So many new marriages and so many divoces ?? Why

I think you're generalizing about that subset of the population who are looking for, or already with, older foreign men, primarily for financial stability. They may be poor,  or uneducated, or have kids already. Their opportunities are low.

In general,  the brighter, more capable and educated women with a high intellect are able to succeed on their own and are more likely to seek someone who shares their cultural values and experience. I mean, why wouldn't they? Not to say those women don't sometimes date foreigners, but the percentage is low.

And I would add that while high intellect certainly does provide more opportunities for stimulating conversation, and I miss it sometimes, it's not everything. I dated plenty of lawyers and executive women and got tired of the competition, constant demands and high pressure lifestyle.

There are plenty of attractive, hard working filipinas here with good values who just want a happy home, don't want to compete, and aren't demanding or critical. Fun to be with too.  But if shes 40 years younger and hot, well you have to wonder.

Agreed ,i am approached mostly by lower class with few exceptions, hard to have decent conversation  ..but many are sexy hehehehe. Not interested  in barbie doll just because she looks OK  .

Local women marry old, fat expat men because:

They're gold diggers

They want financial stability for a future family they can't easily get from a local man

They're prostitutes out to get every penny they can from the idiot westerner

They fall in love with the ideal, not the reality

They are actually in love and/or like the man enough to have babies with him

Old, fat (and commonly ugly) expat men marry locals because:

They fall in lust with the amazingly cute ladies and marry the first one they find, even if she's a nasty mispronounced area of sand next to the sea

They're too stupid to realise the woman is a pro/gold digger, or too desperate for sex to care

They're too old, fat, and ugly to get a woman in their own country to have sex with so they go to Asia where they're assured sex is easy and cheap, thus assuming local women are available at whatever price can be negotiated (yep, some stupid men think that way - seen the fools)

They're are sad and pathetic as they are greedy for sex and stupid, so they get married with the dream of marrying a woman who will obey their every command

They actually fall in love and want to live with the lady for the rest of their lives.

People conforming to the bottom line in each group getting together is likely to create a successful marriage, but any combination of the others is a mess waiting to happen.

Other than subtlety, have I missed anything out?

It is like you go on dating site with mostly Eastern European girls like ukrainian, bulgarian, russian or roumanian. Mostly they are from the poorer strata of the society with no real perspective. They are beautiful but with low education . The same for Asians...

moreto62 wrote:

Agreed ,i am approached mostly by lower class with few exceptions, hard to have decent conversation  ..but many are sexy hehehehe. Not interested  in barbie doll just because she looks OK  .

Family background is unimportant IF the lady you meet is good in heart, and you're the same.
My wife of 12 years came from a poorer family but never asks for much, isn't interested in gold and bling bling, but does ask for whatever is needed for our home and family.
If she asks for money for family needs she always gets far more than needed, usually with instructions to treat herself to whatever she wants, but she spends the extra on things for the kids.
I hope I'm a good enough man to treat her as she deserves.

Thank you Fred ,, you are at lest honest and opinionated ,, i like your analyzing the reality  very open ant frank

geolefrench wrote:

It is like you go on dating site with mostly Eastern European girls like ukrainian, bulgarian, russian or roumanian. Mostly they are from the poorer strata of the society with no real perspective. They are beautiful but with low education . The same for Asians...

Well i am from one of the country's you mentioned ,, disagree with you big time !!!!!  But you re entitled to have opinion...

Disagree on what ? One of my friends was looking for a wife from eastern europe and it was his experience, and experience of his colleagues... most of the girls were from rural area with not a lot of bakground in education. So they were trying to communicate it was very difficult. He fell in love with a beautiful Ukrainian and they got married. She went to live in France in his hometown but after 4 years of misunderstanding they divorced. Now he is on dating site with Asian mostly Filipinas, looking for the pearl :-)

...........no comment , but thank for the input

geolefrench wrote:

Disagree on what ? One of my friends was looking for a wife from eastern europe and it was his experience, and experience of his colleagues... most of the girls were from rural area with not a lot of bakground in education. So they were trying to communicate it was very difficult. He fell in love with a beautiful Ukrainian and they got married. She went to live in France in his hometown but after 4 years of misunderstanding they divorced. Now he is on dating site with Asian mostly Filipinas, looking for the pearl :-)

Making a mistake is understandable to a level, but hunting to make the same mistake again is pure stupidity.

Well, that's  his life ...

Thanks guys! After reading this BS i'm getting on a plane and heading to Belize! Can't find any level of Filipina who is honest or truthful! I'm sure there are plenty but not enough time to find! Nor should it be hard to find! See you in Belize!

Like I've said before Philippines is for short term relationships. Their entire society is filled to the brim with bad faith actors so you get a lot of duplicity or deceit from the women and people. Just enjoy and replace and it'll save you so much heartache.

The so called quality filipinas don't date foreigners and are high maintenance. The dating scene has deteriorated a bit but that's for another thread.

Nielsen Flute wrote:

Like I've said before Philippines is for short term relationships. Their entire society is filled to the brim with bad faith actors so you get a lot of duplicity or deceit from the women and people. Just enjoy and replace and it'll save you so much heartache.

The so called quality filipinas don't date foreigners and are high maintenance. The dating scene has deteriorated a bit but that's for another thread.

Hmm the circles I move in the Philippines are somewhat different to what you describe. I find the well adjusted and educated single Filipina has serious aspirations to marry a 'good man' and have a family. But as many Filipinas might have a bad report so do the foreigners and this is often the reason why they shy away from dating foreigners. Many of the habits foreigners display in public that would be over looked back home are in the Phils serious breaches of character for the Filipina.
Guys you have to court your lady, it might be old school but its the culture and its not a sprint. When in Rome do as the Romans, yes?  That doesn't mean you go around with your eyes shut and if your not a Roman some change has to occur.

I mostly agree with the comments above, however the reason most of us go there is to do with the cost of living and the fact that we will never find a beautiful woman in out home country to settle down with so I guess there has to be some sort of trade off. I do not mind supporting a partner and her kids if she has them but the whole extended family thing is way to much.
I do think there are genuine loving Filipino women out there who will love you back and who you can build a happy life with just like anywhere else in the world and I am not sure classing poor women from rural areas has bad catches is always true. I was married to a Ukranian woman from a poor background for 17 years and have a beautiful daughter from her. We are now divorced but when she moved to England she enrolled on several courses, learned the language very quickly and found employment. She is now a primary school teacher doing very well although we are now divorced and we met in person rather than on a dating site.
Her family were brilliant to me, never asked for money when we went over there to see them and cooked great food and we all drank lots of vodka.

Hello Fred,

You are absolutely right on your comments about old, fat, bald, ugly, losers which everyone is afraid to say the truth about as you do because they are politically correct or they are old, fat, bald, ugly, losers.

They can't get into a normal relationship in their own country so they come to the Philippines looking for love, sex & an obedient woman (sex slave). They feel they can buy their way being white and picking on some poor, uneducated woman.

This is why these men get ripped off and taken advantage of because some women are smarter than they are and looking for these type of fools. These fools are looking for women to pray on and end up getting played themselves. These Expats or soon to be Expats will never learn by experience of others and will get burned, sometimes over & over.

Spence

LasVegan,

Me being from Henderson NV and living there for 13 years  and now living in the Philippines, it's easy to meet and find a woman in Vegas. Before you move anywhere find your women and take her with you, your success rate will be much higher for a happy life.

I had a friend that brought his own hooker with him when he vacationed in Vegas, way cheaper than the local available hooker.

I don't know what the issues with others in their relationships with their Philippino wives.  I was hesitant with my current wife because there is a 21 year age gap and I worried that she might be marrying me for money as well as a few other concerns.  We still have only been married for a short time but but we do have a 22 month old son and I consider myself a dad of her first daugher that just turned 3 in January.  I can say that I am very happy with the decision that I made.  I have been married 2 other times and the last one I knew it wasn't right from close to the start.  Yes, my wife is often asking for money but it all is for the family and not for herself and understands if we are unable to provide it cause she is very close to her family.  I am sure this is the same as with other Philippino wives.  She is smart and we seem to like doing many similar activities.  My wife is in contact with several other Philippino friends that are also married to Americans and live here.  They as well seem to have good marriages.  One of which has been together with her partner for close to 18 years.

I am now 60 ...  been in a relationship with my filipina partner (40) for about 3 years but I do still spend a lot of time working in NZ..

She does not ask for money but as she is my partner I cover many of our costs, rent car etc .. the basic things we need as a couple..things I needed also and determined appropriate or beneficial to us both ... (was more economical for me to rent a home than pay for motel 4 times a year).

Same as I did for many years for my previous white ex wife (who tried very hard to separate me from my hard earned assets and cash)... as part of what the man brings to a relationship.

Prior to turning my attentions to overseas...I had turned down several attractive women in my city including 2 very wealthy ones along with several plain ("nice") ones, due to not wishing to be tied into a relationship with a demanding, overly opinionated, self absorbed, self entitled hi maintenance caucasian woman heading rapidly to being overweight and for some obscure reason thinking they will be more attractive when they cut off their hair to look like a guy..... let's not forget that they are usually drawn to a guy they can manipulate and extract their requirements from. ..societal conditioning?

For me its not that I cant get sex ... could have had as much as I wanted .. yes even at 56 as I was then... and yes some where more than 20 years younger... I chose not to be involved with them... simple

My white uncle ...married a filipina 30 years ago 20 years his junior .. still together still happy no dramas.... they love and respect eachother

My partner is 20 years younger than I.. she was doing ok before I came along is well liked and educated to senior college level... didnt need me.

I consider myself to be a lucky man having found such a sweetheart who looks after me very well as I try to for her.

I know there are some horror stories but is same in every country.

Is true some are scammers .. also in every country... 

I was not looking for a "girl" was looking for a warm place to retire in a few years. ... bonus finding such a wonderful woman.

My experience to date is very positive.

There will always be people both male and female who manipulate others for personal gain

It's not always because they are "old fat bald ugly westerners" or foriegn guys just looking for sex ... many of the guys I know here are very genuine extremely caring and like me, are not fat/overweight, not yet bald, (tho I am thining) and still to the delight of my partner get called gwapo.

My few peso worth ... just saying... hope it helps balance.

Cheers

I do believe there is a lot good information shared. If I might for a moment add a slightly different perspective. Just for moment!

I have been Married to my filipina wife for 30 years. We are 6 years apart. I am older. We are extremely happily married. So just know there all us and many like us that are happily married to filipina.

This is positive side of why many fail. We married for right reasons, love and respect. I took time to know my wife. And found that her parents put a lot Christian values in her. We communicate well. I explain before marriage where her family would be in our priorities. And she agreeded. I understood the culture of filipino having been in and out country for many years. Basically we started out on fight foot and followed that path.

By way her family was slightly above the poor class but my wife worked hard at job before I meet here aboard base in Subic Bay.

So take heart that while there maybe many that fail there could be also many that exceeded that you are not aware of.

All these old fools, singing their praise of their marriage of two years bla bla bla, Pussy has warped their brain. Repost when your married 10 years, hell two years you're still in Lala land. When the money runs out, we will be here to read your sob tale. 

An interesting thing about Philippine woman, they look like sexy young girls, almost jail bait. Then at a certain age they look like old women, older than their real age.

When you date that girl of your dreams always wear protection and don't eat the fish, your health and money will last longer.

Glad to hear there are many happy story's . We all know our reasons why look to Asia to find good partner . Any one have experience with Chinese woman too ??? lately i receive a lot of interest from 40-52 years old Chines, some never married , some have kids , some rich and educated but 98% of them really good looking . English is a problem

Wayne 07 wrote:

I do believe there is a lot good information shared. If I might for a moment add a slightly different perspective. Just for moment!

I have been Married to my filipina wife for 30 years. We are 6 years apart. I am older. We are extremely happily married. So just know there all us and many like us that are happily married to filipina.

This is positive side of why many fail. We married for right reasons, love and respect. I took time to know my wife. And found that her parents put a lot Christian values in her. We communicate well. I explain before marriage where her family would be in our priorities. And she agreeded. I understood the culture of filipino having been in and out country for many years. Basically we started out on right foot and followed that path.

By way her family was slightly above the poor class but my wife worked hard at job before I meet her aboard base in Subic Bay.

So take heart that while there maybe many that fail there could be also many that exceeded that you are not aware of.

@w9xr 20 years and still in love !

W9xr ... when the money runs out they may walk away but they dont generally take half your stuff with them (unless you have been a fool and not learned from how most caucasian women work .. ) after caucasian woman have half of your hard earned nest egg, their lawyer (who used to be yours)  then hits  you for support.... who does that ?.... oh yeah Caucaisian woman... (USA UK Au NZ to mention a few) This can happen in the first 2 years trust me on that

Hello Geolefrench

Well you and I didn't find our wife on a dating site. I met my wife in Las Vegas, we were both working. We dated for almost one year before getting married, so our relationship was not sight unseen. Our ages are closer than those old farts looking for a younger woman. We have been married 11 years in the states before we moved to Pasig City.

When you have ages close together you have a better chance of mutual interests, especially if you have a dating period getting to know each other. Still marriages with these good factors end up 50% in divorce. So what's the probabilities with the crap shoot of a happy marriage meeting a stranger on a dating site?

Mutual interests? hardly. You know what the man wants and I know what those woman want. So many of these old, fat, balding fools  are going to get what they deserve not what they want.

I use to be in a position of hiring for our firm, when I was inexperienced at this I ended up hiring the biggest liar with the best personality. Those early hires were failures. When I was more experienced I learned to avoid these pitfalls. So on a dating site what's the probability of being sucked in by he biggest liar most glib personality. Why should any of these people be truthful, if they were nobody would be interested. So future Expats if you have money in your wallet and a pension, 401K or SS you are going to be a prime target.

Don't believe me, check out Youtube, Walking Street, Angeles City. Check out these old, fat, ugly white bald men with more money than brains. Soon their money will be gone but they still will be old, fat, ugly "BROKE"  white men.

Well Brian,

When you build or buy that nice house in the Philippines and your marriage busts up there goes your house since Expats can not own the property. Now what you mentioned is true but it could be visa/versa. Ever hear of a prenuptial, also any assets a person has before marriage cannot be attached in a divorce in the states. You can't have "whine" with your cheese.

"Old, fat, ugly (and potentially broke)" Any or all of the fore mentioned creep up on us all, your turn is obviously coming.
A little humility goes a long way no matter the country or doctrines, the same garbage happens day in and day out all over the world.

Cheers, Steve.

Big Pearl,
Old, fat, ugly but not broke yet, my time is obviously here now.  Is that humility or humiliated, you can't have both unless your a Saint.

been married 30+ years and its all fine

I agree with Fred. My lady has a good heart.  We have been together 4 years, which is longer than any relationship I have had in the United States. We are married, have a beautiful daughter and if I am half the man my wife and daughter think I am, then life is good.

Wow.  Levels of Intelligence and exposure to different ideas and experiences are very different things.
To say one is not intelligent because you have little in common for discussion calls into question your own intelligence.
The human condition is universal and with a modicum of effort one can always find insights to share.
Your rather rash and negitive judgement on an entire people, is, by its self, a very unintelligent action.
If you hadn't noticed, in the Philippines money is not just a status symbol or gage to evaluate ones success, but a matter of life and death. The means by which some have found a way to servive is strong evidence of cognitive ability. Perhaps you should remain where you are with those other mental giants in your hood. Ha!

I see that many Eastern Europeans are very judgemental towards the Filipinos on this forum. Probably because they have been exposed to communism for so long and not so much to the world at large :-)

I will also point out two major factors for the common experiences you may find here in the Philippines.
First, it is a highly religious country. Catholicism being imposed here for over three hundred years has had an impact.
The women are conditioned to male domanance as most christian faiths.
Secondly, there is no divorce only annulment ( hard and expensive to secure) leading to a major conflict of those traditional moral values found in Christianity.
If the marriage is no longer valued by both parties, but keeps them from their natural freedoms, it becomes a trap that serves to create a culture of deceit on both males and females.

And in my experience a Filipina is, by their cultural values, one of the most carring and thoughtful persons you are likely to ever meet.
They are natural nurtures and when trained, are welcomed around the world in nursing, as domestic care givers and childcare providers.
You may say that's low level work, but could you do what they easily excell at?

geolefrench wrote:

I see that many Eastern Europeans are very judgemental towards the Filipinos on this forum. Probably because they have been exposed to communism for so long and not so much to the world at large :-)

why do you say that , any examples  ??
or it is you who is judgemental towards half continent ?
or you are just from the BETTER part of civilization  ????
probably because YOU HAVE NOT  been exposed to communism...next time you generalize like this i will make sure to mention your moDer

Hello;

As with any human endeavor statements are never true in all cases.  There are exceptions to every generalization.  The ideals that a culture embraces produce only produce individuals that approximate the ideals as best as their personalities and backgrounds permit.  For those who have chosen the Philippines for the cultural ideals of what a wife should be it is then for us to exercise care in finding such a wonderful lady.  Those of us thinking with our brains and exercising patience have been for the most part rewarded far more handsomely than deserved.

Those who pursue pleasure, and fulfilling with their selfish ego and macho self image with their little boy toys are rewarded also, but usually not in a way they hoped.

For those that truely are selfless, respectful and kind, remember patience, patience, patience.  As anywhere in this world there are those that will take great advantage of you.

@moreto62 , I just observe this forum in English  and it seems like that... you can denounce me to the moderation like it was a rule in communist countries : denounce the ennemy of the party :-) some habits are hard to erase :-)

You do good job to denounce your self with **** . Thanks God not to many haters like you in this forum .

moreto62 wrote:

You do good job to denounce your self with you big mouth full of cht . Thanks God not to many haters like you in this forum .

And why does a Bulgarian in Brazil take the time to question behaviors in the Philippines?  Have you ever been to the Philippines?  How many Filipinos and Filipinas do you know?