Registering MEI
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Just wondering if it's necessary to register Microempreendedor (MEI) if you are making less than 81,000R. I am currently working online (independent contractor). I was told that I would need to register, is this accurate information? On the other hand, I was told by a lawyer that it's an obligation to unless I was making more than R81,000.
Question is... is it obligatory/necessary?
https://www.prefeitura.sp.gov.br/cidade … hp?p=20463
Well, "autonomos" or freelancers need to pay taxes of what they make and that is through MEI if you make 6,750 reais or less per month or R$81,000 per year or less. More than that, you fall under the category of a "microempresa" or small business.
However, if you make less than R$ 28.559,70 a year or R$2,379.97 a month, you don´t need to pay taxes so registering as an MEI would depend if you find the benefits below attractive.
Advantages of having an MEI:
1. reduced taxes
2. ability to open a business account and obtain loans.
3. Eligibility for age retirement
4. Disability benefits
5. Survivors´benefits
6. Benefits for dependents while in prison
7. A way to prove your yearly income to institutions that require it.
8. You gain more trust from institutions or clients by having a permanent address through MEI.
So, it maybe necessary to register and obtain the CNPJ! It´s all up to you!
robal
Adding my questions/concerns here too:
A company I have made several internships with has offered me a job. Usually they hire another company, or microimpresa, that carries out these consultancy services. This saves on taxes. Otherwise it has to go through carteira assinada, which has a bigger cut-off by the government.
As a EU national without a pemanent RNE, is there a way to open an MEI? As far as I am concerned, it is not. I would also need a working visa, since I am currently on a tourist one. For this I need to go through the hassle at the Ministerio do Trabalho. But in that case the contract had to be on carteira assinada, right?
What is the easiest way to get legally paid in Brasil?
Thank you for your replies!
Sha
Sha,
Ask the company that wants to hire you for help in getting your CRNM.
Dear abthree,
thank you for this tip to seek sorting the CRNM out. I did my bit of research and ran into a wall. Correct me if I am wrong, but...
The basis of registering for a CRNM is the premise that a visitor to Brasil will be staying longer than 3 months. In order to accomplish such a feat I would therefore need some form of a non-tourist visa (student, internship, work, volunteer, etc) permitting such a stay above 3 months. Correct?
The other potential idea I had was to extend my initial stay of 3 months of the visa, by adding the 3 months of the other 180day quota, to have a total of 6 months stay. Would an extended tourist visa above 3 months help getting a CRNM? If so, would I be able to work at all, as tourists are not allowed to acquire remunerated labour. This leaves me rather perplexed.
The company I have worked for may arrange some paperwork, give a jeitinho, but in the end it is not very clear how. Have you got more insights on acquiring a CRNM, and may I PM you?
Thank you very very much.
um abraço,
Sha
CRNM is permanent residency:
WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR A PERMANENT VISA?
Those moving to Brazil due to:
A) FAMILY REUNION: dependents moving to Brazil to be joined with a Brazilian citizen or Brazilian permanent visa holder.
Please check the dependent section of our website for more information.
Attention: Being married to a Brazilian citizen does not automatically entitle a foreign citizen to obtain a permanent visa. If the family will not be moving to Brazil on a permanent basis, please apply for a tourist visa.
B) Retirement residence transfer;
C) Work as a manager or director of a religious or social assistance organization;
D) Personal investment in Brazil;
E) Intra-company transferee to work as a manager, director, or executive
F) Person of extraordinary ability in the sciences, technological, research, or academic fields, with a job offer at Brazilian research, scientific, or academic organization.
NOTE: Except for circumstances involving family reunion (case 1A), retirement (case 1B), or work as a manager or director of a religious or social assistance organization (case 1C), all other cases have to be initiated in Brazil (work permit authorization by the Ministry of Labor is required prior to submitting a visa application).
When my company had an office in Brazil, the Brazil office had to submit the paperwork for a work permit and a 2-year visa.
Therefore the company will need to help you, especially if you are not a BR citizen.
As to extension's on visas, they are not granting such, but not counting days either. Take care with this approach. If your company does not help you you could face time and fine issues.
Thanks texanbrasil,
i had figured out this part already. i am also not looking in getting any (more) fines. the questions was whether I can open a company without getting a work visa, and from what I gather it is rather impossible (and making sense from the legislature)..
the approach is therefore to get a work visa, which means i need to pay IRNF and ISSS, on top of other taxes. but having such a work visa i could registed fro CRNM, and open an additional company if necessary. am i right?
best regards,
sha
I am confused. I read a company you worked for was!
getting paperwork.
If you do not have a CRNM, you can not have a bank account
A CRNM really has nothing to do with working. It helps with getting a work permit.
Do you want to open a business? You need to get an investor visa. That is expensive and really need help with the laws and accounting.
Since 'you have it figured out already", I can not help further.
You can not work or anything else on to tourist visa.
See Hermes post above
Sharoo7 wrote:The company I have worked for may arrange some paperwork, give a jeitinho, but in the end it is not very clear how. Have you got more insights on acquiring a CRNM, and may I PM you?
Thank you very very much.
um abraço,
Sha
This is a gray area in the law, as far as I know.
The 2017 reforms of the Law of Migration talked about a path for foreign independent contractors to obtain legal residence without an employment tie to a Brazilian company. When the implementing regulations were published, though, they just repeated the old rules requiring foreign contractors to be sponsored by a Brazilian employer. I'm not aware of any liberalization since then, and between the pandemic and the new unemployment figures that came out this morning (highest since 2012), I wouldn't expect any to come out soon enough to help you.
The company you've been talking to could still sponsor you with the Ministry of Labor as a contractor. They could talk to their attorney about ways to do that and limit their responsibility, but that's the most likely way for you to get an authorization to reside in Brazil that will allow you to obtain a CRNM and a Labor Card to work legally, and to open a bank account.
You're welcome to PM me, but that's all I know.
Thank you for your reply, texanbrazil. By saying that I had figure it out meant I did my bit of research, and still ran into inconsistencies and had my doubts. This forum was advised to lift them. I appreciate your input and expertise. Having done more research it appears that I may get a residency (temporary for up to 2 years) following a work contract with a brazilian company. This would be on the basis of Resolução Normativa (RN) nº 01/2017 and Resolução Normativa (RN) nº 02/2017.
https://www.justica.gov.br/seus-direito … residencia
The process as of 2018 online and done on MIGRANTEWEB..
At the same time I do have additional questions, and at this point assume it would be best to get some legal advice, as the matter is getting too detailed. Are you familiar with anyone providing excellent service in these legal matters?
Thank you in advance,
Sha
abthree wrote:Sharoo7 wrote:The company I have worked for may arrange some paperwork, give a jeitinho, but in the end it is not very clear how. Have you got more insights on acquiring a CRNM, and may I PM you?
Thank you very very much.
um abraço,
Sha
This is a gray area in the law, as far as I know.
The 2017 reforms of the Law of Migration talked about a path for foreign independent contractors to obtain legal residence without an employment tie to a Brazilian company. When the implementing regulations were published, though, they just repeated the old rules requiring foreign contractors to be sponsored by a Brazilian employer. I'm not aware of any liberalization since then, and between the pandemic and the new unemployment figures that came out this morning (highest since 2012), I wouldn't expect any to come out soon enough to help you.
The company you've been talking to could still sponsor you with the Ministry of Labor as a contractor. They could talk to their attorney about ways to do that and limit their responsibility, but that's the most likely way for you to get an authorization to reside in Brazil that will allow you to obtain a CRNM and a Labor Card to work legally, and to open a bank account.
You're welcome to PM me, but that's all I know.
Thank you, abthree, for the extensive reply.
It appears that getting CRNM is a process that would go hand in hand together with getting a working contract in Brazil. Said otherwise, the fact that I would be hired by a local company is the basis upon which the residency would be granted. I believe it to be temporal, and only up to 2 years. It is best summarized here, for others in doubt : https://schiefler.adv.br/autorizacao-de … -trabalho/
On a side note, and hopefully not too much off-topic, are you familiar with any services that could help me and the company, in getting this process swiftly off the ground? It appears that the process on MIGRANTEWEB takes up to 180 days.... thats quite a wait considering I should start working asap.,
Thank you once again, abthree,
Best Regards,
Sha
A MEI will cost you somewhere around R$60,00 / month in compulsory taxes.
When you file your personal tax income, your tax contribuitions fall under a lower bracket.
If you need to cancel your MEI, I recall the cancel fee is about R$375,00 or something like that.
Just wondering if it's necessary to register Microempreendedor (MEI) if you are making less than 81,000R. I am currently working online (independent contractor). I was told that I would need to register, is this accurate information? On the other hand, I was told by a lawyer that it's an obligation to unless I was making more than R81,000.
Question is... is it obligatory/necessary?
https://www.prefeitura.sp.gov.br/cidade … hp?p=20463
-@nv91
You don't need to be under anyone's employ. That is a big chunk of malarley.
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