Today's Weather

klsallee wrote:

..... is predicting heavy thunderstorms this afternoon (in the next 30 minutes --- which will not happen here). .....is not predicting any rain at all.

My barometer is slowly falling, but not much yet (analog technology but I find to be the best short term predictor).

But only time will tell.

I've got the same on my barometer.  Falling pressure.  It's too hot to stand on my  patio. Reading well past 40 at the tile level.

The YR web site is quite good but slow to update.  The BBC is THE worst one.  Accuweather is quite good but it relies on airfield weather reports so can be inaccurate locally.

Some more real time weather data: My barometer has been unchanged for the past three hours. Sunny. Hot.

Actually, a storm may still happen, but these mostly happen in the early evening here anyway. Accuweather, even when correct, is almost always off by many hours. Just to make sure, I harvested the last of my garlic in case a storm makes the soil muddy (nothing worse than trying to get wet clay soil off a garlic bulb).

The weather dog has been inside all day. But I think he is just hot. He is not a good indicator of rain as he loves water too much -- any muddy puddle he will walk through and his favorite walk is to the local stream for a swim. Typical golden retriever.

klsallee wrote:

Some more real time weather data: My barometer has been unchanged for the past three hours. Sunny. Hot.

Actually, a storm may still happen, but these mostly happen in the early evening here anyway. Accuweather, even when correct, is almost always off by many hours. Just to make sure, I harvested the last of my garlic in case a storm makes the soil muddy (nothing worse than trying to get wet clay soil off a garlic bulb).

The weather dog has been inside all day. But I think he is just hot. He is not a good indicator of rain as he loves water too much -- any muddy puddle he will walk through and his favorite walk is to the local stream for a swim. Typical golden retriever.

Its showing 45 C on my balcony which would mean the tiles are "fried egg" too hot.    The shade thermometer is at 35 C.  The rain indicator now shows clouds.  Temperature trend is down and quite rapidly.

We're keeping the dog in a shady hallway during this heatwave.  This morning I put some ice cubes in her water bowl to see if that got her interested but she prefers to doze.  She usually perks up when the temperature goes down towards the evening.

We had an old kids pump up padding pool which we left outside  for her to splash in but she made a hole in it within about 5 minutes. And that's the end of that idea!  I now spray her with the hose pipe when I get the chance. 

Hmmm.....wet dog......

We still have high temps, but it just started to rain with a bit of Thunder, lets hope this will clear the air a bit.

The misses have gone to the Gym because it has AirCon

SimCityAT wrote:

The misses have gone to the Gym because it has AirCon

It's not that expensive to get it installed.  Probably cheaper than gym membership.

If you get one that does heating as well, it's useful for quick heat during the Spring and Autumn.

Basically a heat pump.

Update:  pfff...thunderstorms.... all talk and no trousers.   Some grumblings, a bit of darkness and it's all gone away.  It's 33 C and very sunny.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Update:  pfff...thunderstorms.... all talk and no trousers.   Some grumblings, a bit of darkness and it's all gone away.  It's 33 C and very sunny.

We had nice weather forecast but it keeps on raining then clearing up then pelting down.

Should have known really, its the opening day of our Winefest, it always rains.

SimCityAT wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

Update:  pfff...thunderstorms.... all talk and no trousers.   Some grumblings, a bit of darkness and it's all gone away.  It's 33 C and very sunny.

We had nice weather forecast but it keeps on raining then clearing up then pelting down.

Should have known really, its the opening day of our Winefest, it always rains.

Hmmmm....did you wash the car too?   Or put the washing out maybe?   Rain dance?

At least it must be cooling down.  Our electricity supply for the "green eco-energy" meter (it's a discount period) has two break periods 0800-1000h and 1600-1800h.  So our heat pump/airco doesn't work during those times. Not a problem usually but in this heat...phew....

Almost no clouds now. It's all burnt off.  I cannot see any thunderstorms coming today.

Just hot and humid yesterday. No rain.

Today predicted to be mild in the high 20s.

klsallee wrote:

Just hot and humid yesterday. No rain.

Today predicted to be mild in the high 20s.

My balcony thermometer reports 41 C in the sun but there's a freshness in the breeze.

Apparently in  Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg county, there was extreme weather with hailstones, crushed cars and roofs ripped off.   

Some photos here:

Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg weather pictures

Well after our rain and thunder yesterday the sky is blue with not a cloud in sight. Temps are going back into the '30s. I will have a wonder down the road and see what the clock tower says. Although it's nice and  hot, its nothing like the muddy weather we had.

So a walk up the road, the clock tower showed 31°C, Quite lucky that we have a nice breeze. Looking at the weather forecast for the next few days the temperature is increasing steadily with a thread of another thunderstorm on Tuesday.

SimCityAT wrote:

So a walk up the road, the clock tower showed 31°C, Quite lucky that we have a nice breeze. Looking at the weather forecast for the next few days the temperature is increasing steadily with a thread of another thunderstorm on Tuesday.

We were out driving and the car was showing 29 C.   In the shade, it's 25 C, with a nice breeze.

If this carries on, I'll have to start doing "outdoor things" again.   No longer any excuses about keeping out of the sun.

Thinking of going to buy a gazebo from Jysk.

Mrs Fluffy reported 51.5 C on the radio connected sensor in the sun on the balcony.  Now it's in shade, it is is reporting 36.5 C and inside temperature is 26.5 C. Clouds are gathering.  It feels very humid and mega sticky.

51.5°C that can't be right surely?

Here, I know its in the '30s. It was 28°C and that was at 9,30am and its a lot warmer now.

I risked cutting the grass this afternoon, which I did one part as it was in the shade, but sod doing any more till later

SimCityAT wrote:

51.5°C that can't be right surely?

Here, I know its in the '30s. It was 28°C and that was at 9,30am and its a lot warmer now.

I risked cutting the grass this afternoon, which I did one part as it was in the shade, but sod doing any more till later

Yes, it was but it was in direct sun so not really a fair measure in the official weather forecasting sense.   Our balcony is mega warm as it faces directly south. 

Cutting the grass is really rather risky.   It's hydro-magnetism - you'll attract rainfall - simple really, it's the Heisenberg-Einstein-Murphy bridge.  Same law that makes toast fall butter side down.

This arvo Mrs Fluffy and I have been planning some screwing.....

............things to the wall....

56.5 C in the direct sunshine, 28 C inside.

Cloud/rain predicted but no sign of clouds.

Very very humid.

fluffy2560 wrote:

56.5 C in the direct sunshine.

FWIIW: Direct sun temps are problematic and not often accurate of actual temperature. Solar radiation hitting an object alone can increase measured temps beyond actual temps, or the local area near the thermometer may have conditions that are magnifying the temperature beyond actual temps.

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

56.5 C in the direct sunshine.

FWIIW: Direct sun temps are problematic and not often accurate of actual temperature. Solar radiation hitting an object alone can increase measured temps beyond actual temps, or the local area near the thermometer may have conditions that are magnifying the temperature beyond actual temps.

Well, sure but it's the temperature you feel on you that's got to be important.  I did report the shade temperature as well.

They should really make a "Feels Like" measurement as part of the standard reporting. 

I know Accuweather does RealFeel.

fluffy2560 wrote:

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

56.5 C in the direct sunshine.

FWIIW: Direct sun temps are problematic and not often accurate of actual temperature. Solar radiation hitting an object alone can increase measured temps beyond actual temps, or the local area near the thermometer may have conditions that are magnifying the temperature beyond actual temps.

Well, sure but it's the temperature you feel on you that's got to be important.

Well, actually, that is not accurate either. As a large bag of water, your body will not "feel" the temperature the same as a tiny thermometer or thermocouple in the sun.  I actually did a lot of physiological research dealing with body temps in desert climates. Did all sorts of things to try to emulate "bodies" of animals and record "body temps" of models. And there a large body of literature on this topic, and is still an ongoing discussion point in this field: how to really model the actual solar radiation affects on a body. In short: there is no simple answer. But most agree, a thermometer alone in the sun is a pretty useless model.

Which is why "shade temperature" is actually a misnomer. What that is simply doing is recording actual air temperature, minus solar radiation. After all, one can in the dead of winter record air temps of below freezing "in the shade", but in the right circumstances are able to record "solar radiation" temps in the sun as if it were a summer day. Yet the snow does not melt. Nor will you feel warm if you take off your cloths and try to sun bath.

fluffy2560 wrote:

[They should really make a "Feels Like" measurement as part of the standard reporting.

They can not, because it is not possible. Too much individual variation. Being acclimated to heat or cold is also important regarding "the feel". Which is why it is not possible to create such a generic scale. I am very well acclimated to heat. So I "feel heat" less than others. I will happily keep marching along, and not "feel" any heat as others around me pass out from their affects of the heat. I am often the only person working outside here on a hot summer day. Meanwhile, I "feel" that I start to "freeze" at about 12°C. As I said, it is complicated.

Accuweather yesterday predicted strong thunder storms and possible flooding for today.

Norwegian Meteorological Institute did not.

My barometer did not.

The weather dog was dry when outside (so no rain) and stayed inside all day (i.e. indicator of heat).

It did not rain so far today.

Here, rain often occurs at night. Will see what happens tonight.

But I am keeping an eye on the barometer. Seems the most accurate in the summer.

33 C in the shade, 27 C inside, cloudy and sunny at the same time.

Was walking in the forest (up Janoshegy)  yesterday about 19h with the furry Fluffyette (aka dog) and it was very pleasantly cool and remarkably busy with joggers, cyclists and dog walkers.

klsallee wrote:

....... And there a large body of literature on this topic, and is still an ongoing discussion point in this field: how to really model the actual solar radiation affects on a body. In short: there is no simple answer. But most agree, a thermometer alone in the sun is a pretty useless model.

..... but in the right circumstances are able to record "solar radiation" temps in the sun as if it were a summer day. Yet the snow does not melt. Nor will you feel warm if you take off your cloths and try to sun bath.

.... As I said, it is complicated.

What about making it less complicated?

I'd have thought the mass of the individual, how it's distributed and what people are wearing (material and colour) would mean it'd be quite easy to calculate a heat rise.  We already know that we as Ugly Giant Bags of Water have a specific heat - 90% water - from the Data shared in the documentary in the link.

A human being could be modelled as two spheres of different sizes (head and torso) with cylinders for legs and arms each with a different coefficient on heat transfer (coeffcient could include say, bare arms vs covered arms or different material - i.e. head hair on the smaller sphere). 

It should be easy then to calculate the a full on absorption rate if the person was wearing say, a really slinky black or white cat suit modelled of varying thickness and transmission.   Then surely it's just a matter of the net heat absorbed minus heat radiated.  Heat radiated might be say, the same amount of energy in that veggie pizza consumed over 1h - e.g. 1 kW.

As for the snow, it's going to reflect back most of the radiation so won't absorb so much radiated heat. The air temperature is probably more important than the sun in those cases.

BTW, I've never really understood why people in the Middle East dress in black. It'll absorb all the heat. They should wear white or a kind of lined tin foil blanket or jacket to reflect heat back.  In the colder nights, they could turn it inside out to reflect body heat back.  During  the day they could look really space age groovy traversing their soulless mega cities and less funky at night.

Oh, and yes, it's a slow day probably due to US 4th July holiday or as it's known in the UK, Traitors Day

fluffy2560 wrote:

A human being could be modelled ....
It should be easy then to calculate...

Seems easy. But try it. As so many have. Not easy to model accurately. Ideal models were thought easy for ectotherms (e.g. reptiles), but real animal bodies are more complicated than expected. One can "model" it, to some extend, but all the models have issues and can not explain everything. Endotherms (mammals like us for example), are even more complicated. Lots of things seem easy... till you try it (or better read the literature of those who tried it already).

fluffy2560 wrote:

BTW, I've never really understood why people in the Middle East dress in black. It'll absorb all the heat. They should wear white or a kind of lined tin foil blanket or jacket to reflect heat back.

You only are considering one part -- the color. Not how the cloth is worn. They actually did some studies on this.... the black color causes convective air currents between the loose fitting robe and the skin, which draws air around the body, which aids in cooling.

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

A human being could be modelled ....
It should be easy then to calculate...

Seems easy. But try it. As so many have. Not easy to model accurately. Ideal models were thought easy for ectotherms (e.g. reptiles), but real animal bodies are more complicated than expected. One can "model" it, to some extent, but all the models have issues and can not explain everything. Endotherms (mammals like us for example), are even more complicated. Lots of things seem easy... till you try it (or better read the literature of those who tried it already).

Hmmm...well, in the world of airco, it's not that complicated, as it's usually calculated on humidity reduction with a bit more for latent heat (i.e. people or machinery).   Then we say it's comfort airco. So maybe it's just a RealFeel based on comfort feeling rather than irradiation. Inconsistency in dismissing radiation sourced heat would be in say, the chill factor but possibly easier to calculate - wind evaporating a wet bulb and subsequent temperature drop.

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

BTW, I've never really understood why people in the Middle East dress in black. It'll absorb all the heat. They should wear white or a kind of lined tin foil blanket or jacket to reflect heat back.

You only are considering one part -- the coloUr. Not how the cloth is worn. They actually did some studies on this.... the black color causes convective air currents between the loose fitting robe and the skin, which draws air around the body, which aids in cooling.

Not sure about that as the cooling effect must be very weak and to work properly it should be only worn in a breeze.  Surely if that's the case, in that region one should really dress in tube like clothing then which would extend past their heads  to protect against noggin overheating and to allow for the air flow (i.e. Bernoulli pressure reduction to suck cooler air in at the bottom).   If there's not enough airflow/breeze, they can just walk faster (but not too fast in case the person gets sucked to the spot - not really).

Tubular cooling has some mileage - there's a tower in Dubai which is the traditional air cooling method, vis-a-vis:



My previous house had a chimney like that - always a draught from whichever wind direction.

Clearly this person is working on the idea but hasn't got the material or design right:

Just has one of those cloud unzipping downpours. 2 cm in 40 minutes.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Not sure about that as the cooling effect must be very weak and to work properly it should be only worn in a breeze.

Wind speed is an important factor. Which is why I said the convection by the skin "aids" in cooling due to loose fitting clothing (and being loose is the other major factor), not that the convection was the only cause of the cooling.

You can buy the article I read at Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/283373a0

klsallee wrote:

.....
You can buy the article I read at Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/283373a0

BUY?  Buy an article? From a magazine?  For cash? Real money?

I don't think so!  It won't be silly enough for me.

I'll just chew it over myself using Google, Reddit  and Quora

Cool week. Slight and minor rain today. Predictions are for warmer weather this weekend and next week.

We have had cool weather lately, but now we are back into the 30°C's. Had a couple of spots of rain today and it was a couple of spots.

klsallee wrote:

Cool week. Slight and minor rain today. Predictions are for warmer weather this weekend and next week.

That's good, gave myself a much needed pedicure which makes me sort of laugh... Our downstairs lady neighbor last week was checking out my husband and the cable guy . He had borrowed our old ladder to connect a wire since half the house had no cable, I did wonder why a pro working for the cable co. needed to borrow a ladder... whatever!
The women who seems to be in her late 50's told my husband all proud like that she couldn't do anything( no one even asked her) because her nails were drying, her manicurist had just left her flat. Wowie, home service even! I don't know who this women is but yesterday my husband pointed her out to me when we were leaving the building... No wonder she needed help, i doubt her 300 lbs would allow her to even reach her toes... Dang, people really make me laugh!

5am and are watering the garden. My grass is yellow!!

0845h here in Balaton, 31 C expected and very sunny.  Hoping to go cycling at 10h for 4 to 5h before it gets too hot this afternoon.  Then swimming, paddle boards and canoeing in the late afternoon when the wind drops.

Today's Route - (Balaton) B-foldvar'ish to Zantod, thence to Tihany, on to B-Fured to catch the ferry to Siofok or just come back directly on the car ferry and then back south towards B-Foldvar.  Not many hills!

fluffy2560 wrote:

0845h here in Balaton, 31 C expected and very sunny.  Hoping to go cycling at 10h for 4 to 5h before it gets too hot this afternoon.  Then swimming, paddle boards and canoeing in the late afternoon when the wind drops.

Today's Route - (Balaton) B-foldvar'ish to Zantod, thence to Tihany, on to B-Fured to catch the ferry to Siofok or just come back directly on the car ferry and then back south towards B-Foldvar.  Not many hills!

Sounds like a wonderful time, Sat. is really nice for swimming.

SimCityAT wrote:

5am and are watering the garden. My grass is yellow!!

Yes, there is a difference between local gardeners who are suffering from the current drought, and tourists who just want a warm, sunny day to spend at the lake.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

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Today's Route - (Balaton) B-foldvar'ish to Zantod, thence to Tihany, on to B-Fured to catch the ferry to Siofok or just come back directly on the car ferry and then back south towards B-Foldvar.  Not many hills!

Sounds like a wonderful time, Sat. is really nice for swimming.

It was absolutely hot - 36 C in places.  Stopped at the Fured spring for some health cure waters near the camping site. Quite refreshing but somewhat sulphurous smell so only small quantities.  Also went in the lake post-cycling - getting warmer in there!

On the Southern side near Siofok, there's a lot of construction work going on - new hotels and apartment buildings for seasonal occupation.  I also noticed a new thing of speedboats on the lake as well.  That's not good.  It'll put pressure on the lake and lake environment. Looks like it's bordering on over development.

Not good,I thought only the police and safety dept. could use power boats at Balaton, not good because it is one of the most pure lakes I've ever swam in, no need to destroy it.
Plan on going back next week a few times, only about 5 more weeks of summer left...
Noticed most of the US is under a heat wave,

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Not good,I thought only the police and safety dept. could use power boats at Balaton, not good because it is one of the most pure lakes I've ever swam in, no need to destroy it.
Plan on going back next week a few times, only about 5 more weeks of summer left...
Noticed most of the US is under a heat wave,

I saw a sort of multi-person speed boat whizzing on the lake with about 15 people in it.   It could have been an electric boat as it was pretty fast and surprisingly quiet.  But I also saw yachts with engines running and police with massive engines too.  There's been a regatta on the lake this weekend and exhibitors have been showing their wares including electric cars and electric boats.  Plenty of poseurs swanning about in their Porsche convertibles amongst the mortals on their bikes.   Mrs Fluffy says it's Fidesz people in the speedboats - no-one can touch them.

Weather is quite good and the water is heating up nicely.  Had to get out of the water about 1630-1700h when the lights were flashing  and the wind got up.  But definitely 2-3 C warmer than it was at the beginning of the week.

Was at the lake yesterday,my husband said they must be electric motors on these speed boats . Hope so.
The lake was wonderful, swam myself to death, so tired today, slept over 10 hours!