No international plan and he borrowed his FIL's cell phone!! God help him!!
He is 43 so in all reality,he is just going to never change.
Needless to say I have put off my 100% ban on wine drinking, was good for a month but now his BS, guess I'm weak minded as well. Driving me to drink is an understatement, he even asked his father to come to Japan and help with his problem there!!!No way!

My friend in Vegas has just sold her second home in Kona and is shipping everything back to Vegas after 4-5 years of going back and forth from Vegas to Kona.
I totally understand, we did that twice.
hard for anyone to really understand how anyone could leave Hawaii unless they lived there for awhile themselves.

Once again, good old Hollyweird is filming on our street.
I could care less about movies these days, been watching some old classics on U Tube. I've been into James Mason films lately, good actor who played some very odd roles.

Hope to escape this heat soon, have been hanging around the phone line and computer for our son.. what a royal pain!

fluffy2560 wrote:

Yes, I heard about the home school proposals.  .... snip .... I don't know what's driving the proposal to make it illegal.

IMHO: It is about totalitarian control. Children home schooled may actually avoid the "world view" the government has injected into the national curriculum recently.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

hard for anyone to really understand how anyone could leave Hawaii unless they lived there for awhile themselves.

I was there only a week, and could see many reasons why one would not stay there forever.

My husband has been on his let's move back to Hawaii kick.
How soon we forget.

My "Hippie" days are over with, I know we could live there on a small homestead but why?
I really try to let people live and let live but when every other person is higher then a kite it sometimes is hard to relate to them.
Everyone was high all the time in HI.
My Vegas friend is a serious minded German lady who may of once had a beer or two in her entire life.
I can see how the Hawaiian lifestyle would get to her after awhile.
She had been flying back and forth from Vegas to Kona about every 3 weeks. Her long time boyfriend/husband stayed in Kona and played drums at night in various dinner houses with his band.
Think she is the one who makes the real cash money in the family and going back and forth must of worn her out.
It's hard to be around people who operate in slow motion when you are a speedy person like my German friend and I are.
I remember once in the beauty salon where i worked on the big Island, my 2 co-workers once told me "Girl, you have too much energy" "You should move back to Honlolulu".
On that Island they even speak Pigeon English different then the other Islands do, I mean slow moootion.
Shaved Ice is called, Ice shave over there, they don't do things like anywhere else on that Island.
If I could afford to move back to Maui, I'd pack my bag right now, think that is the best Island of all.

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

Yes, I heard about the home school proposals.  .... snip .... I don't know what's driving the proposal to make it illegal.

IMHO: It is about totalitarian control. Children home schooled may actually avoid the "world view" the government has injected into the national curriculum recently.

Yes, did occur to me but didn't feel informed enough to say.   It could be a religious thing. 

Strange things happen here. During one of Jobbik's things, there was a move to teach "traditional Hungarian life" -  archery, horse riding and country dancing - as part of curriculum. 

Much of that trad teaching theory fell by the wayside when the costs became obviously unsustainable.

In the meantime, the parents were forced into buying the dancing costumes, bows and arrows and riding gear now gathering dust in a cupboard.

fluffy2560 wrote:

["traditional Hungarian life" -  archery, horse riding and country dancing

Um.... Were those not "traditional" life activities in every country before firearms, the internal combustion engine, and disco?

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

It's hard to be around people who operate in slow motion when you are a speedy person like my German friend and I are.

I was living in Humboldt CA at the time. Very laid back there (for the same reasons you mentioned about Hawaii), and realized when I was in Hawaii, the locals made the Humboldt crowd seem down right uptight and conservative..... 

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

["traditional Hungarian life" -  archery, horse riding and country dancing

Um.... Were those not "traditional" life activities in every country before firearms, the internal combustion engine, and disco?

Yes, but you know what it was all about - pushing the agenda of Hungarian nationalism Jobbik pre-reformist version. It's all Lippanzaner horsemanship, the local dress equivalent to a dirndl (gatya, szur etc) and messing about "hunting" with bows and arrows.   

Nothing wrong with celebrating cultural things, but it was the obvious agenda of misplaced and misappropriated nostalgia lapped up by many people here wound up with a nationalist chip on their shoulder.   

Strange really that history replays itself as though no-one knew it happened previously.  I find it incredible that such educated people have no sense of learning of the dangers from the past and they are so easily manipulated.  Or is that just a sign of the disjointed/twisted times we're currently living in - doing the same things repetitively and expecting different results.

I'll just shake my head and wring my hands (again) and sniffle for 10s into my gyulasleves.

Sorry, I was on a roll there.  Must be the heat increasing the flow to my brain or the hay fever sneezing losing a few brain cells.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Strange really that history replays itself as though no-one knew it happened previously.  I find it incredible that such educated people have no sense of learning of the dangers from the past and they are so easily manipulated.  Or is that just a sign of the disjointed/twisted times we're currently living in - doing the same things repetitively and expecting different results.

The "Great Game" is indeed starting up again.

IMHO, I no longer even think that those in power care about history. Or the damage their behavior will cause in the future. They only care about themselves and what they can get here and now.

So many issues involved. Partisanship. About getting, having and holding power and control (especially by those that commit crimes to avoid prosecution while they remain in power). Ego. Amassing wealth. Etc. It is a complicated strategy. Some may live in such power and die of heart failure, at the age of 82. Others may be shot and hung from an Esso gas station. But in either case, many, many average people suffer and die for the caprices of the power hungry. Really sad.

klsallee wrote:

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IMHO, I no longer even think that those in power care about history. Or the damage their behavior will cause in the future. They only care about themselves and what they can get here and now.

So many issues involved. Partisanship...... Really sad.

Yes, indeed, the current border discussion/budget fight going on in the USA is a good example.  I found it ludicrous the responses from that lawyer from the DoJ under questioning by judges that sanitary conditions while in CBP custody were effectively not necessary.  She was way out of her depth.  It took that dead guy and his child for someone to acknowledge that the US-Mexico border "refugee" policy is bad. US now has its "Alan Kurdi" dead on the beach.  Luckily no-one has been shot yet in Szeged.

On the other hand, and more happily, there are a couple of places I drove through recently where someone had the foresight to plant trees on the sides of the road to protect people walking along the road from the hot sun.  Considering how long it takes trees to grow, that's a really positive but simple and long term altruism.

So I went to the Heurigerfest translated Wine Taven Festival I only managed a spritzer and 2 beers, The music was so bad I could not bear it anymore.

3 people on the stage (I would call them musicians but that is going too far). The only real thing was them singing. Playing the guitar at least plug it in somewhere and make sure you look like you can play the damn thing. The guy on the keyboard was to busy trying to cue the next song from the USB stick or change them over.

In all honesty, I might as well have just borrowed some speakers with an amp and stuck on Spotify!

SimCityAT wrote:

So I went to the Heurigerfest translated Wine Taven Festival I only managed a spritzer and 2 beers, The music was so bad I could not bear it anymore.

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I suppose it was never going to be Glastonbury.

On the BBC, it says there have been some stormin' peformin' acts.

Never been myself.  Too old for that kind of thing and cannae be bovvered.  Went to Reading a couple of times though.

Heard some fireworks last night coming from the city park area.
Suppose they had some sort of music event there.
Maybe a T-Moblie concert?
Not sure thought they stopped having those these past couple of years.
Not to brag but I too am not interested in the music of these days.
I saw all the "Greats" except the Beatles.
Think I saw the Stones 5 or 6 times plus my sister took me on my Birthday to see Keith's band the Expensive Wino's back in the day.
Saw Bill Wyman here in HU at the old music hall in the city park, torn down now.
Think Cat Stevens was one of my first then Steppenwolf at the Devonshire Downs.
Rod Stewart with the Small Faces was a great show as well.
Saw Earth Wind and Fire so many times I got bored with them.
Here and there we saw some really good musicians here in Hungary but lately it's all too pop or too rap for our tastes.
Last time we went to the Harley Davidson concert at Balaton we saw Eric Burton, man, he was horrible!! His band sucked too.
Before that we saw CRR Credence minus the old lead singer.
That was really good and loads of fun.
My German friend in Vegas saw Sir Paul last night in Vegas, not really into even seeing him these days myself.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

so I am leaning towards the flat earth theory... Why not, show me any photos that weren't from NASA

Photo from a Russian satellite:

https://www.livescience.com/31431-earth … llite.html

I mean, seriously.... Such things are easy to find.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

My hubby thinks I've lost it but my son and I are starting to consider that the earth may be flat.
Why not , please prove me wrong with real science and honest people who do not work for the agenda.

You are simply "considering" a flat earth, but expect others to "prove" with science that the earth is not flat? Not really being "even" there. Did you ask the flat Earth crowd to go beyond their loud yelling, ridicule, and accusations and demand from them rigorous scientific evidence and proof with legit photos showing the thin edge of the flat earth from space?

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

It's sad, we all have been lied to all of our lives from everything from going to higher education to the shape of the earth... OK,

Hm.... But, if you went to University* and learned enough math and physics or even a little astronomy, you could independently get answers, and would not be "dependent" on just "believing" one theory or another. That is the value of education. It allows you to check facts independently and you are beholding to no "agenda" from one group or another.

*Actually, enough higher math and physics is even taught at High School level, but they are elective courses.

Wish I could of gone to Uni but no such luck.
Student loans weren't a thing in my day.

I suppose I haven't seen all the great bands but many of them.
My sisters went to the first Stones concert in S. Ca. in 1965 I think it was, cost them a whole $2.50 each for seats.
My deceased sister went to see literally every band that was worth seeing.
Kinks, Beatles, Cream ( I saw them too) Yardbirds, Doors ( she had a drink at the Whiskey with Jim, said he was nuts)
She met Keith Moon, also a nut as she said.
One really fun time my sister got 2 promotional tickets to see the Stones in Ca. We went together, we had full access to the DJ lounge room with free drinks and food plus good seats.
Another time she knew the Stones "official" photographer  and was on stage with him while they performed, she was loaded down with cameras and film boxes though.
Somewhere my niece should have the photos that were rejected, my sis collected the ones not fit to publish for her own collection.
Glory days.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Wish I could of gone to Uni but no such luck.
Student loans weren't a thing in my day.

I suppose I haven't seen all the great bands but many of them.
My sisters went to the first Stones concert in S. Ca. in 1965 I think it was, cost them a whole $2.50 each for seats.
My deceased sister went to see literally every band that was worth seeing.
Kinks, Beatles, Cream ( I saw them too) Yardbirds, Doors ( she had a drink at the Whiskey with Jim, said he was nuts)
She met Keith Moon, also a nut as she said.
One really fun time my sister got 2 promotional tickets to see the Stones in Ca. We went together, we had full access to the DJ lounge room with free drinks and food plus good seats.
Another time she knew the Stones "official" photographer  and was on stage with him while they performed, she was loaded down with cameras and film boxes though.
Somewhere my niece should have the photos that were rejected, my sis collected the ones not fit to publish for her own collection.
Glory days.

Very cool set of bands but obviously went with the times. 

I saw a lot of bands back in my day - ones you've never heard of but which had pedigree players who went onto bigger things.

The following immediately came to mind:

The Jam
Motorhead
Ian Drury and the Blockheads
Dr Feelgood
Gang of Four
Aerosmith (utterly unknown way back then)
Eddie and the Hot Rods
Genesis
The Wall (Pink Floyd bassist...)
Mudd

....and many others.... I saw Tears for Fears setting up...but couldn't be bothered staying as they were nobodies then....

Student loans - back in my day (in the UK) - it was more or less free.  One of the reasons why our kids - if they decide to go to Uni  - will have to go here.  Cheap here, almost free and life with debt when you are young isn't fun at all.