Brexit and its implications for British, HU and any other citizens

They are being warned now about buying presents online for Christmas because they could be clobbered by extra charges.

SimCityAT wrote:

They are being warned now about buying presents online for Christmas because they could be clobbered by extra charges.

I saw a story where someone in the UK was charged like 120 EUR extra for a package worth about 50 EUR.  Most of it seems to be rip off courier/PO charges for customs clearance.   That's all a con and entirely of the British government's making.

It's the same here anyway - ordering stuff from China on AliExpress means checking out if they are EU VAT registered as there's no lower postal limit now.  No 1 Fluffyette ordered a 0.60 EUR bracelet and I had to pay the PO here,  800 HUF (about 3 EUR) in charges most of which were processing charges plus VAT.   So kids have been warned to make sure it includes EU taxes before buying this kind of thing.

I've resorted to the "old way" which is always taking stuff to the UK in my suitcase and vice-versa.   I used to do all that back before 2014 and HU accession to the EU.

There are some price differential advantages. I wanted to buy a bit of non-commercial electronics in the UK.  Outrageously over priced  in the UK even second hand (UK has shortages) but I found it in NL for less than 1/2 the price.   So obvious thing, buy it in the EU, ship to HU directly, put in my suitcase and take it to the UK on the plane.  I reckon I saved probably close to 60 EUR even with the shipping included.   The stupid thing is that it's probably only worth about 20 EUR new never  mind secondhand, well within any Customs allowances.  Shortages have just pushed the prices up to silly levels.

I've had a busy few days zoom meetings, had an interesting one with the Embassy those that have failed to get their Article 50 card will be threatened with deportation.

SimCityAT wrote:

I've had a busy few days zoom meetings, had an interesting one with the Embassy those that have failed to get their Article 50 card will be threatened with deportation.

Oh great to hear that (not).

I expect that will come as a shock to those with holiday houses.

If Boris went because of Partygate, one would wonder if the Remainers would be in the ascendancy and therefore resurrect BRINO (Brexit in Name Only).   Someone on the radio put that forward as a potential scenario.

There are a lot of potential distractions around at the moment.  Omicron is being trailed too much.  Rather fortuitously arrived at the right time for Boris.

I've got a ticket to the UK in January and it's LF tests going in and Day 2 PCR test for COVID.  Another COVID tax on international travel.    All for Omicron which seems to be mild in the extreme.  Even the South Africans are saying it's OTT.

SimCityAT wrote:

They are being warned now about buying presents online for Christmas because they could be clobbered by extra charges.

I ordered $120. worth of supplements from Finland.
Was chared an additional $27. in taxes for Hungary.
Odd thing is this Finish company has a manufacting plant here in Hungary? At least the pills were packaged in Hungary.
I don't get it but they have us over a barrel.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

SimCityAT wrote:

They are being warned now about buying presents online for Christmas because they could be clobbered by extra charges.

I ordered $120. worth of supplements from Finland.
Was chared an additional $27. in taxes for Hungary.
Odd thing is this Finish company has a manufacting plant here in Hungary? At least the pills were packaged in Hungary.
I don't get it but they have us over a barrel.

If it was sold from Finland to here, there should not be any taxes other than HU VAT.   Both EU countries so no import taxes etc.

I don't do it myself,  but there's a lot of price differentials now with Brexit. 

I can buy 2nd hand stuff in Europe, put it on UK Ebay and take it to the UK on the plane and perhaps make a bit of cash. 

I am hoping that import duties will be dropped on a US-UK trade deal.  Sooner the better.

Then there's also more opportunity to bring rare 2nd hand stuff from the UK to here.

You can send things to the UK without any extra charges, they do not come into force until next year.

But Marilyn

You should not have any extra charges so I would question that unless they did come from outside the EU.

Today I received a letter from the "NATIONAL DIRECTORATE-GENERAL FOR ALIENS POLICING" (aka NDGAP) which had the text below (in English), their highlighting.   

I guess this is the "final warning" to those in possession of the correct information/documentation to get an application into NDGAP at least electronically and then try to get to an office as soon as feasibly possible, preferably before the end of the year.   Probably by 22nd December, it will be all closed down until the next year.   After 1st January 2022, Brexit beneficiaries will be snookered.

My recommendation is not to rely on Enter Hungary to prove your status as it's quite confusing to know how it works or what has to be done next.  Go to an  NDGAP office, do the forms there and get a proper receipt for the application.   How the receipt can be used to assist on entry to Hungary,  I've no idea.  But I would strongly recommend only taking direct flights to Hungary and not passing through a "foreign" Schengen border.  Not until one has a proper residence permit anyway.

The text below was scanned and OCR'd and might have scanning mistakes in it.

"Subject: Information on submitting an application for a national permanent residence permit

Dear Client,

The United Kingdom has left the European Union in an orderly manner.  As of 1 January 2021 UK nationals and their family members who were living in Hungary before the end of the transitional period — who are holders of a valid registration certificate, a residence card or a permanent residence card, or who credibly substantiate their habitual residence in Hungary before 1 January 2021 — are entitled to obtain a national permanent residence permit for the duration of their previous stay without examining whether they meet the conditions concerning housing, means of subsistence and health insurance. Submitting an application for a national permanent residence permit is free of charge.

Under the above indicated preferential conditions, application for a national permanent residence permit may be submitted until 31 December 2021.

We wish to emphasise that an application may also be submitted electronically via the application interface specifically provided for the beneficiaries of the Withdrawal Agreement on the Enter Hungary system, operated by the National Directorate-General for Aliens Policing (hereinafter referred to as NDGAP). If an application is submitted in person, the officer receiving the application shall issue an acknowledgement of receipt to the UK national submitting the application; if an application is submitted electronically, the Enter Hungary system automatically sends a notification on the application and the further steps to be taken.

Please note that following 1 January 2021 biometric documents shall be issued to UK nationals and their third-country national family members; therefore an appearance in person is required before the regional directorate as per their place of residence, in order to have their photo and fingerprints taken. If an application is submitted electronically, the Enter Hungary system sends the applicant a notification regarding the required steps to take.

Detailed information in English is also available on the website of NDGAP.

Budapest, 10.12.2021"

BTW, Mrs F's speculative application the other way - for residence status in the UK has been left unanswered.  Presumably she's stuck in a giant queue.  No e-mails or texts, nothing, nada, zilch. We just have a reference number.   We flooded them with paperwork about how she was a housewife, has no job, two British kids and stays at home, married X years etc.  To me, it's a no-brainer but who knows.

Update...

I exited Hungary (Schengen border) for the first time since I've had my residence permit. 

There was much discussion between the border guards and checking of my documents. 

I was there maybe 5 minutes while they fiddled about.

I was going BUD direct to LHR on BA,.

Why it took so long to get through, no idea.  I thought the  residence permit would aid my transit but it seems to have complicated it. My passport was not stamped.

At LHR, nearly everyone in the "failed e-gates" queue was Hungarian or American.

It's frustrating because EU's Schengen border e-gates do not support other nationalities. 

Unlike LHR, where EU and many other nationalities (Aus, NZ, USA, Canada, Singapore, South Korea, EEA etc) are able to use the e-gates. 

Thank you Boris for inconveniencing millions of people.  That guy and his cronies couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag.

Another F^ck up........ HERE

I am glad I won't be going back to the UK.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Update...

I exited Hungary (Schengen border) for the first time since I've had my residence permit. 

There was much discussion between the border guards and checking of my documents. 

I was there maybe 5 minutes while they fiddled about.

I was going BUD direct to LHR on BA,.

Why it took so long to get through, no idea.  I thought the  residence permit would aid my transit but it seems to have complicated it. My passport was not stamped.

At LHR, nearly everyone in the "failed e-gates" queue was Hungarian or American.

It's frustrating because EU's Schengen border e-gates do not support other nationalities. 

Unlike LHR, where EU and many other nationalities (Aus, NZ, USA, Canada, Singapore, South Korea, EEA etc) are able to use the e-gates. 

Thank you Boris for inconveniencing

millions of people.  That guy and his cronies couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag.

Glad you made it out alive.
Yes, traveling is a huge hassle now, always was since 2001.
Hopefully it will go smoother when you return to Hungary.

SimCityAT wrote:

Another F^ck up........ HERE

I am glad I won't be going back to the UK.

It took my daughters husband (Dutch citizen) 10 weeks to get his stamp in his passport.

Cynic wrote:

SimCityAT wrote:

Another F^ck up........ HERE

I am glad I won't be going back to the UK.

It took my daughters husband (Dutch citizen) 10 weeks to get his stamp in his passport.

That's fast.  Mrs F is still even waiting an acknowledgement of our last query. One of 500,000 in the backlog.  I applied for Mrs F because I wanted her to have access to the UK in her own right, not just because of me or the kids.

Team Boris has ballsed it up for everyone and created a labour shortage and threatened many businesses.  I don't know what they think they are doing.  It's not complex at all.   All EU citizens should get an automatic rubber stamp and so should we British in Europe. Anything else is unworkable.  They are now trying to bring in more from Asia etc.  They could have done that before if they'd wanted to but screwed it up.

And Pritti Patel is really a hopeless waste of space.  Boat people are increasing despite her actions and bribing the French. 

They could do an lottery like the US does - 50,000 diversity visas per annum etc.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Cynic wrote:

SimCityAT wrote:

Another F^ck up........ HERE

I am glad I won't be going back to the UK.

It took my daughters husband (Dutch citizen) 10 weeks to get his stamp in his passport.

That's fast.  Mrs F is still even waiting an acknowledgement.  They've ballsed it up for everyone and created a labour shortage.

Mrs C got her indefinite leave to remain in the UK 3 days after we applied; we applied the day they announced it; her Dutch friends all got similar responses; the group have now moved on to moaning about Dutch Customs treating them like lepers whenever they go home; I only saw it once and the K Mar had to intervene to drag an extremely angry Dutch woman off a Dutch Customs bloke.

Our daughter's return to the UK was back in the summer, perhaps COVID has something to do with the delay's now being experienced with Government workers working at home.  In these circumstances, anything that uses a paper element (i.e. birth certificates, old paper driving licences) is going to be held up everywhere in the world because paper does not lend itself to expeditious document processing.  It's what caused the snarl-up in driving licences with the civil servants who issue/renew old paper licenses still (today) being on strike.

It also helped that our daughter was moving to her dream job (so for a variety of reasons, money wasn't an issue), had somewhere in the UK that could take them all at no notice and her husband brought his job in Holland with him.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Cynic wrote:

SimCityAT wrote:

Another F^ck up........ HERE

I am glad I won't be going back to the UK.

It took my daughters husband (Dutch citizen) 10 weeks to get his stamp in his passport.

That's fast.  Mrs F is still even waiting an acknowledgement of our last query. One of 500,000 in the backlog.  I applied for Mrs F because I wanted her to have access to the UK in her own right, not just because of me or the kids.

Team Boris has ballsed it up for everyone and created a labour shortage and threatened many businesses.  I don't know what they think they are doing.  It's not complex at all.   All EU citizens should get an automatic rubber stamp and so should we British in Europe. Anything else is unworkable.  They are now trying to bring in more from Asia etc.  They could have done that before if they'd wanted to but screwed it up.

And Pritti Patel is really a hopeless waste of space.  Boat people are increasing despite her actions and bribing the French. 


They could do an lottery like the US does - 50,000 diversity visas per annum etc.

From what I've heard we have far more then 500,000 souls coming into the US every year.
I should of taken my Spanish classes more seriously...

Dear Marylin,
Misery to hear of this hassle at the airport ... what a mess they have made..

I am a British Citizen and am going to apply for Hungarian residency .

I own a property here, which I hope will go in my favour.

I will visit the Hungarian Embassy in London, and hopefully get some sensible advice on how to start the process and how long it will take.

Do you have any advice, having been through the process yourself?

Kind regards

Heidi

Travel Update....

I'm back in HU again after my flight from London this morning.  I was wondering if I might have hassle with the new residence permit. 

I didn't have any real trouble at the passports except from surly border guards and them looking intently at my new residence permit and showing it to each other.  They must go on miserableness courses.   To me, it seems ridiculous to be over interested in me, my passport and my card.   Gimme a break....

Oh, and I did not get my passport stamped.

heidivilliers wrote:

Dear Marylin,
Misery to hear of this hassle at the airport ... what a mess they have made..

I am a British Citizen and am going to apply for Hungarian residency .

I own a property here, which I hope will go in my favour.

I will visit the Hungarian Embassy in London, and hopefully get some sensible advice on how to start the process and how long it will take.

Do you have any advice, having been through the process yourself?

Kind regards

Heidi

I'm an American citizen so not really sure how they are handling cases with UK citizens.
I know there are some agents that can help for a  price.
One that I've hear od if called, "Hungarian Helpers".
They help with paperwork but I'm sure it's not cheap.
Best of luck.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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I'm an American citizen so not really sure how they are handling cases with UK citizens.
I know there are some agents that can help for a  price.
One that I've hear od if called, "Hungarian Helpers".
They help with paperwork but I'm sure it's not cheap.
Best of luck.

BTW, on the residence card it says the basis of my residence is because of Article 50 (this is the clause in the Withdrawal Agreement). 

My card is valid until 2027.   Bit stupid since my last registration started in 2019.  The earliest I could have any claim to HU citizenship would be 2025 (3 years after residence permit is issued).    All my other time here (years and years) prior to this permit counts for absolutely nothing in this system. It's like being sent back to the Go square in Monopoly.   

Anyone who didn't get registered before 31 December 2020 is going to find it difficult to claim on the basis of Article 50.   Owning a house is not enough.

What gets me is the border guards do not (apparently) know their country's own documentation.   Surely Immigration sends the border cops a memo and information well in advance on what's new in border paperwork and they are required to read and understand it.   All that discussion is so unnecessary.

fluffy2560 wrote:

...  What gets me is the border guards do not (apparently) know their country's own documentation.   Surely Immigration sends the border cops a memo and information well in advance on what's new in border paperwork and they are required to read and understand it.   All that discussion is so unnecessary.

I've said before that my experience in dealing with officialdom all over the world is that if you put a peasant in a uniform, what you have is a peasant in a uniform, it doesn't necessarily follow that they know anything about which they are adjudicating.  In many countries, nepotism is rife.

Cynic wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

...  What gets me is the border guards do not (apparently) know their country's own documentation.   Surely Immigration sends the border cops a memo and information well in advance on what's new in border paperwork and they are required to read and understand it.   All that discussion is so unnecessary.

I've said before that my experience in dealing with officialdom all over the world is that if you put a peasant in a uniform, what you have is a peasant in a uniform, it doesn't necessarily follow that they know anything about which they are adjudicating.  In many countries, nepotism is rife.

Yes, indeed, they are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.    Here, civil service is not really a professional job. It's a job you do out of convenience or because you cannot get anything else.  In other countries, it's a more professional level job.  Bit like those who can do and those who can't teach.

I am sure they discuss things amongst themselves in order to try and intimidate whoever is on the other side on the desk.  It's intended to dehumanise the individual.  So disrespectful.

Worst place I've seen this kind of border guard abuse at passports is in Dubai.   Woman was left standing at the desk while the rubber stamper joke of an official laughed and joked with his friend at another counter.  He didn't even have her paperwork with him to ask a question of a superior officer.  She was there about 15 minutes at least - just left hanging.  I could see her from my position at no. 100 in a very long queue.     UAE is so overrated as a destination.   Then again USA border people aren't friendly either.  Just have to grit teeth and suffer their inanities.

US boarder control.
Never, if you can possibley avoid the place , never step foot at JFK airport in NYC .
What a clown show.
In the mid 1920's my US born grandfather was returning to the USA after being absent for many years.
The boarder agent asked him why he was bothering coming home after so long away.
I always thought the agents in Canada were rather nice, never had any issues over there.
Then again one time my US sister and her HU boyfriend were torn apart from each other at the Canadian boarder by the agents.
She was not allowed back into Canada and he wasn't allowed back into the US.
He had refugee status in Canada and not too sure why she wasn't allowed back in unless she had overstayed.
Needless to say they parted ways for good.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

US boarder control.
Never, if you can possibley avoid the place , never step foot at JFK airport in NYC .
What a clown show.
In the mid 1920's my US born grandfather was returning to the USA after being absent for many years.
The boarder agent asked him why he was bothering coming home after so long away.
I always thought the agents in Canada were rather nice, never had any issues over there.
Then again one time my US sister and her HU boyfriend were torn apart from each other at the Canadian boarder by the agents.
She was not allowed back into Canada and he wasn't allowed back into the US.
He had refugee status in Canada and not too sure why she wasn't allowed back in unless she had overstayed.
Needless to say they parted ways for good.

I used to work with both US and Canada Immigration/Border guys and spent 3 years in Edmonton AB working with the Immigration Court evicting Brits who had been deported (basically, making sure they "left").

Cynic wrote:

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I used to work with both US and Canada Immigration/Border guys and spent 3 years in Edmonton AB working with the Immigration Court evicting Brits who had been deported (basically, making sure they "left").

Ok, do they really go on "how to be surly" courses? 

Or is it just a MacJob?

fluffy2560 wrote:

Cynic wrote:

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I used to work with both US and Canada Immigration/Border guys and spent 3 years in Edmonton AB working with the Immigration Court evicting Brits who had been deported (basically, making sure they "left").

Ok, do they really go on "how to be surly" courses? 

Or is it just a MacJob?

One of those jobs the Government asked who they had around in Edmonton that could help out in repatriating naughty Brits from the prison in Fort McMurray, to the Immigration Court in Edmonton, then on to the airport where they were escorted onto the aircraft and waved bye-bye; my boss volunteered me.  If a non-citizen is convicted by a judge of virtually anything in Canada, then they almost certainly would be deported.  Just need a bit of co-ordinating to make it work.

Another reshuffle in the BoJos Cabinet.....

Jacob Rees-Mogg made Brexit opportunities minister

Chris Heaton-Harris becomes the new chief whip, in charge of disciplining Conservative MPs - some of whom have called on Mr Johnson to resign.

His predecessor, Mark Spencer, replaces Mr Rees-Mogg as leader of the Commons.
The role includes the responsibility for standards of behaviour in Westminster, but he is currently being investigated over accusations of Islamophobia, raised by fellow MP Nusrat Ghani.

Cabinet reshuffle 2022: Who is in Boris Johnson's cabinet?

SimCityAT wrote:

Another reshuffle in the BoJos Cabinet.....

Jacob Rees-Mogg made Brexit opportunities minister

Rees-Mogg aka the steampunk 3CPO.

I cannot believe that guy is still in there as an MP.   

Like being haunted by an evil clown

Or someone out of a Tin-Tin story.

Hi, I'm a British citizen who's been living in Sweden for three years now. I got my residence status permit without much complication as I already had permanent employment when I applied for the permit. My questions concerns my right to stay if I would make the decision to quit my current job. Am I required to start searching for somewhere else to work immediately, and what happens if I cannot find something within my field in, lets say 6 months time? Generally, how much time do I have to find another workplace or start studying? From what I have read, just sufficient resources can be enough to retain my right to stay. However, exactly what constitutes sufficient in this context is not clear (the money I have saved would last me 3-4 years, not being a big spender).

Very grateful for answers as I am more than close to becoming completely burnt out by my job

SundayChampion wrote:

Hi, I'm a British citizen who's been living in Sweden for three years now. I got my residence status permit without much complication as I already had permanent employment when I applied for the permit. My questions concerns my right to stay if I would make the decision to quit my current job. Am I required to start searching for somewhere else to work immediately, and what happens if I cannot find something within my field in, lets say 6 months time? Generally, how much time do I have to find another workplace or start studying? From what I have read, just sufficient resources can be enough to retain my right to stay. However, exactly what constitutes sufficient in this context is not clear (the money I have saved would last me 3-4 years, not being a big spender).

Very grateful for answers as I am more than close to becoming completely burnt out by my job

As far as I know, here in HU, if you are already resident you can stay there if you have sufficient resources.  Nothing changed if you are employed. In Sweden, I expect it's the same.   You are "in the system".  It's possible to be in Hungary and not be entirely "in the system".

As you are already in the system.  Instead of quitting your job, why not try and get signed off as sick for some reason citing exhaustion or other reason. Then you might be able to drag out your time there indefinitely without worrying about being kicked out.  And get your batteries recharged. 

If you leave the country for long periods, you're going to lose your residence status.  There is a period where if you were away, you'd lose it. Not sure exactly be it's not that long.

Not quite your question, is that one thing that idiot Boris did is not negotiate for our existing EU rights to continue post-Brexit. You need to be in the country 5 years to get the mythical EU blue card which would allow you to move to other EU countries to work.    This is worth having.  You only need to last another 2 years to get that blue card.  I've never seen a blue card myself.  Never even knew they existed until fairly recently. I believe you have to actually ask for it, it's not dished out automatically.

fluffy2560 wrote:

As far as I know, here in HU, if you are already resident you can stay there if you have sufficient resources.  Nothing changed if you are employed. In Sweden, I expect it's the same.   You are "in the system".  It's possible to be in Hungary and not be entirely "in the system".

As you are already in the system.  Instead of quitting your job, why not try and get signed off as sick for some reason citing exhaustion or other reason. Then you might be able to drag out your time there indefinitely without worrying about being kicked out.  And get your batteries recharged. 

If you leave the country for long periods, you're going to lose your residence status.  There is a period where if you were away, you'd lose it. Not sure exactly be it's not that long.

Not quite your question, is that one thing that idiot Boris did is not negotiate for our existing EU rights to continue post-Brexit. You need to be in the country 5 years to get the mythical EU blue card which would allow you to move to other EU countries to work.    This is worth having.  You only need to last another 2 years to get that blue card.  I've never seen a blue card myself.  Never even knew they existed until fairly recently. I believe you have to actually ask for it, it's not dished out automatically.

Thank you for your answer! I really appreciate it and I feel a bit more assured. Hopefully the Swedish system is as "lenient" as the Hungarian.

That would be ideal but I have already gone on sick leave last year due to the mental health problems I struggled with because of this job. The process of being granted the time off was rather tearing in itself and I want to look for something that is actually fulfilling (hopefully not for too long).

I am not planning to leave the country besides on shorter holiday trips which I assume should be ok? In case it's not I can survive without traveling.

I've never heard of the blue card before. Thank you for mentioning it to me. Could definitely come in handy if I don't manage to get Swedish citizenship.

Thanks again

SundayChampion wrote:

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Thank you for your answer! I really appreciate it and I feel a bit more assured. Hopefully the Swedish system is as "lenient" as the Hungarian.

That would be ideal but I have already gone on sick leave last year due to the mental health problems I struggled with because of this job. The process of being granted the time off was rather tearing in itself and I want to look for something that is actually fulfilling (hopefully not for too long).

I am not planning to leave the country besides on shorter holiday trips which I assume should be ok? In case it's not I can survive without traveling.

I've never heard of the blue card before. Thank you for mentioning it to me. Could definitely come in handy if I don't manage to get Swedish citizenship.

Thanks again

Perhaps you need to find the right medic to sign you off.  I don't know how it might work in Sweden. It's not uncommon to feel burnt out. I went through it a couple of times.  I just had to have time off to recharge and get perspective again. 

I don't know much about the Blue Card.   It seems to be some kind of temporary work permit which works nearly everywhere EU.   We lost the right to work everywhere in Brexit.  But we retained our options in our adopted countries.   The big Brexit Boris difference is we had rights, now we only have permissions.   We can be easily deported etc.  In previous times, it was very difficult to deport an EU citizen. 

On my HU residence permit, it says I'm issued the permit because of Article 50 of the Withdrawal Agreement.   As far as I know, it gives no other rights.  In my own case, I don't want to go anywhere else permanent to work in the near future.  I'm close to retirement age.

Of course you can go on holiday.  I travel and no-one said anything to me (except German passport control at Schengen borders).  There's a difference now at passports here in HU.  They scan me in more detail so they are tracking my comings and goings into and out of Schengen.  They barely even looked at my passport before.   They also scan the residence permit.  It's far more time consuming than before.   Since my hassle with the Germans,  I now only take direct flights to/from HU  since it's extra rubbish being hassled at a non-HU Schengen border.   We're now all 2nd class citizens.

Obviously getting Swedish citizenship would be better really than any permit as your rights would be back to "normal" and you could work anywhere EU.

I don't know anyone who has attempted to move countries on the basis of an Article 50 residence permit and tried to get an EU Blue Card.  Be interesting if someone posted about that.

Anyways, this is just stuff I've read about.  You'd need to do more research to get to the bottom of it all.

I came through passports this morning at BUD airport and despite my immediate protestations and having presented my RP and ID cards, the border guard stamped my passport.

I then said, "I have a residence permit under Article 50, you should not stamp my passport, please cancel the stamp" and then she got the huff and simply crossed it out.  I don't think it's enough.  They should overstamp with something like "cancelled" and make sure the computer records are correct.

I reckon she was just being belligerent and bloody minded. 

Now I don't know where I stand on this or if it'll make any difference when and if I pass other Schengen borders (unlikely). 

- @fluffy2560

My experience is that if you put a peasant in a uniform, they are still peasants.  If it makes you feel any better, If you believe my passport, I've entered the Netherlands seven times since Brexit, but only left twice and I'm still there right now and because nobody else outside of the EU has signed up for this system, nobody else has been trained so just default to their own process, this is when they spot unequal visits and departures; good luck entering the USA with such a passport; you'll get in, but bring a flask of coffee with you.  I think it was trip 4 when the KMar guy noticed the disparity, followed by lots of shoulder shrugging; whatever your point of view, this isn't working.
- @Cynic

Anyone had any  trouble reaching BMBAH (immigration) recently?

They don't answer the phone and no longer have an online appointment booking system.

Anyone know how you're supposed to interact with them right now? 

I have a new passport, I need to show it to them to update the record (this is required apparently). 

If I don't I'll be screwed at the airport as my passport and the RP won't match.

Anyone had any trouble reaching BMBAH (immigration) recently?
They don't answer the phone and no longer have an online appointment booking system.

Anyone know how you're supposed to interact with them right now?

I have a new passport, I need to show it to them to update the record (this is required apparently).

If I don't I'll be screwed at the airport as my passport and the RP won't match.
-@fluffy2560

I have no idea but hope it works out .

Perhaps they have a booth to check your records at the airport?

You might be able to contact your embassy directly by ringing them up in the UK to ask what's up?

It's getting more and more stressful to get anything done these days.

Everything is done online and it's hard to speak to a human operator.

I wonder how it works these days in the UK/HU  with the NH service.

I suppose since they are no longer in the EU that the UK NH card will not work here in Hungary as it did in the past?

I have no idea but hope it works out .
Perhaps they have a booth to check your records at the airport?
You might be able to contact your embassy directly by ringing them up in the UK to ask what's up?
It's getting more and more stressful to get anything done these days.
Everything is done online and it's hard to speak to a human operator.
I wonder how it works these days in the UK/HU with the NH service.
I suppose since they are no longer in the EU that the UK NH card will not work here in Hungary as it did in the past?
-@Marilyn Tassy

What is NH? NHS card? It's not about that.  British EHIC (European Health Insurance Cards) are still valid up to their validity date for visitors entitled to use them.

Anyway, the BMBAH online pages only talk about "Enter Hungary" which has no options for appointments or change in details. Seems to be focused on Ukrainians now.

I've noticed passport control sticking my passport in the machine and also my RP.  I looked at my registration document and the passport number is there. I also saw on the BMBAH web site, a change of passport means one must show the new passport to BMBAH to update. Takes 2 minutes.

Even Mrs F cannot find out what to do.

I am thinking of trying it on at the airport and use my new passport to travel and see if they care enough. I know for certain that there's no link between ID used to check-in and that used to cross the border. The chances are I can leave and come back even if I get hassled coming back in.

I am also thinking of just turning up and trying to get in the door at BMBAH. Either arrive 0700h to get in the queue or go late to see if it's busy or not. I suspect it's busy all the time.

Waste of time asking the UK embassy anything - they'll never do a damn thing. They are only there to enjoy cocktail parties and enjoy jolly trips in the countryside. They don't even process visas or passports there anymore. Might has well get rid of the staff, close it down to one room, keep a couple of people to answer the phone and only open couple of days a week. Or just do it all in Zoom or make a regional centre in say, Vienna.

OH, I see, I thought the UK medical system was called NH , NHS never knew it was called,EHIC.

I suppose then that a HU health card would work in the UK if their works here?

OH, I see, I thought the UK medical system was called NH , NHS never knew it was called,EHIC.
I suppose then that a HU health card would work in the UK if their works here?
-@Marilyn Tassy

In the UK, it's the NHS - National Health Service. That's the public health service everyone can use for free. It's not based on any ability to pay - medicines are free for over 60s and free for all in Wales and Scotland. Don't know about NI or Isle of Man or Channel Islands.  Lots of good things to say about the NHS. It's highly regarded or was and will be again if the UK government changes reasonably soon.

EHIC is an entitlement card previously provided which allowed holders to get health care in another EU (and some others) on a reciprocal basis. It's a blue card with name, number and expiry date. To get one, one needs to apply for it. Usually issued without too much ado.  It was only intended for temporary/visitor use, not permanent use. Since Brexit there's a UK fudging the system card called the Global Health Insurance Card. Never seen one. Don't know how they work. Maybe the same.

EHIC cards are not TAJ cards. It's a separate thing. We don't have equivalent TAJ cards in the UK as treatment is not based on ability to pay or even identity. EHIC cards all look the same in the EU.

And indeed, you're right, a EHIC card issued in Hungary (or anywhere EU) would be accepted in the UK. 

But actually the chances of being asked to pay for anything small in the UK is almost zero. For example, if you broke your arm, they'd probably just treat you and then let you leave. The cost of trying to get the money from you is higher than the amount they'd receive. I don't think GPs would even know how to charge people.

None of that helps my BMBAH problem. The helpline disconnects if you call it. Rings a while, then there's a sound like a squeaky wheel and it disconnects. They say they are funded by the EU. I'd be asking where the money is being spent because it's not being spent on delivering anything. Immigrants aren't voters so stuff them I suppose.