Brexit and its implications for British, HU and any other citizens

Hello!
Is anybody going to the British Embassy Town Hall meeting on Wednesday?
It would be interesting to meet up.

croftg wrote:

Hello!
Is anybody going to the British Embassy Town Hall meeting on Wednesday?
It would be interesting to meet up.

I thought it was cancelled....but I just looked and it's back on...

Town Hall Meeting 20 March 2019 1730-1930

Mrs Fluffy and I were there last time and there wasn't really much to say about it. 

They just go on about registering which doesn't always fit with people's circumstances as some tough questions revealed  - for example, if you have your family here but work in another country, you're stuffed apparently.  It's ridiculous. 

Both the Ambassador and the HU representatives know the same as us - effectively FA.   The PM has apparently asked for an extension.  But with 9 working days to go, it's all 1m to midnight.

BTW, BMBAH have a British Nationals helpdesk - BMBAH Help Desk.  Not likely anything useful to come of that.

Just an opinionated update on events....

So Speaker Bercow has said don't bring the same thing back again and the PM is in a difficult position. I'm incredulous she's now insisting on overruling parliamentary conventions going back 400 years, ignoring the speaker and bringing the same thing back again. 

Now that's a real WTF moment.

In other commentary, I heard the PM will ask Thursday in the EU summit for 9 months and that, coupled with the option for some negotiated deal that we'd be talking 2 years before the UK leaves.  EU has to agree unanimously - 27 people agreeing to anything in 5 minutes seems unlikely. 

So this starts to get weird as the UK would have  to take part in the European Parliamentary elections in short order.   

Moreover, if they cannot get an agreement to extend, the default and legal position is OUT next Friday.   And now it looking like the PM is actually running down the clock.  I wondered if she ever got to a vote, the ERG would drag it out and it'd be a fait accompli.

What are we going to learn at the Town Hall meeting?  We know FA more than we knew the day before?!

I am using this pearl as guidance....Private Fraser

fluffy2560 wrote:

Just an opinionated update on events....

So Speaker Bercow has said don't bring the same thing back again and the PM is in a difficult position. I'm incredulous she's now insisting on overruling parliamentary conventions going back 400 years, ignoring the speaker and bringing the same thing back again. 

Now that's a real WTF moment.

In other commentary, I heard the PM will ask Thursday in the EU summit for 9 months and that, coupled with the option for some negotiated deal that we'd be talking 2 years before the UK leaves.  EU has to agree unanimously - 27 people agreeing to anything in 5 minutes seems unlikely. 

So this starts to get weird as the UK would have  to take part in the European Parliamentary elections in short order.   

Moreover, if they cannot get an agreement to extend, the default and legal position is OUT next Friday.   And now it looking like the PM is actually running down the clock.  I wondered if she ever got to a vote, the ERG would drag it out and it'd be a fait accompli.

What are we going to learn at the Town Hall meeting?  We know FA more than we knew the day before?!

I am using this pearl as guidance....Private Fraser

Brexit wont happen  the british parliament and government is not brave enough to face the consequences of the no-deal brexit, the deal is worse than remaining a member so no brexit.

panzer25 wrote:

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Brexit wont happen  the british parliament and government is not brave enough to face the consequences of the no-deal brexit, the deal is worse than remaining a member so no brexit.

The British PM is nothing short of an idiot, the sort of weak minded fool that walks i so a second hand furniture shop and comes out with a lousy sofa that cost more than a new one.
Her negotiation skills are pitiful at best, and she's given  away every advantage in favour of a 'bend over and hope the radish isn't too big' tactic.
The UK's pathetic excuse for a PM is a mug, a fool, a silly twit with no guts.
Brexit might well happen, not because that stupid plastic PM will do anything useful, more because the EU is such a mess they'll probably never manage to agree on an extension.

Whatever your point of view about Brexit, the politicians, especially the British ones, are a set of morons.

panzer25 wrote:

Brexit wont happen  the british parliament and government is not brave enough to face the consequences of the no-deal brexit, the deal is worse than remaining a member so no brexit.

I am wondering even if they don't have the cojones to take the no-deal, will they be able to pass any legislation to stop it happening.  We could fall out by default.

One thing I was rather surprised about was Juncker (I think) saying (paraphrasing) "I want to know what the extension is for".  Well, so what? He's over estimating his power in this game. 

The UK remains a full member until the end of next week and it's perfectly for the UK to withdraw it's legislation to leave. It has not actually signed the exit treaty/deal with the EU either. 

Tomorrow is more of a key date - we'll find out if the EU agrees to an extension.  If they don't agree, then what next?  Drop out I presume!   

Fred wrote:

The British PM is nothing short of an idiot, the sort of weak minded fool that walks i so a second hand furniture shop and comes out with a lousy sofa that cost more than a new one.
Her negotiation skills are pitiful at best, and she's given  away every advantage in favour of a 'bend over and hope the radish isn't too big' tactic.
The UK's pathetic excuse for a PM is a mug, a fool, a silly twit with no guts.
Brexit might well happen, not because that stupid plastic PM will do anything useful, more because the EU is such a mess they'll probably never manage to agree on an extension.

Whatever your point of view about Brexit, the politicians, especially the British ones, are a set of morons.

She cannot be that stupid. She's risen to the highest office in the land.  But even if she's not an idiot, she's making a pretty good job of acting like one or her game is at such a high level, it's beyond mere mortals not participating.   Were seeing here, history in the making.  People will be writing books on this for years about her.   It might be she's sabotaging the process.

fluffy2560 wrote:

It might be she's sabotaging the process.

Very possibly - politicians that sell out their country are often rewarded by Brussels for their treachery, and/or the cash their making out of the UK remaining.

As you can see, I've avoided expressing my opinion of leave or remain, but been pretty clear about my low opinion of greedy, grasping, corrupt, idiotic politicians.
I'm unsure if that lot come above to below estate agents and lawyers in the deepest depths of a sewage farm.

Fred wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

It might be she's sabotaging the process.

Very possibly - politicians that sell out their country are often rewarded by Brussels for their treachery, and/or the cash their making out of the UK remaining.

As you can see, I've avoided expressing my opinion of leave or remain, but been pretty clear about my low opinion of greedy, grasping, corrupt, idiotic politicians.
I'm unsure if that lot come above to below estate agents and lawyers in the deepest depths of a sewage farm.

I am really beginning to wonder if this is just a gigantic stitch up.   

What's literally just been said on the radio (LBC) is that the EU will strongly oppose the short term extension and ask for either no-deal Brexit next week or an extension to the end of the year.  Faced with that I think the longer extension will be agreed. 

I can imagine the PM and Juncker having some secretive phone calls where they agree a deal to drag it out for even longer. 

I reckon we'll be getting an extension to the end of next year.  But immediately we have a general election post agreement to extend, Teresa will be out, then we'll see who turns up next to screw it up. I cannot see Corbyn getting anywhere.

For the current crop, my money is on Sajid Javid - he's been groomed by being Home Secretary.  Be an interesting scenario - first Asian origin PM for the UK. 

Not that it matters to most, Mayor of London Sadiq Khan same and he's quite popular.

Wonder how Trump is going to deal with that scenario considering the insults flying over Sadiq.  Rest of us might just say, meh.

I think it's over now. It's going to have to be no-deal. 

The reason I say that is Tusk's demand  (blackmail?) on the UK parliament accepting Teresa's deal before an extension, I cannot see that being acceptable to the ERG and many others.  It'll just rub everyone up the wrong way. 

I reckon it's fall out on Friday next week.

fluffy2560 wrote:

I can imagine the PM and Juncker having some secretive phone calls where they agree a deal to drag it out for even longer.

Bad for the EU. Mainly because uncertainty is always bad for business.

But politicians.... well..... just because someone is popular (i.e. elected), does not mean they actually know what they are doing. 

The UK should just go. It was their unilateral vote to leave. Enough is enough. I am personally tired of suffering other other people's bad (i.e. ignorant, and uneducated) decisions. An electorate must be a fully informed and properly educated electorate that can weight issues properly based on facts. Else democracy will fail. It seems to have failed under Brexit. Oh well. There are rational, fact based solutions, but political hubris and cowardice prevents them.

klsallee wrote:

I am personally tired of suffering other other people's bad (i.e. ignorant, and uneducated) decisions. An electorate must be a fully informed and properly educated electorate that can weight issues properly based on facts. Else democracy will fail. It seems to have failed under Brexit. Oh well. There are rational, fact based solutions, but political hubris and cowardice prevents them.

The vast majority of people are Sun comic (newspaper?) reading idiotic sheep with no clue about anything a drunken man in a pub or self interested politician doesn't rant on about.
As long as he gets his eyes around a set of nice breasts on page three, he rarely cares about understanding the set of useless breasts running the country.

(My major was subtlety as defined by Yorkshire people)

Basically, between money grabbing front benchers trying for an EU commissioner job, and the set of well bribed minions we know as MPs, the UK hasn't a hope of making a good deal because they're all focused on what they're making out of the job as opposed to doing what they're supposed to be doing - representing the best interests of their people and country.

The UK parliament (grabbing Idiots) and the EU member state's politicians (another set of grabbing idiots) have to get together and agree a deal in a week that they have failed to manage over the last couple of years.
I'm not betting on much happening so fasten your seat belts and pray to whatever god you like the sound of because the politicians don't give a flying rat's arse about any of you.

I'm considering a new career, perhaps as a diplomat - Do you think I'd be any good at it?

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

I can imagine the PM and Juncker having some secretive phone calls where they agree a deal to drag it out for even longer.

Bad for the EU. Mainly because uncertainty is always bad for business.

But politicians.... well..... just because someone is popular (i.e. elected), does not mean they actually know what they are doing. 

The UK should just go. It was their unilateral vote to leave. Enough is enough.[b] I am personally tired of suffering other other people's bad (i.e. ignorant, and uneducated) decisions. An electorate must be a fully informed and properly educated electorate that can weight issues properly based on facts. Else democracy will fail.  It seems to have failed under Brexit. Oh well. There are rational, fact based solutions, but political hubris and cowardice prevents them.

That's not a Brexit thing, that's totally here too dude.  People who believe the BS, well, it's their own fault - here's spin but done badly: Orban raises a laugh.

Actually one could argue that democracy or at least the parliamentary debate has actually proved it's up to the job.  It's stopped a bad deal and it might actually defeat Article 50 or delay it a bit and it might come up with a better deal. 

Same applies to The Donald - stopped him messing up things even more.

I'm pretty sure democracy was what started this off, or did I misunderstand the referendum?

MPs that try to stop Brexit are anti democracy, even if you don't want to say it because you want the UK to remain.
There was a popular vote to leave, that being one vote more than the vote to enter.

Fred wrote:

I'm pretty sure democracy was what started this off, or did I misunderstand the referendum?

MPs that try to stop Brexit are anti democracy, even if you don't want to say it because you want the UK to remain.

There was a popular vote to leave, that being one vote more than the vote to enter.

Yes, you are right, it was democracy in action.  But was it a fair fight?  Who knows for sure - what with the likes of Facebook and Vote Leave manipulating the result.  And it was 3 years ago.   But this is isn't like the Irish rejection of the Lisbon treaty where a re-run gets the "right answer" and the gap was wide (larger than Brexit).  But they didn't change the treaty, they just sold it differently and got it past the line.

But for Brexit, I cannot see the PM has a chance of getting her agreement past parliament or even revoking Article 50.  She's had it now - she's out of time and out of support.   

The way the EU in the form as Tusk has behaved is also unacceptable.  He's essentially signed her PM-ship's death warrant and also banged in a few the nails at the end. He knows she's weak in parliament and hasn't a chance I think a fall out as no deal is inevitable.   

If anyone wanted to see EU political interference first hand, Tusk's intervention is proof.  He's pretty much proved the Brexiteers sovereignty complaint.

Some results from the Town Hall Meeting and other contributors I met (thanks to them):

1) Validity of UK EHIC cards post Brexit deal or no-deal is unknown.   HU EHICs used in the UK are valid until their expiry date regardless.  HU has no reciprocal recognition agreed on that.   Seems oddly planned but probably would be agreed post-Brexit.

2) BMBAH: Registration can be fast tracked.  There's a special desk at the Budafoki Ut Immigration office - desk 4 - which can be approached directly but may only operate for very short periods, like 1h per day.  There's a notice on the notice board specifically for it so check it out.  If you need to get there, the message is to do it as quickly as possible and to get there early due to crowds and short hours.   Language issues are not a problem - they speak English.

Take your passport, apartment/house rental or purchase contract, EHIC card (or other insurance proof), marriage documents, driving license, any translations and anything else that might seem to be relevant - might be needed, might not.  All originals, no copies.  There are no apparent need for bank details or financial statement if you have a valid EHIC from another country.  No cash, only card payments HUF 1000.    Card issued is an EEA registration card valid for 3 years and can be swapped within those 3 years for another "post-Brexit" card of some form or other. 

Parking opposite in the shopping centre, 300 HUF / hour.

Word of concern - you cannot go to ANY office. You have to go to the office where your residence is.  So a person living in Pest cannot go to say, the Tatabanya or Szekesfehervar office to skip the crowds.

SimCityAT wrote:

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That sums quite a lot up there but mainly it shows how dumb people actually are. 

But really on the other hand,  one could enjoy the benefits of the EU or say Spain or Malta without actually being a citizen of the EU. 

For the ordinary non-expat British person, nothing much will change for their holidays. 

Economies of places like Portugal and Spain are heavily dependent on British tourists.  Even the Netherlands sells billions in fruit and veg to the UK each year.  And then there's Volkswagen. It's hardly in their interest to put up barriers.

It might actually turn out to be a storm in a teacup like the Y2K thing.

I hope the UK turns itself into the economic Singapore of Europe.  If it can do that in 10 years, the EU is doomed.

fluffy2560 wrote:

And then there's Volkswagen.

Absolutely.

After their USA sales fell off after they lied about their diesel engines, where else can they sell them but the UK?

fluffy2560 wrote:

People who believe the BS, well, it's their own fault.

Yes. It is. Seriously. Man up. Nobody is forcing anyone to believe anything.

And with the Internet, the facts are easy to find. Not easy to clarify, but easy to find. So no excuses. Anyone, who wishes, can find the facts (not "truth" which is subjective). But people decide rather to create their own reality bubbles. This is more common today than you may expect. Where they call their opinions "facts". Sad.

That is, a lot of people are not interested in facts (*cough*chemtrails*cough*), they are interested in others supporting their pre-supposed belief systems. Which is different. To break that requires education. Basic psychology.

So, it is also the fault of education. And of the government to properly educate the electorate, in an unbiased manner. But an ignorant electorate is actually to the benefit of radical and extreme idealists. Which is why governments do not always properly, fairly and unbiasedly educate their people.

But again, nobody is stopping someone from picking up a book of basic logic. Or even going to a Wikipedia page of all the common logical fallacies that they will hear or read every day by politicians and political pundit so they will know when they are being lied to, conned or finagled.  So, yes, there is an element of personal responsibility here as well.

And the fact that some politicians can make political capital out of it... kind of proves my point. A really educated electorate should, ideally, see through that. But, you can fool some of the people all of the time -- and if "some" is enough numerically, you can win elections and gain power.

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

And then there's Volkswagen.

Absolutely.

After their USA sales fell off after they lied about their diesel engines, where else can they sell them but the UK?

Why single out the UK  as being a dumping ground for dodgy cars?   

There's a lot of them here and in Germany and other places.  They screwed the EU and plenty of others too.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Why single out the UK  as being a dumping ground for dodgy cars?

Well... When did the UK last produce a world class car.....

The English are kind of a well known joke about cars. Such as :

Frasier: Thank you!  But the moment I give a fig for what you think is the day that England produces a great chef, a world-class bottle of wine, and a car that has a decent electrical system!

But seriously... i put an "updated" joke smiley there in my last pose. To indicate, I was not serious.

As per history of ŧhe Smiley:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sef/Orig-Smiley.htm

klsallee wrote:

....But an ignorant electorate is actually to the benefit of radical and extreme idealists. Which is why governments do not always properly, fairly and unbiasedly educate their people.

But again, nobody is stopping someone from picking up a book of basic logic. Or even going to a Wikipedia page of all the common logical fallacies that they will hear or read every day by politicians and political pundit so they will know when they are being lied to, conned or finagled.  So, yes, there is an element of personal responsibility here as well.

And the fact that some politicians can make political capital out of it... kind of proves my point. A really educated electorate should, ideally, see through that. But, you can fool some of the people all of the time -- and if "some" is enough numerically, you can win elections and gain power.

I am not sure it's about government entirely.   Maybe it's about degree. 

But sure personal responsibility is a big part of it.

There's always going to be an intellectual elite which can analyse and draw conclusions but lack the support of the rest of the population.   That's regardless of their actual education.  Some people are simply smarter than others. Analytical types are probably less than 5-10% of the population. 

Of course if you control the media and control information, control education and change acceptable ethics. you can manipulate the majority of people. That's what counts.  Communism and fascists did all that.  The Donald and OV are more recent examples of such manipulators.

Maybe it's like herd immunity.  Once you reach the tipping point, you can dumb things down.  Then the abilities of the average person in a situation such that they  cannot recognise they are being manipulated and spoon fed drivel/propaganda. 

In  an average and freely educated country,  the majority should be able to bring themselves to a sensible conclusion in the absence of manipulation.

klsallee wrote:

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Well... When did the UK last produce a world class car.....

The English are kind of a well known joke about cars. Such as :

Frasier: Thank you!  But the moment I give a fig for what you think is the day that England produces a great chef, a world-class bottle of wine, and a car that has a decent electrical system!

....

Nah, that's ancient history now.  I suppose Fraiser's scripwriter was of that age.

During the 1970s, UK car manufacture was pretty dire as to quality.  These were the days of British Leyland and nationalisation.   There were some terrible cars including one I owned called a Morris Marina.  The steering was abysmal and the fuel consumption atrocious but it had some good points.

The UK produced a sports car (TR7?) that did sometimes catch fire but I don't think anyone died from that unlike the US produced Ford Pinto where you'd die or be seriously injured in a fire in a rear end shunt.  Let's not mention the Edsel either.

But there have always been plenty of cars made in the UK of quality, particularly now - Bentleys, Rolls-Royce, Minis and so on.   There are no indigenous (UK owned) car manufacturers now though.  They are all owned by GM, BMW, Ford etc.   UK is a good innovator but often screws up the production. 

To keep on topic, no-one knows about exports of these cars to the EU and elsewhere.

We do have chefs who are considered great and well known internationally - Gordon Ramsay or Jamie Olivier  - but perhaps they are more populist than truly great.  I think most of them are trained in France and Ramsay certainly with the Roux family.  I suppose we could lay claim to the Roux family as sort of British.

As for wine, things are on the up, possibly due to climate change.  There's a large vineyard near my original neck of the woods over there called Denbies.  I'll be driving past it tomorrow!   

There are also some in the south west, i.e.  Pebblebed.  Becoming more popular but of course, not yet rivalling the older vineyards elsewhere.

klsallee wrote:

Well... When did the UK last produce a world class car.....

I quite fancy a Morgan

SimCityAT wrote:

klsallee wrote:

Well... When did the UK last produce a world class car.....

I quite fancy a Morgan

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I agree with that! 

There's also the Caterham and the TVR.

In a moment of madness I almost bought a TVR but realised it's impractical to own such a car if you have kids and need to buy furniture at Ikea or get bags of cement from OBI.

I think all of the aforementioned cars are definitely world class.

I was going to post an update but I don't know what is going in Blighty right now and I don't think anyone has a crystal/carbon fibre ball big enough to know either. 

As far as I can tell the Teresa May agreement is coming back again after being rejected 2 times. Moreover, yesterday, every variation on Brexit was rejected by Parliament. Even revoking Article 50 was rejected. So looks like an ongoing impasse.  I cannot see the European Council throwing the UK out for indecision.

I'm with the German MEP Herr Geiger who said he was bored to death of Brexit.

I've almost stopped watching the news now.

fluffy2560 wrote:

I was going to post an update but I don't know what is going in Blighty right now and I don't think anyone has a crystal/carbon fibre ball big enough to know either. 

As far as I can tell the Teresa May agreement is coming back again after being rejected 2 times. Moreover, yesterday, every variation on Brexit was rejected by Parliament. Even revoking Article 50 was rejected. So looks like an ongoing impasse.  I cannot see the European Council throwing the UK out for indecision.

I'm with the German MEP Herr Geiger who said he was bored to death of Brexit.

I've almost stopped watching the news now.

Do you remember Yes Minister? I watched parliament yesterday and it was a complete farce. At one point last night, some shadow minister said you forget that you have people watching in the public gallery, but the world is watching this embarrassment.

How were they meant to debate on a Motion when they have not been what it is?

People say the EU needs reforming, in a way it does. But my word, the UK political system needs it reforming far more than the EU.

SimCityAT wrote:

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Do you remember Yes Minister? I watched parliament yesterday and it was a complete farce. At one point last night, some shadow minister said you forget that you have people watching in the public gallery, but the world is watching this embarrassment.

How were they meant to debate on a Motion when they have not been what it is?

Yes Minister was the work of geniuses. It's a shame all the actors are now dead and the writers are not  a bit younger.  They could have a field day with a Brexit story line.  I am not sure if it's a comedy or a tragedy or both.  Perhaps Yes Minister was a documentary.

SimCityAT wrote:

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People say the EU needs reforming, in a way it does. But my word, the UK political system needs it reforming far more than the EU.

Not just "in a way", it definitely it needs reform.  It's one of my main points against the EU is that it needs reform.  I have more or less come to a conclusion that the EU is incompatible with a free market. 

UK parliament is full of weirdos - Rees-Mogg's BS on who went to which public school and therefore had the knowledge to comment authoritatively on whatever subject just showed how these people are unconnected with the people or even reality.  Rees-Mogg has principles and give him enough time, you can see which one is the flavour of the day.

The EU always shoots itself in the foot seeking a rationale for its existence with unnecessary agendas - now they want speed limited cars and also the DST clock change.   I cannot see Northern EU states being keen on removing the clock change.  And speed limited cars means spying on people.

The rightist agenda might be coming to an end out this way.  It looks like a liberal reformer will be elected President in Slovakia on an anti-corruption platform.  Maybe  this is a crack in the Visegrad group.  Just needs a correct person to emerge and then bring a coherent agenda.

Back in Blighty, the Attorney General has said this is the last time the Withdrawal Agreement will be presented to parliament.   Well good!  Make sure it's well and truly dead once and for all.

Cool speech even if you don't agree:

Alice Weidel - AfD...speech on Brexit

Zzz......*yawn*.....

United Kingdom: Brexit deadline extended to 31 October 2019

As of 11 April 2019 the EU has granted an extension of the Brexit departure deadline to 31 October 2019. This extension follows an earlier agreement that guaranteed the U.K. 15 additional days past the original 29 March departure date to reach an arrangement for the nation's departure from the union. Amid difficulty reaching a consensus, British Prime Minister Theresa May requested additional time for the U.K. to prepare a Brexit agreement, resulting in the new departure deadline. The EU has included an early departure clause to the new deadline to grant the U.K. the ability to depart the union prior to 31 October should parliament reach an agreement sooner.

Latest news as of today...

If it's fall out without a deal, then immediately free movement for EU citizens to the UK is cancelled 1st November.  And presumably the same is true the other way - UK citizen EU rights also stopped.   EHICs, possibly driving licences (US: licenses), all invalid.

However, just to clarify the spin, to get to suspension of EU citizen rights HMG has to pass the Immigration Bill separately from any other legislation.  At the moment, they have no realistic majority to pass it. 

Corbyn might just win his vote of no confidence with rebels in which case all bets are off.  However, Corbyn as an interim PM, I cannot see any one supporting that, even if they are Remainers against Brexit and BJ.  However, they could vote in a PM as interim - heaven forbid it's either leader of the house.

BJ could be the shortest serving PM in history! Not the Churchillian outcome he expected!

fluffy2560 wrote:

Latest news as of today...

If it's fall out without a deal, then immediately free movement for EU citizens to the UK is cancelled 1st November.  And presumably the same is true the other way - UK citizen rights cancelled the other way.

However, just to clarify the spin, to get to suspension of EU citizen rights HMG has to pass the Immigration Bill separately from any other legislation.  At the moment, they have no realistic majority to pass it. 

Corbyn might just win his vote of no confidence with rebels in which case all bets are off.  However, Corbyn as an interim PM, I cannot see any one supporting that, even if they are Remainers against Brexit and BJ.  However, they could vote in a PM as interim - heaven forbid it's either leader of the house.

BJ could be the shortest serving PM in history! Not the Churchillian outcome he expected!

What could this mean for UK citizens who already live here in Hungary?
I saw something about 30,000 HU citizens getting resident permits to stay in the UK, think that is what is read.
Could it now work the other way? UK citizens need to start getting their papers ready for HU immigration?
Is it too soon to know?

SimCityAT wrote:

klsallee wrote:

Well... When did the UK last produce a world class car.....

I quite fancy a Morgan

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Beautiful car but I sure wouldn't wish to pay for any repairs bills...
My dream car as a teenager was a MG midget...
Had a MG but a model I can't recall any longer, had a hard top and probably the same engine as a midget has...
Nice little fun car to spin around town in.
If I got another sports car I'd probably go for either a Audi TT or a Mazda .
My husband drove a Fiat spider when I met him, fun car but not that practical.
He did drive it from NYC to S. Ca with no issues.
I drove a cute white Alfa 4 door that I bought from an old Italian man in Ca.
Loved it, ran great, when it ran...Had many little issues here and there, was in the shop every few months for one thing or the other.
I finally found myself a real Italian sports car mechanic,he had the car running like butter.
3 days after getting it out of the shop, some dumb jerk ran a red light and clipped my car from the back quarter as I was finishing up my left turn.
End of car.... spun around 180 degrees at least it was a well built car, I walked away but my poor little car was a insurance cp. right off...
Makes you reconsider having a small car when a truck hits you.

SimCityAT wrote:

klsallee wrote:

Well... When did the UK last produce a world class car.....

I quite fancy a Morgan

Fewer than 1000 Morgans a year are produced. Hand made. They are more like works of art that just happen to be cars, than cars. Yes, they can be lovely. I actually fancy the eccentric three wheeler myself.

But I was referring to a more "industrial" sense of auto manufacturing.

klsallee wrote:

SimCityAT wrote:

klsallee wrote:

Well... When did the UK last produce a world class car.....

I quite fancy a Morgan

Fewer than 1000 Morgans a year are produced. Hand made. They are more like works of art that just happen to be cars, than cars. Yes, they can be lovely. I actually fancy the eccentric three wheeler myself.

But I was referring to a more "industrial" sense of auto manufacturing.

They don't make cars as beautiful as they used to do.
My cousin's father had an old 1939 Cord that he rebuilt over the years.She donated it to a car museum in his name. Just a beautiful car.
Even my 1973 Alfa Romeo Berlina had a wooden dash board and steering wheel, miss that baby.
Noticed one on sale  for only $7,000.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

SimCityAT wrote:

klsallee wrote:

Well... When did the UK last produce a world class car.....

I quite fancy a Morgan

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Beautiful car but I sure wouldn't wish to pay for any repairs bills...
My dream car as a teenager was a MG midget...
Had a MG but a model I can't recall any longer, had a hard top and probably the same engine as a midget has...
....
I finally found myself a real Italian sports car mechanic,he had the car running like butter.
3 days after getting it out of the shop, some dumb jerk ran a red light and clipped my car from the back quarter as I was finishing up my left turn.
End of car.... spun around 180 degrees at least it was a well built car, I walked away but my poor little car was a insurance cp. right off...
Makes you reconsider having a small car when a truck hits you.

Apparently if you have an insurance write off, what they do now in a lot of places is make you an offer to settle claims against it - i.e. you get to keep the car in its damaged state and they give you the money.  They don't even come out to look the damage - they just look at photos.

Wish we could of kept my old Alfa and still received the insurance money for it.
I do not remember how much the car cost but around $2,500. cash money directly from the first owner in 1983 or 84.
It was 10 years old when I bought it, so cute too.
Actually got more in the settlement with the personal injury part then  for the car damages...
one thing here in Hungary I don't think they pay out much if you get injured in an auto accident. No seeing the  therapist every few days and going into PT.
I know in the US the doctors get 1/3rd the lawyers get 1/3rd and you get wants left from the insurance co. Auto damages plus persoanl ijury.
Have to rack in the hours at the PT to see anything in your pocket later.
If you just take a straight payment from your insurance co. and do not hire a lawyer then you will hardly even get what your car is worth.It's the legal game in the US if you don't play it then you lose more then just your cute car.
We knew a HU guy who was smashed by, it sounds funny but it wasn't, 25,000 lbs. in a semi - truck of Purina dog food.
He was hit so hard on the AZ. desert that his car flipped about 5 times, broke his back and he was in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. It happened in the early 80's and after fighting the courts with his lawyers he got nearly 2 million dollars. A lot of money in the 80's for someone who never really held down a job in their lives.
I could write a short book on this, got my sister to help the guy around the house, met his entire family who he brought out from Romania to care for him after a year of legal work, a real strange guy who had been shortly involved in a cult in Hawaii which started out in S. Ca. Dang an entire movie could be made about this dudes life.
My husband told him to go to Hades after he saw how rude and abusive he was with his family though. He was never a sweetheart but being in a chair and getting money made him even more insane then he was normally.
All I can say is this dudes BIL a nice guy started to physically strangle the guy in the chair, he deserved it too.he used his family like his personal slaves, just because he brought them to the US.
Even my sister had enough of helping him with errands after a few days.She also told him to stuff it.
My husband knew of him in the refugee camp in Italy, they were in there the same time. Story is all the older Hungarian women in the camp would cross themselves everytime this dude walk close by. He was pure evil. Still things worked out for him, he really didn't need to be walking anywhere as he never worked in his life.
He once was featured in the LA Times. Front page actually! He was scammed later by some sahdy investors and lost about $800,000 in cash. Karma is a B.
Off topic for sure.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Wish we could of kept my old Alfa and still received the insurance money for it.
I do not remember how much the car cost but around $2,500. cash money directly from the first owner in 1983 or 84....

Moved to Absolutely Anything Else...

Meanwhile, back on topic.

What about BJ* suspending Parliament to ram through Brexit with a minimum of debate?

Guntram B. Wolff, the director of Bruegel, a Brussels research institution, wrote on Twitter. “How can a PM of a democratic country, elected neither by parliament nor by citizens, suspend the parliament that should hold him accountable?” Source.

* Boris Johnson, not the other BJ.