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We noticed over a month ago that our local Aldi is not longer putting their weekly flyers out in the store.
Lidl still has them inside the store.
Getting the weekly flyers in the building hasn't been happening for ages in our building.
My husband says the same thing about the stores not wanting to be held to their prices by putting it in writting.
It's fine with me, I used to see one or two items in limited sales , go in and buy half the store instead of just the sale items.
They really are cutting their own throats not having the flyers out.
I now only go in when I actually need something.
We also recycled the flyer paper... I mean my husband did, not going to even mention how he uses it!! Mr. practical.
-@Marilyn Tassy

I can imagine about the flyer paper.

I'm of an age where I remember newspaper being used those purposes but usually in an outhouse with natural disposal, not inside with modern plumbing fixtures and downstream waste management.

I don't think we'd do that now with flyers, it'd block up the pipes.

I go to some less developed countries and I am usually surprised by those buckets they leave there to collect the paper.

Have they never heard of macerators?

(just in case: Macerators are built in chopping machines that break up materials before it goes into the sewers. Macerators also allows the use of small diameter pipes - less effort to pump broken up solids?)
-@fluffy2560

I guess I left allot to the imgination... No just yesterday I told my husband,"We be rich" we bought another 24 pack of TP. I suppose that would make a stock ,"pile" of nealry 80 rolls in the flat!!

At those prices we are lucky we don't get mugged carrying it in!

No he likes to line the WC with flyers, saves me allot of nasty cleaning. Those old crazy Hungarian toilet bowls...

Examination bowls...

The flyers are also handy for linning bird and small pet cages.

We sometimes were forced to use newspaper for personal business when my mother was single and supporting 5 people with her little factory job.

Just sometimes at the end of the month...

No. I may be able to purchase hundreds of rolls at once but I'll never forget the old newspaper days, keeps one humble.

I guess I left allot to the imgination... No just yesterday I told my husband,"We be rich" we bought another 24 pack of TP. I suppose that would make a stock ,"pile" of nealry 80 rolls in the flat!!
At those prices we are lucky we don't get mugged carrying it in!
No he likes to line the WC with flyers, saves me allot of nasty cleaning. Those old crazy Hungarian toilet bowls...
Examination bowls...
The flyers are also handy for linning bird and small pet cages.
We sometimes were forced to use newspaper for personal business when my mother was single and supporting 5 people with her little factory job.
Just sometimes at the end of the month...
No. I may be able to purchase hundreds of rolls at once but I'll never forget the old newspaper days, keeps one humble.
-@Marilyn Tassy

Ah the inspection toilets. I think it's a German thing. I first came across them there. It's quite rare to see them nowadays. The Middle Eastern style I've seen further East in the Balkans but it's not that common as far as I remember. They are truly dreadful. Heaven help someone with weak leg muscles or other infirmity.

I use those flyers for all sorts, like mopping up oil, putting them down to collect paint drips etc. I'm using some right now for metal bracket I made and I spray painted yesterday.  They should really make them more absorbent. It would be more eco-responsible that people can recycle them. 

I've started putting clean cardboard in my compost heap as it adds carbon. Seems to be working quite well. I am always suspicious about any inks and glue but I'm thinking the inks are vegetable based. The glued bits as more dodgy so I rip off and dispose of in the normal waste.

"Being rich" is a variable and relative concept.  Our neighbour went to Kenya on holiday and was in a conversation with a local who said she was rich because she had 2 dogs.  In  my own country, just a few years ago (before all the crises, Brexit and so on),  the minimum for being on the edge of poor is a dog, a house, probably an old car, at least 2 flat-screen TVs, a mobile phone and the Internet.  It's changed  now, people don't have enough food and cannot feed their kids.  Not sure what is classified as poor here - minimum wage is about 250K HUF a month I understand.

IDK what rich is... I've seen people who have allot of material possesions but are poor spiritually.

Believe me , in Vegas the waste really got to me when I first started my job.

After awhile I realized those braggers and wasters were lost souls who had nothing better to do then toss money about and try to impress strangers. Sad souls.

Hate to admit it but it was a sort of strange high to get their money and take it away with a smile on my face...They clearly could afford to lose.

Strange job to get paid to take away money...

I once had a BF who's mom had out a photo of him as a child on a horse. I told him,my mom has a photo like that of me on a horse too.

He couldn't control the snob in him and said, yes, but that was my own horse when I had ridding lessons, Oh so posh, I had to dump him, no way can I have anything to do with a snob even if they like me.He wanted to get married even but I knew in my soul it wouldn't be fair to myself. Always hearing about how lucky I was to be excepted by his wealthy family etc.

We might of been raised working class American but we have our ,"pride" as mom would often say.

My husband said in Italy in the reguee camp he lived in they had those "standing room only" toilets. I thought the same thing, how does a weak legged person deal with that??

My son in Japan has one of those fancy do it all Japanese style toilets in his flat. Heated seat, bidet combo thing.

My Japanese DIL put cloth seat covers on her toilet in Vegas. Very odd to me, I didn't dare use her toilet, I'd head upstairs to our WC. Just strange to sit on someone else's personal tolet seat cover...

250 K a month isn't much to live on even with 2 peple making that much.

It seem lately we are taking that much out of the ATM all the time and still not noticing where it went.

This flyer paper post got me thinking...

TP, the insanity of a TP shortage during covid in the US etc.

I know when we were children people would have so much TP that they would TP homes.

Just a childhood prank really, wrap TP around a persons home and spray water on to make it messy to remove.

Reserved for ones arch enemy...

Groom of the stools, what a title.

Made me think of Father Yod and his ,"Bowl Beauties".

Father Yod of the Family Source cult.

There is a Hungarian connection with them in Hawaii...

I used to pass the Soruce restaurant in Hollywwood when I was a teen living with my older sister.

Always thought they looked nuts in their white long robes with rich people eating on the patio where anyone walking by could see them.

Later when I lived with a friend in Hollywood we knew a couple who's roommate was from Scotland and a memeber of the Family Source. He worked in the health food restaruant and wore those weird long white robes and love beads with sandels.

A real strange dude.

Well when Father Yod moved the family to Hawaii he really went off the deep end.

Story was that he had a bevy of beauties who incouraged him every day with his toilet dudies...

They praised him as he did his business and even helped him by doing all the 'Heavy lifting" for him so to speak, yuck!!

The laides sat around him as he was sitting and telling him how great he was and he could do it etc.

Not sure why he didn't eat more fiber instead?

Doubt the royal job of groom of the stools was that intense.

And Vista. Gone and long forgotten - praise be.

Yeah - praise be.

As the joke goes - famous last sentence:

• No, NO, I don't want windows based life support system!!!

My current Linux box runs Raspian (essentially Debian) as it's a Raspberry Pi. I've tried a few of those Linux versions and I'm sticking with Raspbian for now. What a fantastic bit of kit the Raspberry Pi is. Cheap as anything - almost a throwaway. I can run all sorts on there and it works perfectly. I am using it with Drupal at the moment for a little project I was considering. I planned to use it stream movies or to overlay real time weather data over my weathercam picture feed. I just haven't gotten around to doing it as busy with my real work.  I have so many home projects going on right now.

Windows 11 is currently a nightmare to install on older kit. There are some installation hidden switches which supposedly can force the install to ignore things like the security chip, memory limitations and so on. I tried it on an old machine and the switches don't work well. Windows 11 looks like another M$ scam.
-@fluffy2560

Among the debian based ones only a few which primary for the everyday user, like Ubunto, MX linux,

But it is mostly suitable for geeks and admin-development / even for servers.

A few years back I also did think about a little "corner": Raspberry + FreeBSD.

Actually I have no intent to even try out win11.

Actually win10 considered a spyware, and preferably offline only and as it seems 11 just worse.

Have they never heard of macerators?

(just in case: Macerators are built in chopping machines that break up materials before it goes into the sewers. Macerators also allows the use of small diameter pipes - less effort to pump broken up solids?)
-@fluffy2560

Sadly for example I have grinding toilet.

That is a nightmare - would be much better a triple sized pipe.

Last time it went wrong that was lucky: because the old professional was able to convince a factory to make an old piece what they do not produce for years.

But without that that would be a full reconstruction of the whole toilet block and about 800 - 1200 Euros cost.

"Being rich" is a variable and relative concept. Our neighbour went to Kenya on holiday and was in a conversation with a local who said she was rich because she had 2 dogs. In my own country, just a few years ago (before all the crises, Brexit and so on), the minimum for being on the edge of poor is a dog, a house, probably an old car, at least 2 flat-screen TVs, a mobile phone and the Internet. It's changed now, people don't have enough food and cannot feed their kids. Not sure what is classified as poor here - minimum wage is about 250K HUF a month I understand.
-@fluffy2560

Actually back in 2013 - 2014 when I lived in the UK considered myself rich because was able to solve mostly my shopping from 25 - 50 GBP per week.

Like:

• Paracetamol (20X500 mg) from Boots: 12 pence
• Bagett from Morrisons in closing time: 8 pence
• Instant coffee as sainsbury's basics: cc. 20 pence
• Average nice quality biscuit (1 kg): 1 GBP
• 2 headsets in One GBP Market for: 1 GBP
• DVD movies from a charity shop: 50 pence

As just some what I do remember.

So in many regard it was more than affordable for a conscious consumer who was ready to walk/ visit multiple places and does not care about status.

Because the reason natives spent much: status/ uppish attitude, like buy a brand (while there are minimal difference in quality), or "How dare you! Do you think I buy a second hand product?? No will buy the new!" attitude - eg. status.

Sure there were products which were insanely expensive, like: pork/ beef, tobacco, etc...

As for funny thing: LARD. I did search for two weeks untill find multiple sources, because in many shops that was simply not present at all.

But overall in the UK in that time I was able to shop cc. in the same manner for 1/5 price as it would cost in Hungary - one of the reason why I consider this country a colony.

---

At Hungary in 2023 the minimum wage is 154 270 Huf (for full time work)

For the "unemployed" public worker (enforced to take a job from jobcenter - as cc. slave work): 77.135 Huf per month

The "ready for work" benefit for the 18 - 60 years old: 22.800 Huf PER month yes (what they lose if don0t take the slave work wage regulary as public worker)

@Marilyn Tassy

I hate snobs/ uppish/ entitled/ gold digger people too.

Same goes for many of the self-made became quickly rich ones.

As a matter of fact I did start my life as very rich - well as by local strandards.

Even before the "iron curtain" fall we had: 6 - 8 televisons, 4 VHS players, 4 fridges, 5.000 books library, a two floors penthouse, etc... Also virtually anything which said to the world (in the fucked up way): that we are rich.

So as a kid I had nearly constant fights with my mother: no, I will not wear XY clothes just because those are expensive, nor will attend to tennis/ golf course just because that is what rich people should do, and an endless line of similar fights/ resistance.

Even as a kid that felt uppish/ wrong and stupid - and I did kept the same attitude.

Up to date my role models are people who are not: snobs/ uppish/ stupid consumers, like Mark Zuckerberg in the sense of how much he spends on onesellf (like: as billionare buy noname brand T shirt), or any Russian oligarch who say: yes kiddo, we are able to do that (even a full golden toilet): but WILL NOT. The ones who educate heirs for an empire, instead of uppist trust-fund hedonist playboys to waste away their heritage.

Also history did prove my point:

Mother became rich quicly, even more rich in the early 90's, but what comes relative easy can go even more easily, and we were completely broke by the end of 90's: everything wasted away in a stupid manner to upkeep a lavish lifestyle and the guise of wealth.

To be honest I am very glad for my life to was able to experience the full range from wealthy till proletariat, what worth what, how people live, and what are the important things/ how stupid/ pointless to even try to impress outsiders.

Also experiences are the reason why I always refused to live in a buble.

-@SimCityAT

I'm surprised it's lasted this long.  After mucking up Brexit, nothing would surprise me.

Actually back in 2013 - 2014 when I lived in the UK considered myself rich because was able to solve mostly my shopping from 25 - 50 GBP per week.

Like:
Paracetamol (20X500 mg) from Boots: 12 pence
Bagett from Morrisons in closing time: 8 pence
Instant coffee as sainsbury's basics: cc. 20 pence
Average nice quality biscuit (1 kg): 1 GBP
2 headsets in One GBP Market for: 1 GBP
DVD movies from a charity shop: 50 pence

As just some what I do remember.
So in many regard it was more than affordable for a conscious consumer who was ready to walk/ visit multiple places and does not care about status.
Because the reason natives spent much: status/ uppish attitude, like buy a brand (while there are minimal difference in quality), or "How dare you! Do you think I buy a second hand product?? No will buy the new!" attitude - eg. status.

Sure there were products which were insanely expensive, like: pork/ beef, tobacco, etc...
As for funny thing: LARD. I did search for two weeks untill find multiple sources, because in many shops that was simply not present at all.

But overall in the UK in that time I was able to shop cc. in the same manner for 1/5 price as it would cost in Hungary - one of the reason why I consider this country a colony.

---
At Hungary in 2023 the minimum wage is 154 270 Huf (for full time work)
For the "unemployed" public worker (enforced to take a job from jobcenter - as cc. slave work): 77.135 Huf per month
The "ready for work" benefit for the 18 - 60 years old: 22.800 Huf PER month yes (what they lose if don0t take the slave work wage regulary as public worker)
-@sjbabilon5

I can tell you that in 2023 a packet of 16 paracetamol in UK Lidl costs 32p (a packet of 16 is the maximum size you can buy in a supermarket). Poundland sells 3 packets of Ibuprofen for £1 - they don't sell paracetamol now because some pharmacy busybodies thinks if you pile it up on the shelf at low cost, people will use it to kill themselves. Lidl doesn't seem to mind so much about that but limits you to two packets. So you have to go around multiple times if you want more than 2 packets.

A ready meal in Lidl - like a curry - costs about £3.

Don't know about the rest. 

We were in Lidl, Aldi, Eurofamily and Tesco yesterday and tomatoes were both shocking in quality, price and availability (like HUF 1700/kg). Really expensive for not very nice stuff. The quality has dropped. I bought some ginger in Aldi about a week ago and when I tried to use it, only about 1/2 of it was usable.  As that was here, I cannot blame that on Brexit.

Probably not finding Lard would be healthier than finding it. It'll block your arteries faster than an Aldi flyer blocks a toilet.

Maybe the minimum wage I was quoting is the cost of employment to an employer - I asked Mrs F as she knows everything.  She said the net amount for an office worker dealing with paperwork is about 250K HUF/month and randomly mentioned a pest controller is about 500K HUF a month.

Yeah - praise be.

As the joke goes - famous last sentence:
No, NO, I don't want windows based life support system!!!


Among the debian based ones only a few which primary for the everyday user, like Ubunto, MX linux,
But it is mostly suitable for geeks and admin-development / even for servers.

A few years back I also did think about a little "corner": Raspberry + FreeBSD.

Actually I have no intent to even try out win11.
Actually win10 considered a spyware, and preferably offline only and as it seems 11 just worse.
-@sjbabilon5

Imagine you bought a car and the salesperson told you the wheels might fall off. That would be unacceptable. But that's Windows for you! Talk about lock-in and impossibility of self repair.

I am watching a guy on YouTube who does independent repairs to Teslas. It's like an extreme form of protectionism. Apple is another one. You can buy the product but you don't really own it and they won't sell you spare parts. Right to repair is coming to the EU though, but what it will look like, no idea.

At least with Linux you can do whatever you want. I'm forced to use Windows as I have to use all that M$ stuff for work purposes. Libre Office doesn't cut it.

Anyway, I can recommend getting a Raspberry Pi. They are cheap, have nice features and give you a foothold in that world - even plays HD movies rather well. I use mine with old leftover screens and keyboards.

M$ is just after your data in W11. It's possible to block a lot in W10 but it's a tit-for-tat war that never ends. Things like Teams is uninstallable in W11 and there's no way to disable them trying to shove it down your throat via their "gestures" feature. They go on about TikTok grabbing user data for use in China, but they never say anything about M$ doing the same. 

Unfortunately, M$ has decided Windows is an extension of social media and the entire thing should be subscription based. Eventually there won't be any other way to get that stuff.  Perhaps someone will try and break up M$ in order to create more consumer choice - force them to sell M$ Office. I can see the same happening to Android, being split off from Google.

M$ - under his eye.

And definitely in your face.

Last weekend we bought fresh ginger from a regular vendor at an outdoor farmers market.  These guys are always there but with different items every weekend.I wanted to pass but at 500 forints per kilo my husband had us get about 1/3 kilo.

The guys cut a few peices in front of us to show it was still good. I mix it with fresh aloe vera in a juice or make fresh ginger tea with it.

Today we picked some peppers( Like Peter Piper) but decided to pass at 1,990 per kilo at the farmers market.

The market prices are almost and sometimes more then Tesco or Aldi.

The market was packed with shoppers, mostly old ladies with their shopping trolleys about tripping people.

Nice day for a walk and shop combo.

Saw one guy lugging around his purchase. Wanted to find out the price when I passed the vender he must of bought it from. He was carrying around a huge package of TP, like 50 or 60 rolls!

I told my husband joking that he was going to be my guy, he must be rich with so much TP!!

Actaully some of the paper vendors were asking more then Tesco for paper products.

I swear it seems we hit all the stores every few days for one or two items.

Think at our older age, shopping counts as going out?

It's good they cut the ginger to show it was all good.  I am still annoyed with the ginger I got from Aldi.  But I've eaten it all.

Quality seems to have dropped everywhere. The only upside I've seen is the fuel price is converging somewhat on the previous subsidised price of 480 HUF. It's a tad under 600 HUF for petrol now at the Aldi automatic station, diesel a bit more.

TP is one of those things people stockpile when things might seem to be going wrong. Makes you wonder how we ever managed without proper plumbing and clean water. I guess we should ask the people of Eastern Ukraine how to manage after getting used to properly deliveerd services. Clean water is really hard to find in some countries. I think it's only going to get worse with global warming. Maybe the Earth will turn into a desert like Mars.

For some people, shopping is going out. I do it myself. Mrs F does the shopping mostly on the way back from work. Sometimes I go with her or we meet up there to look at things like tools or specials at Aldi or Lidl.

Aldi do quite good tools sometimes - I notice builders using them. Aldi should open a tools and DIY and leisure shop. They have one at Balaton (near Szantod) during the summer - they put up a tent in their large car park and sell things like inflatable dolphins and chainsaws etc from the tent, not in the main store.

I still have a tiny bit of ginger from 2 weeks ago, think I'll tos sit out. It was OK, not the freshest but at 500 per kilo it wasn't a bad deal.

I added honey and cinnamon to make tea with it.

A good anti-inflamatory drink.

We hardly bought anything from the weekend farmers market, the quality was not great and the prices were too high for what they had.

My husband was joking that he should ask for the winning lottery tickets because sometimes what he invisions comes true. At the swap-meet area of the market we cruised around looking at bick-brac. He said I want to find a juicing machine. We had one but it was an old model from my MIL and I threw it out, such a hassle to clean it . Well as soon as he said he wanted to find a replacement juicer we found one. I spent a long while scrubbing and scrpaiing but it's brand new looking now,The screen is good, in perfect order. The guy selling it didn't even know what it was. He thought it was a meat slicer. He gave it away for 1,200 forints. At that price we took a chance and didn't even plug it in to see if it worked or not. It works, now to buy some juicing veggies...

Aldi was selling small thin cucumbers for 699 each!!! That's just insane.

Did buy some really sweet oranges for a super deal, 200 frints per kilo.

We never seem to buy enough of the deals. We are always afraid they may not be fresh and often it can go eiether way.

I will not long buy avacads from the market. I had to throw away 2,000 forints worth once. Best place is either Aldi or Lidl for avacados. Sometimes the one vendor in Lehal has nice ones for reasonable but you can't count on it.

I need my avacado fix in the mornings...

We only eat 2 times a day so we try to make the most of it, no junk food.

I haven't bought items like crackers or chips in many months now.

It's tempting but it's all junk.

My husband wants to lose a few kilos and I need to keep my weight from going down .

Oh, we did buy a 5 kilo bag of potatoes for 1,300 forints at the market. They are nice, firm and sweet ones no spots on them.

I was off pototes for awhile but will finish these up and go back to my buckwheat and millet again.

It's a good time to think abut making potatoe pancakes while I have so many potaotes.

I still have a tiny bit of ginger from 2 weeks ago, think I'll tos sit out. It was OK, not the freshest but at 500 per kilo it wasn't a bad deal.
I added honey and cinnamon to make tea with it.
A good anti-inflamatory drink.
We hardly bought anything from the weekend farmers market, the quality was not great and the prices were too high for what they had.
My husband was joking that he should ask for the winning lottery tickets because sometimes what he invisions comes true. At the swap-meet area of the market we cruised around looking at bick-brac. He said I want to find a juicing machine. We had one but it was an old model from my MIL and I threw it out, such a hassle to clean it . Well as soon as he said he wanted to find a replacement juicer we found one. I spent a long while scrubbing and scrpaiing but it's brand new looking now,The screen is good, in perfect order. The guy selling it didn't even know what it was. He thought it was a meat slicer. He gave it away for 1,200 forints. At that price we took a chance and didn't even plug it in to see if it worked or not. It works, now to buy some juicing veggies...
Aldi was selling small thin cucumbers for 699 each!!! That's just insane.
Did buy some really sweet oranges for a super deal, 200 frints per kilo.
We never seem to buy enough of the deals. We are always afraid they may not be fresh and often it can go eiether way.
I will not long buy avacads from the market. I had to throw away 2,000 forints worth once. Best place is either Aldi or Lidl for avacados. Sometimes the one vendor in Lehal has nice ones for reasonable but you can't count on it.
I need my avacado fix in the mornings...
We only eat 2 times a day so we try to make the most of it, no junk food.
I haven't bought items like crackers or chips in many months now.
It's tempting but it's all junk.
My husband wants to lose a few kilos and I need to keep my weight from going down .
Oh, we did buy a 5 kilo bag of potatoes for 1,300 forints at the market. They are nice, firm and sweet ones no spots on them.
I was off pototes for awhile but will finish these up and go back to my buckwheat and millet again.
It's a good time to think abut making potatoe pancakes while I have so many potaotes.
-@Marilyn Tassy

The cucumber price is truly shocking.   One of our number is addicted to cucumbers.  They need to move on to potato pancakes or potato something.   I quite like potato, leek and smoked ham soup made with smoked ham stock cubes.  I might make some tomorrow - if there are any leeks at the supermarkets.  I could have a look later for leeks as I will have to go out. 

Looks like have to go to Obi again for more electrical bits.  One of our movement sensors has gone bonkers and our old codger of a neighbour says our lights are always on and it's affecting his ability to sleep.  My response first thought he will be sleeping permanently soon as his health is quite dodgy.  If we wait long enough, we won't have to bother doing anything.  He's the nasty neighbour we had a dispute with over our boundary so I think it's about that, not about the light power.   But I've agreed to lower the bulb power and to replace the sensor.   But it'll take me a week as I'm busy with other stuff. 

We've got a juicer here but like yours, it's really difficult to clean.  You need a Ph.D in "cleaning stupidly designed machines" to get it cleaned up. It can go in the dishwasher but even that doesn't get into the nooks and crannies of the machine.  And dishwashers are quite abrasive. Must be the salt.  We also have an electric lemon squeezer which works quite well and is easy to clean.  We have several other relatively new machines which are not dishwasher safe - plastic will melt.   No-one makes machines which don't go in the dishwasher these days. Really weird - designers missed easy cleaning/dishwasher school that day.

Actually back in 2013 - 2014 when I lived in the UK considered myself rich because was able to solve mostly my shopping from 25 - 50 GBP per week.

Like:
Paracetamol (20X500 mg) from Boots: 12 pence
Bagett from Morrisons in closing time: 8 pence
Instant coffee as sainsbury's basics: cc. 20 pence
Average nice quality biscuit (1 kg): 1 GBP
2 headsets in One GBP Market for: 1 GBP
DVD movies from a charity shop: 50 pence

As just some what I do remember.
So in many regard it was more than affordable for a conscious consumer who was ready to walk/ visit multiple places and does not care about status.
Because the reason natives spent much: status/ uppish attitude, like buy a brand (while there are minimal difference in quality), or "How dare you! Do you think I buy a second hand product?? No will buy the new!" attitude - eg. status.

Sure there were products which were insanely expensive, like: pork/ beef, tobacco, etc...
As for funny thing: LARD. I did search for two weeks untill find multiple sources, because in many shops that was simply not present at all.

But overall in the UK in that time I was able to shop cc. in the same manner for 1/5 price as it would cost in Hungary - one of the reason why I consider this country a colony.

---
At Hungary in 2023 the minimum wage is 154 270 Huf (for full time work)
For the "unemployed" public worker (enforced to take a job from jobcenter - as cc. slave work): 77.135 Huf per month
The "ready for work" benefit for the 18 - 60 years old: 22.800 Huf PER month yes (what they lose if don0t take the slave work wage regulary as public worker)
-@sjbabilon5


I can tell you that in 2023 a packet of 16 paracetamol in UK Lidl costs 32p (a packet of 16 is the maximum size you can buy in a supermarket). Poundland sells 3 packets of Ibuprofen for £1 - they don't sell paracetamol now because some pharmacy busybodies thinks if you pile it up on the shelf at low cost, people will use it to kill themselves. Lidl doesn't seem to mind so much about that but limits you to two packets. So you have to go around multiple times if you want more than 2 packets.

A ready meal in Lidl - like a curry - costs about £3.

Don't know about the rest.

We were in Lidl, Aldi, Eurofamily and Tesco yesterday and tomatoes were both shocking in quality, price and availability (like HUF 1700/kg). Really expensive for not very nice stuff. The quality has dropped. I bought some ginger in Aldi about a week ago and when I tried to use it, only about 1/2 of it was usable. As that was here, I cannot blame that on Brexit.

Probably not finding Lard would be healthier than finding it. It'll block your arteries faster than an Aldi flyer blocks a toilet.

Maybe the minimum wage I was quoting is the cost of employment to an employer - I asked Mrs F as she knows everything. She said the net amount for an office worker dealing with paperwork is about 250K HUF/month and randomly mentioned a pest controller is about 500K HUF a month.
-@fluffy2560

Looks like in cc. 10 years things changed in the paracetamol front.

Tomato probably come from Spain - as usual.

I use lard for nearly everything.

A litre of cooking oil last for me usually a half to one year - because used so rarely (for mirelit products/ "bundáskenyér").

The cost of employment to an employer for someone on minimal wage: 262.160 Huf that's correct.

The cucumber price is truly shocking.  One of our number is addicted to cucumbers. They need to move on to potato pancakes or potato something.  I quite like potato, leek and smoked ham soup made with smoked ham stock cubes. I might make some tomorrow - if there are any leeks at the supermarkets. I could have a look later for leeks as I will have to go out.
-@fluffy2560

There are Leeks around because we bought some on Saturday at Lidl for a soup.

M$ is just after your data in W11. It's possible to block a lot in W10 but it's a tit-for-tat war that never ends. Things like Teams is uninstallable in W11 and there's no way to disable them trying to shove it down your throat via their "gestures" feature. They go on about TikTok grabbing user data for use in China, but they never say anything about M$ doing the same.

Unfortunately, M$ has decided Windows is an extension of social media and the entire thing should be subscription based. Eventually there won't be any other way to get that stuff. Perhaps someone will try and break up M$ in order to create more consumer choice - force them to sell M$ Office. I can see the same happening to Android, being split off from Google.

M$ - under his eye.

-@fluffy2560

The win10 already is a spyware and does not worth the constant war against the OS.

So remained up to date offline - in that way for sure cannot send anything to big tech data centre.

Android and Apple are off course the same.

Actually any Apple device can (and often does) send ALL photos from the device to the cloud without user permission and users can delete just from the device not from the data centre.

Basically for any modern device/ "service" provider are data collectors.

As for me I use like old GSM, nothing smartphone-spyphone touchscreen device.

M$ - under his eye.

-@fluffy2560

The win10 already is a spyware and does not worth the constant war against the OS.
So remained up to date offline - in that way for sure cannot send anything to big tech data centre.
Android and Apple are of course the same.

Actually any Apple device can (and often does) send ALL photos from the device to the cloud without user permission and users can delete just from the device not from the data centre.

Basically for any modern device/ "service" provider are data collectors.
As for me I use like old GSM, nothing smartphone-spyphone touchscreen device.
-@sjbabilon5

"his eye" is Bill Gates and other assorted tech owners.  I borrowed that from A Handmaid's Tale.

I wage a war every day on W10. I disable the bits of Javascript I don't like - I eliminate pop ups and so on. That stupid cookie reminder is relatively easy to defeat. 

Google is the same. The default is to upload all the Android pictures to their cloud storage.  Then you have to actively download them, delete them and try and disable the feature. The next time you do an update, it will be all set back again to defaults.  What annoys me is that it uses up all your data allowances. They should be paying the end user.

Unfortunately, smartphone is impossible to ignore. I use mine for Internet banking and my phone has a fingerprint reader. Not going to work on an old Nokia type phone. In any case, no-one calls me by phone except Mrs F and my Dad. Everyone else calls in Skype, WhatsApp etc.

I used to work on Apple products sometimes but I abandoned it as there are very few upgrade paths that work well. All their stuff is very proprietary like their connectors etc. I won't buy stuff like that. I still have my iPhone 3 and it still works. It's used as an emergency phone if one of our smartphones dies.

The cost of employment to an employer for someone on minimal wage: 262.160 Huf that's correct.
-@sjbabilon5

yes, Mrs F confirmed that.

The cucumber price is truly shocking. One of our number is addicted to cucumbers. They need to move on to potato pancakes or potato something. I quite like potato, leek and smoked ham soup made with smoked ham stock cubes. I might make some tomorrow - if there are any leeks at the supermarkets. I could have a look later for leeks as I will have to go out.
-@fluffy2560

There are Leeks around because we bought some on Saturday at Lidl for a soup.
-@SimCityAT

Ham, potato and leek soup by any chance?

I've tried this one before. I've found the ham stock cubes (not as smokey as I remembered them to be).  But those are the ones to use. Smoked ham, diced is good. Nice smokey taste is needed really - I could put in a dash of smoked paprika. An add on is to buy two leeks, one goes in the soup, the other one gets fried to make crispy leeks to sprinkle on top. Getting them crispy is a challenge.

Mrs F has been experimenting with clotted cream as I mentioned it goes nicely on scones. Her first attempt isn't bad. Not quite the same as you would get in Devon or Cornwall but for here, not too bad at all.

The cucumber price is truly shocking. One of our number is addicted to cucumbers. They need to move on to potato pancakes or potato something. I quite like potato, leek and smoked ham soup made with smoked ham stock cubes. I might make some tomorrow - if there are any leeks at the supermarkets. I could have a look later for leeks as I will have to go out.
-@fluffy2560

There are Leeks around because we bought some on Saturday at Lidl for a soup.
-@SimCityAT

Ham, potato and leek soup by any chance?

I've tried this one before. We have some ham stock cubes so those are the ones to use. Smoked ham, diced as good. Nice smokey taste is needed. An add on is to buy two leeks, one goes in the soup, the other one gets fried to make crispy leeks to sprinkle on top.

Mrs F has been experimenting with clotted cream as I mentioned it goes nicely on scones. Her first attempt isn't bad. Not quite the same as you would get in Devon or Cornwall but for here, not too bad at all.
-@fluffy2560

More of a stew really, don't like to waste food so put leftover veg in a pot with stock cubes. Had some ham so cut it into cubes and that went in.

More of a stew really, don't like to waste food so put leftover veg in a pot with stock cubes. Had some ham so cut it into cubes and that went in.
-@SimCityAT

Nice!

What my mother used to call "mixed up soup".

Mrs F finds it weird to mix up different stuff like say curry and goulash.

It sometimes works really well. 

Yesterday lunch time I had mulligatawny (curry) soup with left over pasta.

Very fusion.

As of this morning, one leek in Aldi is 399 HUF.

Bought 3 of them from the box underneath the ones on display which looked a bit "old".

Quite pricey for ordinary leeks which are really just funny onions.

As of this morning, one leek in Aldi is 399 HUF.
Bought 3 of them from the box underneath the ones on display which looked a bit "old".

Quite pricey for ordinary leeks which are really just funny onions.
-@fluffy2560

This past weekend we bought 3 leeks for 200 forints at the farmers market.

Bosnia Ter.

Open partly on Fridays and fully open on Saturdays.

Pot and pans new, sheets,carpets and table cloth vendors, at the back end they have used items and in the front  it's mixed with new and used items.

They have battery vendors and honey from bee keepers and everything in between.

We'll make leek /potatoe soup soon.

At 699 per cumcumber I'd get my family member a bottle of nice pickles and see if that does the trick for them.

Soon the prices should go down when the warmer weather arrives.

End of season they always overcharge.

@Marilyn Tassy
I hate snobs/ uppish/ entitled/ gold digger people too.
Same goes for many of the self-made became quickly rich ones.

As a matter of fact I did start my life as very rich - well as by local strandards.
Even before the "iron curtain" fall we had: 6 - 8 televisons, 4 VHS players, 4 fridges, 5.000 books library, a two floors penthouse, etc... Also virtually anything which said to the world (in the fucked up way): that we are rich.

So as a kid I had nearly constant fights with my mother: no, I will not wear XY clothes just because those are expensive, nor will attend to tennis/ golf course just because that is what rich people should do, and an endless line of similar fights/ resistance.

Even as a kid that felt uppish/ wrong and stupid - and I did kept the same attitude.
Up to date my role models are people who are not: snobs/ uppish/ stupid consumers, like Mark Zuckerberg in the sense of how much he spends on onesellf (like: as billionare buy noname brand T shirt), or any Russian oligarch who say: yes kiddo, we are able to do that (even a full golden toilet): but WILL NOT. The ones who educate heirs for an empire, instead of uppist trust-fund hedonist playboys to waste away their heritage.

Also history did prove my point:
Mother became rich quicly, even more rich in the early 90's, but what comes relative easy can go even more easily, and we were completely broke by the end of 90's: everything wasted away in a stupid manner to upkeep a lavish lifestyle and the guise of wealth.

To be honest I am very glad for my life to was able to experience the full range from wealthy till proletariat, what worth what, how people live, and what are the important things/ how stupid/ pointless to even try to impress outsiders.
Also experiences are the reason why I always refused to live in a buble.
-@sjbabilon5

For a good 6 months I hung with the young adult children of very wealthy people.

Well, knew a few in my late teens as well but they were old old money and didn't flash it about.

Lived in the older area of Beverly Hills.

A BF I had at 17, more like a good friend then an actually BF because he was asexual and gay but didn't come out yet. He liked sewing clothing and buying antique items for me to wear on our roller skating dates around Hollywood.

Crazy how exentric the rich can be...

To be honest, coming in a beautiful car to the country club in Encino and being treated like a star felt really creepy to me. I was more ready to serve then be served. I suppose that's why they call it the manner breed?

I always had a creepy feeling that I was only allowed in that arena because I was ,"cute " nothing to build a real life on.

I heard from my husband a tiny bit of his wealthy father's family here in Hungary in the 30's 40's and before then. His father didn't really dare speak about it much so to keep the family from a re education camp.

His parents divorced when he was 18 months old so he didn't get a chance to hear much from his father on their little weekly visits.

He grew up frugal and average for the times in Budapest.

I've never been against having a very comfortable life but it all had to depend on what one had to do to get it.

Have to live within your own boarders. My mother used to always tell me to be a Vegas showgirl but mom's always say silly things like that.

We know allot of Hungarians now living in Hungary that are very well off or doing very well.

I know each and everyone of them would never confess what they did to get where they are now.

At least my husband and I were young and worked together to get anywhere in life without compromising ourselves.

That's something to teach children and to try to live by.

We sleep well at night, no skeletons rattling their bones in our dreams.

This past weekend we bought 3 leeks for 200 forints at the farmers market.

Bosnia Ter.

Open partly on Fridays and fully open on Saturdays.

Pot and pans new, sheets,carpets and table cloth vendors, at the back end they have used items and in the front it's mixed with new and used items.

They have battery vendors and honey from bee keepers and everything in between.

We'll make leek /potatoe soup soon.

At 699 per cumcumber I'd get my family member a bottle of nice pickles and see if that does the trick for them.

Soon the prices should go down when the warmer weather arrives.

End of season they always overcharge.

-@Marilyn Tassy

That's really cheap for leeks. We're doing something wrong then. We should start to look at using the market here. Mrs F does use one of them but it's not here, it's in another village.

Mrs F makes pickled cucumbers but quite pricey if you buy the cucumbers from the supermarket.

I've made leek, potato and ham soup. It's on the hob now awaiting hungry mouths. I also put in some carrots, some parsley and some spinach leaves. 

I haven't made the crunchy leeks to sprinkle on top yet.   They are the hardest part to make.

Yes, it's worth going to the farmers markets but it does get to be a drag if you go every weekend.

My husband loves brousing around but I get board seeing the same old items.

I like it better if I just go once in awhile.

He sometimes needs help, he looks like a pack mule when he goes alone but when I go we never seem to find much.

About ready to make leek soup in a few moments.

My husband will probably insist on putting ham or sausage bits in.

He sometimes over does the pork products.

I like it meat free.

Brocolli is rather pricey these days as well. I still buy it but it burns to pay that much for it.

I have to watch what I eat since I was ill.

No more heavy meals or beans.

Just fresh and light items.

I can't seem to keep my weight  steady. I miss a meal and notice a half kilo off me the next day.

Must be water weight. Yes, that's it.

What my mother used to call "mixed up soup".


-@fluffy2560

Haha.

I do "mixed up soup" dish as well, some of the spcial "recipes":

• "put all in" (what currently at home) soup
• lard soup
• sailor soup
• red soup

All of those are quite terrifying for someone who plans to be on diet as all involves lard, bacon, some sort of meat (often sausages), onions.

A BF I had at 17, more like a good friend then an actually BF because he was asexual and gay but didn't come out yet. He liked sewing clothing and buying antique items for me to wear on our roller skating dates around Hollywood.

Unfurtunate and funny. But an experience for sure.

I heard from my husband a tiny bit of his wealthy father's family here in Hungary in the 30's 40's and before then. His father didn't really dare speak about it much so to keep the family from a re education camp.

As for my family history, by the 1920's / 1930's there were not much remains of wealth after WW1 + Trianon + some bad agricultural years + loans bring away most of the old wealth. There was not much anyway - we were military nobility (with a rule: "more guns than gold" not some rich aristocrats.

So actually by the time when communist come in 1945 there were not that much to take away.

What my mother choose to not understand: in the past wealth was not important in itself. The family does not get land and title to be rich and live a confortable life, but get it to have the means to serve properly, to provide military service, to recruit and equip man at arms to defend the country.

I've never been against having a very comfortable life but it all had to depend on what one had to do to get it. Have to live within your own boarders.

I prefer hardships over everyday comfort.

Comfort, safety, well-being can weaken people, and especially capable to spoil kids.

Another my role model family: Krupp.

They were german industrialists with very notable wealth, and basically a state in the state with own factories, corporate towns, etc... But their kids (heirs) started to wortk very early with the worker kids, then with the unskilled workers, then with the skilled, etc up to the director position. To see all progress, understand the factories, the industry, the worker needs/ opinions, experience hardships, and value money, feel on own skin how a worker lives on his wage.

We know allot of Hungarians now living in Hungary that are very well off or doing very well.
I know each and everyone of them would never confess what they did to get where they are now.

True. The same rule stands here as in the US: "Don't ask where the first million comes from." (Well in USD for sure.)

As a kid I was often hidden in different places. With one of the "friend" of my mother, with police officers (bodyguards or captors who knows?), on a farm at the middle of nowhere, or cc. 2-3 dozen times as a "surprise trip" to Paris, or elsewhere abroad.

The certain times when we cannot go home because some people awaited us, the kind who do not accept such excuses like "I am a woman!", or "I am with kid!" when business gone sideways.

Actually I think survived a couple of dozen attempt before started elementary also a few during that.

At least my husband and I were young and worked together to get anywhere in life without compromising ourselves.
That's something to teach children and to try to live by.
We sleep well at night, no skeletons rattling their bones in our dreams.
-@Marilyn Tassy

Sure it is a choice often.

What my mother used to call "mixed up soup".


-@fluffy2560

Haha.
I do "mixed up soup" dish as well, some of the spcial "recipes":
"put all in" (what currently at home) soup
lard soup
sailor soup
red soup

All of those are quite terrifying for someone who plans to be on diet as all involves lard, bacon, some sort of meat (often sausages), onions.
-@sjbabilon5

It's OK to get calories from fat so long as you don't eat carbs like potatoes, rice, pasta etc.

Bush people in Alaska don't have fresh vegetables or greens and generally eat protein (meat) and fat mainly and they survive. 

They are incredibly active though and it's absolutely freezing cold most of the year.

I'm watching a lot of bush people shows about people living "Life Below Zero".

What my mother used to call "mixed up soup".


-@fluffy2560

Haha.
I do "mixed up soup" dish as well, some of the spcial "recipes":
"put all in" (what currently at home) soup
lard soup
sailor soup
red soup

All of those are quite terrifying for someone who plans to be on diet as all involves lard, bacon, some sort of meat (often sausages), onions.
-@sjbabilon5

Sounds tasty but I'm afriad I'd need another 24 pack of TP if I had any!!

What my mother used to call "mixed up soup".


-@fluffy2560

Haha.
I do "mixed up soup" dish as well, some of the spcial "recipes":
"put all in" (what currently at home) soup
lard soup
sailor soup
red soup

All of those are quite terrifying for someone who plans to be on diet as all involves lard, bacon, some sort of meat (often sausages), onions.
-@sjbabilon5

It's OK to get calories from fat so long as you don't eat carbs like potatoes, rice, pasta etc.

Bush people in Alaska don't have fresh vegetables or greens and generally eat protein (meat) and fat mainly and they survive.

They are incredibly active though and it's absolutely freezing cold most of the year.

I'm watching a lot of bush people shows about people living "Life Below Zero".
-@fluffy2560

I also think a persons DNA is a factor in what they can or can not digest.

I know northern people drink allot of raindeer milk while someone who roots are from another region might not be able to digest  that much dairy.

I have a low or lack of an enzyme in my liver . It's very rare but almost did me in when I was not tested for it before getting some medical treatments.

It's the same sort of thing that you hear ablout with certain people or cultures not being able to handle their liquor. It's all about the DNA.

My friend just moved to Sweden and I know the diet she is on is not one she can handle over time. Her roots are more sub-African .I always tell her to make sure she has suppliments.

A BF I had at 17, more like a good friend then an actually BF because he was asexual and gay but didn't come out yet. He liked sewing clothing and buying antique items for me to wear on our roller skating dates around Hollywood.

Unfurtunate and funny. But an experience for sure.

I heard from my husband a tiny bit of his wealthy father's family here in Hungary in the 30's 40's and before then. His father didn't really dare speak about it much so to keep the family from a re education camp.


As for my family history, by the 1920's / 1930's there were not much remains of wealth after WW1 + Trianon + some bad agricultural years + loans bring away most of the old wealth. There was not much anyway - we were military nobility (with a rule: "more guns than gold" not some rich aristocrats.
So actually by the time when communist come in 1945 there were not that much to take away.

What my mother choose to not understand: in the past wealth was not important in itself. The family does not get land and title to be rich and live a confortable life, but get it to have the means to serve properly, to provide military service, to recruit and equip man at arms to defend the country.

I've never been against having a very comfortable life but it all had to depend on what one had to do to get it. Have to live within your own boarders.


I prefer hardships over everyday comfort.
Comfort, safety, well-being can weaken people, and especially capable to spoil kids.
Another my role model family: Krupp.
They were german industrialists with very notable wealth, and basically a state in the state with own factories, corporate towns, etc... But their kids (heirs) started to wortk very early with the worker kids, then with the unskilled workers, then with the skilled, etc up to the director position. To see all progress, understand the factories, the industry, the worker needs/ opinions, experience hardships, and value money, feel on own skin how a worker lives on his wage.

We know allot of Hungarians now living in Hungary that are very well off or doing very well.
I know each and everyone of them would never confess what they did to get where they are now.

True. The same rule stands here as in the US: "Don't ask where the first million comes from." (Well in USD for sure.)

As a kid I was often hidden in different places. With one of the "friend" of my mother, with police officers (bodyguards or captors who knows?), on a farm at the middle of nowhere, or cc. 2-3 dozen times as a "surprise trip" to Paris, or elsewhere abroad.
The certain times when we cannot go home because some people awaited us, the kind who do not accept such excuses like "I am a woman!", or "I am with kid!" when business gone sideways.
Actually I think survived a couple of dozen attempt before started elementary also a few during that.

At least my husband and I were young and worked together to get anywhere in life without compromising ourselves.
That's something to teach children and to try to live by.
We sleep well at night, no skeletons rattling their bones in our dreams.
-@Marilyn Tassy

Sure it is a choice often.
-@sjbabilon5

Now if anyone should write a book, it's you.

Interesting story.

During the US depression years my step-father was just a young boy.

The eldest of 8 children of 2 immigrants.

His dad from Ireland and his mother from what was then Czechoslovaka.

It sounded like a very bleak life in Penn.

His father worked in the coal mines and his mother wasn't too healthy.

His father like many in these situations took solice in the bars.

Feeding so many children on a miners income wasn't easy.

My step-father said his entire young life he just remembers always being hungry.

The often had just soup for dinner.

They called it, "garbage soup".

Items that most people would toss out like peels and tops of veggies.

Needless to say growing up we step-children of his had to eat everything on our plates and any waste was a serious matter.

He was super generous but God help you if you wasted anything.

We always had to hear about the poor children in 3 world countires going hungry and how terrible we were if we didn't eat everything offered.

In fact when he was dating my mother he wooed her by bringing her flowers and candy but always at least 2 or 3 large bags full of food for her 4 brats.

I think he instilled some of that awareness of waste in us.

I'm always trying to find a way to use left overs, not peels or tops although they probably have allot of vitamins but items like eggs shells. We save them, dry them out and make a powder to add to our houseplants.

Everytime I take the trash out I am semi-guilty because I know I could of saved more.

It's like a mental illness.

My step- father told us he even raided trash cans looking for food growing up in the USA.

One reason I take offense when people say Americans are spoiled.

We only hear about those who are in the media not your everyday person.

My step father was very strong though. He left his poor town at age 18 and moved to Ca. Got a good job at Lockheed . He bought a house by the time he was 20 and paid for his mother 2 brothers and his sister to come live with him. Sadly his 2 brothers follwed in their father's food steps and loved to drink.

My step-father had to ask them to leave and their mother wanted to go home because she missed Penn.

Only his sister stayed in Ca.

My mother grew up in the depression years as well.

She was lucky her mother was the personal cook for a wealthy family.

They always had fruits and fresh food.

Always had the families Sunday roast left overs on Monday when they let my granny take it home with her.

This was only 80-90 years ago, I'm afriad with this inflation there are many families doing the same to get by.

I know in the US they have the SNAP program, food stamps but not everyone who needs them gets them.

You need an address and the homeless have no address.

The sad thing is my mothers paternal grandparents knew of her and her sister but never helped them.

They were co-owners of a textile factory and very wealthy.

They were upset with their son so cut him off.

I wonder what sort of heartless people I'm related to?

I also think a persons DNA is a factor in what they can or can not digest.
I know northern people drink allot of raindeer milk while someone who roots are from another region might not be able to digest that much dairy.

-@Marilyn Tassy

Not that much directly DNA.

In many regard depends on blood type (offf course can be said that depends on DNA).

Also depends on how did the person grow up.

If someone did not consume milk as kid (milk - not some UHT factory preoduct) then probably cannot digest it, nor if did not consdumed real milk in like 20- 30 years.

Same goes for others.

Like I know a guy, who did grow up in Kosovo, he was no muslim, but people around him were. There was no pork at all, so later when he was circa 30 tried out pork dish, and was unable to digest, actually felt sick and vomited.

Simply because his body was not ready to deal with it.

Or as famous example:

https://www.newsweek.com/woman-tries-fi … ps-1710109

@Marilyn Tassy

Probably I am rude/ crass but actually I did approach females in the past with no flowers or teddy bears or other useless things but like a bag of potato/ chunk of bacon.

Most did think that I am a joker, only a few appriciated that as useful.

But in reality, when you look at things from a historical perspective: that is what happened.

Sure in the US there are also poverty, really deep poverty and deprivation for far over 10% of the population.

In places like Michigan - Flint, the "dope districts" of Chicago, the unemployed Detroit, in the Rust Belt, in the Appalachian Region, or in any larger cities the dark alleys where the homeless live. Also in the various tent towns, squat buildings, or caravan parking/ people who actually live in simple cars nor even caravans sleep/ eat there, and gone to work without the hope of rent an apartment ever from their wage.

it is awful that the richest country (by GDP + GDP per capita) on the planet let's it gone while they have hundreds of billions to patronate the military industrial complex and the permanent wars/ coups on the planet, patronate big pharma, big tech, and launch/ finance expensive and mad woke - cultural marxist campaigns + try to enforce the world to do the same as an imperialist "world police".

Please do not misunderstand me: I am definitelly NOT a left leaning socialist and will never agree with nonsenses to pour endless funds/ finance social security systems for people who have no capability/ no intent to work, nor to nonsenses as affirmative action or any quotas, nor to patronate junkies or alike.

BUT: deeply believe that anybody who is able bodied/ capable and wish to work should deserve a chance to do so, and to be able to upkeep a modest life from the full time wage. Also for married couples to finance their family with kids if they are working.

I also think a persons DNA is a factor in what they can or can not digest.
I know northern people drink a lot of reindeer milk while someone who roots are from another region might not be able to digest that much dairy.
I have a low or lack of an enzyme in my liver . It's very rare but almost did me in when I was not tested for it before getting some medical treatments.
It's the same sort of thing that you hear about with certain people or cultures not being able to handle their liquor. It's all about the DNA.
My friend just moved to Sweden and I know the diet she is on is not one she can handle over time. Her roots are more sub-African .I always tell her to make sure she has supplements.
-@Marilyn Tassy

I think you are right Marilyn.

I know some Asian people cannot digest lactose or only very badly due to some gene anomaly. People of European descent are used to dairy products and have cows milk from a young age and therefore should have more tolerance.

I know though from being in a few Asian countries, that cheese is quite difficult to find in some places and what there is available is expensive.

I found Russian cheese to be hopelessly inedible.  Give me Brie or Cheddar any day.

I asked some co-workers in Asia about the lack of popularity of cheese and they all said they found cheese smells nauseating - like rotten milk.

For some cheeses, they may have a point.

Same goes for others.
Like I know a guy, who did grow up in Kosovo, he was no muslim, but people around him were. There was no pork at all, so later when he was circa 30 tried out pork dish, and was unable to digest, actually felt sick and vomited.
Simply because his body was not ready to deal with it.

Or as famous example:
https://www.newsweek.com/woman-tries-fi … ps-1710109
-@sjbabilon5

Maybe  the Kosovo guy was brainwashed into believing pork was bad for him.   Could have been wound up to believe some harm would result.   Or perhaps it was too greasy or oily or even salty - that's happened to me before.

Hmmmm....crispy bacon sandwich with mushrooms (preferably with HP sauce) or a BLT.  What's not to like?

Crisp woman had a block removed by hypnosis so it wasn't physical but mental.  I am quite impressed the hypnosis worked very quickly - if it's not exaggerated in the article.