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@fluffy2560 that's my motto

fluffy2560
I'm with you on that.
SimCityAT
Cynic
- @SimCityAT

That's the "Electronic Travel Authorisation"; ultimately designed to replace all UK visas; read all about them at this link.  The USA already use the system and the EU is introducing their own version that they announced in 2016 and will roll out next year (2023) (link).

Probably fair to say it wasn't Priti Patel's idea, she's copied the scheme in place in the USA/EU and which the UK was already a part of prior to Brexit.

The use of biometrics for immigration administration was used by the Home Office to validate all the EU citizens who chose to remain in the UK post-Brexit.  I downloaded an app to my wife's phone, and placed her passport on top of the phone, the app scanned the biometric data and 2 days later she had her "indefinite leave to remain" document delivered in the post.
fluffy2560
- @SimCityAT

So far it seems to be limited to only some countries in the Middle East.  As non-voters, the government can stick the boot in on evil foreigners by playing to right wing voters.    There's a poll in that article showing 60% in favour of the ETA.  Really?  Is immigration a big news item for today?  It shouldn't be. Surely it should be energy, health care,  inflation, global warming and the war in Ukraine.

Patel has to be one of the worst Home Secretaries in history.  She might not survive the Boris changeover to a new PM but what other nasty piece of work could replace her? It's a poisonous job but it seems to suit her.

There's a report by an Australian former politician being discussed in the media on how ineffective Border Force is.  Since all the ideas and nonsense BS Patel spouts, more boats are arriving by the day.  That's Border Force on her watch.

The Electronic Travel Authorisation  will come in anyway as that's going to be the standard everywhere  for everyone.  Even the EU is bringing its own version which the British will have to apply for.   Imagine the chaos if we think passport queues are problem now.  How many uninformed people are going to turn up at the airport for their planes to Spain and be turned away for not having the EU travel authorisation?  Loads!

Personally I find it really offensive to provide any details to anyone about anything.   I was very unhappy to have to give up my dabs (fingerprints) for the HU Brexit residence permit.  All of these things are meant to dehumanise people.

fluffy2560
The use of biometrics for immigration administration was used by the Home Office to validate all the EU citizens who chose to remain in the UK post-Brexit.  I downloaded an app to my wife's phone, and placed her passport on top of the phone, the app scanned the biometric data and 2 days later she had her "indefinite leave to remain" document delivered in the post.
- @Cynic

We applied online for the Mrs and didn't get anything back at all.   We just gave up.   I did e-mail them but no answer.  No response at all.  We had a reference number/acknowledgement and everything.
Cynic
The use of biometrics for immigration administration was used by the Home Office to validate all the EU citizens who chose to remain in the UK post-Brexit.  I downloaded an app to my wife's phone, and placed her passport on top of the phone, the app scanned the biometric data and 2 days later she had her "indefinite leave to remain" document delivered in the post.
- @Cynic

We applied online for the Mrs and didn't get anything back at all.   We just gave up.   I did e-mail them but no answer.  No response at all.  We had a reference number/acknowledgement and everything.
- @fluffy2560

TBH, I haven't heard of anybody who got ILR who was not resident in the UK at the time they applied; doesn't mean it never happened, just I'm not aware it was available to you.  Certainly, my wife and all her Dutch social networking mates in the UK got theirs in days, they shared what they did and it just worked.  There was an issue with Android phones not working with the Home Office app, but we just shared an old iPhone around the group to get it done.  There was speculation it was the link between Apple and the US system that made it work and the UK Government weren't aware of the different operating systems behaving differently.

I recall many years ago before freedom of movement when we first married, we spent days camped outside the Croydon passport office to get her passport stamped; wouldn't have been so bad, but we were living in Gloucestershire and had my Army CO not gotten involved, we'd probably have still been there !!!!  Was common in the HM Forces community in the early '80s, many of us were married to non-UK nationals.
Cynic
The use of biometrics for immigration administration was used by the Home Office to validate all the EU citizens who chose to remain in the UK post-Brexit.  I downloaded an app to my wife's phone, and placed her passport on top of the phone, the app scanned the biometric data and 2 days later she had her "indefinite leave to remain" document delivered in the post.
- @Cynic

We applied online for the Mrs and didn't get anything back at all.   We just gave up.   I did e-mail them but no answer.  No response at all.  We had a reference number/acknowledgement and everything.
- @fluffy2560

Just to add, my son-in-law (Dutch), just got his notification that his indefinite leave to remain in the UK has been granted; he applied well after Brexit (just over a year ago) and found the Home Office very difficult to deal with and particularly thick on occasions.  My daughter had to step in and talk them through their own system a couple of times.  The days of professional Immigration Officials are long gone; you're dealing with students on zero-hour contracts who are just ticking boxes on computer screens; if the box isn't ticked, then the screen doesn't move on to the next bit.
fluffy2560
There was speculation it was the link between Apple and the US system that made it work and the UK Government weren't aware of the different operating systems behaving differently.

I recall many years ago before freedom of movement when we first married, we spent days camped outside the Croydon passport office to get her passport stamped; wouldn't have been so bad, but we were living in Gloucestershire and had my Army CO not gotten involved, we'd probably have still been there !!!!  Was common in the HM Forces community in the early '80s, many of us were married to non-UK nationals.
- @Cynic



Apple has a different security system to Android.    They should have known.

By Croydon,  you mean Lunar House.  I know it as I used to go to the shops in Croydon with my sister who lived relatively nearby. We'd pass it. It always had crowds outside hanging about.  It became infamous of all that was wrong with British immigration.
fluffy2560
Just to add, my son-in-law (Dutch), just got his notification that his indefinite leave to remain in the UK has been granted; he applied well after Brexit (just over a year ago) and found the Home Office very difficult to deal with and particularly thick on occasions.  My daughter had to step in and talk them through their own system a couple of times.  The days of professional Immigration Officials are long gone; you're dealing with students on zero-hour contracts who are just ticking boxes on computer screens; if the box isn't ticked, then the screen doesn't move on to the next bit.
- @Cynic

We stopped engaging on it.  We had a vague rationale that when the rush was over, it might get proper consideration but maybe it was one year ago, that there were still 500,000 applications in the queue.

We had uploaded everything via their web site. I might ask them what the situation actually is.

As the politics deteriorates here in Hungary, war wages next door and energy becomes hard to come by,   it would be worth having a way out.   The only place we could go to with equal accessibility for EU and UK nationals is Ireland.

Start of demonising EU, deteriorating politics here - Hungarian Lawmakers Move to Curb Power of EU-Parliament
SimCityAT

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And the Brexiteers are still saying it has nothing to with Brexit. Of cause it, there are more checks and the stamping of passports. But didn`t they want stronger border controls?
fluffy2560

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And the Brexiteers are still saying it has nothing to with Brexit. Of cause it, there are more checks and the stamping of passports. But didn`t they want stronger border controls?
- @SimCityAT

Been a few years since we did that journey.  But usually we did it the other way a month before (1 month difference in school holidays which helped with UK holiday pricing). 

But of course the UK was never in Schengen so always had passport checks.  However, the passport stamping is now mandatory because of Brexit.  EU needs to get its act together.  There's already no need for passport stamping at all but that's the EU regulation.  Presumably when the EU and UK travel authorisation comes in, there will be even less checking at the border.

If the UK ever  rejoined, then UK would be forced into Schengen and the Euro. I could live with Schengen but doubt the Euro will be acceptable at any time.  I cannot see any of the BoJo replacements talking about rejoining.  UK could join in on EU border controls only. 
SimCityAT

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And the Brexiteers are still saying it has nothing to with Brexit. Of cause it, there are more checks and the stamping of passports. But didn`t they want stronger border controls?
- @SimCityAT

Been a few years since we did that journey.  But usually we did it the other way a month before (1 month difference in school holidays which helped with UK holiday pricing). 

But of course the UK was never in Schengen so always had passport checks.  However, the passport stamping is now mandatory because of Brexit.  EU needs to get its act together.  There's already no need for passport stamping at all but that's the EU regulation.  Presumably when the EU and UK travel authorisation comes in, there will be even less checking at the border.

If the UK ever  rejoined, then UK would be forced into Schengen and the Euro. I could live with Schengen but doubt the Euro will be acceptable at any time.  I cannot see any of the BoJo replacements talking about rejoining.  UK could join in on EU border controls only. 
- @fluffy2560

The stamping of passports is coming to an end anyway, it will be digital soon. The other thing is customs checks, that why its taking longer, 
fluffy2560
The stamping of passports is coming to an end anyway, it will be digital soon. The other thing is customs checks, that why its taking longer,  - @SimCityAT

Police here require a stamp in your passport to show your immigration status.   That's why they want you to carry your passport at all times - I don't do that as it's too unwieldy.  In theory,  I could use my foreigner ID card instead but I haven't been stopped for years - last time was at least 10 years ago when I was in my car and pre-Brexit and then they checked my passport. It was a routine stop and a waste of time.   

Now I've got copies of my docs on my phone.  It's got everything they might need.

What they could do is use the passport number to see when the border was passed. It's technologically a no-brainer.

Customs check for tourists?  It's hardly a likely source of revenue evasion or smuggling of sausages, cream etc.  EU needs to turn down the dial a bit. Bonkers.
SimCityAT
Here you need to be able to an hour away from your passport. I don't carry mine, I have a copy of it on my phone, but I have never been stopped. But I have an Article 50 Card now so that will be fine.
fluffy2560
Here you need to be able to an hour away from your passport. I don't carry mine, I have a copy of it on my phone, but I have never been stopped. But I have an Article 50 Card now so that will be fine.
- @SimCityAT

I've got the Article 50 card too plus HU DL but we also have HU foreigner ID cards.  Makes me feel a bit insulted. Pre-Brexit, I never thought of myself truly as a foreigner in Hungary, we were all EU together with more or less equal rights - now we are guests with permission. 

We are supposed to carry ID with us at all times.  There are so many cards we have to carry, I usually carry copies, stuck in the back of my phone case.  I just risk it.   I also have digital copies stored on my phone.  I cannot see they need anything more than the index number if there was a stop.

I've just read the UK media indignation of having to prove 100 EUR a day spending capability for Spain.   This might spread.  I could see the UK retaliating on it if it became truly an obstacle.   Of course, UK media is hyping stuff up everyday - their bread and butter.
fluffy2560
OV is finding things a bit warmer these past days:


and as of this morning:


Not likely to make a lot of difference in the short term but thinking more and more this is creeping towards using various drivers for a positive HUexit.

Mrs Fluffy is very unhappy with OV as usual. 
Marilyn Tassy
I guess I'm a ,"criminal" becuase 99% of the time I carry no ID, no money and no keys...
Living dangerously!
My husband has his ID ect. and I figure I can take a chance since I'm not driving or getting into any other trouble.
Lately I just hate carrying anything in my hands or bringing a handbag. Not since someone tried to steal my bag.
I know we are suppose to carry our ID and passport at all times,I've only had to show my ID a few times on the train.
If I'm not travelin', I'm not carrying.
Now that I've brought it out in the open I'm sure I'll be stopped next time I'm out and asked for my papers.
Guest202225105

@fluffy2560 he's such a darling, isn't he!

fluffy2560
I guess I'm a ,"criminal" becuase 99% of the time I carry no ID, no money and no keys...
Living dangerously!
My husband has his ID ect. and I figure I can take a chance since I'm not driving or getting into any other trouble.
Lately I just hate carrying anything in my hands or bringing a handbag. Not since someone tried to steal my bag.
I know we are suppose to carry our ID and passport at all times,I've only had to show my ID a few times on the train.
If I'm not travelin', I'm not carrying.
Now that I've brought it out in the open I'm sure I'll be stopped next time I'm out and asked for my papers.
- @Marilyn Tassy

I feel the same, I'll take the risk.  It really depends what I'm doing.

Mrs F is usually with me and I can use her to act as a "bodyguard" in communications.  Like most Hungarians, she seems to be made of Teflon when dodging officialdom.  She told me it's because in ye olden days (like before mid-1990s/pre-1989) Hungarians get into a kind of empathic negotiation about being powerless in dumb situations caused by communism and this hangs over into bureaucracy nowadays.

I very  rarely take official ID if I'm walking the dog.  No point - not usually anyone there and usually only a short drive.  I take the copies in my back of my phone. And in any case, the dog already knows who I am.  I am sure her eyes are not very good but I reckon she can smell me from a mile away. 
fluffy2560

@fluffy2560 he's such a darling, isn't he!

- @Bian_ca6661

I wouldn't use the word Darling.  I'd use another word ending in "-head" and the first part referring to male anatomy.

Anyways, looks to me like he's lost the plot.  But that's the same every time a government is in power a long time - they get stagnant and run out of ideas.  Eventually it becomes creeping extremism, with more and more outlandish statements, turning the population against them and in the end having to go because of being a liability to the party.   Then it's the beginning of the end and the opposition will win.

Same nonsense is playing out in the UK right now.  But over there, the PM is in no way as dangerous as OV is.
Guest202225105

@fluffy2560 I didn't want to use bad language 1f62c.svg but he keeps scaring me more and more. Unfortunately we have our share of similar disillusioned MPs in SK 1f910.svg

fluffy2560

@fluffy2560 I didn't want to use bad language 1f62c.svg but he keeps scaring me more and more. Unfortunately we have our share of similar disillusioned MPs in SK 1f910.svg

- @Bian_ca6661

You can always use apply other phrases which are not bad language.   OV is a scary guy and a wannabe Putin mini-me.  Mrs F is really worried he wants to join up with Russia and we'd all be back to square one again.  I cannot see anyone here - yet - voting for HUexit.  People like their freedoms but the average Vidéki, well, anyone's guess.  Some of them sold their souls for bags of potatoes in elections previously.
Guest202225105

@fluffy2560 I'm on the same boat with Mrs Fluffy. He might have been ridiculous little man few years ago, but I worry that he crossed the line between being pitiful and dangerously disillusioned

robert1218
@Marilyn Tassy You are not a criminal by no means. Under local law if you have no identification. This has happened to me years ago when I was walking the dogs in the city park which is about 150 meters from where I live. If you are asked by the police, all you have to do is say is your name, birth date and mothers name.
They check that you are not on the "most wanted list" (joke) and if you are not than all is okay. If they want to fine you (as they can) all you have to say is something like, "please watch my dogs" and I will collect my identification. Which they will tell you have a good day. Having photo copies are okay in my view. As you do not want to lose your original documents.

Have a good Thursday.

Rob
fluffy2560
@Marilyn Tassy You are not a criminal by no means. Under local law if you have no identification. This has happened to me years ago when I was walking the dogs in the city park which is about 150 meters from where I live. If you are asked by the police, all you have to do is say is your name, birth date and mothers name.
They check that you are not on the "most wanted list" (joke) and if you are not than all is okay. If they want to fine you (as they can) all you have to say is something like, "please watch my dogs" and I will collect my identification. Which they will tell you have a good day. Having photo copies are okay in my view. As you do not want to lose your original documents.

Have a good Thursday.

Rob
- @robert1218

Pre-EU (like 1996), I was stopped in my UK car and they tested me for alcohol - it was zero.   I didn't have any documents with me but I had the secret weapon and anti-Hungarian BS shield, Mrs Fluffy.  She told them we could go home and they could come with us if they were really interested.  They immediately bid us farewell. Afterwards, we  came to the conclusion they wanted some money.   

I was stopped post-EU (maybe 2010) in my UK car again and they talked on the radio about the details - I had my passport - and then they said "Nincs" and bye and that was it!

Haven't been stopped since then but no longer have a UK car. 

But one has to be careful with cops.  Yesterday, at BUD airport, they tried to stamp my passport (no stamping required if in possession of a residence permit).  I had to interrupt and say,  "please don't do that!"  And he then said, "oh, sorry".   Could have caused me a lot of problems by not paying attention.  He'd have had to cancel it immediately.  Wish we could use the e-gates.
fluffy2560

@fluffy2560 I'm on the same boat with Mrs Fluffy. He might have been ridiculous little man few years ago, but I worry that he crossed the line between being pitiful and dangerously disillusioned

- @Bian_ca6661

Yes, he's becoming dangerous.  People we know who say they are "in the know" report he is mentally ill.  How they know we don't know for sure.  I expect he'll be in jail at some point - if he gets out, he and his cronies will lose their wealth.  His corruption and those of his mates seems to have no limits.  But people will want justice.  Just a replay of every other wannabe autocrat.

One thing I don't understand is how he thinks he can get gas from Russia when all the pipelines must pass through EU territory.  If upstream countries get cut off by Putler, then HU gets cut off too.
SimCityAT
@Marilyn Tassy You are not a criminal by no means. Under local law if you have no identification. This has happened to me years ago when I was walking the dogs in the city park which is about 150 meters from where I live. If you are asked by the police, all you have to do is say is your name, birth date and mothers name.
They check that you are not on the "most wanted list" (joke) and if you are not than all is okay. If they want to fine you (as they can) all you have to say is something like, "please watch my dogs" and I will collect my identification. Which they will tell you have a good day. Having photo copies are okay in my view. As you do not want to lose your original documents.

Have a good Thursday.

Rob
- @robert1218

Pre-EU (like 1996), I was stopped in my UK car and they tested me for alcohol - it was zero.   I didn't have any documents with me but I had the secret weapon and anti-Hungarian BS shield, Mrs Fluffy.  She told them we could go home and they could come with us if they were really interested.  They immediately bid us farewell. Afterwards, we  came to the conclusion they wanted some money.   

I was stopped post-EU (maybe 2010) in my UK car again and they talked on the radio about the details - I had my passport - and then they said "Nincs" and bye and that was it!

Haven't been stopped since then but no longer have a UK car. 

But one have to be careful with cops.  Yesterday, at BUD airport, they tried to stamp my passport (no stamping required if in possession of a residence permit).  I had to interrupt and say,  "please don't do that!"  And he then said, "oh, sorry".   Could have caused me a lot of problems by not paying attention.  He'd have had to cancel it immediately.  Wish we could use the e-gates.
- @fluffy2560

Even if he did stamp it would be no trouble, this has come from the Embassy.

That's a shame, we can use the Egates in Vienna and even use the EU lines.
fluffy2560
Even if he did stamp it would be no trouble, this has come from the Embassy.

That's a shame, we can use the Egates in Vienna and even use the EU lines.
- @SimCityAT
That's interesting.  It would probably be OK in Hungary direct arrivals but I don't trust the other EU states to understand anything at all - I'm highly suspicious of any transit across a Schengen border except HU. I am  concerned other countries won't recognise the PR card.  But if they did stamp it in HU, I would think they'd have to stamp it again to cancel the mistake.

We cannot use the e-gates at BUD. It says clearly only EU.  There are only two queue types - All Passports or EU. Yet here at LGW (Gatwick) (literally I'm here) there's a litany of nationalities that can use the e-gates incoming to the UK.  It's grossly unfair.

Perhaps, with BoJo out of the picture, one of these people - Rishi or Liz - can bring some rational thinking to this nonsense.  While I'm ineligible to vote (out of the country too long), I would have  to consider voting for Starmer. He's a technocrat so maybe he'll have  logic to his decisions instead of pandering to the Daily Mail readers.  I hope he'll try to reverse some of the Brexit damage once in power.     
SimCityAT
Even if he did stamp it would be no trouble, this has come from the Embassy.

That's a shame, we can use the Egates in Vienna and even use the EU lines.
- @SimCityAT



Perhaps, with BoJo out of the picture, one of these people - Rishi or Liz - can bring some rational thinking to this nonsense.  While I'm ineligible to vote (out of the country too long), I would have  to consider voting for Starmer. He's a technocrat so maybe he'll have  logic to his decisions instead of pandering to the Daily Mail readers.  I hope he'll try to reverse some of the Brexit damage once in power.     
- @fluffy2560

I doubt it, both are as bad as each other. Liz will win, then gawd help us.
fluffy2560
I doubt it, both are as bad as each other. Liz will win, then gawd help us.
- @SimCityAT

You're not wrong.

I am hoping for the best though. Perhaps a sign of madness having the same politicians and expecting a different result.

One upside to Liz is her support for Ukraine. Hopefully her advisers will keep her in line.

However, this morning I read the British Army continues to be decimated. Couldn't fight  much now as manpower is being reduced yet again and so much materiel is being shipped to Ukraine with little or no reserves left at home.  And no replenishment in progress. It's not all cyber warfare and drones. It needs eventually experienced boots on the ground.
Guest202225105

@fluffy2560 he probably expects the gas being transported by unicorns in his parallel reality.

Guest202225105

@fluffy2560 why can't you get a stamp in your passport? I haven't heard about that. Is it due to Brexit?

fluffy2560

@fluffy2560 he probably expects the gas being transported by unicorns in his parallel reality.

- @Bian_ca6661

Haha!

Are these the same unicorns and sunlit uplands people were sold in support of Brexit?

I was thinking the parliamentarians could have adapted atmospheric controls in the  HU rubber stamping chamber, sorry I meant debating chamber.  This could collect all the waste they produce gassing on about this, that and the other.

I'm seriously expecting some OV supporters to suggest flying the gas in! 

They could use appropriately modified hot air balloons.
SimCityAT

@fluffy2560 why can't you get a stamp in your passport? I haven't heard about that. Is it due to Brexit?

- @Bian_ca6661

The problem is, if you are a frequent traveller your passport fill up quickly, but yes this is due to Brexit. Any tourist coming from the UK will have their passport stamped entering and leaving. Us Brits that have residency in the EU shouldn't, but its up to the official at the gate.
SimCityAT
I hear Viktor Orbán is visiting Vienna today, will have to catch the news later to see what he has been up to.
fluffy2560

@fluffy2560 why can't you get a stamp in your passport? I haven't heard about that. Is it due to Brexit?

- @Bian_ca6661

Yes, RP (Residence Permit) holders do not have to have their passports stamped.  There's a limit to the number of days British people (without an RP) can spend in the EU. It's 90 days in any 180 days.  So if they stamp the passport, then they expect to see entry/exit stamps to calculate how long you've been in.  The EU will introduce the Entry-Exit scheme soon to replace the rubber stamps. The ETAIS system for non-EU/EEA nationals arrives end of 2023. RP holders should not have to deal with that but it seems not entirely clear if it all applies in some other way. 

There's a lot of reporting in the media recently about visitors to Spain being asked to prove they have the financial resources to enter the EU at a Schengen border - return tickets, proof of accommodation and blah-blah. 

Only  yesterday, one of my US friends, legally resident in Bulgaria with full documentation was asked to produce this load of paperwork in Croatia.  That's despite having an RP.  There are lots of other problems like being forced to stay in-country and not travel abroad for long periods.   

In HU's case, I think I cannot spend more than 1 or 3 months abroad in a year (I forget the exact number).  It's a silly business of the UK's own making and the EU is not going to let the UK off the hook.   There are reports of international (EU) families being split because of all this.  The article is here.
fluffy2560
I hear Viktor Orbán is visiting Vienna today, will have to catch the news later to see what he has been up to.
- @SimCityAT

Can you keep him there? 

Or push him in the Danube to make his own  way back.
Guest202225105

@fluffy2560 that sounds as loads of bureaucracy and complications even for simple trip abroad 1f611.svg thank you for the link, this managed to slip my attention completely

Guest202225105

@fluffy2560 but I guess they'd have to be "russian" balloons cause obviously anything produced in "dirty West" is not good for this sort of "leaders" (dare I say to call them that!)

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