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"Stamp on a BA certificate" : what is it exactely? pls help is urgent

Last activity 06 December 2016 by Bazza139

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vietme

Hi,

I am a teacher from ITaly and The hiring school asked me for the original BA certificate which I do not have, the original is in ITaly and its is in ITalian. I only have a good scanned copy.  then they asked me if the copy I have has a "stamp";

I dont see any stamp on my copy. What is exactly this stamp?  Is it a notarization? a certification?

I emailed the ITalian embassy and they said if I dont have a copy I need some sort of "legalized signature /power of attorney" I do not quite understand what exactly the Embassy want.

Can anyone pls help with this? its urgent as the school asked me for the docs ASAP.

Thank you

Bazza139

They are only asking for a certification by an authorised person.

Like a Birth Certificate or important legal documents,
simply request a certified copy.  It will then be stamped by
whoever has the authority to do so. 

It varies.  In Australia, this can be done by a Justice of the peace,
(known) Post Office staff, Police, Lawyers (etc)

Best to request what level of "Authority" is required.
Any lawyer should be able to tell you.

bkksaigon

Thank you Bazza,

the point is I am already in Vietnam and I only have a copy of my degree.

Where do I need to go to get  the copy of my degree certified? The Italian embassy?
or can I go somewhere else?

pls help as I am really confused and I need to sort this out

thanks

Bazza139

I hate to say it, but it's not as serious as it seems.

The school is just asking for validity.

I would go to your embassy (or consulate) as
THEY HAVE PROOF OF WHO YOU ARE
..and that is (really) all the school is asking for.

A look at your Passport, and that's it.

bkksaigon

thanks Bazza

well.. its not quite like that..the italian consulate said that without the original they need some sort of " power of attorney " and then to go to the vietnamese embassy in italy..

is it better to have the original sent here?

Bazza139

A definite NO (!!!)

I would advise against because I have had 'priority paid'
(and 'tracked') documents posted to me over 6 months ago.

I'm still waiting.  Yes, the tracking told me they arrived.
..end of story...

The postal system here does not exist.  Only use Fedex or DHL.
..the costs help explain the way it works here...

Sorry but: sounds too iffy for me.   As I said, the school only
wants the piece of paper as authentic for their records.
If you really want to do it the hard way, simply phone (any)
lawyer to define "power of attorney", get a copy stamped and
sent via PDF email.   Like the rest of the world does...

bkksaigon

thanks Bazza,

yes sounds iffi but its not for the degree per se is about the department of labor denying the work permit.
if they see a simple stamp on a copy will they likely deny the work permit?

i read that americans they have it notarized AND authenticated then shipped here and repeat the process here. 

at this point i think the only option is to have a copy notarized in my country and have a pdf sent and see how it goes or have the original fedexed here ( you said fedex works in vietnam?- im in a small village by the way)

otherwise i will have to tell the school that i am unable to provide the required documents and in that case i dont know what they will do with me since i am already here teaching for one week.

Bazza139

I don't like coming across as a smartass, (but I am)

I brought ALL my certification and identifying documents
witnessed & stamped by a JP, spread over checked luggage
(stolen) cabin bag & Apple Mac (survived) ..and several
flash drives as well as the hard drives.   Your experience
confirms for me the need(necessity!!) to have 'backup'

My ASUS backup was in the checked luggage.   It's gone.
Cost to replace was minimal but having the replication of all
important data (+ lesson plans...) ?     Beyond value.

So thank you for confirming my paranoia was justified.

"if they see a simple stamp on a copy will they likely deny the work permit?"

Don't know.  And as you may have read on other posts about
certification, it largely depends on who and where.  But any (all?)
authoritarian Govt. bureaucracy love their paper trails, so play it
as safe as you can.    I don't recommend buying your way out
because it can return to bite you.   Big time.

DHL is the 'subcontractor' for the Vietnam postal 'service', so
(sigh) ..show 'em the money...   Me?  I don't trust Fedex.

..or DHL, but as the lesser of two evils..?   

Over to you

* 'Schools' are a subject of various debates here (and elsewhere)
so do your own research and read the reviews, talk to previous
(and current) teachers to get the gist.  Too many scams to believe
anything anyone tells you.   Will they pay you is the question...

("small village" is suss in itself.)   Caveat Emptor.

bkksaigon

bazza

sorry to hear about the stolen drives and lessons...

yes you are smart, too smart for me
as a matter of fact i still dont understand if:
-dhl is a reliable service to have the original shipped over here
-buy my way out, can you pls explain?

if i tell the school i simply do not have all the required docs they likely try to lower my salary, i dont know.
im in a small village 2 hrs from hcmc and i doubt any other teacher will be willing to come here to teach

Bazza139

"..and i doubt any other teacher will be willing to come here to teach"

There's your ammunition.   

ALL parts of Viet Nam are crying out for native Teachers, so (my guess)
they are trying to get as much value as they can: read as, putting you
through the hoops so they can charge the families more. 

AND they being small-time, the money becomes your big-time problem.

1. - Nothing is reliable in Viet Nam.  Learn to read between the lines...

2. - Normal human behaviour.  Some call it corruption, but evidently
it works well when time and Authority cause problems.  (Use = Risk)

And even if they use that excuse to lower your salary, throw the ball
back by asking for recompense when you produce the certification.

Sounds increasingly like a skim/scam to me, but 'normal' here...

Read "Money No.1" by Neil Hutchinson to understand it all.
..and why the book is banned in Thailand & Philippines...

Compulsory reading for knowing how the Asian mindset works.
Enjoy the jokes; there is little else to laugh at.

* welcome to Heaven on Earth!

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