what to do? covid19 policies make no sense. not sure what to do.

exstam1 wrote:

i have a one year multi entry visa since  i am from the usa. I have been living in vn for 3 months now and i have to do a visa run and i am scared to do it because i am not sure they will let me back in since i am from usa and cases are rising there. but it makes no sense because i left to usa before the outbreak happened. i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies and right now they are saying if i cross the boarder for my visa run i will have to have a 14 day quaraintine. where? in a facility? my apt in hcmc? They are now denying entry into vn if you are from certain countries, but it should be only if you have been there recently.

they should just extend visas for us instead of making us cross the boarder. i have an apt here and a lease and all my stuff is here. i don't know what i would do in cambodia if i couldn't get back in vietnam.

what would happen if i didn't leave the country as i am supposed to do? will they make concessions during this pandemic. it makes no sense to go back to america since i have sublet my apt and i have no where to live. I could rent an apt but that would be risky right now if even allowed and then how would i know the building doesn't share pipes? the virus travels through pipes....plus i wouldn't be able to get supplies in the usa since everything is sold out. it makes more sense to stay put, i think....

anyone else worried or wondering what to do?

It is a confusing mess at the moment with lots of contradictory information and posts on here. I have a UK passport with a 5yr VEC and due for my normal Moc Bai run as required every 180 days. Have talked with a contact in immigration and another local district officer and both have told me different things. I am certainly not going to risk a border run at present but how to resolve the visa issue seems to depend on who you talk too. I will let you know if I get any firm news that can be relied on.

exstam1 wrote:

i have a one year multi entry visa since  i am from the usa. I have been living in vn for 3 months now and i have to do a visa run and i am scared to do it because i am not sure they will let me back in since i am from usa and cases are rising there. but it makes no sense because i left to usa before the outbreak happened. i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies and right now they are saying if i cross the boarder for my visa run i will have to have a 14 day quaraintine. where? in a facility? my apt in hcmc? They are now denying entry into vn if you are from certain countries, but it should be only if you have been there recently.

they should just extend visas for us instead of making us cross the boarder. i have an apt here and a lease and all my stuff is here. i don't know what i would do in cambodia if i couldn't get back in vietnam.

what would happen if i didn't leave the country as i am supposed to do? will they make concessions during this pandemic. it makes no sense to go back to america since i have sublet my apt and i have no where to live. I could rent an apt but that would be risky right now if even allowed and then how would i know the building doesn't share pipes? the virus travels through pipes....plus i wouldn't be able to get supplies in the usa since everything is sold out. it makes more sense to stay put, i think....

anyone else worried or wondering what to do?

From what I have read so far, it seems that the biggest risk is being put in quarantine.

From the sources I've been able to find, including the messages that are sent to me through the Zalo app, almost everyone gets quarantined when they enter the country now.

The difference is that it seems Vietnamese citizens are often given the option of a self quarantine at home.

If they do have to go somewhere else, such as a quarantine Center, it doesn't cost them anything.

On the other hand, it sounds as if foreigners might not be getting the option to isolate at home.

I don't know that for a fact.

I just been reading between the lines.

However I do know this for certain: if a foreigner is isolated by the government in a government facility, The Foreigner will have to pay the price of the quarantine facilities (and food, I suppose).

That last statement about quarantine is not true. Taken from the UK government website "The Vietnamese government have confirmed that it will cover all quarantine costs, but foreign nationals will be personally responsible for paying for any coronavirus hospital treatment costs."

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/vietnam/health

Yes, I am in the exact predicament having apt in Vung Tau on multi entry 3 month visa and was due to fly to Sydney on Sunday 15 when AU Priminister introduced 14 day self isolation and as today level 4 travel bạn for Australia.

I cancelled flights, accommodation and car rental waiting refund currently uncertain but anticipating no return permitted into VN although visa still current.
Will re-assess within next 2 weeks waiting for both VN and AU governments to settle

If you paid flights with a card - contact visa or MasterCard doesn't matter which (credit or debit) state case and ask for visa or MasterCard chargeback

Process is completely genuine and usually takes around 24 hours. The card issue will persue the vendor for the costs.

As for visa issues... If you have Vietnamese friends would take them along to the nearest authority to see how to go about extending visa stay.

Most agents now will be cashing in and raising their fees so like I said with a Vietnamese friend would try to complete the process yourself.

Ipalon wrote:

That last statement about quarantine is not true. Taken from the UK government website "The Vietnamese government have confirmed that it will cover all quarantine costs, but foreign nationals will be personally responsible for paying for any coronavirus hospital treatment costs."

Test and quarantine are free to all. Foreigners are to pay for hospital treatments.

Ciambella wrote:

Ipalon wrote:

That last statement about quarantine is not true. Taken from the UK government website "The Vietnamese government have confirmed that it will cover all quarantine costs, but foreign nationals will be personally responsible for paying for any coronavirus hospital treatment costs."

Test and quarantine are free to all. Foreigners are to pay for hospital treatments.

Sorry. That's incorrect. According to the official notices I've been receiving, one specifically said that foreigners will pay the cost for their quarantine if the government has to provide it. In other words if they allow a foreigner to self quarantine in their own residence there is no charge. However the notice I saw specifically said that the cost for a quarantine imposed by the government at a government facility is free to Vietnamese citizens, while foreigners will have to pay for it. They didn't specify what that meant

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

The difference is that it seems Vietnamese citizens are often given the option of a self quarantine at home.

If they do have to go somewhere else, such as a quarantine Center, it doesn't cost them anything.

On the other hand, it sounds as if foreigners might not be getting the option to isolate at home.

I don't know that for a fact.

I just been reading between the lines.

However I do know this for certain: if a foreigner is isolated by the government in a government facility, The Foreigner will have to pay the price of the quarantine facilities (and food, I suppose).

Here's how it works:

Covid-19 cases are called F0.  Those who have close or direct contact with F0 are called F1.  Those who have close contact with F1 are F2.   The circle becomes larger (and more removed) with F3, F4 and F5.

The risk of infection for F0, F1, and F2 is considered the same so those people need to report to the nearest health facility for isolation.  However, *some* F2 and F3 can be isolated at home under supervision.  The local health officials will come to their residences to:

1- monitor their health status 2x/day. 
2- ensure that the self-isolated people stay put (one man attempted to sneak out to attend a wedding 1600 km away).

Foreigners and locals alike are subjected to the same guidelines as above.

Vietnamese citizens do not have to pay for anything.  As for now, foreigners do not have to pay for test and quarantine, but do have to pay for hospital treatment.

Deleted. Duplicate post.

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

exstam1 wrote:

i have a one year multi entry visa since  i am from the usa. I have been living in vn for 3 months now and i have to do a visa run and i am scared to do it because i am not sure they will let me back in since i am from usa and cases are rising there. but it makes no sense because i left to usa before the outbreak happened. i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies and right now they are saying if i cross the boarder for my visa run i will have to have a 14 day quaraintine. where? in a facility? my apt in hcmc? They are now denying entry into vn if you are from certain countries, but it should be only if you have been there recently.

they should just extend visas for us instead of making us cross the boarder. i have an apt here and a lease and all my stuff is here. i don't know what i would do in cambodia if i couldn't get back in vietnam.

what would happen if i didn't leave the country as i am supposed to do? will they make concessions during this pandemic. it makes no sense to go back to america since i have sublet my apt and i have no where to live. I could rent an apt but that would be risky right now if even allowed and then how would i know the building doesn't share pipes? the virus travels through pipes....plus i wouldn't be able to get supplies in the usa since everything is sold out. it makes more sense to stay put, i think....

anyone else worried or wondering what to do?

From what I have read so far, it seems that the biggest risk is being put in quarantine.

From the sources I've been able to find, including the messages that are sent to me through the Zalo app, almost everyone gets quarantined when they enter the country now.

The difference is that it seems Vietnamese citizens are often given the option of a self quarantine at home.

If they do have to go somewhere else, such as a quarantine Center, it doesn't cost them anything.

On the other hand, it sounds as if foreigners might not be getting the option to isolate at home.

I don't know that for a fact.

I just been reading between the lines.

However I do know this for certain: if a foreigner is isolated by the government in a government facility, The Foreigner will have to pay the price of the quarantine facilities (and food, I suppose).

If you are going to post on this subject & make out that everything you post is accurate, try to get it right for a change you are just adding to the worry & confusion for many people! This post of yours should be reported to the moderator for removal!

Ciambella wrote:

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

Ciambella wrote:

Test and quarantine are free to all. Foreigners are to pay for hospital treatments.

Sorry. That's incorrect. According to the official notices I've been receiving, one specifically said that foreigners will pay the cost for their quarantine if the government has to provide it. In other words if they allow a foreigner to self quarantine in their own residence there is no charge. However the notice I saw specifically said that the cost for a quarantine imposed by the government at a government facility is free to Vietnamese citizens, while foreigners will have to pay for it. They didn't specify what that meant

"Thủ tướng Nguyễn Xuân Phúc nhấn mạnh dù nhà nước còn khó khăn nhưng chưa thu phí điều trị đối với những trường hợp nhiễm bệnh Covid-19. Còn đối với người nước ngoài, nếu mắc bệnh thì phải trả phí điều trị, không phải trả chi phí cách ly và xét nghiệm."

Translation:

"Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc emphasised that although the state is still in financial difficulty, there is no charge for treatment of Covid-19 cases. As for foreigners, if they get sick, they have to pay for treatment, not for isolation and testing expenses. "

(From his speech on March 13 during the Government's Standing Session on measures to prevent and combat Covid-19 at the Government HQ)

You can read it here.  However, the headline doesn't say it all, so you'll need to read the entire article.  Many other government-run newspapers reported the same thing.

Thanks for that. I'll see if I can find the quote to which I'm referring. I believe it was a quote of something said by one of the inspecting authorities who was actually going through an area where treatment what's happening and the local Foreigner population was being mentioned in cautionary terms

Hello everyone,

Please stay focus on the Original Poster questions.

Thank you. 

ok, well, regardless of who pays, i don't want to end up in this situation:

British tourist, 68, tells of coronavirus quarantine hell in 'prison like' Vietnam hotel where 27 people are forced to share one toilet with no hot water to shower or wash hands


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … hotel.html

exstam1 wrote:

ok, well, regardless of who pays, i don't want to end up in this situation:

British tourist, 68, tells of coronavirus quarantine hell in 'prison like' Vietnam hotel where 27 people are forced to share one toilet with no hot water to shower or wash hands


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … hotel.html

I have a tendency to think that this article is just plain old shock journalism. Do you really trust the Daily Mail to give the complete truth.

Saw the same thing about 5 years ago when there was an article in the same paper(toilet paper) and the whole story was made up. The story was about an English guy who lost his leg, the patients sister said that the hospital had no roof and leaves were falling in on her brother. It was all about gaining monetary support for the patient.

Ciambella wrote:

Test and quarantine are free to all. Foreigners are to pay for hospital treatments.

"Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc emphasised that although the state is still in financial difficulty, there is no charge for treatment of Covid-19 cases. As for foreigners, if get sick, they have to pay for treatment, not for isolation and testing expenses. "

UPDATES: March 22, 2020

The Government will begin to charge ALL returning Overseas Vietnamese (holders of Vietnamese passport) for isolation expenses.  Up until now, Vietnamese nationals, no matter where their residence is located, receive everything COVID-related free of charge -- accommodation, food, and treatment.  That, and the internationally acknowledgement of the way VN handle the epidemic, have been the push for almost 100,000 Overseas Vietnamese requesting to return home.

The huge number of freeloaders (most of them have much higher income than middle class Vietnamese in country) would overwhelm isolation centres and drain the coffers so passing the charge to the incoming is one way to discourage them.   

As of today, the exact charge is still in debate, but my source said it'll probably be 300k or 350k/day at the minium.  The number will change if hospital treatment is involved,

The change for expats will happen soon after this change for returning Overseas Vietnamese goes into effect.

colinoscapee wrote:

exstam1 wrote:

ok, well, regardless of who pays, i don't want to end up in this situation:

British tourist, 68, tells of coronavirus quarantine hell in 'prison like' Vietnam hotel where 27 people are forced to share one toilet with no hot water to shower or wash hands


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … hotel.html

I have a tendency to think that this article is just plain old shock journalism. Do you really trust the Daily Mail to give the complete truth...

ALL of the coronavirus news coverage is shock journalism. It's B**S**T sensationalism with an obvious political agenda. This "deadly virus" is fatal to only a tiny percentage of people, much smaller than the 2.4 percent they claim because that figure is based only on people who've tested positive, and there are many times that number of people who have the virus but have never been tested and have no symptoms. If you add their numbers in, the percentage drops below 1%.

Further, the overwhelming majority of deaths attributed to the virus are among old people with pre-existing conditions and weak immunity. Hundreds of thousands of people die of flu every year, why aren't borders closed because of the flu?

Furthermore, WHO allows "presumptive" diagnoses without testing. So many people with flu or pneumonia are marked as Covid19 victims instead of victims of air pollution and their own weak immunity.

And still furthermore, the "test" has never been tested for accuracy. Many of its positives are probably false.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

exstam1 wrote:

I have been living in vn for 3 months now...

i have an apt here and a lease and all my stuff is here...

it makes no sense to go back to america since i ave sublet my apt and i have no where to live.

Being devil's advocate to address a point not being discussed:

The Government of Vietnam is not going to be sympathetic when foreigners on TOURIST and BUSINESS visas AND VECs proclaim we have nowhere to go.

None of these immigration permissions recognize any type of RESIDENCE on our part in the eyes of the government.

We even know through discussions in another thread that the government will soon be requiring individuals on tourist visas to do a border run every month regardless of the length of their visa.

So whether our current status forces us to do a border run every month or every 3 months or every 6 months or every year, the government here assume that we have somewhere to go.

What we see as a conundrum the government sees as an opportunity for us to return to our home in our home nation.

Yeah that sucks for a lot of people.

I'm not being a cheerleader.

I'm just saying that any attempt to get their sympathy on this point is probably wasted energy.

Ciambella wrote:

The huge number of freeloaders (most of them have much higher income than middle class Vietnamese in country) would overwhelm isolation centres and drain the coffers so passing the charge to the incoming is one way to discourage them.   

As of today, the exact charge is still in debate, but my source said it'll probably be 300k or 350k/day at the minium.  The number will change if hospital treatment is involved,

I agree with the decision but do they really think an extra 4,000,000 for quarantine will make someone change their mind after they made a decision to uproot and move back and pay whatever costs for travel to get here?

hyagly256 wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

exstam1 wrote:

ok, well, regardless of who pays, i don't want to end up in this situation:

British tourist, 68, tells of coronavirus quarantine hell in 'prison like' Vietnam hotel where 27 people are forced to share one toilet with no hot water to shower or wash hands


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … hotel.html

I have a tendency to think that this article is just plain old shock journalism. Do you really trust the Daily Mail to give the complete truth...

ALL of the coronavirus news coverage is shock journalism. It's B**S**T sensationalism with an obvious political agenda. This "deadly virus" is fatal to only a tiny percentage of people, much smaller than the 2.4 percent they claim because that figure is based only on people who've tested positive, and there are many times that number of people who have the virus but have never been tested and have no symptoms. If you add their numbers in, the percentage drops below 1%.

Further, the overwhelming majority of deaths attributed to the virus are among old people with pre-existing conditions and weak immunity. Hundreds of thousands of people die of flu every year, why aren't borders closed because of the flu?

Furthermore, WHO allows "presumptive" diagnoses without testing. So many people with flu or pneumonia are marked as Covid19 victims instead of victims of air pollution and their own weak immunity.

And still furthermore, the "test" has never been tested for accuracy. Many of its positives are probably false.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

I highly doubt a significant number of false positives happened to coincide with cases of pneumonia.  So if thirteen thousand at 1% is correct, a majority of those 1.3 million people who have been infected are still untested and possibly delivering my mothers groceries.  Unfortunately the 8% death rate for those my mothers age still might not shift much after counting in all those asymptomatic people.  Remember, those figures vary by country and I don't think you'd be making the same complaints if you lived in Italy.

A Shock Journalism Bullshit story from the Daily Mail should not be confused with the average news media doing what the average news media does (make money off sensationalism that keeps people watching through the ad breaks).

SteinNebraska wrote:

I agree with the decision but do they really think an extra 4,000,000 for quarantine will make someone change their mind after they made a decision to uproot and move back and pay whatever costs for travel to get here?

Those particular Overseas Vietnamese are not uprooting.  They're not moving back.  Their return is only what I call a "virus run".  Afterwards, back to the host countries they'll go.   Many of them voiced that intention publically as soon as they arrived in Tan Son Nhat.  Videos of Overseas Vietnamese women from Poland and Czech cursing the entire nation -- its government and people -- while waiting to be helped by said government and said people, and the enraged reactions from in-country Vietnamese have been a very hot topic on the Internet for weeks now.

If you multiply 4M by 80k (the estimated number of requests), that's 336 billions to spend on a huge group of people who would surely run back to better pasture without a backward glance.  And if any of those people test positive and have to be hospitalised, the expense would be a whole lot bigger.  The government hopes that the bigger expense would serve as a deterrent.

Maybe all the idle cruise ships can adopt a new business model and start catering to ex-pat vagabonds and wastrels. Either as boats "home" or floating resorts in International waters while we wait to be able to renew our visas.

Resupply hereabouts easy enough, VN isn't short of supplies and has an actual economy not based on voodoo digit shuffling

Ciambella wrote:

Those particular Overseas Vietnamese are not uprooting.  They're not moving back.  Their return is only what I call a "virus run".  Afterwards, back to the host countries they'll go.

It seems to me that they have flawed reasoning.  First they are assuming that they will not be exposed to the virus in Vietnam.  That may be true today but who know about 2-3 weeks from now.  Second, if they come from a European country with some kind of universal medical care, they likely can be treated for free at home.  While medical care in Vietnam may be less expensive than many countries, it is certainly not free as most expats will attest.  I think they seems to be acting on false assumptions.

THIGV wrote:

It seems to me that they have flawed reasoning.  First they are assuming that they will not be exposed to the virus in Vietnam.  That may be true today but who know about 2-3 weeks from now.  Second, if they come from a European country with some kind of universal medical care, they likely can be treated for free at home.  While medical care in Vietnam may be less expensive than many countries, it is certainly not free as most expats will attest.  I think they seems to be acting on false assumptions.

I agree with you regarding the assumption that VN will continue to be on top of the game.  However, if I were in those people's shoes, I *probably* would've done the same thing as they did:  taking a trip to any country where the government seems to have a better handle on the situation.  I would never behave badly as they did though.  Biting the hand that feeds one (while drawing attention to oneself) is not acceptable in any culture.

As far as medical care caused by the virus, it's 100% free to all Vietnamese, and as those Overseas Vietnamese are still Vietnamese citizens, they've received the same free treatment.  The new regulations (with other conditions aside from finance) would apply to future groups but not to them.

Ciambella wrote:

As far as medical care caused by the virus, it's 100% free to all Vietnamese, and as those Overseas Vietnamese are still Vietnamese citizens, they've received the same free treatment.

I thought citizenship depended a lot on when and how one left.  I do know there is a process for overseas Vietnamese to reclaim citizenship but it takes some documentation and I don't imagine it is instant.  From what I heard it was usually exercised to allow purchasing of property but times and motives may differ now.

Ciambella wrote:

SteinNebraska wrote:

I agree with the decision but do they really think an extra 4,000,000 for quarantine will make someone change their mind after they made a decision to uproot and move back and pay whatever costs for travel to get here?

Those particular Overseas Vietnamese are not uprooting.  They're not moving back.  Their return is only what I call a "virus run".  Afterwards, back to the host countries they'll go.   Many of them voiced that intention publically as soon as they arrived in Tan Son Nhat.  Videos of Overseas Vietnamese women from Poland and Czech cursing the entire nation -- its government and people -- while waiting to be helped by said government and said people, and the enraged reactions from in-country Vietnamese have been a very hot topic on the Internet for weeks now.

If you multiply 4M by 80k (the estimated number of requests), that's 336 billions to spend on a huge group of people who would surely run back to better pasture without a backward glance.  And if any of those people test positive and have to be hospitalised, the expense would be a whole lot bigger.  The government hopes that the bigger expense would serve as a deterrent.

Any links to these would be much appreciated. I saw one of a Vietnamese lady being outrageously attacked in poland by children.

I realize that with targeted internet advertising we all see different ads but I often see ads for dual citizenship.  Before it was Malta, then Ukraine, and right now this page has for me an ad about obtaining an Italian passport.  Talk about running directly into the flames.

THIGV wrote:

I thought citizenship depended a lot on when and how one left.  I do know there is a process for overseas Vietnamese to reclaim citizenship but it takes some documentation and I don't imagine it is instant.  From what I heard it was usually exercised to allow purchasing of property but times and motives may differ now.

They’re Vietnamese nationals who live and work in other countries. Some hold dual citizenship acquired through marriage, investments, or length of time living in host country.  All maintain Vietnamese citizenship. Most, if not all, are from the North.  It’s a common knowledge that many Northerners have another citizenship, mostly UK, France, or Czech.

While the media call everyone who left VN after 1975 by the general term Overseas Vietnamese or the misnomer Việt Kiều, when the government here write “người Việt sống ở nước ngoài” or Việt Kiều ("kiều" means temporary resident), they mean Vietnamese who live in other countries due to work, school, or marriage. For people like me, we’re “người ngoại quốc gốc Việt” (foreigners of Vietnamese heritage) in the eyes of the law.

Got it.  Thanks.

phikachu wrote:

Any links to these would be much appreciated. I saw one of a Vietnamese lady being outrageously attacked in poland by children.

If you ask for a link on the future isolation charge, I don't have it.  My information came from the people who are involved in the plan. 

If you ask for a link on the recent bad behaviours at Tân Sơn Nhất and Nội Bài Airports from the Overseas Vietnamese and the angry reaction from the locals, there are literally hundreds of them.  Here are two:

Việt kiều from Poland at Nội Bài
Việt kiều from Taipei at TSN

Brick23 wrote:

Maybe all the idle cruise ships can adopt a new business model and start catering to ex-pat vagabonds and wastrels. Either as boats "home" or floating resorts in International waters while we wait to be able to renew our visas.

Cruise ships i.e. floating petri dishes, are not a place to be during a global viral pandemic.

cruisemonkey wrote:

Brick23 wrote:

Maybe all the idle cruise ships can adopt a new business model and start catering to ex-pat vagabonds and wastrels. Either as boats "home" or floating resorts in International waters while we wait to be able to renew our visas.

Cruise ships i.e. floating petri dishes, are not a place to be during a global viral pandemic.

Floating Petri dish ..   Classic .

exstam1 wrote:

i have a one year multi entry visa since  i am from the usa. I have been living in vn for 3 months now and i have to do a visa run and i am scared to do it because i am not sure they will let me back in since i am from usa and cases are rising there. but it makes no sense because i left to usa before the outbreak happened. i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies and right now they are saying if i cross the boarder for my visa run i will have to have a 14 day quaraintine. where? in a facility? my apt in hcmc? They are now denying entry into vn if you are from certain countries, but it should be only if you have been there recently.

they should just extend visas for us instead of making us cross the boarder. i have an apt here and a lease and all my stuff is here. i don't know what i would do in cambodia if i couldn't get back in vietnam.

what would happen if i didn't leave the country as i am supposed to do? will they make concessions during this pandemic. it makes no sense to go back to america since i have sublet my apt and i have no where to live. I could rent an apt but that would be risky right now if even allowed and then how would i know the building doesn't share pipes? the virus travels through pipes....plus i wouldn't be able to get supplies in the usa since everything is sold out. it makes more sense to stay put, i think....

anyone else worried or wondering what to do?

You said " i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies " : I don't understand why you have been isolated in Vietnam ? I have entered Vietnam the 14th of February from Thailand and I have never been isolated. I have filled the medical report online and it is easy to check my passport.

Laurent futur Nha Trang wrote:

exstam1 wrote:

i have a one year multi entry visa since  i am from the usa. I have been living in vn for 3 months now and i have to do a visa run and i am scared to do it because i am not sure they will let me back in since i am from usa and cases are rising there. but it makes no sense because i left to usa before the outbreak happened. i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies and right now they are saying if i cross the boarder for my visa run i will have to have a 14 day quaraintine. where? in a facility? my apt in hcmc? They are now denying entry into vn if you are from certain countries, but it should be only if you have been there recently.

they should just extend visas for us instead of making us cross the boarder. i have an apt here and a lease and all my stuff is here. i don't know what i would do in cambodia if i couldn't get back in vietnam.

what would happen if i didn't leave the country as i am supposed to do? will they make concessions during this pandemic. it makes no sense to go back to america since i have sublet my apt and i have no where to live. I could rent an apt but that would be risky right now if even allowed and then how would i know the building doesn't share pipes? the virus travels through pipes....plus i wouldn't be able to get supplies in the usa since everything is sold out. it makes more sense to stay put, i think....

anyone else worried or wondering what to do?

You said " i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies " : I don't understand why you have been isolated in Vietnam ? I have entered Vietnam the 14th of February from Thailand and I have never been isolated. I have filled the medical report online and it is easy to check my passport.

Clarification please, I thought you had to fill in the health form on line only if you entered Vietnam after 1st March 2020. Entry before then there is no requirement.......right?

Laurent futur Nha Trang wrote:

exstam1 wrote:

i have a one year multi entry visa since  i am from the usa. I have been living in vn for 3 months now and i have to do a visa run and i am scared to do it because i am not sure they will let me back in since i am from usa and cases are rising there. but it makes no sense because i left to usa before the outbreak happened. i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies and right now they are saying if i cross the boarder for my visa run i will have to have a 14 day quaraintine. where? in a facility? my apt in hcmc? They are now denying entry into vn if you are from certain countries, but it should be only if you have been there recently.

they should just extend visas for us instead of making us cross the boarder. i have an apt here and a lease and all my stuff is here. i don't know what i would do in cambodia if i couldn't get back in vietnam.

what would happen if i didn't leave the country as i am supposed to do? will they make concessions during this pandemic. it makes no sense to go back to america since i have sublet my apt and i have no where to live. I could rent an apt but that would be risky right now if even allowed and then how would i know the building doesn't share pipes? the virus travels through pipes....plus i wouldn't be able to get supplies in the usa since everything is sold out. it makes more sense to stay put, i think....

anyone else worried or wondering what to do?

You said " i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies " : I don't understand why you have been isolated in Vietnam ? I have entered Vietnam the 14th of February from Thailand and I have never been isolated. I have filled the medical report online and it is easy to check my passport.

There are many sources here for information from the Minister of Health including cell phone alerts.

Recommendations for isolation have been Progressive over the last few weeks, basically discouraging public gatherings except for necessary activities such as grocery shopping.

We have gone from a point where the government officially told people that they didn't need to wear masks unless they were sick, to the point now where the government is recommending that everyone who steps out in public wear a mask.

There is no absolute hard-and-fast Rule now Nationwide to isolate but there are hot areas where much of the population is doing just that.

goodolboy wrote:

Laurent futur Nha Trang wrote:

exstam1 wrote:

i have a one year multi entry visa since  i am from the usa. I have been living in vn for 3 months now and i have to do a visa run and i am scared to do it because i am not sure they will let me back in since i am from usa and cases are rising there. but it makes no sense because i left to usa before the outbreak happened. i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies and right now they are saying if i cross the boarder for my visa run i will have to have a 14 day quaraintine. where? in a facility? my apt in hcmc? They are now denying entry into vn if you are from certain countries, but it should be only if you have been there recently.

they should just extend visas for us instead of making us cross the boarder. i have an apt here and a lease and all my stuff is here. i don't know what i would do in cambodia if i couldn't get back in vietnam.

what would happen if i didn't leave the country as i am supposed to do? will they make concessions during this pandemic. it makes no sense to go back to america since i have sublet my apt and i have no where to live. I could rent an apt but that would be risky right now if even allowed and then how would i know the building doesn't share pipes? the virus travels through pipes....plus i wouldn't be able to get supplies in the usa since everything is sold out. it makes more sense to stay put, i think....

anyone else worried or wondering what to do?

You said " i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies " : I don't understand why you have been isolated in Vietnam ? I have entered Vietnam the 14th of February from Thailand and I have never been isolated. I have filled the medical report online and it is easy to check my passport.

Clarification please, I thought you had to fill in the health form on line only if you entered Vietnam after 1st March 2020. Entry before then there is no requirement.......right?

There are two options of medical declaration :
- one for people who have entered Vietnam after the deadline ;
- one for foreign "residents". I have only tourist visa but I do live in Vietnam (moreover, I am officially tax resident in Vietnam). So, I filled the second option of the medical declaration. The owner of my apartment wanted this :-)

Laurent futur Nha Trang wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Laurent futur Nha Trang wrote:

You said " i have been isolating here and don't have the virus and feel fine. I spent a lot of money on food and supplies " : I don't understand why you have been isolated in Vietnam ? I have entered Vietnam the 14th of February from Thailand and I have never been isolated. I have filled the medical report online and it is easy to check my passport.

Clarification please, I thought you had to fill in the health form on line only if you entered Vietnam after 1st March 2020. Entry before then there is no requirement.......right?

There are two options of medical declaration :
- one for people who have entered Vietnam after the deadline ;
- one for foreign "residents". I have only tourist visa but I do live in Vietnam (moreover, I am officially tax resident in Vietnam). So, I filled the second option of the medical declaration. The owner of my apartment wanted this :-)

Oh thanks very much for that information I did not know, I will be the same form as you, could you guide me to the online link please?

Regarding ISOLATION:

It's now the official policy in HCMC:

vnexpress. net/news/news/hcmc-leader-calls-for-fortnight-of-thrift-as-covid-19-fight-escalates-4074531.html

goodolboy wrote:

Laurent futur Nha Trang wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

Clarification please, I thought you had to fill in the health form on line only if you entered Vietnam after 1st March 2020. Entry before then there is no requirement.......right?

There are two options of medical declaration :
- one for people who have entered Vietnam after the deadline ;
- one for foreign "residents". I have only tourist visa but I do live in Vietnam (moreover, I am officially tax resident in Vietnam). So, I filled the second option of the medical declaration. The owner of my apartment wanted this :-)

Oh thanks very much for that information I did not know, I will be the same form as you, could you guide me to the online link please?

The link : Tokhaiyte.vn
After that, you sélect "Tờ khai y tế".