registering with the police

Your gf needs to go to the local ward police and register you. She will need your passport to put you in the house book.

Hi. Did you find out what to do. I am in the exact same situation.
Please give me some advise if you can
Thanks

Bholinath wrote:

Hi. Did you find out what to do. I am in the exact same situation.
Please give me some advise if you can
Thanks

Get the owner of the premises to register you.

Yes. That would be ideal and according to the law.
Before we moved in, the owner said he would register me. Now we realise he just wants our money and he will not register me. (Due to taxes on the building if he allows foreigners to stay).
The contract is in my gf name. Technically i don't have an address here in Vietnam.
This will be a problem for me later on when i need official paperwork.im thinking if booking a cheap dorm room.... So that i have proof of address for the upcoming paperwork and  formalities for our future wedding.

*Any advice on getting married here in hanoi would be welcome too! Can anyone recommend a good lawyer?

Thanks

The police can remove you from the premises, I would find another place to live. In saying that, I lived in a place for a year before we eventually got registered.

Getting married is quite easy these days, here is a recent thread about it.

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=841072

Thanks for the heads up.

"You should pay attention to the rules of residence for foreigners under Vietnamese law on entrustment, exit, transit and residence of foreigners in Vietnam Law entruy, exit, transit, and residence of foreignes in Viet Nam

In Article 33. Declaration of temporary residence Law entruy, exit, transit, and residence of foreignes in Viet Nam 2014
1. Any foreigner that temporary resides in Vietnam must, via the manager of the lodging establishment, declare his/her temporary residence at the local police authority.
2. The manager of the lodging establishment shall complete the declaration form and submit it to the local police authority within 12 hours (or within 24 hours if the administrative division is in a remote area) since the foreigner arrives at the lodging establishment.
3. Lodging establishments that are hotels must have Internet access or connect to the computer network of the immigration authority affiliated to the provincial police authority to transmit foreigners’ declarations of temporary residence. Other lodging establishments that have Internet access may directly send the foreigners’ declarations of temporary residence to the email address of the immigration authority affiliated to the provincial police authority.
4. Any foreigner that changes his temporary residence or resides at a place other than that written in the temporary residence card must submit a declaration of temporary residence as prescribed in Clause 1 of this Article."

letiendat wrote:

"You should pay attention to the rules of residence for foreigners under Vietnamese law on entrustment, exit, transit and residence of foreigners in Vietnam Law entruy, exit, transit, and residence of foreignes in Viet Nam

In Article 33. Declaration of temporary residence Law entruy, exit, transit, and residence of foreignes in Viet Nam 2014
1. Any foreigner that temporary resides in Vietnam must, via the manager of the lodging establishment, declare his/her temporary residence at the local police authority.
2. The manager of the lodging establishment shall complete the declaration form and submit it to the local police authority within 12 hours (or within 24 hours if the administrative division is in a remote area) since the foreigner arrives at the lodging establishment.
3. Lodging establishments that are hotels must have Internet access or connect to the computer network of the immigration authority affiliated to the provincial police authority to transmit foreigners’ declarations of temporary residence. Other lodging establishments that have Internet access may directly send the foreigners’ declarations of temporary residence to the email address of the immigration authority affiliated to the provincial police authority.
4. Any foreigner that changes his temporary residence or resides at a place other than that written in the temporary residence card must submit a declaration of temporary residence as prescribed in Clause 1 of this Article."

Its up to the owner of the property to register you, we can't just walk in and register ourselves.

Greatly appreciated. It was never my intention to be in this situation. I think i need to find another place to live, as the landlord is refusing to register me.
Thanks for your help

Bholinath wrote:

Greatly appreciated. It was never my intention to be in this situation. I think i need to find another place to live, as the landlord is refusing to register me.
Thanks for your help

If they register you, they have to pay the cops and declare it for tax purposes. Best to move, always get in writing that they will register you.

If he is going to move should he turn in the landlord for not registering him first just to get him in trouble with the police?  I would totally do that since the landlord agreed to do it, I moved in and now have to trouble myself with moving again.

This is not an option if his GF is going to continue to stay there but I suspect she would move as well so they don't have to pay two rents.  Or if it would interfere with getting a deposit back.

SteinNebraska wrote:

If he is going to move should he turn in the landlord for not registering him first just to get him in trouble with the police?  I would totally do that since the landlord agreed to do it, I moved in and now have to trouble myself with moving again.

This is not an option if his GF is going to continue to stay there but I suspect she would move as well so they don't have to pay two rents.  Or if it would interfere with getting a deposit back.

If the owner says they wont return the deposit, I usually remind them about the tax department, they always pay up.

It's the owner's responsibility.
If this were me, i would have my GF go to police station to clarify, but I would not worry about it.
i rented two different places over two years and never thought about it since it was not my responsibility.
Much of the time, I think there are communication problems and people jump to conclusions.
From what the OP wrote, it's not 100% clear to me that the owner really said he wasn't going to register him. The OP may think that, but tell me why the Vietnamese owner would say it??
More likely is that the Viet owner just said he took care of it and didn't have to give his tenant anything.

In any case don't worry about it.

letiendat wrote:

4. Any foreigner that changes his temporary residence or resides at a place other than that written in the temporary residence card must submit a declaration of temporary residence as prescribed in Clause 1 of this Article.

Huh? Who does that?
Anyway this is bogus. There isn't even place for an address on a TRC.

i have arrived in hanoi recently
i have a one year visitor visa
me and a friendly landlord agreed to rent his apartment to me
however, he told me before i moved in that he cannot
register me with the local police
because apparently i need a working permit
a company that i work for etc
so my question is
can foreigners rent apartments without a working permit?

Gzjimdahon wrote:

i have arrived in hanoi recently
i have a one year visitor visa
me and a friendly landlord agreed to rent his apartment to me
however, he told me before i moved in that he cannot
register me with the local police
because apparently i need a working permit
a company that i work for etc
so my question is
can foreigners rent apartments without a working permit?

Your landlord is lieing. He doesnt want to pay the police, its as simple as that. Find another place.

thanks for quick reply
then i can rent an apartment in hanoi
the landlord needs to register me with police
landlord might need to pay police
a few days ago a different owner mentioned 200,000 dong
to give to the police to not check if i am staying in the apartment
and also said that i should pay more
money if i rented the apartment
he suggested that a local person sign the rental contract
then i could stay in the apartment
thus i'm confused
do foreigners need to pay extra money to rent ?

thanks for your help and patience

No you dont, the owner is pulling your chain. Look online and rent a place, make sure you ask the owner to register you or the police can ask you to leave.

Gzjimdahon:  You caught a crook for a landlord.  Throw him back and find yourself a better one.