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fluffy2560 wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Ok, so here it is.
For 3,300 Forints you can sign up to get any updates on any issues with your property, an "alert" notice sent by e-mail.
2 times a year you can go into the land management office and see what they have on file about your property, it is actually public info.
For 6,000 forints you can get a hard copy of your title info as on file at their office.

I think that's ridiculous to charge any money at all.

Asking for information about something you own. Cheek of it!

Public info my eye.

Actually, not all information about what you own it is always public information. The land office will not give out a lot of information about land owners, even for a price, or just because you ask. But they will give it to you if you prove you own the land.

And you are not buying public information about your property. You are buying government formatted and officially "stamped" information. They charge for the stamp, the paper, the ink to print it out, etc. etc. etc. If you want it "free" then we all have to pay higher taxes. But then it still is not really "free" is it?

And the land office actually does not have a lot of important information, such as the exact survey markers of land boundaries. I had to pay a surveyor for that.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

The gov. everywhere seems to just love to put fear in people's hearts, makes no sense at all other then a control tactic.

I was the only kid interested in my mom's tales of the past.
She always said she should write a book but never did.
Most old photos I've tried to date and put names on but cousins etc. may get lost in the mix.
We have a suitcase full of photos from the past, before digital cameras.
Several albums too, not sure our son even is interested and most of the photos are of him.
I've had my husband scan many and post on our computer for easier access.

My mom had a house fire when she was a child and most of the photos of her native family were lost.
Really a shame, she said she had photos of native men with their long braids etc. Would be cool now to blow them up and hang them on a wall.

The weather is great, have to get out today for another walk while it's sunny and not too chilly out.
!

I think the politicians come out with these outrageous ideas for policies because they want to gauge reaction.  So probably 65 years old to take away licenses was running the idea up the flagpole to see if anyone saluted it.  But really their policy will end with some nonsense like 85.  That's if it's  really true anyway.

Sorry all the photos were lost. What a shame.  We also wonder how to preserve our paper or our digital pictures. All we can think of is to put them in cloud storage and share them with other family members and the kids.  We have over 270 GB of digital images stored on a couple of disk drives.   

What I've found is that as one gets older people get more interested in the past and family matters. Maybe your son will pick it up sometime.  I realised my own parents are finite and I should get them to talk about the past and history.  They lived through momentous events.

The internet is quite a strange world,  I got quite interested in the story of Japanese-American kids and  read about it a bit online.  Really terrible what happened to the ethnic Japanese in the USA after Pearl Harbour what with internment etc.  Eventually I was led via various links to the story of Guy Galbadon and found one way or another the movie with Jeffrey Hunter and others.   Quite a story!

fluffy2560 wrote:

For 6,000 forints you can get a hard copy of your title info as on file at their office.
I think that's ridiculous to charge any money at all..

Actually we just went to the land registry yesterday, there are still some old debts on this property we bought, one of the daughters of the property has not removed her addresss. It didn't cost us ANYTHING so maybe it depends exactly what you were asking... that one was free.-.-. but somewhere to get the deed looked up cost us 1.000 Ft for some bit of paperwork.

They are valid for six months I think  it might be three... certainly thety "expire". Fluffy has the right advice but maybe it varies from district to district, I don't know. We thought when we boufgt the place all the debts were paid off, as part of the contract, but lately a comany - I forget the name but no doubt a bailif=loan repayment company - has been asking us or rather previous owner for 1.5 million forints that is some unpaid debt she has. Of course we got it sorted and removed immediately, but when yuo get the deed you have to make sure that all previous owners, etc etc are removed from the deed. We thought we had and then six months later someone is still using our address. NOT ANY MORE THEY AREN'T.

Good advice from Fluffster, and good advice from me: check the deed and STILL later you will get bills from any previous owners. Basically they will scarper leavng you the debts, if you are not careful. We ARE careful and are not going to pay their debts. But you have to keep on top of it.

Excellent advice there from Fluffster. I would correct on one minor point - unless it varies in my district .- I can go any working day, it is not limited to which days of the year you can go,. I doubt fluffster meant that, but to clarify: you can go any working day they are open, just the deed only is VALID for six months so that go twice (2 times) a year. I am sure that is what Fluffster meant but just to clear up any confusion for newbies to Hungary.

Also GET THERE FIRST as they tend to get a bit busy so unless you want to wait a couple of hours, get there wzhen they open or a bit before, so you are not waiting around forever.

For Newbies to Hungary - this probably is better in a different forum - check the deed/land registry details very carefully. My wife, who is Hungarian, and I, who has liveved here nearly five years, did check carefully. VERY carefully. Yet still we get dunning letters from the previous owners - had we not called the firm at OUR expense we would probably have people removing our furniture, which is fine by  me because it is jut rubbish from IKEA and would save me the cost of a skip .- but I doubt that is what they are going to take, they would probably take my posh fridge and the oven and the whatever, that is how bailiffs or reposession companies work.

One of the slight surprises since I own half a share of the property is the land registry/deed office did not ask me for any ID etc. Of course, had I not gone along, they would have done... you can get it online a copy for 1.000 Ft but that will not be an "official" copy and we needed an "official" copy for some reason to do something else. Of course I can add weblinks etc but don't want to flood this conversation. I am just trying to add advice to newbies and this is probably better moved somewhere else by an admin, I leave that to their judgment. I can do it in Hungarian if you want but since this is English speaking forum I am keeping it in English. There is no direct translation for land registry, Fluffster used some other word, deed office or whatever.

It is not just a Hungarian thing -. I had the same thing where we rented in UK and the landlady hadn't paid a debt, of course we were bang up to date with the rent etc. Very nice man knocked on my door I said are you the bailiff? Because you are not coming in if you are the bailiff. No, I jusdt have a debt recorded on the property. Lovely fellow we sat down over a cup of tea, I showed him all the rent receipts I said use my phone we have to call the letting agency because I don't know her address but the letting agent will have it on file, but my contract is with the letting agent not the landlady. The agent said to me on the phone, oh "don't worry it is only about two thousand pounds".,.... to me that is a lot of money. Also, if there is then a debt on the póroperty I can't borrow when I need to. Haven't got no debts, own my own house with no mortgage, but live within my means. I would love to be able to do more, but live within my means and never took a penny off the state in handouts.

SimonTrew wrote:

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Excellent advice there from Fluffster. I would correct on one minor point - unless it varies in my district .- I can go any working day, it is not limited to which days of the year you can go,. I doubt fluffster meant that, but to clarify: you can go any working day they are open, just the deed only is VALID for six months so that go twice (2 times) a year. I am sure that is what Fluffster meant but just to clear up any confusion for newbies to Hungary...

Just to clear up one thing, it wasn't me, it was Marilyn who offered the good advice.  I urge careful attribution.

But just to chuck things into the mix, our land boundary dispute is still not resolved.  We've been informed that it went our way but there was an appeals procedure time limit which has now expired but we still have not had the final notice which was supposed to be 15 days after the decision.  We should have been informed the neighbours had not appealed by now and we were free to move our fence.  So it's 30 days  for the decision plus 15 days for appeal, 45 days in total, but in reality, it's whatever time period they feel like.

Just to make it even more annoying, we cannot hire someone to move the fence until we have the paperwork.  And now we're getting into winter and it won't be easy to build it or find someone available.  Another opportunity lost.  2019 will be the year of the fence fingers crossed.

SimonTrew wrote:

Actually we just went to the land registry yesterday, there are still some old debts on this property we bought, one of the daughters of the property has not removed her addresss. It didn't cost us ANYTHING so maybe it depends exactly what you were asking... that one was free.-.-. but somewhere to get the deed looked up cost us 1.000 Ft for some bit of paperwork.

The land office will indeed often just printout basic information without cost. But it really means nothing, only info for you. No office will accept it as official.

But to get official paperwork (i.e. a real deed or whatever) with all the stamps, etc., requires a fee.

Jumped over here  from Language barrier page... Was getting off topic again.

It is wonderful outside, probably staying in today since we are doing stuff on the internet and it's my husband's 71st today!
have to start cooking a nice BD meal for him soon.
Open up the bubbly and cook, one of my fave things to do, cook and drink at the same time!
I think it's cute when couples meet and can hardly speak but still find ways to communicate, words can be empty while feelings are real.
My son's wife speaks good enough English but she is so quiet that sometimes I don't think she understands English at all.
I't just too cute when my Hungarian husband and she speak, seeing them both talking in English is sweet, funny and heartwarming sometimes.
Sometimes they both look at me like ,"Help"!
If my husband hadn't been so darn cute when we met, I'm not sure I would of given him the time of day so maybe I'm too hard on Hungarians for not trying to understand our broken Hungarian.

SimonTrew wrote:

For Newbies to Hungary - this probably is better in a different forum - check the deed/land registry details very carefully. My wife, who is Hungarian, and I, who has liveved here nearly five years, did check carefully. VERY carefully. Yet still we get dunning letters from the previous owners -

One can not buy property in Hungary without an attorney. It is the attourney's job to make sure there are no leans or other issues on the property. It is not "up to newbies" to do this. The "newbie" only needs to hire a competent, honest attorney (but I admit -- easier said than done).

And one can easily stop such demand letters. It just means knowing how, and what office to contact. Nope, won't tell you how it is done. Since you seem to "know everything".....

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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I think it's cute when couples meet and can hardly speak but still find ways to communicate, words can be empty while feelings are real.
My son's wife speaks good enough English but she is so quiet that sometimes I don't think she understands English at all.
I't just too cute when my Hungarian husband and she speak, seeing them both talking in English is sweet, funny and heartwarming sometimes.
Sometimes they both look at me like ,"Help"!
If my husband hadn't been so darn cute when we met, I'm not sure I would of given him the time of day so maybe I'm too hard on Hungarians for not trying to understand our broken Hungarian.

My Mum and Dad have been married for 60+ years.  My Dad told me they'd be driving and one of them might see something but say nothing, but then the other would just say "Yes".  They just know.  Bordering on telepathy.....or Voodoo! Getting in the spirit early as it's nearly Halloween.

We've got visitors this sunny afternoon as it was HU Fluffyette No. 2's birthday a week or so ago and this the only time everyone could come.  It's the official friends birthday tomorrow - borrowing that method from the Queen, she has real and official birthdays.   The local Fluffyette birthday plans include the biggest Lego set I've seen in a long time.  I should be entertained for hours.

fluffy2560 wrote:

....we still have not had the final notice which was supposed to be 15 days after the decision.  We should have been informed the neighbours had not appealed by now and we were free to move our fence.  So it's 30 days  for the decision plus 15 days for appeal, 45 days in total, but in reality, it's whatever time period they feel like.

Took us two years to get all the paperwork and issues resolved for a new outgoing water system for our house (toilet, shower, bath, kitchen, etc). And, yes, the same "rules" were suppose to apply regarding decisions, timing, et al. The rules are a joke (but only when the government offices are suppose to follow them -- you better follow the deadlines, else you will get into a world of hurt).

A property line dispute is a real pain. But, think about it --- what is worse: Not being able to landscape for a while, or having to cross your legs and hold your bladder for two years...... 

Guess it's Libra time!
Happy BD to little Fluffy.
3 of my sibs are/were Lirba's and so is my hubby.
Sweet souls that can get confused so easily...
Me ,a mean old sarcastic Sag...
I have many Sag friends and I like them but I admit we sometimes are a bit rude, rough and just hard to put up with.
We are far too busy and far too loud to notice we are upsetting people.
It's a male dominated zodiac sign and Libra is female.
Fire and Air can sometimes be explosive!

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Guess it's Libra time!
Happy BD to little Fluffy.
3 of my sibs are/were Lirba's and so is my hubby.
Sweet souls that can get confused so easily...
Me ,a mean old sarcastic Sag...
I have many Sag friends and I like them but I admit we sometimes are a bit rude, rough and just hard to put up with.
We are far too busy and far too loud to notice we are upsetting people.
It's a male dominated zodiac sign and Libra is female.
Fire and Air can sometimes be explosive!

yes, Libra. 

But well, might as well call it Banana or Eggplant for all the difference it makes. Myself, I'm probably a cabbage or a turnip.  Never so exotic or exciting as say, a Pineapple or Greengage.

The adults have started on the palinka so it's downhill from here.  I'm on my second one.

The birthday Fluffyette is playing in the garden with the other Fluffyette and the newly acquired dog.

Wow, palinka, haven't dared have that for ages and ages now.
In Hilo I had a large lady about 180lbs. local Hawaiian who enjoyed her smoke daily and seemed tough try out a shot of palinka at our house. She got "messed up" on that stuff, was even too strong for her.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Wow, palinka, haven't dared have that for ages and ages now.
In Hilo I had a large lady about 180lbs. local Hawaiian who enjoyed her smoke daily and seemed tough try out a shot of palinka at our house. She got "messed up" on that stuff, was even too strong for her.

Palinka isn't so bad.   Unicum, now that's a special type of medicine.  Do you drink it or rub it on your chest when you have a cold?  My FIL likes his white wine and his wife likes her beer. I've now moved on from the palinka onto Merlot but when the guests have gone, I'm just going to have a blow out, go for broke, push the boat out, get radical and have a nice cup of tea.  We know how to party here like it's 1899.

At our family reunion in SE Poland  one of my many cousins that lives there is a school teacher, her husband is as well.
They also are tour guides on summer months( smart people have more then one egg in their baskets)
On the last night we were in Poland they had about 16 to 18 guests at their really nice home.
They brought out the homemade honey vodka and that was the end of me!
My husband had a blast too, he was dancing the polka all night long with younger relations, got a huge smack on his lips from one of my 80 something relations( who BTY happened to be a man!) My husband's face turned about 10 shades of red, maybe it was the vodka or maybe he really was shocked to get a big smack on the mouth.
It was funny as all heck, in Poland the thing is to kiss on the cheeks 3 times, one more then here in HU.
So my relation hugged him kissed each cheek once and just before going for the 3rd one someone said he was from Hungary.
That's what prompted the smack on the lips. Guess it's true the Poles and Hungarians really do like each other!!

What a beautiful day outside on this Saturday afternoon.
We drove over to the 10th district to check something out and were walking distance from the Nep Liget.
Parked and took a nice walk in that park.
Not much of anything going on there, nice green clean place but only a few walkers and joggers in that huge park.
I sort of enjoyed walking around without distractions.,Huge contrast to going over to Margret Island on a Sat.
Then my husband told me that a few years back a tourist women decided to take a night time walk in that park and was gang raped by some Gypsies and murdered.
At first they had no idea who she was but her hotel informed them after she never came back to check out.
Sad stuff, not a bad area overall, some new nice apts. have gone up right next to the park area.
Suppose one should never let their guard down and for sure not in a place new to them.
Only up side to that sad news was they all were captured, sort of a miracle considering it was night time and probably no witnesses around.
Some people really aren't exactly human after all.
Husband said he now thinks they have under cover police at that park but I still wouldn't go there alone at night.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Palinka isn't so bad.

Hm. Walked by a neighbor a few days ago. He offered me some Palinka. Rude to refuse. Home made stuff. Ouch. Almost had to lean on the dog when leaving.....

fluffy2560 wrote:

I'm just going to have a blow out, go for broke, push the boat out, get radical and have a nice cup of tea.  We know how to party here like it's 1899.

Sometimes a good cup of tea is perfect. Exactly what I want.

Maybe I am getting old.

Or becoming English. 

Not sure which is more frightening....   

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

What a beautiful day outside on this Saturday afternoon.
We drove over to the 10th district to check something out and were walking distance from the Nep Liget.
Parked and took a nice walk in that park.
Not much of anything going on there, nice green clean place but only a few walkers and joggers in that huge park..... gang raped by some Gypsies and murdered.
At first they had no idea who she was but her hotel informed them after she never came back to check out....
Some people really aren't exactly human after all.
Husband said he now thinks they have under cover police at that park but I still wouldn't go there alone at night.

Notwithstanding murders, have you tried doing some loops around the Buda hills? 

Take the tram 61 to end stop from Moscow Square, go up on the Children's Railway, walk to Normafa and onto Janoshegy and up Erzebet Tower, then take the chairlift down and a short walk to buses 22 or 222 and then onwards back to Moscow Square.  You can also do variations like up on the cog wheel railway, walk to Normafa, take the chairlift down etc or go up on the cog wheel railway, then walk down to Szep Ilona etc and bus 22/222. 

I am mountain biking all around that area so I know it quite well. 

If the day is as nice as it is now tomorrow, I think we might take the chairlift to Janoshegy and walk down.  It was showing 22 C today on the car.  It's an Indian summer and we should make the most of it!

klsallee wrote:

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Maybe I am getting old.

Or becoming English. 

Not sure which is more frightening....   

We had shop bought palinka - plum.  Wasn't bad but wasn't great.  I only say it was shop bought because it was in a fancy bottle but I suspect it could have been home brew put in that bottle to fool the likes of me.

Reality check: You have been injected with English genetic modifications if you want milk in your tea.  No true British person would ask for lemon.  Pff...heavens above.  Another test might be checking to see if Dick van Dyke's accent in Mary Poppins fooled you into believing he was carrying that accent off well.

I don't know how someone would fool an American - wear rattlesnake leather boots, check shirt, jeans, stetson and big belt buckles? Tendency to do line dancing? Like tacos?

fluffy2560 wrote:

Reality check: You have been injected with English genetic modifications if you want milk in your tea.  No true British person would ask for lemon.  Pff...heavens above.  Another test might be checking to see if Dick van Dyke's accent in Mary Poppins fooled you into believing he was carrying that accent off well.

I don't know how someone would fool an American - wear rattlesnake leather boots, check shirt, jeans, stetson and big belt buckles? Tendency to do line dancing? Like tacos?

Don't like milk in my tea.

Tea ruins the taste of good lemons.

Honestly, I liked Dick's accent.

Never had rattlesnake boots. But did have a rattlesnake belt. Even killed and skinned the snake myself (really, I did).

Never had a stetson, too expensive. Did have genetic "western" felt and straw hats however.

Never learned to line dance (but many friends did).

Love tacos, or any authentic Mexican food (still trying to find real authentic Mexican food in Europe).

Damn it. I went beyond two out of three ain't bad. I may be an American after all. And just getting old. Darn. I guess I need to vote in the coming election after all..... And vote for the the "Get off my lawn!" party.

klsallee wrote:

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Never had rattlesnake boots. But did have a rattlesnake belt. Even killed and skinned the snake myself (really, I did). ...

Hmmm....proof is in the rattlesnake.....did you eat it?

fluffy2560 wrote:

klsallee wrote:

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Never had rattlesnake boots. But did have a rattlesnake belt. Even killed and skinned the snake myself (really, I did). ...

Hmmm....proof is in the rattlesnake.....did you eat it?

No. Did not eat that snake. Too much blow to kingdom come by the shotgun. Yep. Had one of them too (spitting my wad from the corner of my mouth as I say this). Course then the shot meant I did not have to poke any holes in the skin for the belt -- them were already there. (another wad now strategically shot into a bin** from the corner of the mouth).

But just so you know, everyone has it wrong: Rattlesnake don't taste like chicken. Chicken tastes like rattlesnake.




** Being a redneck don't mean yah can't be neat. Or inaccurate. 

klsallee wrote:

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No. Did not eat that snake. Too much blow to kingdom come by the shotgun. Yep. Had one of them too (spitting my wad from the corner of my mouth as I say this). Course then the shot meant I did not have to poke any holes in the skin for the belt -- them were already there. (another wad now strategically shot into a bin** from the corner of the mouth).

But just so you know, everyone has it wrong: Rattlesnake don't taste like chicken. Chicken tastes like rattlesnake.




** Being a redneck don't mean yah can't be neat. Or inaccurate. 

Should I count his as a fail?  Are trying to pull a fast one with your tobacco oriented spitoon based diversionary tactics.  Good 'ol boy fluff.

Anyway, I've seen the Matrix and all goop tastes like chicken. 

I rest my case m'lud.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Are trying to pull a fast one

Naw, partner....I am a slow draw.... 

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

Are trying to pull a fast one

Naw, partner....I am a slow draw.... 

That was something else....unexpected even...

I was thinking more like this

fluffy2560 wrote:

My Mum and Dad have been married for 60+ years.

I am very happy for them. My Dad unfortunately died a couple of years short of my Mum and Dad's 50th wedding anniversary, she joked in her sarcastic way "He could have at leat waited until our Golden". She is now also dead. My family on the whole does not have life expectancy into their eighties, that is I imagine a genetic thing, but I am not expecting to live into my eighties (which also annoys me that I have to wait longer and longer for my pension that I have been paying into since my 18th birthday, my private as well as state one). í

I stlll have a Mum and Dad, but only in memories and how I behave myself, the rules they taught me, the knoweldge they gave me and experiences I have had. If you lose your Mum or Dad it is very hard, but don't worry too much as they will always be with you, in your thoughts, deeds and actions. They made you. And however much you try to forget it, and I don't WANT to forget it, they will always be with you.

Just getting light now at 6.-42am, i haven't checked technically when it is sunrise but it is just about sunup here in Budapest. We have had some glorious days, "Indian Summer", and I have been doing some prep to bed us down for the winter, the heat all works, every lamp works, every shutter and door works, I bet you there will be some surprise, the window will fall out or the cat will manage to get run over or something, to me I call it "insurance". I pay insurance obviously, that is what insurance is for, but I also do not take unnecessary risks. I do take NECESSARY risks, that I have to cross a street with idiot drivers who can't see pedestrians on a pedestrian crossing as they are too busy on their SatNav with their radio blasting, there is not much I can do if I come a cropper from one of those idiots. It is called risk assessment or risk management.  I use a lot of very dangerous chemicals, often without any protective clothing (or any clothing at all) because I know the risks. I am bound to come a cropper in some unlikely way, I will fall down a womanhole or be eaten by a circus elephant (the only one not being vegetarian) or something rather unlikely. I am going to be poisoned by my sewing machine or a flat screen television will fall on me. I seem somehow indestructible but sooner or later I am going to come a cropper in some very unlikely way.

But you take the precautions you can. You can't predict the unpredictable. I bet a tiger from the travelling circus (which is in Budapest soon) gets through the catflap and mauls my head off. It will be something bizarre, what it won't be is electrics or gas or roofing or whatever which is all safe and sound, I made sure of that.

SimonTrew wrote:

You can't predict the unpredictable. I bet a tiger from the travelling circus (which is in Budapest soon) gets through the catflap and mauls my head off.....

Er I think I just predicted the unpredictable there....

One of my new talents is that they play Retro Radio at the corner shop that is not on the corner,.... and of course it is sort of 60s/70s English. They know me well enough by now to know I am just the harmless hulye angol but I then sing along and try to translate as I am singing into Hungarian which never works, "Love me Do" by the beatles, I get as "Amour csinalni" because I forgot that "Amour" was French, some of the heavy metal comes out even more bizarelly, Van Halen or whatever, if you translate the lyrics as you go along it is instant nonsense. Funny though,.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

What a beautiful day outside on this Saturday afternoon.
We drove over to the 10th district to check something out and were walking distance from the Nep Liget.
Parked and took a nice walk in that park.
Not much of anything going on there, nice green clean place but only a few walkers and joggers in that huge park..... gang raped by some Gypsies and murdered.
At first they had no idea who she was but her hotel informed them after she never came back to check out....
Some people really aren't exactly human after all.
Husband said he now thinks they have under cover police at that park but I still wouldn't go there alone at night.

Notwithstanding murders, have you tried doing some loops around the Buda hills? 

Take the tram 61 to end stop from Moscow Square, go up on the Children's Railway, walk to Normafa and onto Janoshegy and up Erzebet Tower, then take the chairlift down and a short walk to buses 22 or 222 and then onwards back to Moscow Square.  You can also do variations like up on the cog wheel railway, walk to Normafa, take the chairlift down etc or go up on the cog wheel railway, then walk down to Szep Ilona etc and bus 22/222. 

I am mountain biking all around that area so I know it quite well. 

If the day is as nice as it is now tomorrow, I think we might take the chairlift to Janoshegy and walk down.  It was showing 22 C today on the car.  It's an Indian summer and we should make the most of it!

Yes, we have been up there many times. Even went there once after the rains to collect mushrooms, in the end we tossed them all out, not sure which would of been poinsious and which ones would of been fun!
More for seeing who could collect more, forgot who won.
The Cool Valley is a nice little walk around up in Buda Hills.
Used to be a busy place on the weekends for family walks of all ages in the old days.
Not so busy up there now, people are on the internet or watching cable tv instead of using their bodies for a walk and fresh air.
That children train is a sweet idea, rode that many times as well.

Guns and being American, not sure what to say about that.
Grew up with them in the house, not allowed to go into my step-dad' Army footlocker where he kept them all.
Only used for target practice out in the desert.
My mom carried a 2 shot little guy in her bra when she worked nights, just for when she was alone walking to her car in the dark.
All my family is gun crazy . My cousin invited his nephew on a camping trip only because the kid has a open carry permit.
My friend in Vegas ages 76 has a concealed weapon permit and knows how to shoot.
She isn't the most mentally stable person either... Just saying I always make sure her handbag is not next to her when she visits me in Vegas!
Even my ex-neighbor in S. Ca was in her mid 80's during the Martial law we had in S. Ca during the Rodney King trails. She asked my husband to help her figure out what bullets went with what gun, She wanted us all to head to her house if it went down so we all would barricade ourselves and defend ourselves.
That scared me more then the riots!
My bro and his then black wife lived near LAX then and said they spent several nights in their living room in the rocking chairs taking shifts with sleeping.
Both were ex-military and both locked and loaded.Machine guns on their laps while they watched the evening news...
It's scary really, even my super liberal Ex Vegas friend who is in a wheelchair has a couple of guns in her house. She is anti-NRA and anti-gun, made some excuse that it was just given to them... Ya, right.
I'm afraid to own a gun because I'm not afraid to use it if need be... That is also scary to know about yourself.We had a 9 mm semi- auto but sold it, just freaked us both out to have it in the house.
Not sure though, if we ever move back to the US, I may consider getting one, know all my family has more then one person needs to have at once.
When my sister passed on I was crushed but the next day my bro took us out deep into the NM desert and let me shoot for ever,a M-16, AK 47 and handguns with hollow point bullets...
Honestly it was a great stress reducer and allot of fun, odd stuff but it was exciting to blast away at targets.
When we moved to New Mexico I was freaked seeing everyone with shot guns hanging on racks inside their trucks! Made sure not to ever cut anyone off in traffic, that's for darn sure.
Americans aren't any more violent then other cultures, we are just more up front about it.

fluffy2560 wrote:

I was thinking more like this

Good one. 

SimonTrew wrote:

Just getting light now at 6.-42am, i haven't checked technically when it is sunrise but it is just about sunup here in Budapest. We have had some glorious days, "Indian Summer", and I have been doing some prep to bed us down for the winter, the heat all works, every lamp works, every shutter and door works, I bet you there will be some surprise, the window will fall out or the cat will manage to get run over or something, to me I call it "insurance". I pay insurance obviously, that is what insurance is for, but I also do not take unnecessary risks. I do take NECESSARY risks, that I have to cross a street with idiot drivers who can't see pedestrians on a pedestrian crossing as they are too busy on their SatNav with their radio blasting, there is not much I can do if I come a cropper from one of those idiots. It is called risk assessment or risk management.  I use a lot of very dangerous chemicals, often without any protective clothing (or any clothing at all) because I know the risks. I am bound to come a cropper in some unlikely way, I will fall down a womanhole or be eaten by a circus elephant (the only one not being vegetarian) or something rather unlikely. I am going to be poisoned by my sewing machine or a flat screen television will fall on me. I seem somehow indestructible but sooner or later I am going to come a cropper in some very unlikely way.

But you take the precautions you can. You can't predict the unpredictable. I bet a tiger from the travelling circus (which is in Budapest soon) gets through the catflap and mauls my head off. It will be something bizarre, what it won't be is electrics or gas or roofing or whatever which is all safe and sound, I made sure of that.

Naken chemical work... Been there myself, once.
My former DIL was still only my son's GF when she left Vegas after their 6 month lease on a nice apt. was over with.
My son was going to move back into his old room after she went home so was giving up the apt.
He had to put down a large deposit on the apt. which he wanted back.
Should of known then and there  that girl was a nut case.
I literally was so over whelmed by the mess she left in the apt. That I was throwing dirty dishes into the bin and pot and pans as well.
My son worked full time, I worked full time and she was home all day long just painting or reading or enjoying her new American lifestyle but never it seems to have ever cleaned a thing in the flat.
I went over on my day off of work to clean up a tiny bit, no idea it would turn into a 8 hour event with most everything just being thrown in the trash because I couldn't do it all myself in one day.
So much black mold in the shower that i had to strip naked with my rubber shoes and gloves on to clean it, I got soaked as it was.
My son should of woken up then and there as to what a mess she was, mentally and every other way.
They had a bird which was free to fly all over the carpets.... Not pretty!
He got most of his deposit back no thanks to his future wife.
The things mother's do for their kids...

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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The Cool Valley is a nice little walk around up in Buda Hills.
Used to be a busy place on the weekends for family walks of all ages in the old days.
Not so busy up there now, people are on the internet or watching cable tv instead of using their bodies for a walk and fresh air.
That children train is a sweet idea, rode that many times as well.

The colours are looking pretty nice up there in the hills now.  It's not New England but it's looking quite pretty in some places now with the golden leaves. It's quite cold in the shadows but very pleasant in the sun.  I can see the hills from my house and few weeks and it'll be very nice indeed.   

Not getting any enthusiasm from the Fluffy Crew for walking to Janoshegy. Even the dog is not up for it.  Laziest dog in the world.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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Guns and being American, not sure what to say about that.
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I'm afraid to own a gun because I'm not afraid to use it if need be... That is also scary to know about yourself.We had a 9 mm semi- auto but sold it, just freaked us both out to have it in the house.
Not sure though, if we ever move back to the US, I may consider getting one, know all my family has more then one person needs to have at once.
When my sister passed on I was crushed but the next day my bro took us out deep into the NM desert and let me shoot for ever,a M-16, AK 47 and handguns with hollow point bullets...

I've obviously handled guns in the military and things like grenades.  Obviously we have  very restrictive laws in the UK for gun ownership and gun crime is very low, almost non-existent - we don't have things like school shootings (it has happened 25+ years ago). 

But the reality is that guns are only good for killing things.  I would not want to have such things in the house.  Settling disputes by shooting someone is more likely to happen if guns are in free circulation.

The eldest Fluffyette suddenly has an archery set - that means bow and arrows - bought for her by an uncle.  These are proper arrows with metal points.  I wish he had not bought it.  The urge to experiment with shooting at objects or god forbid even animals "to see what happens" for kids is quite high. It's not a play thing.    Better to just keep away from those things. I am not  sure there's enough discipline at that age to behave sensibly or follow the rules - it's the same as never pointing a gun or weapon at someone unless you mean it, never enter a building with a loaded weapon - always check there is no cartridge/round in the chamber (they have sandboxes outside military buildings to clear weapons).  Clear your weapon before handing it to another person (i.e. show them empty breech to show the weapon is empty).   Never stand your gun standing up with a round chambered. Etc etc.

I have actually shot two animals in my life and I still feel guilty about it.  One was an accident (the sheep was accidentally behind the targets on a range and I killed it with a machine gun and the other one was a bird I shot "to see if I could get it" and yes, I did kill it.  It didn't deserve that to satisfy my curiosity.   

I've now put corks on the end of all the arrows.

SimonTrew wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

My Mum and Dad have been married for 60+ years.

I am very happy for them. .... and how I behave myself, the rules they taught me, the knoweldge they gave me and experiences I have had. If you lose your Mum or Dad it is very hard, but don't worry too much as they will always be with you, in your thoughts, deeds and actions. They made you. And however much you try to forget it, and I don't WANT to forget it, they will always be with you.

My Mum sent me an e-mail this morning.  Not too bad for 90.   I doubt they will ever be well enough for the two of them to come here now.  Probably not medically fit enough for an airline to take them.  But they still live together in sheltered accommodation, my Dad still driving his car at 94 etc.   I'd better go and see them as I feel there's a decline going on there.  Still not too shabby though to have them both around still.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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The Cool Valley is a nice little walk around up in Buda Hills.
Used to be a busy place on the weekends for family walks of all ages in the old days.
Not so busy up there now, people are on the internet or watching cable tv instead of using their bodies for a walk and fresh air.
That children train is a sweet idea, rode that many times as well.

The colours are looking pretty nice up there in the hills now.  It's not New England but it's looking quite pretty in some places now with the golden leaves. It's quite cold in the shadows but very pleasant in the sun.  I can see the hills from my house and few weeks and it'll be very nice indeed.   

Not getting any enthusiasm from the Fluffy Crew for walking to Janoshegy. Even the dog is not up for it.  Laziest dog in the world.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

.....
Guns and being American, not sure what to say about that.
....
I'm afraid to own a gun because I'm not afraid to use it if need be... That is also scary to know about yourself.We had a 9 mm semi- auto but sold it, just freaked us both out to have it in the house.
Not sure though, if we ever move back to the US, I may consider getting one, know all my family has more then one person needs to have at once.
When my sister passed on I was crushed but the next day my bro took us out deep into the NM desert and let me shoot for ever,a M-16, AK 47 and handguns with hollow point bullets...

I've obviously handled guns in the military and things like grenades.  Obviously we have  very restrictive laws in the UK for gun ownership and gun crime is very low, almost non-existent - we don't have things like school shootings (it has happened 25+ years ago). 

But the reality is that guns are only good for killing things.  I would not want to have such things in the house.  Settling disputes by shooting someone is more likely to happen if guns are in free circulation.

The eldest Fluffyette suddenly has an archery set - that means bow and arrows - bought for her by an uncle.  These are proper arrows with metal points.  I wish he had not bought it.  The urge to experiment with shooting at objects or god forbid even animals "to see what happens" for kids is quite high. It's not a play thing.    Better to just keep away from those things. I am not  sure there's enough discipline at that age to behave sensibly or follow the rules - it's the same as never pointing a gun or weapon at someone unless you mean it, never enter a building with a loaded weapon - always check there is no cartridge/round in the chamber (they have sandboxes outside military buildings to clear weapons).  Clear your weapon before handing it to another person (i.e. show them empty breech to show the weapon is empty).   Never stand your gun standing up with a round chambered. Etc etc.

I have actually shot two animals in my life and I still feel guilty about it.  One was an accident (the sheep was accidentally behind the targets on a range and I killed it with a machine gun and the other one was a bird I shot "to see if I could get it" and yes, I did kill it.  It didn't deserve that to satisfy my curiosity.   

I've now put corks on the end of all the arrows.

Yes, guns are only good for killing things.
Lucky my father had his old US Army handgun in the 1960's.
Our dog got between my 3 year old bro and a rattlesnake, that little dog wouldn't let my bro move one inch, the dog got in the snakes face instead.
My father came out to back yard and yelled at me to tell my mom to bring him his gun loaded.
I was 7, sort of thought to myself,WTF??
did what I was told with no talk back, mom ran out with the gun and my dad grabbed it took aim and shot the snake before it got more excited and bit the dog or my bro.
That time having a gun really came in handy, nothing else wouldn't worked that fast or been as effective.
My 2 sisters were really into archery in the late 50's when William Tell was on tv.
My sister later shot a deer with her bow and arrow in Minn, cleaned it up herself too. Think it was a one time thing, hope so anyways...At least she knows if the getting gets tough she has it in her to do what she has to do.
Total Mohawk gal that time.
Sadly I think I have it in me to shot a intruder easier then to kill an animal. Have to kill them, an intruder that is. If not, they might sue you in court for damages, dead men tell no tales.At least that's the advice our lawyer friend gave us....
My old neighbor in S. Ca. had all 3 of her grandchildren in the jr. Olympic team with archery.
Really cool to use a bow and arrow.
We saw the HU guess he is the national champ, saw him at a HU event summer before last. He was amazing.
I'm lazy today as well, nice outside but have a long walk tomorrow ahead of me.
Just finished cutting my husband's hair, that's a job in itself, not allot of hair but allot of hassle, he always tells me to cut his hair like Elvis... Not sure why really Elvis was only in his 40's and had white hair. It was blackened by his stylist all the time.
When Elvis passed away he had been off the road and relaxing, his roots had grown out about one inch white.
His stylist was called to the morgue to fix Elvis's hair. He brought all his products but had forgotten to bring his black hair dye.
He borrowed a tube of black eye mascara from a women and put that on the roots.
Just another fun fact. why do I remember such trivial stuff and forget why I walked into the next room?

fluffy2560 wrote:

SimonTrew wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

My Mum and Dad have been married for 60+ years.

I am very happy for them. .... and how I behave myself, the rules they taught me, the knoweldge they gave me and experiences I have had. If you lose your Mum or Dad it is very hard, but don't worry too much as they will always be with you, in your thoughts, deeds and actions. They made you. And however much you try to forget it, and I don't WANT to forget it, they will always be with you.

My Mum sent me an e-mail this morning.  Not too bad for 90.   I doubt they will ever be well enough for the two of them to come here now.  Probably not medically fit enough for an airline to take them.  But they still live together in sheltered accommodation, my Dad still driving his car at 94 etc.   I'd better go and see them as I feel there's a decline going on there.  Still not too shabby though to have them both around still.

You are extremely lucky to still have both parents around.
I never even met either of my grandmothers, both passed in their 40's.
It's true, I'm even starting to look more like family as I get older.
Was always a bit one off, looked more like my father's side then my mom's except for the smile, we all got our mom's native mouth.
When we smile we can light up a room but if we are straight faced and "normal" we can look mad
Not sure but native features can look hard I think at times.
just have to look at someone without a smile right in the eye and they look away, wasn't even looking at them half the time either.
After recently getting in contact with 4 of my older male cousins, I realize I look more like their sister then I do to my own sibs.
It's odd.
On a good day I was told I resemble Jane Fonda on a bad day, it's Steven Tyler!
I look a bit like their mom's as I age, going to meet up with a few of them I hope soon but afraid to freak them out.
I know I got freaked out once when I saw my uncle, swore from a short distance away that it was my father standing in the room, only shrank 2 inches and was bone thin.
My old friend's daughter posted a couple of photos today of her mom who was just let out of the ICU unit at the hospital after major back surgery. Was standing up for the first time since surgery with her back brace and 2 assistants. Her father who is 90 looked younger then she did, it was sad.
Of course she wasn't up for a photo shoot for Vogue.
Made me think about if one had that sort of surgery here in Hungary I wonder if they would be up so fast and in rehab or just left to rot away in some dark smelly hospital room.
I can't even imagine how much this is costing her, ICU beds must run very high in daily fees.
I know my husband had a room in a Vegas hospital a few years back they were all private rooms, 2 nights in plus a few lab tests, bill was, $32,000.
In her case I bet it is over million so far if not more.
Don't think here in Hungary the national health would cover such a thing.
I know we went to lake Balaton years back for a concert and all proceeds were for back surgery on a young lady, they were sending her to China for surgery.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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Our dog got between my 3 year old bro and a rattlesnake, that little dog wouldn't let my bro move one inch, the dog got in the snakes face instead.
My father came out to back yard and yelled at me to tell my mom to bring him his gun loaded.
I was 7, sort of thought to myself,WTF??
did what I was told with no talk back, mom ran out with the gun and my dad grabbed it took aim and shot the snake before it got more excited and bit the dog or my bro.
That time having a gun really came in handy, nothing else wouldn't worked that fast or been as effective.
.....
Just finished cutting my husband's hair, that's a job in itself, not allot of hair but allot of hassle, he always tells me to cut his hair like Elvis... Not sure why really Elvis was only in his 40's and had white hair. It was blackened by his stylist all the time.
When Elvis passed away he had been off the road and relaxing, his roots had grown out about one inch white.
His stylist was called to the morgue to fix Elvis's hair. He brought all his products but had forgotten to bring his black hair dye.
He borrowed a tube of black eye mascara from a women and put that on the roots.
Just another fun fact. why do I remember such trivial stuff and forget why I walked into the next room?

Not many rattlesnakes in Hungary or in Europe actually.   Zero in fact. We only really have the adder snake which has venom.  And even that is not very dangerous.  It'd rather "run" away than get involved.  It's easy to spot with a diamond back. I think I've never seen one although I might have seen one in Scotland when I was a kid. I regularly see grass snakes (harmless) in the forests around here.  They are usually sunbathing across tracks - I just cycle around them.  Most of them seem completely zonked out when it gets warm.  Adders are protected in a lot of countries so best observed only.

I suppose a tin of black spray car paint would have done for Elvis.   

There's that old "joke" of the old dead guy's toupee falling off and no-one has anyway to stick it back on so the undertaker requests some toupee glue which takes some time to arrive. When the glue arrives, the undertaker says, "oh, that took too long so I found a nail".   

Something like that anyway - not much of a quality joke.  Well, it is a kind of dopey Sunday.  No-one is showing any sign of enthusiasm to go up a hill somewhere.  At this rate, I'll start to nod off.  Not even had lunch - been doing paperwork.

BTW, short term memory goes first.  Then confusion of time, locations and dates. I've been watching TV documentaries on dementia.

fluffy2560 wrote:

No-one is showing any sign of enthusiasm to go up a hill somewhere.

I went up a hill this morning.

Well, actually, the dog wanted to go that way, and I just was dragged along. But getting dragged after the dog is "close enough" to free will on Sunday.

fluffy2560 wrote:

But the reality is that guns are only good for killing things.

Guns were invented to kill things.

Does not mean that need be their only use.

I actually like doing skeet shooting (I think of it kind of like arial snooker skills). And the only Olympics winter sport I actually pay attention to is biathlon. Try to ski then have a steady hand to shoot... IMOH, that is real skill.

And I fenced for years. One may say a foil, epee or saber is also only to kill people, but the ones I used were certainly not for killing. Kind of like corks on an arrow.

My Golden Retriever is a breed created for hunting. Does not mean I use him for hunting.

A truck is only good for transporting goods, until someone uses one to plow into a crowd of people.

Ergo, original purpose statements are limiting. Does not mean one can not cross purpose things later for entirely different uses. Good or bad.

fluffy2560 wrote:

I have actually shot two animals in my life and I still feel guilty about it.

Hm..... Is it about generically killing an animal?

I ask, because unless you are a vegetarian/vegan who never even uses leather products, do you ever feel guilty about other people killing animals for you?

klsallee wrote:

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Guns were invented to kill things. Does not mean that need be their only use.
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My Golden Retriever is a breed created for hunting. Does not mean I use him for hunting.

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No, I don't feel guilty about contracting out my killing.  But speaking of vegans/vegetarians, I have reduced my meat consumption.  Just sort of gone off the idea. 

There are other types of gun that don't kill people - nail guns or guns for explosive bolt insertion ("Hilti" guns).

Our golden retriever wants to hunt sticks and balls.  We're trying to train her to fetch and stuff but she's not very interested. I noticed it responds a lot better in Hungarian than English. I was hoping she would be bilingual.