Resident Visa Proof of income requirement

Dear Hutch,

As if what you present is not complex enough, I glean from other postings of yours that you are Portuguese .. and your "income" is derived from retirement-account distributions.

Such distributions may not be considered actual income, just a conversion of a personal asset into another asset class.

Have you or your visa agency determined whether Colombia considers IRA distributions to be proof of reliable income?  Do you have a history of receiving IRA distributions on a monthly basis that would meet the Colombia income standard for an extended-term visa?

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By the way, your wife's rental agreement has nothing to do with any valid effort to prove income of your own.  Let us know if you have reason to dispute this assertion.

Based on what you posted on this thread, your best bet may be reapplying for a three-year marriage visa.  That is because it may be easier to prove your marriage to a Colombiana than to prove that you have qualifying income for the longer visa.

cccmedia

Thanks for the reply, cccmedia

Yes the Visa agency told me for an R-Visa it was easier for me using my wife`s income and me as a beneficiary of hers of course on EPS insurance I would have to appear as a beneficiary as well that is still being disputed, if I`m going to apply for an R-Visa or not due to the fact that I have not talked to expatgroup in Medellin on a recent new suggestion that my wife told me that is to use her rental agreement in conjunction with a compra y venta document.
I don`t know as of yet if they: meaning Ministerio in Bogota considers that a legal document for ownership of property.
I have to run that by the agency to see if we can use that..... if not then yes I will be reapplying for an M-1 visa again.

Also I have a tax examination with a Tax Accountant in Medellin next week to determine my taxes for 2020 and yes IRA distributions are considered income in USA so I will find out next week the scope. and will post the outcome.



Hutch

No I believe you actually have to apply for a normal Visa to get Cedula de Estranjeria Tomas a tourist it is actually only a permit not a Visa.

? Can I apply for a visa normal , like M-1, while staying In Colombia on the tourist visa 90/180 days

Cordialmente Mathias

As I unferdtood IT, the Cédula Extranjera gibes you the right to open a bank account which in my case are fundamental

If I can get M-1 visa while staying on a tourist visa, then the M-1 visa gets me the right to haves bank account, since I leave Sweden 100% and can not have property or financial activity in Sweden, to not te taxable in Sweden

Cordialmente Mathias

Yes , you can apply when you get here, but because of the Covid 19, I would suggest applying at the Colombian Embassy in your country and there you can find out all the requirements you need for the type of M Visa you need, everything is being done electronically right now here.

Regards

10.0000 TNX HutchX2020

Cordialmente mathias Sweden

hola de nuevo
es que liedio que tengo dos semanas para ir a migraciones y la otra oficina con mis y mi futuro esposa documentos para conseguir cédula extranjera que, con M-1, no necesitaba, he leido. Si no lo hago adentro 14 días laborales se darme un una multa de 7 sueldos mínimos (?)

Pero logicamente; sí si pasamos las entrevistas y edivendica de ingresos y tenemos todo los documentos en orden, yo recibir una visa tipo M-1, logico pueda abrir una cuenta bancaria si mostrar mi pasaporte de Suecia + Visa  M-1 documento

etoy confundido porque usted me decia que cédula extranjera es más para "una visa ordinario", que interprentar como turista de 180 días, ay otro de vivir en colombia por un año o estudiar por 2 años.

Por la pandemia no hay prisa, eso va a pasar durante la segunda semestre 2021 cuando el mundo ha normalizado, o aún más tarde porque ahora madrid, paris, Estocolmo, otros partes de Europa y Asia tiene "la segunda ola. Pero ya empezado contactar y tengo muy lindas chicas , obvio , les desan salir sus paises , pero si hay ánimo y educación experiencia , pueda vivir relativamente bíen en Medellín. Es

otra opción más fácil es que vivir en Colombia 180 días al año

casarme con con una venezolana y pasar un parte del los otros 185 días en la casa de su familia o alquier algo sencillo cercita

Ecudaor también es interesante porque como entiendo la recidencia cuesta muy poco, 800 dólares, paraguay 5000 dólares por residencia.

Es que deseo que yo y mi futuro esposa trabajamos desde la casa, como digital-nomades, (semi-fijos).... soy Analista Global y busco una chica inteligente, guapas hay un montonespecialmente en Medellín y Zulia

It's good that you can write in Spanish, Matías, and presumably you can speak it to some degree also - that will certainly help you in any Spanish-speaking South American country you choose.

But in this forum, please post in English as this is an English-speaking forum.  Should you wish to post in Spanish and not in English, go to this forum on expat.com for Colombia:

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewforum.php?id=2159

Why anybody would want to get a Visa and<Cedula or Colombian bank account while staying here less than 183 days is beyond me.

Although I know a guy who does it -actually has Colombian citizenship but probably spends less thn 3 months here in a year.

But he is so loaded and doesnt have any kids i his 60s, so it would hardly be any skin off his back if he lost all his real estate holdings in Colombia.

Easy come, easy go

Matias

Acerca la tema de casarte con una Colombiana o Venezolana y pasando menos de 180 días juntos con ella, tienes que aprender un dicho Colombiano-

una relación de lejos es feliz para cuatro ..o otra versión

una relación de lejos es una relación de pendejos

Eres demasiado joven para pensar en bobadas como a casarte con cualquiera latina..

Ha ha ..quite funny..I know a girl in Manizales who is basically a prostitute and has a Swiss "Fiance" who she sees for less than 3 months a year, who either does not know it, doesnt want to know it or doesnt care..

I actually know of several cases were girl is either a full on prostitute or has a foreign boyfriend or fiance she only sees a few months a year  and she is cheating on him with local men.

This is 100% truth, and I am not trolling,I am only saying this so guys like Mathias and any others know what they are getting into. If they dont care, thats okay as long as they know.

When having a relation with a foreign women it is important that you spend quality time together to get to know each othe well before becoming engaged or married.

If you want to get married  to get a Visa, fine, but know how to protect yourself financially and emotionally.

Measure twice, cut once.

Nico is right.  Colombia is a land of many great contrasts in so many areas, not just between rich and poor.  You have open prostitution, prepagadas, women on-call to your domicilio - and you also have devout, chaste Catholics who live their faith and who are fine upstanding people, honest and hard-working.  Not that some of the less-religious are not also hard-working, ja ja...

Anyone who gets into a quality relationship with marriage as the end goal, is in essence also marrying their family, too.  So you need to get to know her/him, and all of her family, and her cousins, nephews and nieces and aunts and uncles too.  It is worth it for the right one.  For the wrong one it can be a disaster.

sí tengo mucha experiencia de este tipo de mujeres, claro, muchas son así

yo deseo, claro conocerla bíen antes nos casamos /uniona civil

es que leido que solamente tiene 14 días laborales para ir a migraciones y presentar los documentos necesarios, porque no usted demora dede pagar una multa de 7 sueldos minimos.....queeso hacerme muy confundido

¿soy mal informado?

pueda vivir como turista 180 días y en el fin de eso periodo, casarnos y , tengo ahorros, pero pronto conseguir un trabajo en el nivel de mi educación universitaria y ella también....

Gracias, muchisima gracias para apoyarme clarificar esas coss

cordialmente  MatiasLindo

Please post in English on this anglophone forum.

cccmedia
expat.com experts team

Ok, but it has changed my commentaries from English to Spanish

I fix it tomorrow

The same again....mañana entonces voy a cambiar mis configuraciones

Maybe Swedish would be best..jaja..solo bromiendo

I hope his English post isnt as confusing as is Spanish

I am confused as to whether he has a girlfirend or is only looking for one,.

And if she is a Venezuelan, it will be difficult to get her in the country now, and wont do any good for a marriage Visa...she wont even get a Cedula Extranjeria..they have special Visas and IDs for legalVenezuelanos, but the border is pretty tight now, although people travel back and forth.

And I wouldnt visit Venezuela now, let alone live there.

Also dont know why he wants an M-1 visa if he wants to stay 180 days a year.

His post is all over the map

As far as working as a systems analyst remotely y Internet, that is a good attribute to have, where ever he chooses to live.

Also as far as being a Non-Swedish resident  taxes not being paid in Swededn, you will be liable for taxes in Colombia onyour income, and maybe even assets.

And they are probably almost as high as Swedens

Of course, working online internationally, there is no way DIAN would find out..unless you told them---

Back to Hutches original question

I agree with CCC  that wifes income would be irrelevant for Hutch getting an M-1 or R visa.

And even if it was, the requirement for proof of income for a Rentista Visa (income from a non-government Pension) is around 11 Salarios Minimos last time I heard- or around 11 million pesos per month.

Hi there I didn't realize I had a post to respond to but thanks to all that contribute well for an M-1 visa there is no requirement for proof of income, but I did talk to the Visa Agency in Poplado and they told me for an R Visa after my M-1 expires which I am able to apply after 2 years with an M-1 Visa I could be as a dependent of my wife thus her income being the one that's required not mine I know it's a bit confusing but I realize I cannot use her income also because the papers on her apartment are the problem and we already talked to a lawyer if we could change the paperwork and it's a big mess with lots of money thus I'm opting to renew my M-1 visa but if  there are issues with the Health Insurance which now they are making people pay 12,5% of 40% of their income especially people with Rentista Visas and Pension Visas then I'd rather stay 6 months and go to Portugal 6 months and there is no need for a Visa although I wanna try to keep my apartment in Dosquebradas because I have all my stuff here. How to contribute to Social security in Colombia

I dont understand Hutch

They changed all the R Visas another dozen or so types a few years ago to an "M" Visa-good for 3 or 5 years

I used to have an R "Rentista" Visa,renewanble every year, but now it is a 3 years ""M" - Migrant Visa coming due Next April.

But despite the name change  and duration change  from 1 year to 3 or 5 years there are still the same subcategories requiring same documentation and requirements.

A "Rentista" requires proof of income of 11 salarios mínimos from any source

A "pensionada" requires 3 salarios mínimos (I believe someone can correct me) proof of income from a government or certifiable corporate pension

A Marriage visa does not require any proof of income. Marrying a Colombiana and living in her country is a universal human right.

People that have  a marriage visa (I know some of you are on this forum) can   confirm  this or  correct me on this.

If your wife is Colombian, than you can get a marriage visa. That is the easiest.

If you dont get any responses from anyone who has recently got a marriage visa, I can direct you to another site which is a lot more active, and people will answer your question for sure.

Dont always rely on word of mouth of local Migraciones agents, as they can be mistaken quite often.

As an example, on another site, a Migraciones agent in Medllin office told a guy he didnt need a PCR test to enter Colombia if he was a resident, or if you are a citizen. This is total BS and illogical.

I am hearing after COVID things are getting harder and requiring more redundant documentation, but I think the basic requirements have stayed the same.

Anyway if you come for 6 months and look into it in more detail you will eventually figure it out.

If you wernt"Married" I would say wait until next year as things are still in a  state of porqueria due to COVID

Maybe by then the fatality rate (which is declining) will be so low they will finally admit it is no worse than the flu