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Grab your passports, we’ve found the perfect weekend break with £25 flights and £1.14 pints

Just what you want, loads of Brits on the piss coming over lol
   

    -@SimCityAT

Meh, I wouldn't go there myself.  It's a nothing kind of town.  Eger might be a better bet as it has a castle and some history.  Quite good vineyards around and cheap wine. Been a couple of times.  All of those places around there could do with an injection of tourism though so I guess not a bad idea overall. I don't know how Ryanair fly there as Miskolc doesn't have an international airport.   

    I hope the store clerks know how to use the defibrillators.
It's located at the return desk hanging up on the wall.
Just in case...
Perhaps shops like Aldi and Lidl have them hiddeen somehwere.
I got my rear pinched entering a Lidl store and the same day those perves got into a fist fight on the ground inside the store. I don't think the Lidl staff get involved in any personal issues happening inside the store. Heart attack and they would just keep walking on...They don't notice anything.Or more like they dont want to.
I had a blood test about 2 weeks ago. Still sore in one arm and black and blue on the other.
A new women drew the blood, first I offered my left arm, Never in my life did a stick hurt that much. She must of hit a nerve because the pain that shot in my left hand was crazy. I never make a sound when getting poked but this time I did moan. My hand twitched too.
She missed my vain and went for the right arm next!
She needed allot more experience because I've been poked in the past and never even knew they were finished, it was so painfree.
I get jabbed for blood every 6 months min.
What do they do with all that blood, I'm sure they only need a few drops for a test.
Probably make slides for schools with the extra?
Perhaps some princess is taking a bath in all that blood? Facials at least?
Just trippin,' more like for a medical school slide.

My eldest sister really wanted to be a nurse when she was 17.
They had a club in the 60's not sure they still have it called, "The Candy Stripes" ( Not strippers) teenage girls who volunteered at hospitals as a greeter, showing people where to go and pouring water to patients in their rooms reading to them etc.
They wore a candy stripped apron.
Well my mom for some reason really didn't want my sister to be a nurse.
IDK why not.
Mom came up with a radical plan to turn her off to the idea.
Mom called the charge nurse at a country- welfare run sort of hospital in a bad neighborhood in downtown LA. (where they operated on my husbands arm years later, nightmare!!)
The nurse made an appointment with my mother and sister to show her around for an hour or so and let her see the real deal of being a new nurse.
Started with the bed pans, the barf trays and seeing them wash people.
All I remember is my sister running in the front door with tears pouring down her face.
She said her dream was over with.
She had a shock seeing the worst of things first.
That was very odd for our mother to do that, gosh nurses make a killing in the US. Double time pay and all.
Mom had wanted to become a nurse during WW11 but was underage. Her 2 aunts refused to sign for her to go. They told her only, "low women" are alone with so many young men. Like hanky-panky is on the mind f someone in a life or death situation. Mom 's family had an over active mind.
My father had the wrng idea about things at times too.
In 1975 when I was about to move to Maui my father told my mother and step-father to stop me from ging there.
He said, quote," Hawaii is full of bars and wh@@@ houses".
Well, dad, I guess we all know what you were up to during the war years!
He never spoke up much abut how mom did things with us but he was serisouly upset about me moving to Hawaii.
I never saw or stepped into any bars and never personally saw a huse of ill repute!
I can imgine though Honolulu back in 1944, must of been wild with so much military there.
Snope Dog, heard of him but most of these new,"artists" I have no clue as to who they are.
24 is too young to stroke out, might be more to the story like drugs?
   
    -@Marilyn Tassy

All the staff should be given instructions on what to do and basic first aid as part of their induction into the job.   Bit like fire/escape drills.

I don't know about Snoop Dog's daughter's drug use if any.  Apparently she's a "star" as well.  Not in my universe.   But the stroke at a young age was more interesting as a news headline.

I can imagine a lot of young people on a tropical island, with plenty of money and free flowing alcohol is going to end up attracting all sorts of people.  And most military bases have plenty of whorehouses official and unofficial nearby or in close by cities.  And drugs on every corner but I expect they are more wary because of random testing.

I've been to some of those Pacific islands (but not Hawaii) and there is FA to do there except work, sleep, eat, watch TV, swim in the sea and booze.  A lot of the ones I met were drinking or using an (mainly legal) addiction all the time.  The local thing was the unfortunate betel nut chewing, with red spit is not very nice.  All their teeth are stained and they mix it up with tobacco too and spit in a bottle.  It's a bit disconcerting.  Not something I'd expect to see.

They do that kind of thing in Ethiopia too except it's a kind of plant called Khat, not a nut they chew.  Most of them are stoned by early afternoon and you cannot get any sense out of them.  So get there early and cross your fingers they are still capable.

I do wonder sometimes about medics having an interest or specialism in things like urology or bowels.  I suppose it's a job and thank god some of them want to do it.  We'd all be in trouble if they didn't work on those parts. 

But I wonder how it works out at home, like if they are constantly applying their knowledge.  If one was a psychiatrist, would one be constantly evaluating those around you including family?  Or are they able to leave it at the door and go into "ordinary human" mode.

Grab your passports, we’ve found the perfect weekend break with £25 flights and £1.14 pints

Just what you want, loads of Brits on the piss coming over lol
   

    -@SimCityAT

My husband makes me laugh.

He says any tourist coming here this time of year is a ,"cheap tourist".

He used to call backpackers,"Turtles" because they have those obnoxius bags on them , everywhere, even in shops where they back into you and just about knock your over.

As an American I can understand cming from the states to Europe because of the cheaper costs.

Spending over $1,200 for a seat and spending 18-28 or more hours flying should justify being a cheapo but coming in the cold of winter with a cheap air ticket and staying in a hostel only to drink and pee all over the streets is a bit low life.

I wonder when the sidewalks look like a river if the dogs are doing the mess or if it's human?

In some districts like parts of the 7th and 6th I never really notice that many dogs, not enough for all the fluid all over. Dogs also don't seem to be able to spray the enterances of buildings the way a human could.

Honestly what can a tourist actually see in a 3 day tour?

        I hope the store clerks know how to use the defibrillators.It's located at the return desk hanging up on the wall.Just in case...Perhaps shops like Aldi and Lidl have them hiddeen somehwere.I got my rear pinched entering a Lidl store and the same day those perves got into a fist fight on the ground inside the store. I don't think the Lidl staff get involved in any personal issues happening inside the store. Heart attack and they would just keep walking on...They don't notice anything.Or more like they dont want to.I had a blood test about 2 weeks ago. Still sore in one arm and black and blue on the other. A new women drew the blood, first I offered my left arm, Never in my life did a stick hurt that much. She must of hit a nerve because the pain that shot in my left hand was crazy. I never make a sound when getting poked but this time I did moan. My hand twitched too.She missed my vain and went for the right arm next! She needed allot more experience because I've been poked in the past and never even knew they were finished, it was so painfree.I get jabbed for blood every 6 months min.What do they do with all that blood, I'm sure they only need a few drops for a test.Probably make slides for schools with the extra?Perhaps some princess is taking a bath in all that blood? Facials at least?Just trippin,' more like for a medical school slide.My eldest sister really wanted to be a nurse when she was 17.They had a club in the 60's not sure they still have it called, "The Candy Stripes" ( Not strippers) teenage girls who volunteered at hospitals as a greeter, showing people where to go and pouring water to patients in their rooms reading to them etc.They wore a candy stripped apron.Well my mom for some reason really didn't want my sister to be a nurse.IDK why not.Mom came up with a radical plan to turn her off to the idea.Mom called the charge nurse at a country- welfare run sort of hospital in a bad neighborhood in downtown LA. (where they operated on my husbands arm years later, nightmare!!)The nurse made an appointment with my mother and sister to show her around for an hour or so and let her see the real deal of being a new nurse.Started with the bed pans, the barf trays and seeing them wash people.All I remember is my sister running in the front door with tears pouring down her face.She said her dream was over with.She had a shock seeing the worst of things first.That was very odd for our mother to do that, gosh nurses make a killing in the US. Double time pay and all.Mom had wanted to become a nurse during WW11 but was underage. Her 2 aunts refused to sign for her to go. They told her only, "low women" are alone with so many young men. Like hanky-panky is on the mind f someone in a life or death situation. Mom 's family had an over active mind.My father had the wrng idea about things at times too.In 1975 when I was about to move to Maui my father told my mother and step-father to stop me from ging there.He said, quote," Hawaii is full of bars and wh@@@ houses".Well, dad, I guess we all know what you were up to during the war years!He never spoke up much abut how mom did things with us but he was serisouly upset about me moving to Hawaii. I never saw or stepped into any bars and never personally saw a huse of ill repute!I can imgine though Honolulu back in 1944, must of been wild with so much military there.Snope Dog, heard of him but most of these new,"artists" I have no clue as to who they are.24 is too young to stroke out, might be more to the story like drugs?        -@Marilyn TassyAll the staff should be given instructions on what to do and basic first aid as part of their induction into the job.   Bit like fire/escape drills. I don't know about Snoop Dog's daughter's drug use if any.  Apparently she's a "star" as well.  Not in my universe.   But the stroke at a young age was more interesting as a news headline.I can imagine a lot of young people on a tropical island, with plenty of money and free flowing alcohol is going to end up attracting all sorts of people.  And most military bases have plenty of whorehouses official and unofficial nearby or in close by cities.  And drugs on every corner but I expect they are more wary because of random testing.I've been to some of those Pacific islands (but not Hawaii) and there is FA to do there except work, sleep, eat, watch TV, swim in the sea and booze.  A lot of the ones I met were drinking or using an (mainly legal) addiction all the time.  The local thing was the unfortunate betel nut chewing, with red spit is not very nice.  All their teeth are stained and they mix it up with tobacco too and spit in a bottle.  It's a bit disconcerting.  Not something I'd expect to see.They do that kind of thing in Ethiopia too except it's a kind of plant called Khat, not a nut they chew.  Most of them are stoned by early afternoon and you cannot get any sense out of them.  So get there early and cross your fingers they are still capable.I do wonder sometimes about medics having an interest or specialism in things like urology or bowels.  I suppose it's a job and thank god some of them want to do it.  We'd all be in trouble if they didn't work on those parts.  But I wonder how it works out at home, like if they are constantly applying their knowledge.  If one was a psychiatrist, would one be constantly evaluating those around you including family?  Or are they able to leave it at the door and go into "ordinary human" mode.        -@fluffy2560

IDK how common drug use was in WW11 at least on the US side.

I know the Germans gave thier troops drugs to keep them going . Speed freaks.

My father  well, he was his own man. Never a rule follower, he being a medic had access to moriphine and  other meds. He told us he always shot himself up before any big skirmish was about to start. He said no way was he going out into an open field to drag back some poor bast@@ without making sure he didn't feel any pain in case he also got hit.

Best to cover all your bases.

He and my step-father, also a US medic both said no matter what side or what language was spoken, everyone cries for ,"mother" when they get hit.

What a nightmare.

My father did use his medical training once at a bar in Ca.

Some guy yawned really wide and dislocated his jaw.

My dad set him right right then and there and the man bought him a round!

My step- father told us once he had to pull his weapon out on his CO.

Courtmartial possiblity for doing that.

My step-dad carried a N. Korean young lady who was shot out of danger and placed her for treatment in the mash unit.

His CO said the weren't in the bussiness of helping the enemy.

My step-dad pulled his gun out and pointed it at his CO and said she was getting treated or he was done for.

Days later when  she came around and my step-dad was looking at her wound she freaked out , first thinking he was going to hurt her more. She realized he had saved her life and she grabbed his hand and kissed it.

No idea what happened to her after then but it's nice to know some people are willing to break the rules.

I don't know what's going on in AZ where my friend lives.

Yesterday for the second time in about one year a neighbor of hers burnt to death in their house.

Must be very dry even in the high desert.

First was a man working on his car in his gargage. Set the car on fire and himself, he passed a few days later in the burn unit.

Yesterday an enitre house burnt to the ground with a wheelchair bound women and her 3 dogs inside.

My friend is also in a wheelchair and hearing this has really upset her.

She is thinking how the hell will she get out if she is alone at home and a fire breaks out.

Took over one hour for the fire dept. to get out to the fire too.

She sent me a photo of the house burning away, pretty bad and hard to look at.

Wish I knew how to post the photo.

All I could tell her is to keep a fire extinguisher in her home all over the place.

My husband makes me laugh.
He says any tourist coming here this time of year is a ,"cheap tourist".
He used to call backpackers,"Turtles" because they have those obnoxius bags on them , everywhere, even in shops where they back into you and just about knock your over.
As an American I can understand cming from the states to Europe because of the cheaper costs.
Spending over $1,200 for a seat and spending 18-28 or more hours flying should justify being a cheapo but coming in the cold of winter with a cheap air ticket and staying in a hostel only to drink and pee all over the streets is a bit low life.
I wonder when the sidewalks look like a river if the dogs are doing the mess or if it's human?
In some districts like parts of the 7th and 6th I never really notice that many dogs, not enough for all the fluid all over. Dogs also don't seem to be able to spray the enterances of buildings the way a human could.
Honestly what can a tourist actually see in a 3 day tour?
   

    -@Marilyn Tassy

Turtles - I like that. Cheers for your old man.

You guess well - that is human in many cases.

I don't know about americans, but Germans, French, Spanish, Italians do for sure.

Anyway a 3 day tour: folks can see pretty much in any city.

For example when I lived in Austria - Wien there in that time even was a sunday (last sunday in the month) when most of the museums/ certain heritage buildings was open and free to visit.

Also it depends on the visitor: who rely on just tourist info will see and experience less just the things which are "for tourists/ Auslanders", but who prepped and do it solo will have better (or worst) experiences: something more real.

IDK how common drug use was in WW11 at least on the US side.
I know the Germans gave thier troops drugs to keep them going . Speed freaks.
My father  well, he was his own man. Never a rule follower, he being a medic had access to moriphine and  other meds. He told us he always shot himself up before any big skirmish was about to start. He said no way was he going out into an open field to drag back some poor bast@@ without making sure he didn't feel any pain in case he also got hit.
Best to cover all your bases.
He and my step-father, also a US medic both said no matter what side or what language was spoken, everyone cries for ,"mother" when they get hit.
What a nightmare.
My father did use his medical training once at a bar in Ca.
Some guy yawned really wide and dislocated his jaw.
My dad set him right right then and there and the man bought him a round!
My step- father told us once he had to pull his weapon out on his CO.
Courtmartial possiblity for doing that.
My step-dad carried a N. Korean young lady who was shot out of danger and placed her for treatment in the mash unit.
His CO said the weren't in the bussiness of helping the enemy.
My step-dad pulled his gun out and pointed it at his CO and said she was getting treated or he was done for.
Days later when  she came around and my step-dad was looking at her wound she freaked out , first thinking he was going to hurt her more. She realized he had saved her life and she grabbed his hand and kissed it.
No idea what happened to her after then but it's nice to know some people are willing to break the rules.
   

    -@Marilyn Tassy

Germans used long lasting ones, so that was unwise as even if situation may changed they cannot rest - westerners used short lasting which was more suitable when needed just a several hours speed up.

Regular morphine - just in case of possible hit: dangerous.

Both the decreased skills/ attention, and possible addiction.

Your step-dad did the right thing.

While there in practice can have some consideration about order of importance (like mass WIA at own troops/ lack of resources) medics should treat even the soldiers of enemy if wounded just the same, also POW.

Civilians too.

So if CO barks else if not turns up as a frag by the medic/ other subordinates probably gets some years in a mil. prison / dishonorable discharge because breaking the rules of war.

In case of suspected agents/ saboteurs/ terrorist/ guerillas/ mercenaries or anyone else who cannot have a clear POW status or it is unclear situation is more flexible.

Still medical personel have an oath about saving life/ help wounded which may conflict with mil. regulations / secret service concerns. Actually happened when half-dead ISIS combatants blow up themselves together with the medics of their enemy.

Or as being local:

When in ww2 the Red Army did the siege of Budapest they actually gone in to the underground hospitals with flamethrowers and left no survivors. The sister of my grandma survived just because were on the streets to look for wounded  (she was a nurse, and near grandma the only survivor among the 16 sisters/ brothers in ww2).

Nowdays folks cry out: war crime.

But they do not consider:

1. SU never sign/ put into effect treaties/ conventions about such matters (still true for present Russia and Ukraine)
2. Red Army did lack of supplies even for their own.
3. They know the reality that even a wounded soldier who lost an arm will kill as many as can untill last breath and bullet if RA troops enter differently.

My, I am sorry about your grandmothers family.

So many horror stories, so horrible that it's sometimes hard to take in what happened.

Flame throwers used on wounded.ill people. what aniamls!

My step-father was lucky like your grandmother was as far as leaving the sence of the crime so to speak.

He and another medic were sent to get fresh water for the MASH unit hospital. As they stepped away a bomb blew the entire field hospital away. Nurses, doctors, patients, all gone...

That's when he and the other medic were shot up, they hid in the bush for nearly a week while attending each others wounds.The one medic was really shot up and later died when they were captured.

My stepfather was a 2 time POW, WW11 and Korea.

Neither country treated their prisoners very well. ( Japan and Korea)

He said he was lucky to not lose his head. He had red hair and he said they usually were the worst to red heads, saw them as unlucky or something? IDK.

I know he was lucky to just be shot 3 times without too much injury, nothing major was hit.

He got a free pedicure and dental work while being a POW. They pulled out his toenails with pliers and at age 26 had all his teeth pulled out , one by one...OUCH.

My father was only left with foot rot from walking in damp boots in the jungle.

Every year or so he spent a week in the VA hospital getting his feet worked on.

His skin was removed and his feet wrapped up in bandages.

Mom never allowed us to touch his socks, she boiled them apart from all the rest of the laundry.nasty painful at times but not anything that would do you in. We wondered why dad always wore just white cotton socks... Soft and easy to boil without losing any color.

My husbands father's Hungarian unit was captured by we Americans. He was lucky and sent home after being treated to medical care and lots of food.

He made it back to Budapest before the Russians started to intercept the trains with the troops returning from the US side. When the Americans found out the Russians were taking POW's they had let go they started to guard the trains to make sure they got home in one piece.Not sure how many they grabbed before that.

My husband's step-father wasn't so lucky, the Russians captured his HU unit and he spent a good 4 or 5 years in a forced labor camp. The war was over with long before he was let go.

He was an ethnic German from Romaina but in the HU Army. He was Hungarian as far as he was concerned.

Returned to his small home in Romania, entered his house and found his wives new husband inside with her new baby... She thought he died after so many years without news of him being a prisoner.

He said when he was set free there still were prisoners left behind.

He was given a small piece of land for his troubles which he sold the same day, left the country and moved to Budapest alone to start a new life. ( He also had to leave Romania, because he was ethnic German they made him leave the country)

My mom back in the states used to be pen pals with many young men who loved letters from back home. She kept a bx full of letters from these servicemen. She often got letters from one persn for awhile then they stopped coming. She said most likely they were killed. Even back in the 1970's she would sometimes re read the letters all alone in her room and we could hear her crying.All those young people with their own dreams that never happened.

So many broken people, sad to think this war game is still going on with no end in sight.

IDK how common drug use was in WW11 at least on the US side.
I know the Germans gave thier troops drugs to keep them going . Speed freaks.
My father  well, he was his own man. Never a rule follower, he being a medic had access to moriphine and  other meds. He told us he always shot himself up before any big skirmish was about to start. He said no way was he going out into an open field to drag back some poor bast@@ without making sure he didn't feel any pain in case he also got hit.
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    -@Marilyn Tassy

There's a big drug problem in the Middle East, particularly Syria and Jordan where everyone military is taking Captagon (amphetamines) to give some boost to fighting capabilities.  Syria is a major exporter of these drugs.

I think drug use must be prevalent in the Russian and maybe Ukrainian armed forces. 

My mistake, it was Sjbabilion's great-aunt who was the nurse in Budapest during WW11, not his granny.

I do read the posts but can twist things around at times by mistake.

Close relative, hope she had a nice long life after the trauma of war.

Being hyped on drugs might tend to make people do things they otherwise would never do but still... Makes you wonder at times how cruel people can be to each other.

Some people don't need an excuse to be evil.

My father and step-dad both said they wanted to strangle whoever thought it was a good idea to give medics white helmets with a bright red cross on them. Target practice made easy.No medic actually wore them, unless they had a death wish.

My step-dad was I suppose a real war hero while my father did everything he could to avoid getting hit even if it meant he was a bit slow going out to help anyone.

He told us he figured if they were hit that badly, they were goners no matter what and if he was bit late dragging them to safety and tending to them they were going to make it no matter what.

I don't know what to say really. Self survival is an instinct.

My step-dad put himself in harms way many times.

His stories read like a movie script, unreal at times.

I am guessing  it was when he was captured in Korea.

He was held in a bambo sort of cage.

He broke off a piece of bambo and when he had a chance , and only one guard was watching him, and got to close to him, he used it and offed the guy.Escaped to safety.

3 Purple hearts and a bronze star for him, I fogot the name of the ship ( he was in the Navy) but

believe it was Truman,  whoactually pinned his metals on his chest.

He later lost one of his purple hearts.

Found out more info on that women who burnt in her house with her 3 dogs in AZ near my friends home.

Seems living off grid has it's down side.

Her BF was cooking with a propane tank and started a kitchen fire.

He thought he put it out.

The women in her wheelchair then went into the bedroom with her 3 dogs.

He left the house to run an errand.

He left the kitchen window open and a breeze coming through restarted the embers of the kitchen fire.

She was trapped in her room with her 3 dogs.

Police took 30 mins to arrive and the fire dept an hour.

No fire hydrants in that area.

It was a moblie home which burns fast.

Now the BF is homeless , had no home insurnace.

The community is doing a fund raiser to get him on his feet .

I noticed once in awhile here in Hungary some country homes have propane tanks for cooking.

Scary.

I had one in Hawaii to run my gas clothing dryer.

Shipped it to HI without researching that most everywhere in HI is only electric.

I know everytime they refilled my tank they inspected it for rust and leaks.

IDK what happened in AZ but what a way to go.

    Found out more info on that women who burnt in her house with her 3 dogs in AZ near my friends home.
Seems living off grid has it's down side.
Her BF was cooking with a propane tank and started a kitchen fire.
He thought he put it out.
The women in her wheelchair then went into the bedroom with her 3 dogs.
He left the house to run an errand.
He left the kitchen window open and a breeze coming through restarted the embers of the kitchen fire.
She was trapped in her room with her 3 dogs.
Police took 30 mins to arrive and the fire dept an hour.
No fire hydrants in that area.
It was a moblie home which burns fast.
Now the BF is homeless , had no home insurnace.
The community is doing a fund raiser to get him on his feet .
I noticed once in awhile here in Hungary some country homes have propane tanks for cooking.
Scary.
I had one in Hawaii to run my gas clothing dryer.
Shipped it to HI without researching that most everywhere in HI is only electric.
I know everytime they refilled my tank they inspected it for rust and leaks.
IDK what happened in AZ but what a way to go.
   

    -@Marilyn Tassy

In Balaton we use propane for cooking.  We just take the tank to the petrol/gas station and swap out to a filled tank on exchange.  So we never have a refill of the same tank, just a swap.  What they do with them back at their HQ, no idea but they must test them.  it's a pressurised bomb!

It's probably  a horrible death in a fire but I think people expire very quickly overcome by the fumes from burning furnishings and smoke generally.  Matter of minutes and before the flames reach them.  Not much of a comfort. 

Personally I believe everyone should know the escape routes (especially for those less mobile or competent) and have smoke and carbon monoxide detectors.  I always count the number of seats to the exits on the plane. For some reason they don't mark the row numbers on the emergency escape sheet in the back of the seat.  I also read the escape route on the back of hotel doors.   And if I was ever told to stay where I was in the event of a fire, that's not going to happen, I'm going outside asap regardless of how small a fire it is.  Two reasons: 911 and Grenfell Tower Fire.

When my parents lived near Melbourne, my Dad set fire to the house. I think he was frying something and it caught fire. So he took it outside and for some reason put it or threw it under the house where it set fire to the underneath.  My Mum was at the shops.  When she came back, a large chunk of the house was gone.  My sister and brother were rescued or weren't in the house but with my Mum - story not entirely clear to me and no-one to ask really - maybe my sister remembers.  But my Dad did say the locals all rallied around and replaced a lot of things. It was a company owned house and I think they just got moved to another one.

Insurance is of course a waste of money until you need it.

        Found out more info on that women who burnt in her house with her 3 dogs in AZ near my friends home.Seems living off grid has it's down side.Her BF was cooking with a propane tank and started a kitchen fire.He thought he put it out.The women in her wheelchair then went into the bedroom with her 3 dogs.He left the house to run an errand.He left the kitchen window open and a breeze coming through restarted the embers of the kitchen fire.She was trapped in her room with her 3 dogs.Police took 30 mins to arrive and the fire dept an hour.No fire hydrants in that area.It was a moblie home which burns fast.Now the BF is homeless , had no home insurnace.The community is doing a fund raiser to get him on his feet .I noticed once in awhile here in Hungary some country homes have propane tanks for cooking.Scary.I had one in Hawaii to run my gas clothing dryer.Shipped it to HI without researching that most everywhere in HI is only electric.I know everytime they refilled my tank they inspected it for rust and leaks.IDK what happened in AZ but what a way to go.        -@Marilyn TassyIn Balaton we use propane for cooking.  We just take the tank to the petrol/gas station and swap out to a filled tank on exchange.  So we never have a refill of the same tank, just a swap.  What they do with them back at their HQ, no idea but they must test them.  it's a pressurised bomb!It's probably  a horrible death in a fire but I think people expire very quickly overcome by the fumes from burning furnishings and smoke generally.  Matter of minutes and before the flames reach them.  Not much of a comfort.  Personally I believe everyone should know the escape routes (especially for those less mobile or competent) and have smoke and carbon monoxide detectors.  I always count the number of seats to the exits on the plane. For some reason they don't mark the row numbers on the emergency escape sheet in the back of the seat.  I also read the escape route on the back of hotel doors.   And if I was ever told to stay where I was in the event of a fire, that's not going to happen, I'm going outside asap regardless of how small a fire it is.  Two reasons: 911 and Grenfell Tower Fire.When my parents lived near Melbourne, my Dad set fire to the house. I think he was frying something and it caught fire. So he took it outside and for some reason put it or threw it under the house where it set fire to the underneath.  My Mum was at the shops.  When she came back, a large chunk of the house was gone.  My sister and brother were rescued or weren't in the house but with my Mum - story not entirely clear to me and no-one to ask really - maybe my sister remembers.  But my Dad did say the locals all rallied around and replaced a lot of things. It was a company owned house and I think they just got moved to another one. Insurance is of course a waste of money until you need it.         -@fluffy2560

My friend said this year she was not going to be able to keep giving money for chairites.

She gave for Ukraine, Maui and any tradgic thing she read about.

She however said since this happened in her own back yard they will be supporting the go fund me for this guy.

My friend is getting a new electric wheelchair soon and needs funds to help pay for it.

She's been using the same old manual one for 25 years now.

Since she also is in a wheelchair she is freaking out about fires now.

She can pull herself out of her chair and slowing with support sort of walk a short distance.

She siad she could perhaps climb out her windown if needed. The women who burnt couldn't walk at all.

My friend in N.Ca son burnt their house in Simi when he was a child. He was palying with matches.

Burn one bedroom down, new remodel of that part of the huse.

Werid thing is his grandfather was a LA country fireman and now he is also a fireman in N Ca.

My step-father played with matches as a child and caught himself on fire.

He had a large burn scare on his calf.

My auntie was one of the first swtichboard operators for both her local fire and police dept. This was before the system was 911.

She helped train the new 911 operators.

I did a ride along with her and one of her co-workers in Conn.where we followed the fire truck at a house fire. Met the fire cheif and crew who knew my auntie.

My step-father also said as a child  a house caught on fire and a man burnt up. He said he would never forget the smell.

I almost burnt our apt. a few years back when I got home from oral surgery.

Took my pain pill and was feeling painfree...

Used a funky old electric heater my MIL owned( should of been in the trash).

I got up to make some tea and threw off a blanket  I was using right onto the heater. Made the tea and opened the door of my room.

Blanket was on fire, almost got the curtains a blaze. I called my husband who unplugged the heater and removed the blanket.he burnt himself lightly.

Space case me using a space heater!

Super carful now and would rather freeze then do that again.

Not too much damage was done, black spot on the floor which came right off with a good washing.

I just hope my neighbors aren't fire bugs.

Insurance claims... My sister's old BF ,one of them was a personal injury lawyer. The firm he worked at had done very well.

They handled a few of the cases from the MGM fire in Las Vegas.

My friend said this year she was not going to be able to keep giving money for charities.She gave for Ukraine, Maui and any tragic thing she read about.She however said since this happened in her own back yard they will be supporting the go fund me for this guy.My friend is getting a new electric wheelchair soon and needs funds to help pay for it.She's been using the same old manual one for 25 years now.Since she also is in a wheelchair she is freaking out about fires now.She can pull herself out of her chair and slowing with support sort of walk a short distance.She said she could perhaps climb out her window if needed. The women who burnt couldn't walk at all.My friend in N.Ca son burnt their house in Simi when he was a child. He was playing with matches.Burn one bedroom down, new remodel of that part of the house.Weird thing is his grandfather was a LA country fireman and now he is also a fireman in N Ca.My step-father played with matches as a child and caught himself on fire.He had a large burn scare on his calf.My auntie was one of the first switchboard operators for both her local fire and police dept. This was before the system was 911.She helped train the new 911 operators.I did a ride along with her and one of her co-workers in Conn.where we followed the fire truck at a house fire. Met the fire chief and crew who knew my auntie.My step-father also said as a child  a house caught on fire and a man burnt up. He said he would never forget the smell.I almost burnt our apt. a few years back when I got home from oral surgery.Took my pain pill and was feeling painfree...Used a funky old electric heater my MIL owned( should of been in the trash).I got up to make some tea and threw off a blanket  I was using right onto the heater. Made the tea and opened the door of my room.Blanket was on fire, almost got the curtains a blaze. I called my husband who unplugged the heater and removed the blanket.he burnt himself lightly.Space case me using a space heater!Super careful now and would rather freeze then do that again.Not too much damage was done, black spot on the floor which came right off with a good washing.I just hope my neighbors aren't fire bugs.Insurance claims... My sister's old BF ,one of them was a personal injury lawyer. The firm he worked at had done very well.They handled a few of the cases from the MGM fire in Las Vegas.        -@Marilyn Tassy

I think charities are feeling the cost of living crisis as well as everyone else.  I support a couple of charities including a homeless one but I'm thinking of changing them around as other priorities are appearing. 

Those lawyers are ambulance chasers.  My SIL got money for whiplash after her car was rear ended.  I don't think she actually got too much out of it as the lawyers took most of the money.   My own mother got money after tripping and falling in a town due to uneven paving.  Insurers paid but the local government was negligent and owned up immediately.   She ended up taken away by ambulance bruised and battered and several hours in hospital. It wasn't just trivial.  She looked liked she'd been beaten up.  Obviously the healthcare part was free but she did get money for pain and suffering from the insurers.

It's a shame that no-one brings your friend a wheelchair.  My Dad's electric scooter is at his apartment, parked up unused.  In the place he lived in, there is a storage area where all the old mobility aids go to die after their owners have popped their cloggs/kicked the bucket.  Some of them are quite good, almost new and nearly unused. No-one wants them and often there's no-one left to sell them or deal with them - the deceased's kids never go there or live abroad.    Maybe your friend's other half could ask at old people's homes if they have any newer ones.  The homes might just give them away to clear the space.

My MIL needs mobility aids and we've got access to all my Dad's ones but they are all in the UK, not here.  I'd have to go by car to collect them all.  I guess sometime I'll have to do that anyway to collect anything of his I want.  Maybe my MIL won't be capable of using these things.  She cannot go out on her own now.  Her mind wanders and her reality distorted.  What I cannot get is the sitting mindlessly doing nothing in the dark.  Like WTF? 

It's too bad there is a unused mobility chair available but  no way to get it into Hungary.

I mentioned and even did some online reasearch in Vegas for my friend to pick up a used chair.

I also mentioned to her that perhaps some senior housing place might know of a good used electric chair for cheap.

I saw on craigslist that used  electric ones were going for $2,500.

A scooter on that site used was going for $700. or so.

With medicare for seniors she can buy a new scooter with her co-pay of $1,000.

She had wanted a pink chair, I had no idea they do designer types of chairs.

She sometimes blows my mind. Over the years she has inherited several homes and sold them.

Huge profit, why didn't she buy herself a nice chair years ago?

Perhaps she was in denial about needing one long term?

In the past 5 or so years since they moved, her husband still hasn't built her a ramp for her chair.

IDK,priorites?

Lawyers can be ambulance chasers but then again, the entire system with insurance is a rip off scam.

If you do not hire a lawyer to handle an accidnet case, your own insurance co. tries to get out of paying what is due.

The stress of an accident plus all the phone calls and trying to physically heal if you're hurt is too much without legal aid.

In the US it usually goes like this, 1/3 for you, 1/3 for the doctors and 1/3rd for the lawyers.

Sometimes your 1/3 shared is more then your own insurance when even offer you on your own.

Back to scooters and scammers...

People are sometimes just ruthless.

I remember when I was dealing cards in Vegas.

I heard all sorts of terrible things coming out of the mouths of these low life gamblers.

One guy was bragging about selling ,"lemon" cars to working class smucks and yet another was going on about some thing he had going on with medicare and wheelchairs.

IDK the details but he was selling over the phone ways for seniors to get medicare to help them pay for a wheelchair.

Info that anyone could find out on their own with a bit of research.

I'm not agaist anyone making an honest buck but these were more like scammers then entrepreneurs.

Speaking of gambling, bought a lotto ticket today, may the stars be in my favor!

I will not be holding my breath however...

    It's too bad there is a unused mobility chair available but  no way to get it into Hungary.
I mentioned and even did some online research in Vegas for my friend to pick up a used chair.
I also mentioned to her that perhaps some senior housing place might know of a good used electric chair for cheap.
I saw on craigslist that used  electric ones were going for $2,500.
A scooter on that site used was going for $700. or so.
With medicare for seniors she can buy a new scooter with her co-pay of $1,000.
She had wanted a pink chair, I had no idea they do designer types of chairs.
She sometimes blows my mind. Over the years she has inherited several homes and sold them.
Huge profit, why didn't she buy herself a nice chair years ago?
Perhaps she was in denial about needing one long term?
In the past 5 or so years since they moved, her husband still hasn't built her a ramp for her chair.
IDK,priorites?

Lawyers can be ambulance chasers but then again, the entire system with insurance is a rip off scam.
If you do not hire a lawyer to handle an accidnet case, your own insurance co. tries to get out of paying what is due.
The stress of an accident plus all the phone calls and trying to physically heal if you're hurt is too much without legal aid.
In the US it usually goes like this, 1/3 for you, 1/3 for the doctors and 1/3rd for the lawyers.
Sometimes your 1/3 shared is more then your own insurance when even offer you on your own.
Back to scooters and scammers...
People are sometimes just ruthless.
I remember when I was dealing cards in Vegas.
I heard all sorts of terrible things coming out of the mouths of these low life gamblers.
One guy was bragging about selling ,"lemon" cars to working class smucks and yet another was going on about some thing he had going on with medicare and wheelchairs.
IDK the details but he was selling over the phone ways for seniors to get medicare to help them pay for a wheelchair.
Info that anyone could find out on their own with a bit of research.
I'm not agaist anyone making an honest buck but these were more like scammers then entrepreneurs.
Speaking of gambling, bought a lotto ticket today, may the stars be in my favor!
I will not be holding my breath however...
   

    -@Marilyn Tassy

Yes, you cannot give away mobility aids in the UK. Things like crutches and zimmer frames are not taken back by the NHS as they cannot pass the safety inspections.  They are given out free.  So they just get dumped as it's not worth trying to re-use them.  Costs more to inspect them than just recycle.

In the UK, the government would come around and build a ramp for your friend.  They make alterations to properties so the disabled person can live independently and get around.  Moreover, they'd pay the husband something to look after her as well.  It's not a great deal of money but it's something.    Well, not very relevant.

I am not very happy about insurance. I wanted to claim on one policy but it was impossible to find out how to do it.   And renewal is coming around so one has to wonder about the value gained. It wasn't cheap either.

We do the lottery fairly regularly both here and if I'm in the UK sometimes I do it.  Never won a damn thing. It's a tax on hope!

Yes, you cannot give away mobility aids in the UK. Things like crutches and zimmer frames are not taken back by the NHS as they cannot pass the safety inspections.  They are given out free.  So they just get dumped as it's not worth trying to re-use them.  Costs more to inspect them than just recycle.

In the UK, the government would come around and build a ramp for your friend.  They make alterations to properties so the disabled person can live independently and get around.  Moreover, they'd pay the husband something to look after her as well.  It's not a great deal of money but it's something.    Well, not very relevant.

I am not very happy about insurance. I wanted to claim on one policy but it was impossible to find out how to do it.   And renewal is coming around so one has to wonder about the value gained. It wasn't cheap either.

We do the lottery fairly regularly both here and if I'm in the UK sometimes I do it.  Never won a damn thing. It's a tax on hope!
   

    -@fluffy2560

No wonder the NHS is in such a mess and wastes so much money.

No wonder the NHS is in such a mess and wastes so much money.     

    -@SimCityAT

It's a tough one.  One thinks it's sensible to re-use but the chances of a failure even after testing and liability ensuing makes it a harder calculation. 

My parents had mobility aids like electric scooters and wheelchairs and they paid for them.   The worst thing to have in your house is a stair lift. These things are a necessity for some people but the price is a rip off and you cannot get rid of them for any money. 

Those things are all customised but my own thinking is there must be a way of having a modular version which can be assembled like Lego and redeployed elsewhere.

Yes, you cannot give away mobility aids in the UK. Things like crutches and zimmer frames are not taken back by the NHS as they cannot pass the safety inspections.  They are given out free.  So they just get dumped as it's not worth trying to re-use them.  Costs more to inspect them than just recycle. In the UK, the government would come around and build a ramp for your friend.  They make alterations to properties so the disabled person can live independently and get around.  Moreover, they'd pay the husband something to look after her as well.  It's not a great deal of money but it's something.    Well, not very relevant.I am not very happy about insurance. I wanted to claim on one policy but it was impossible to find out how to do it.   And renewal is coming around so one has to wonder about the value gained. It wasn't cheap either.We do the lottery fairly regularly both here and if I'm in the UK sometimes I do it.  Never won a damn thing. It's a tax on hope!        -@fluffy2560

No longer the case; the NHS now take back walking aids (link).

The company I worked for before I retired was heavily into recycling and reusing the more exotic items (surgical beds, surgical equipment) - link; not the people I worked for, but a competitor; such items could save the NHS many tens of thousands of pounds; they even expanded the UN dangerous goods transport regulations to cater for potentially infectious equipment from the treatment of humans and animals

Here in Austria, you have to rent them or buy them. I got my aid from free ads.

I guess I could have bought one as they were only €100, but why pay if it's free? I did pay  €20 for my walking stick.

No longer the case; the NHS now take back walking aids (link).
The company I worked for before I retired was heavily into recycling and reusing the more exotic items (surgical beds, surgical equipment) - link; not the people I worked for, but a competitor; such items could save the NHS many tens of thousands of pounds; they even expanded the UN dangerous goods transport regulations to cater for potentially infectious equipment from the treatment of humans and animals
   
    -@Cynic

Thank god for that.  They weren't doing it at one time. I am glad things have changed.  I suppose public pressure brought that on. 

Meanwhile, funny attitudes abound here. 

I bought some "safety handles" for my MIL so she could hold on to them and get in and out of the bath more easily and the amount of resistance I've had on these handles being installed is something else.  I was going to put them in myself but everyone has been sceptical it does any good, so I haven't done it.  The handles are still in their boxes. By the time they make a decision, I'd be old enough to need them myself in my house instead.

I've suggested we have some Internet cameras to monitor my MIL but again others sceptical of the value.  I used to have cameras to monitor my Mum and Dad.   They welcomed them and we did use them to check on them.  Make sure they weren't lying injured on the floor.  There's resistance here on the idea. It's not about privacy, it seems to be an idea it's just not necessary. 

    Here in Austria, you have to rent them or buy them. I got my aid from free ads.


I guess I could have bought one as they were only €100, but why pay if it's free? I did pay  €20 for my walking stick.
   

    -@SimCityAT

One of those but with electric assistance was in the cellar of my Dad's sheltered housing.  No-one wanted it. I know it was only a couple of months old. I think one of the other residents took it.   

There were also several others very similar.  We had several collapsible walking sticks. I brought them back here from the UK in my suitcase and gave them away.

    No longer the case; the NHS now take back walking aids (link).The company I worked for before I retired was heavily into recycling and reusing the more exotic items (surgical beds, surgical equipment) - link; not the people I worked for, but a competitor; such items could save the NHS many tens of thousands of pounds; they even expanded the UN dangerous goods transport regulations to cater for potentially infectious equipment from the treatment of humans and animals        -@Cynic

Thank god for that.  They weren't doing it at one time. I am glad things have changed.  I suppose public pressure brought that on. 

Meanwhile, funny attitudes abound here. 

I bought some "safety handles" for my MIL so she could hold on to them and get in and out of the bath more easily and the amount of resistance I've had on these handles being installed is something else.  I was going to put them in myself but everyone has been sceptical it does any good, so I haven't done it.  The handles are still in their boxes. By the time they make a decision, I'd be old enough to need them myself in my house instead.

I've suggested we have some Internet cameras to monitor my MIL but again others sceptical of the value.  I used to have cameras to monitor my Mum and Dad.   They welcomed them and we did use them to check on them.  Make sure they weren't lying injured on the floor.  There's resistance here on the idea. It's not about privacy, it seems to be an idea it's just not necessary. 
   

    -@fluffy2560

I just asked Mrs C what they do at her surgery; they don't get involved with it; you have to take it to the local Recycling centre, ours is in Tadcaster, 6 miles from here; from there they go back into the NHS for re-use.  I remember seeing an ISO container on the ground there but never added up the 1+1.

Facts about Royal Caribbean's New Icon of the Seas

• Royal Caribbean's Icon of the Seas set sail from Miami in Florida on Saturday with a capacity for up to 7,600 passengers and 2,350 crew members.

• The ship runs nearly 1,200ft (365m) from bow to stern and is divided into eight neighbourhoods across 20 decks.

• The vessel features six waterslides, seven swimming pools, an ice skating rink, a theatre and more than 40 restaurants, bars and lounges.

I don't mind a ferry/cruise. But that would be hell to me.

    Facts about Royal Caribbean's New Icon of the Seas

Royal Caribbean's Icon of the Seas set sail from Miami in Florida on Saturday with a capacity for up to 7,600 passengers and 2,350 crew members.

The ship runs nearly 1,200ft (365m) from bow to stern and is divided into eight neighbourhoods across 20 decks.

The vessel features six waterslides, seven swimming pools, an ice skating rink, a theatre and more than 40 restaurants, bars and lounges.

I don't mind a ferry/cruise. But that would be hell to me.
   

    -@SimCityAT

We're contemplating going on one of the Rhine cruises next year.  Those big cruise liners don't appeal to us.

    Facts about Royal Caribbean's New Icon of the Seas

Royal Caribbean's Icon of the Seas set sail from Miami in Florida on Saturday with a capacity for up to 7,600 passengers and 2,350 crew members.

The ship runs nearly 1,200ft (365m) from bow to stern and is divided into eight neighbourhoods across 20 decks.

The vessel features six waterslides, seven swimming pools, an ice skating rink, a theatre and more than 40 restaurants, bars and lounges.

I don't mind a ferry/cruise. But that would be hell to me.
   

    -@SimCityAT

Actually it's quite boring on a cruise.  We went on one last year around the Med.  You're trapped on the ship for extended periods. It's more for older people.  The fun palace aspect is not that great.  Kids liked it I suppose. And visits to ports brings almost nothing to local economies.  What can you do in just a few hours anyway?  See perhaps 1 or 2 things.  Hardly any time to get the feel for it. 

    Facts about Royal Caribbean's New Icon of the SeasRoyal Caribbean's Icon of the Seas set sail from Miami in Florida on Saturday with a capacity for up to 7,600 passengers and 2,350 crew members.The ship runs nearly 1,200ft (365m) from bow to stern and is divided into eight neighbourhoods across 20 decks.The vessel features six waterslides, seven swimming pools, an ice skating rink, a theatre and more than 40 restaurants, bars and lounges.I don't mind a ferry/cruise. But that would be hell to me.         -@SimCityAT

Saw a U tube poster showing this monster cruise ship.

Surfing on a boat while the real ocean is right there.

My cosuin and his Thai wife are visiting Thailand right now. Seeing her family but did they have to rub in the beaurtiful photos of their 5 star hotel with private swimming pool on the beach?

Really cuts deep with this terrible weather we are having.

I think they've been to just about every country on earth , perhaps not N. Korea but I wouldn't be surprised if they did visit there too.

When they visited us twice in Budapest they went just 2 1/2-3 star, nothing special .

I think since they now are both retired, their daughter finished collage and no one is getting any younger, they are opening up their wallets and doing it in style.

I remember in Conn.  when I was 4 and he and his siblings would go nuts in our house because we had a huge back yard and single family home to play in.

They grew up in those projects , some gov. type housing units.

He sure made up for lost time.

I'm sure if we had never moved from Conn. and my many, many male cousins, would of introduced their female cousins to their freinds and we might never of left Conn.

We have so many more boys in the fam then girls.

In the 1960's my grandfather had 19 grandchildren and only 4 or 5 were girls.

Strange how small things like moving can and do change everything.

I know in the US the medicare system does pay family members that qualify to care for disabled family members.

My hairdresser friend did it for a short time with her mom who had cancer.

They money wasn't enough compaired to doing hair but she tried for a bit. She had to take a course about health care first.

My cousin in NM also cared for her mom with breast and bone cancer for a couple of years in her home. She got a bit of money, maybe it came from the SS system?

She had to also take a course in health care first.

My hairdresser said her mom was such a terror that all the aid workers quit on her, that's why she stepped in. In the end she also couldn't handle her mom and had to put her in a home.

I once almost gave it a go with in home health care. My neighbor was doing it and said it was interesting, needed and fun.

I had to get shots, take a food safety course and then attended a class that was suppose to be several days long.

I left for good at the first break. Wasn't for me at all.

I was under the impression that it was light housekeeping, running errands, driving the person to doc appointments etc.

Nothing super personal.

Well, in that health class they started off saying you had to be willing to wash and change nappies on adults... No way, I walked out and never looked back. Wasted my time and got those silly Hep. C shots at my own expense.

Now I know it's best to really research anything before jumping in.

This was over 20 years ago and my memory is that the agency you worked for charged the family $40. and hour for a helper to come in. Think our pay was $10.00 an hour,much less then being a casino dealer. I'm sure the cost and pay are more now. I couldn't change a nappie for any price.

What a scam for the agency, plus they asked the aids to supply their own gloves and cleaning equipment etc. Rip off, a job .

My friend had her silly doc out in Kingman AZ put in a request for her wheelchair.

I don't know all the details but she did it all messed up.

After 6 months of waiting , some guy shows up to show her her selection of chairs that medicare is willing to help pay for, she still has to do her co-pay.

Only 2 choices, one was over 150lbs. no way her husband could lug that around without getting a lift for their car, the other chair was more of a scoter. My friends feet are twisted outwards. No way would her feet stay in the chair.

Now she is restarting a request with her old doc in Vegas.

Who knows, she might be died by the time they help her out.

I bought a pair of crutches post knee surgery here in Hungary. Very cheap, around $5.00 for them.

IDK what exactly my friends issue is. Started in her mid 20's, slowly losing muscle control of her legs. Went from cane, walker to wheelchair.

Very sad really, she used to be super active, on the school running team, skiing and body surfing.

We thought it was MS at first but no, it's something no one has an answer for.

Her hands are now giving out, that's why she needs to go electric.

I personally think a camera system would be useful for your MIL, Mr. Fluffy.

At least someone would know if she went down.

My MIL was a stubborn lady who refused to move into a care home. Lived alone in her house with a huge 2 lots property.

My SIL would pop over once a day , maybe. She found my MIL down in her garden once, she had been laying there for hours. Good thing it wasn't in winter.

My friend too,is stubborn. She will take a shower when she knows her husband might not be home for hours. She slipped off her transfer bar once and was laying in the shower for over an hour before he found her.

She is always hurting herself like that.

Her husband is 75 and who knows how long he can keep caring for her when she is so reckless at times.

We used to laugh at those old tv adds with an old person laying on the floor saying ,"Help, I've fallen and I can't get up". Not really very funny after all.

Maybe a monitor for your MIL if she could remember to sound the alarm?

Doesn't do much good though if she should hit her head falling.

    Facts about Royal Caribbean's New Icon of the SeasI don't mind a ferry/cruise. But that would be hell to me.         -@SimCityAT

Horses for courses. I think the idea is rubbish, but loads of people love the thought.

Give me a backpack, an ultralight tent, and a Swiss army knife any day of the week.

I got my aid from free ads.   

    -@SimCityAT

All this time the doctors were wrong?????

They told everyone it was an STD

Horses for courses. I think the idea is rubbish, but loats of people love the thought.
Give me a backpack, an ultralight tent, and a Swiss army knife any day of the week.
   

    -@Fred

No cable TV and Internet marginal in a tent.

On our cruise, I told Mrs Fluffy I didn't want to get off in some ports as we never really took advantage of the features of the ship.  In the end, we got off everywhere but never had enough time. Even the kids only used the pools and slides once.   We never went to the on-board theatre or used any facilities really.   We just ran out of time each day,

TBH, I wish we hadn't done it.  At the time we rationalised it was cheaper than short term renting an apartment for 4 for a week.  On the ship, all the food and drink was free.  But I reckon it would have been better to go to a region or area with a beach and stay a week and get to look around using our own car. 

On the other hand, we did cover the miles though which we couldn't easily getting to some places by road.

   
    Facts about Royal Caribbean's New Icon of the SeasI don't mind a ferry/cruise. But that would be hell to me.         -@SimCityAT

Horses for courses. I think the idea is rubbish, but loads of people love the thought.
Give me a backpack, an ultralight tent, and a Swiss army knife any day of the week.
   

-@Fred

Exactly, I'd actually LOVE being on a deserted Island as long as I have my music,food and fresh water and a few bars of soap.People are over rated much of the time.( Would be great to have a care package dropped off every so often)

We a;ll arfe in differnt stages of being,'Awake" to the games ect.

Fool me once  but no way fool me twice.

Some days I am a city hermit and I love it.

Just need a great place to swim and chill, people not neeeded... OK . maybe a few.

    Horses for courses. I think the idea is rubbish, but loats of people love the thought.Give me a backpack, an ultralight tent, and a Swiss army knife any day of the week.        -@FredNo cable TV and Internet marginal in a tent.On our cruise, I told Mrs Fluffy I didn't want to get off in some ports as we never really took advantage of the features of the ship.  In the end, we got off everywhere but never had enough time. Even the kids only used the pools and slides once.   We never went to the on-board theatre or used any facilities really.   We just ran out of time each day, TBH, I wish we hadn't done it.  At the time we rationalised it was cheaper than short term renting an apartment for 4 for a week.  On the ship, all the food and drink was free.  But I reckon it would have been better to go to a region or area with a beach and stay a week and get to look around using our own car.  On the other hand, we did cover the miles though which we couldn't easily getting to some places by road.        -@fluffy2560

We've never been on a crusie but think it would make us both seasick if we did.

The few times I've been onboard, I have felt ill. My husband got ill on the day crusie to Catalina Island off of Ca.

My father left SE Poland around the late 1920's as a small boy.

His one armed mother and baby sister traveled with him.

His father happened to be born in the US although he was the first generation of Ruysn parents.

My father said no one ate a thing for the 2 weeks or so that it took to cross the Alantic.

Everyone staying in their bunks with a pan near by for any accidents.

I suppose those ships in the 3rd class areas were a nightmare.

Even as an adult my father seemed to still remember the smell and  distress of the crosssing by sea all those decades before.

I personally think a camera system would be useful for your MIL, Mr. Fluffy.
At least someone would know if she went down.
My MIL was a stubborn lady who refused to move into a care home. Lived alone in her house with a huge 2 lots property.
My SIL would pop over once a day , maybe. She found my MIL down in her garden once, she had been laying there for hours. Good thing it wasn't in winter.
My friend too,is stubborn. She will take a shower when she knows her husband might not be home for hours. She slipped off her transfer bar once and was laying in the shower for over an hour before he found her.
She is always hurting herself like that.
Her husband is 75 and who knows how long he can keep caring for her when she is so reckless at times.

We used to laugh at those old tv adds with an old person laying on the floor saying ,"Help, I've fallen and I can't get up". Not really very funny after all.
Maybe a monitor for your MIL if she could remember to sound the alarm?
Doesn't do much good though if she should hit her head falling.
   
    -@Marilyn Tassy

Falling over seems all too common for the older generation.  My BIL in the UK falls over all the time but he's got Parkinson's so is incredibly wobbly.  This is where special handles on the walls help.  But meanwhile at the MIL, we've had two instances of falling over, one more serious than the other. I won't go into it much but one needed an ambulance as lifting someone who is dead weight is very difficult.  Needed two burly guys to get her up. 

The latest thing is disconnecting things like the TV and lights and then saying they don't work.  I had to reconnect the TV yesterday as it had become disconnected with the cables not in the back of the TV.   And we thought the light bulb had gone in her reading lamp only to discover it's disconnected/unplugged.  Why was it all unplugged?  No-one knows.

There have been other incidences of late where odd things happen which aren't very nice but there's no point in saying anything, it's not like she knows what is going on and admonishing her will get nowhere.  We wondered if fussing around her was creating a kind of dependency on other people but I think if no-one came, she'd simply die in a chair in the dark.  It's fairly common for dementia people to forget to eat and drink and to not know how to get dressed or keep warm.

As for alarms, she wouldn't know what to do even if the alarm went off, nor could she use it to summon help.   She'd just sit or lay there in a daze.  At least if we could see her on camera, we'd know what was going on at that particular moment.  We can use cameras you can point and move and possibly zoom.  I can put one or more cameras up high enough to get a room overview.

I've told Mrs F that we need to be on the job to get her into a home asap because the MIL is becoming too difficult to handle. It can take months to find a decent affordable place so it needs to be started now.   I don't think they are taking her illness seriously enough.

That is a serious worry.

I'd probably put up the cameras even if no other family members support the idea.

Better then nothing and worrying every moment about what's going on at her place.

Too bad there isn't anyone who can stay with her until a home is found.

My friend in N. Ca. lives on a family compound. Her parents lived with them in their own home.

When her mother got to be on the dangerous side they placed her in a home.

It's was emotionally hard but it was for the best.

It's such a shame when someone's quailty of life ges down like that.

My husband has a few of those monitor type cameras but so far hasn't set them up, need to do it way before we take a trip anywhere. Can see what's going on nline without having to depend on neighbors or a expensive monitoring service.

They aren't very expensive to buy.

Often those handicapped bars aren't placed in the right place as everyone has different needs and needs the grab bars set up for their own needs.

My handicapped friend never is satisfied with those handicapped restrooms.

Either the seat is too low, the bar too high and they are always dirty by her standards.

I tried to tell her it can't be as bad as what they had set up in the medical center here in Budapest.

Went in for a CT scan, they do MRI's and CT's in the same building.

Well, the ladies WC had no soap or paper towels to dry your hands but the worst was the WC door didn't shut properly, there was no TP or seat covers, and not even a seat! It was laying broken on the ground, also there was no light bulb!

OV should at least give out enough funds to the hospitals to keep things in order.

I joke with my husband whenever I go to get a CT that it's a good day, today they have TP and the light works! It's always a mystery WC trip here...

What do they think? That the public is going to steal the TP and light bulbs?

Our son has his BD today, I can hardly believe he turned 48!

Makes me feel ,"old as the hills" but then again I also feel like a spring chicken ready to explore the world. No one ages in their onw minds, it's everyone else who gets old , not them.

    That is a serious worry.
I'd probably put up the cameras even if no other family members support the idea.
Better then nothing and worrying every moment about what's going on at her place.
Too bad there isn't anyone who can stay with her until a home is found.
My friend in N. Ca. lives on a family compound. Her parents lived with them in their own home.
When her mother got to be on the dangerous side they placed her in a home.
It's was emotionally hard but it was for the best.
It's such a shame when someone's quailty of life ges down like that.
My husband has a few of those monitor type cameras but so far hasn't set them up, need to do it way before we take a trip anywhere. Can see what's going on nline without having to depend on neighbors or a expensive monitoring service.
They aren't very expensive to buy.

Often those handicapped bars aren't placed in the right place as everyone has different needs and needs the grab bars set up for their own needs.
My handicapped friend never is satisfied with those handicapped restrooms.
Either the seat is too low, the bar too high and they are always dirty by her standards.
I tried to tell her it can't be as bad as what they had set up in the medical center here in Budapest.
Went in for a CT scan, they do MRI's and CT's in the same building.
Well, the ladies WC had no soap or paper towels to dry your hands but the worst was the WC door didn't shut properly, there was no TP or seat covers, and not even a seat! It was laying broken on the ground, also there was no light bulb!
OV should at least give out enough funds to the hospitals to keep things in order.
I joke with my husband whenever I go to get a CT that it's a good day, today they have TP and the light works! It's always a mystery WC trip here...
What do they think? That the public is going to steal the TP and light bulbs?

Our son has his BD today, I can hardly believe he turned 48!
Makes me feel ,"old as the hills" but then again I also feel like a spring chicken ready to explore the world. No one ages in their onw minds, it's everyone else who gets old , not them.


    -@Marilyn Tassy

I am not surprised that people will steal stuff from the hospital toilets.  People are poor and will take what they can.

I hope your son called you on his birthday.

I've asked Mrs F about the cameras but other matters have become important.  The TV has lost all its channels again.  We don't know what the MIL did.  Mrs F just gave up and left it as she had to pick up kids from school.

Dementia is a strange disease.  Funny and sad at the same time.

Today's dementia story is that apparently animals on the TV are talking to my MIL.  They tell her to do things.  I suppose the narrator was talking and she thinks it's the animals speaking.   Maybe she's turning into Dr Doolittle.  Who knows what is going on in that brain.  It's a bit off but we all had a laugh about that incident.

Events are probably overtaking us.  I think the cameras will become irrelevant because she'll go into a home.  It will be a relief because Mrs F won't have to dash about servicing her Mum's needs.  Eventually she won't even need visiting as she won't recognise anyone. It happened to my cousins.  Their Dad didn't know who they were as the disease progressed and they stopped visiting as he was in a home very far away.  It was a major effort for my cousins to get there and they just ended up talking to each other as their Dad was too far gone to join in.  Sad really.

We have a store called Action here, and we can pick up Kettle Chips and Hellmann's Mayonnaise for half the price of what we would pay in the UK

    We have a store called Action here, and we can pick up Kettle Chips and Hellmann's Mayonnaise for half the price of what we would pay in the UK
   

    -@SimCityAT

Yay - a Dutch multinational discount chain, like their version of Aldi/Lidl; we use it all the time when we are back there.

    We have a store called Action here, and we can pick up Kettle Chips and Hellmann's Mayonnaise for half the price of what we would pay in the UK
   

    -@SimCityAT

Oooo...do they do HP sauce, proper malt vinegar, Marmite, Bovril, salt and vinegar crisps etc?

        We have a store called Action here, and we can pick up Kettle Chips and Hellmann's Mayonnaise for half the price of what we would pay in the UK        -@SimCityAT

Yay - a Dutch multinational discount chain, like their version of Aldi/Lidl; we use it all the time when we are back there.
   

    -@Cynic

Aldi/Lidl/Hoffer are supermarkets so nothing like Action. Action is more like Woolworhs which is expanding across Europe.

            We have a store called Action here, and we can pick up Kettle Chips and Hellmann's Mayonnaise for half the price of what we would pay in the UK        -@SimCityATYay - a Dutch multinational discount chain, like their version of Aldi/Lidl; we use it all the time when we are back there.        -@Cynic

Aldi/Lidl/Hoffer are supermarkets so nothing like Action. Action is more like Woolworhs which is expanding across Europe.
   

    -@SimCityAT

Aldi and Lidl here middle-isles are expanding at an ever-increasing rate - 4 at our local and they are building extensions to sell even more non-food.