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GuestPosterR2506

Thank you  I will give it a thought !

planner

Great feedback.  Rich my intent is not to dissuade you.  I hope it all goes smoothly for you.

My point is only to stop saying its easy until you have done it! 

Why not open a thread and share your experience with us as it goes along?

WillieWeb

Real life example - not residency but citizenship

Bureaucracy in the DR is  tricky, they 'lost' my file 3 times !!
The lawyer (Lily) kept on it eventually speaking to the head of the department.

In the end, I got ushered in - took the test - and was not given the verbal interview.
Whether that was embarrassment or whatever - I don't care.

Just a warning of what can happen.... and might happen

GuestPosterR2506

Thank you guys. I do appreciate all your feed back  will keep you posted on how is going and if and when do get it. We gonna celebrate in La Romana and everyone is welcome!!!

planner

We love a good celebration!

Oscarsahony Sanchez

count us in we can spend weekend somewhere

Tippj

What was on the test that they gave you….?  And what are they looking for with the 
Verbal interview…?

ddmcghee

Tippj wrote:

What was on the test that they gave you….?  And what are they looking for with the 
Verbal interview…?


WillieWeb was talking about Citizenship, not residency. Like any country, the process to gain citizenship is more strenuous, and always includes a verbal or written test that usually covers the country's history and is in the country's official language.

You cannot apply for citizenship until you've been through the residency and renewal process a number of times.

WillieWeb

For DR citizenship - written (10 questions) plus a verbal to verify your fluency

Rajko85

Hello all, got a question or two. Has anyone been through a recent residency process? I been approved for my 1 time visa entry to DR (FAMILY reunification method). I have 2 months to enter. My question is how long does it take once u enter/upload documentes upon entry for them to call u up? I know about medical and all but does anyone have general knowledge how many days/weeks can this take? I know process to be called to santo Domingo is now up to 90 days for actual approval.  My issue is i have a job back home and can hang around for 90 days while they do their process. There is an extension (letting u leave the country without stopping the process/can be done up to 2 times) but even then i am not sure how long that approval takes. Anyone had any experience with this?

modaisky1971

Hello,
Yes, I just completed mine.  I would suggest double checking with your lawyer as my timelines were not as you are stating, however, you are entering under a different visa type. 
Entry time for me was 30 days, and second stage documents had to be submitted by 60 days.  Fortunately, I had a good lawyer and also had my medical within that 60 day period, but I am hearing from others that they are still waiting after 90 days.
If you wait that long to enter, you will have to pay a penalty with your paperwork (and it's not cheap).
If you don't have a lawyer, you could contact Lishali Baez in SD.
Best of luck.

Rajko85

Thanks, seems like flights will cost a lot more them the process lol. 

modaisky1971

Yes, unfortunately flights are really going up in price right now 😔

Profe Agayu

@Rajko85 I just submitted my residency paperwork and had my medical exam in country about 2 months ago. For me it was not advised to leave before your paperwork and medical exam is completed. I believe it is because the immigration officers look through the  passport thoroughly to see if you have the visa and you had not left prior before submitting. 

I had to pay an overstay along with the document submission which totaled $27,000 pesos because my visa had already been expired for 2 months.

carolmarchena

Hello all, got a question or two. Has anyone been through a recent residency process? I been approved for my 1 time visa entry to DR (FAMILY reunification method). I have 2 months to enter. My question is how long does it take once u enter/upload ... - @Rajko85

 Hi, 

I am going through same process with family reunification-  my partner’s visa was given on sept 15. We entered DR on November 8, uploaded everything and had first appointment on December 23, including medical examination - 

—-wait time between uploading, approval, and first appointment was over 30 days. 

AS OF TODAY excluding all holidays- wait time FOR 2ND APPOINTMENT- is 91 days.  

  We were told last week all is ok and just to wait for his 2nd appointment  (I’m half Dominican and know the deal so I call them at least once a week). which is when they will give him his 2nd appointment for biometrics and to get his cédula -  then we wait- short time - for his residency card-     

PLEASE be aware that you must upload all paperwork as soon as you can  from when your visa is given-  I arrived DR ON 11/8 and i was not approved with everything until after November 15 (visa expired on 11/15) and was charged overstay and expiry visa.  

Feel  free to ping me if you need to ask more questions- 

Rajko85

My issue is i dont have a month or two to hang around for approval.  I know i can enter, upload, do medical, ask for approval to leave the country (without abandoning the process). But seems like all those take more than 3 weeks. I already know I would have to reenter the second time for final approval (with reentry approval). Might just to give up on the residency for now...

ddmcghee

You shouldn’t have to wait after submitting your application for residency. We submitted ours in March 2020, left two days later, then returned in July 2020 while the application was still pending.

Unless that is a unique requirement for reunification. As an American, you can enter the country at any time, no visa required for entry. It’s just that the residencia visa is required to apply for residency.

Rajko85

I was told by consulate that you have to be there until your medical/first apt is done? Takes 10 or so days per them. Then to avoid "abandoning " the process u need to apply for an exit visa (takes 5 days to approve) per them and then its good for 90 days. 

ddmcghee

One thing to remember is that the consulates only handle the visas. Once you are in the country, you are dealing with Migración for your residency.

I would contact Migración directly with your questions. They will know the in-country process much better than the consulates. Also, there are a number of US consulate staff that contact DR migration attorneys with questions! I really don’t think they understand the process!

planner
Here is another issue -   every person you ask may tell you a different story. Often the rules change on the fly and they truly believe what they are saying is correct.  Other times they tell you whatever and hope you go away. 

A Dominican accountant told me to ask  multiple times or multiple people  and see what answer comes up the most often. That is probably the right one!  
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Rajko85
Lol, thanks all
Rajko85
Quick update on residencia 2022. So i entered DR On may 2 with my visa entry. I uploaded information they asked for. For the next week they kept asking for different things that were not on the list. Final upload was then done on monday the following week. They will ask for a DR bank account, make sure u have 300k pesos in this account at least. US account wont work and i had to convert money and then show paper trail.  Make sure u have an account open in advance as it takes some time.  You have to buy insurance as well and uploaded that info, its like 80$. I got my invite/apt to Santo Domingo immigration dept on 17th of may. Apt was at 930 am, get there early as there are tons of people everywhere.  My advice is to park at post office next door or on the road if u get there very early. There are people trying to hassle and harass to have you park. They dont seem to be govt employees by any means. Otherwise parking is a nightmare and only parking close to the actual building is for govt employees.  When you get to the front of the building there are like 3 doors. First 2 doors there is a long line, far right door is where u enter with apt and go to a shelter. You will be goven a number. Sit and wait to be called. Deposit all your paperwork, make sure u have copies of passports (they will ask for a copy of every page as well). There is a place u can make copies inside for a fee. After paperwork is deposited they will send u to cashier to pay for your medical exam. Get in your car and drive there. It is pretty close but parking again is a nightmare. We parked one street away for like 60 pesos and walked. At doc apt u will meet with a nurse/doc first and they ask few questions about drug use, drinking,  medications, tattoos and stuff like that. U go next door, get a blood draw. Wait some more and then they do exray of your chest. At that point you should be done with this part and wait is 90 to 120 days. In case you need to leave the country and cant wait around u can go back to immigration building and request a exit/re-entry visa for 4000 pesos. (U can enter via exit/back door as security told us to come back that way) re-entry visa will be done there within an hour or two. U submit your receipts from medical/copies online. U pay 4k pesos, take picture and u get an ID type of card. Now you are good to leave up to 90 days and come back without abandoning your visa process.  You can do it up to two times per them in case your approvals is still pending. Now i wait. Good luck all.
Profe Agayu
Thanks for the details. I just completed the entire process and received my residency and cedula. Your explanation pretty much sums up my experience in addition to a few hiccups.
ExpatRusher
We got our residencies approved a couple years back.  We've done our first official renewal and are looking forward to the second. We also intend to apply for citizenship at the appropriate point.

What I would like to share with those applying for DR Residency, is this:
FIRST, understand that there's a lot of different residency types.  If you don't hire a lawyer, make sure you research which type fits you best.  EACH IS DIFFERENT, REQUIRES DIFFERENT PARTICULARS AND COSTS, AND HAs DIFFERENT ADVANTAGES.

SECOND, if you do hire a lawyer, take the time to hire a good one.  I personally recommend Lishali (aka Lilly) Baez of the Baez Legal Bureau. 

Hiring the right lawyer is essential.  We made a mistake in 2018 and hired a, well, less than productive lawyer.  I've gone into details about that experience in past posts, so I won't repeat it here.  But get the right lawyer in the first place.  For us, that was a $4,500 mistake.

THIRD, BE PATIENT AND ALWAYS BE DIPLOMATIC. The DR process changes SO often.  The process is far more honest today, I believe, under the current Minister, than it was a few years ago.

That understood, FOURTH, you should known there are many pitfalls that could waylay your application:
>> Some are just careless work or filing practices.  I believe the Ministry has improved that, and let's hope the trend continues.
>> Some pitfalls, unfortunately, are due to malicious intervention by mid-level officials or clerics.  I've met far too many expats whose applications or documents were "lost" multiple times for them all to be accidents.   Don't go in pushy or rude, or your package is likely to accidentally fall behind that old bookcase that hasn't been moved in 30 years.
>> Some pitfalls are due to your lawyer, if you hire the wrong one. Hire the right one, instead.  And if you terminate a lawyer for non-performance -- as we did -- be prepared for unexpected blowback and friction in the official system.  Your good lawyer can get you through that, but it will take time.
>> Some pitfalls, derive from unfortunate personal foibles inside the Ministry. I actually heard this from another expat. His strong advice was to NEVER drop any paperwork or do ANY business the day before a DR holiday or holiday weekend.  It just seems that a whole lot of submissions -- even electronic submissions-- done on such days seems to disappear.  Why?  It really doesn't matter why, it just is.  Plan accordingly

I've spoken or posted with many expats that had an easy, carefree experiences applying for DR residency.  Good for them-- but I must note that nearly all of them also had decent skills speaking Espanol.  We don't all have those skills.

If you don't have those language skills, or the time to invest in the laborious DR residencia process...hire a lawyer, and consider it money well-spent.  It's a lot easier on your blood pressure.

Best to all,

Jim
EXPATRUSHER
Guineo Verde
@Rajko85


They will ask for a DR bank account, make sure u have 300k pesos in this account at least.

This is the second time I hear about a bank deposit in the residency process.

I was not asked to have one three years ago.

is it a new requisite ? Are you applying  as a retiree, person of means, investor ... ?
UncleBuck
@Rajko85


They will ask for a DR bank account, make sure u have 300k pesos in this account at least.

This is the second time I hear about a bank deposit in the residency process.

I was not asked to have one three years ago.

is it a new requisite ? Are you applying  as a retiree, person of means, investor ... ?
- @Guineo Verde

When we applied 3 years ago, we were asked for a bank account with $250K, then $300, then a second account for my wife with $250K.  Thankfully, we already had an account open, so getting a second one open was quick.  But moving the additional funds was a pain and expensiveWe applied as retirees.
modaisky1971
We had to open a DR bank account with no minimum balance (we just added 5000rd).  We had to get a letter from the bank advising it was active.  We did not have to show proof of insurance?? (Medical?). We started ours in November 2021 and received Cedula in March 2022.  We used Lishali and she was great.  Our application went fairly smoothly by my parents who started theirs at same time got all messed up say the Dominican Consulate in Toronto.  That place is a disaster.  They ruined their paperwork with mistakes and were unable to get replacements as they were already in the DR and she they just dropped the prices.  Lost thousands.  :-(
ddmcghee
@modaisky1971 The insurance required is to cover getting you home if your application is denied. It is required and you had to have had it. Lily took care of it for you and probably never even mentioned that part of what you paid her was to cover that expense, as well as all the others. She makes things as easy as possible for us!


That’s another thing that you need to take into consideration when hiring an attorney to help with residency - is their fee all-in? We paid for the items required to get our residency VISA out of pocket (apostilles, background check, translations (we had the consulate do ours), and application fee), but once we were in DR, Lily paid for everything out of what we paid her. I’ve heard of other attorneys that have “cheaper” fees, but it only covers the attorney's time and all other expenses have to be paid by the applicant.
planner
Expatrusher - good post.  I was shaking my head a few times.

The possible problems are endless!  The possible or probable changes are endless!

Not all consular offices are the same!  Some are really good and some suck. Don't assume what they say is correct - confirm!

To those who do it themselves - good for you!  It's not easy and it's fun of landmines.

I love that advice - never deposit before a holiday or long weekend! I would not deposit the day after either!!!
ddmcghee
As for the bank account, we had to have a local account, but ours initially only had 17,000 DOP (~$300US). And that one bank account worked for both of us since we were coming in as retirees on a joint application.
modaisky1971

@ddmcghee this is good to know.  I was not aware of that 😃

Tripp789
Not that she needs another good reference, but my wife and I used Lishali as well with success.  She helped and directed us from the beginning to the end including determining the best residency for us, a list of the required documents and actions, followed up with DR Consulate personnel in the US,  made all appointments and literally walked us through them.
GuestPosterR2506

@Tripp789  i guess it will all depend on your situation but ballpack how much did the entire process cost?

planner
Please don't go there. Every single situation is different.

Lishali is not the least expensive option. Nor is she the most expensive.  She gives great value for what you will pay!

Contact her directly and ask.
GuestPosterR2506
@planner Please don't go there. Every single situation is different. ???

if not Lishali who else?
planner
I meant asking for prices in an online forum.   Each case is different and going in with expectations is not great.

Absolutely Lishali!
DRVisitor
As this thread shows make sure it is worthwhile for you attain because it is not an easy process and you may not even be able to obtain pending on your history and financials.
WillieWeb
As was pointed out..... Lishali's price includes many (if not all) of the outside services you may need.


Hers is not a 'bare bones' price - others may appear lower but then the 'extras' start rolling in.

Lishali's is an 'all inclusive' fee.... no surprises
GuestPosterR2506

@WillieWeb that is pleasing to hear. Given my experience so far both in the US and DR  - getting a straight answer appears to be foreign or just not in their DNA (no disrespect given i come from a very similar background).1f60e.svg

WillieWeb
I have known her since she interned at Guzman, Ariza.... I was assigned to her and have never left

Extremely trustworthy.... and knows her way thru DGM

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