Pay for quarantine now makes sense

Can you help to elaborate:  what is pay for quarantine?  Thanks,

pppham40 wrote:

Can you help to elaborate:  what is pay for quarantine?  Thanks,

From Sept 1st, anyone arriving into Vietnam will have to pay  for the mandatory  14 day quarantine costs.
Read the last paragraph on the report.

Got it.  Should have read the whole thing.  Thank you for the quick response.

All this for a virus with a 99% + survival rate

Ridiculous if you ask me

1willy1 wrote:

All this for a virus with a 99% + survival rate

Ridiculous if you ask me

Statistic notwithstanding, I'm certain you would not think all the prevention strategies are ridiculous if you or your loved ones belong to the unfortunate 1% group.

People keep saying there are more deaths in the US from the flu virus than from Covid, but according to the CDC, there were 34K people died of the flu during the 2018-2019 flu season, while there are 189K deaths due to this virus just in the last 6 months so far.

Let's ask the families of those 189K people how they think of the prevention and see how many of them say it's ridiculous.

Ciambella wrote:

Statistic notwithstanding, I'm certain you would not think all the prevention strategies are ridiculous if you or your loved ones belong to the unfortunate 1% group.

Tobacco kills many more people, but no problem, Vietnamese are still encouraged to smoke more and more!

BigTraveler wrote:

Tobacco kills many more people, but no problem, Vietnamese are still encouraged to smoke more and more!

Nobody encourages Vietnamese to smoke.  They smoke because they want to, not because there are adverts saying smoking is cool, or because the price of cigarettes is affordable to all.  In fact, the annual "Life without Smoke" campaign in Hanoi has attracted more participants every year.  Last year, over 1000 people marched around Sword Lake to show their attestation against cigarette smoking, a much larger crowd than the penultimate year.

Approximately 40k deaths in Vietnam every year are recorded as related to cigarette smoking.  If there were an encouragement to smoke as you said, didn't you think the number would have been much higher?

The Vietnamese government doesn't care if you think their handling of Covid-19 is ridiculous.  Your opinion is only important to you and not to them.  No matter how highly you think of yourself and your opinion on the matter, the VN government along with numerous other world governments have qualified scientists advising them.  They don't take shutting their countries down and harming their economies lightly.  But gee, your opinion and available knowledge is so much more brilliant than the though they have put into dealing with this.  You are a genius and the VN government is just a complete bunch of dummies. 

Ha. Ha.  Stop thinking so highly of yourself and your opinion.

Vietnamkid wrote:

The Vietnamese government doesn't care if you think their handling of Covid-19 is ridiculous.  Your opinion is only important to you and not to them.  No matter how highly you think of yourself and your opinion on the matter, the VN government along with numerous other world governments have qualified scientists advising them.  They don't take shutting their countries down and harming their economies lightly.  But gee, your opinion and available knowledge is so much more brilliant than the though they have put into dealing with this.  You are a genius and the VN government is just a complete bunch of dummies. 

Ha. Ha.  Stop thinking so highly of yourself and your opinion.

Nobody has any idea of who you are replying to. Have you heard about the quote function on here?

Yes, I have heard of the quote function.  Didn't realize you were the forum police.  I hope it annoys you further that I am not going to use it.  Perhaps, you should let go of your need to control what others do.  Without using the quote function, I think people have a fairly good idea who I am replying to.

Vietnamkid wrote:

(in reply to Colin) Yes, I have heard of the quote function.  Didn't realize you were the forum police.  I hope it annoys you further that I am not going to use it.  Perhaps, you should let go of your need to control what others do.  Without using the quote function, I think people have a fairly good idea who I am replying to.

What a punk. Get lost. We don't need you offending respected Forum members here. We all want to see this thing work well with good communication, and if you can't accept a friendly reminder from a highly respected forum member then your participation is not welcome

Vietnamkid wrote:

Yes, I have heard of the quote function.  Didn't realize you were the forum police.  I hope it annoys you further that I am not going to use it.  Perhaps, you should let go of your need to control what others do.  Without using the quote function, I think people have a fairly good idea who I am replying to.

Fantastic. It's obvious you are some type of rebel.

Long live The Kid!

colinoscapee wrote:

Vietnamkid wrote:

Yes, I have heard of the quote function.  Didn't realize you were the forum police.  I hope it annoys you further that I am not going to use it.  Perhaps, you should let go of your need to control what others do.  Without using the quote function, I think people have a fairly good idea who I am replying to.

Fantastic. It's obvious you are some type of rebel.

Long live The Kid!

And it's obvious he doesn't respect the input of others.

He got great replies to this thread he created and never responded further in the thread.

Great way for him to get forum members to recommend him, if and when he ever relocates here and attempts to offer his legal services

Interesting comment in today's article.  Could this be a push to start allowing tourists?  I kind of doubt it but this is the first I've heard about any possibility of avoiding quarantine.  And, why would there be less risk if someone is here for 13 days or 130?  If they were infected when they arrived that is when they would most likely spread it - in the first two weeks, not after.

Now this loophole may be strictly geared towards business people and experts coming into the country for a specific job or buisness deal.  It really doesn't say.  Because it says "allowed to enter" leads me to think it's more directed towards the business and expert field.

Also it's wierd that it's in an article about paid quarantine in hotels but these people would expressly avoid that quarantine.  Strange.

https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/society/202 … 56754.html

Those foreigners who are allowed to enter Vietnam and who will stay in the country for less than 14 days will not be subject to collective quarantine but they have to strictly adhere to COVID-19 prevention rules.

How much does it cost for the quarantine? I tried checking the article but couldn't find anything

I have read on fb groups it costs as much as 150 usd a day depending on star level of the hotel. 1500 usd for 14 days for regular hotel
That includes food and testing.

IamCharlie wrote:

How much does it cost for the quarantine? I tried checking the article but couldn't find anything

On the opposite side of the spectrum in the post above which doesn't surprise me for the upper end the goverment just announced today the cost of sate run quarantine is $5.10 USD per day.  So, a huge range.

https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/society/202 … 56824.html

You get what you pay for!   Does anyone know if govt. quar. is even an option for foreigner?

The confusion comes from where is the quarantine...in the government quarantine center or in te hotels approved in hanoi and hcmc???

Wow, that's still a crazy amount since accommodation is so cheap in Vietnam

IamCharlie wrote:

Wow, that's still a crazy amount since accommodation is so cheap in Vietnam

They don't approve you to stay in cheap hostels or in motels that don't provide services.

If you are going to be in full quarantine in a hotel, they want to make sure that all of your needs are met.

A little while back there was a list of places in Ho Chi Minh City and they ranged from about $40 USD a night to $250 USD a night, in line with star ratings.

However, since then most of the locations have ceased participating in the program.

I know because I was calling down there and talking to them with the thought of possibly heading directly to Ho Chi Minh City from Danang.

So surely you would then agree with severe restrictions on driving, drinking, smoking, knives, guns, fast food and everything else that kills people?

Thd numbers everywhere are being Inflated dramatically for covid , it's a hoax

If my 90 year old grandmother passed away from covid I'd be sad but I wouldn't expect the world to be locked down because of it

Our freedoms and rights must come first , if we were talking Ebola or an actual serious pandemic then maybe I'd understand

This is all a scam

The problem is that it is not only the 90 years old who died....lots of 50 to 60 years old have died in america.....and their time was not up yet......a little bit of compassion would not hurt.....

SergGugu wrote:

The problem is that it is not only the 90 years old who died....lots of 50 to 60 years old have died in america.....and their time was not up yet......a little bit of compassion would not hurt.....

The majority of people who are dying already had existing medical issues. Covid is like the straw that broke the camels back.

So if u are 50 or 60 years old and you have heart problem it is ok that you die early because of the virus someone gives you?.....

The average age of death is around 85 years old

The numbers drops off dramatically under 70 years old

This is a scam

Where do uget tha info??? Anyhow it is a waste of time trying to convince people that see conspiracy everywhere....we bury 3 people we knew and they were not 85.....if it is a scam please go spend 24 hours in an ICU department without a mask..if it is a scan there is no danger.... have a good day

I get my numbers from health Canada,  almost zero cases of young people dying of Corona here

In China,  a country with 1.4 billion people they have only 4000 Corona deaths

Tell us all about the 3 people I know that died of corona .

In America they are inflating numbers and labeling everything u der the son as corona , including car crash and cancer deaths.

Please find alternative sources for I fo other then the dishonest main stream outlets.

SergGugu wrote:

So if u are 50 or 60 years old and you have heart problem it is ok that you die early because of the virus someone gives you?.....

Who said it was ok. Just saying that most people who are dying are already ill, healthy people are rarely  dying. Stop trying to twist things around.

colinoscapee wrote:

SergGugu wrote:

So if u are 50 or 60 years old and you have heart problem it is ok that you die early because of the virus someone gives you?.....

Who said it was ok. Just saying that most people who are dying are already ill, healthy people are rarely  dying. Stop trying to twist things around.

Anyone who's following the official position of the Vietnamese government in news releases will have seen that they are making a point of saying that the vast majority of deaths from COVID-19 were people with multiple comorbidities/pre-existing conditions.

Not a heartless position to take, it's just the facts.

Here Are the death % from the center for disease ontrol and prevention :
85 and up.   9%
75 to 84.       10%
65 to 74.         10%
55 to 64.         9%
45 to 54.         9%
35 to 44.         6%
25 to 34.         3%
15 to 24.         1.5%

This is not fake news.
So i dont know how u can say the average death is 85 years old....
And i hope you are not older than 34 years old...
WE drive with seatbelt,we follow speed limit,we dont smoke wherever we want because we live in society and our liberties stop when we infringe in someone else liberty..wearing a mask does not kill anyone and if people working in the hospital can work 12 hours shit with a mask..we can wear one when we go out....have a good day..

That adds up to 57.5%, where is the other 32.5%.

colinoscapee wrote:

SergGugu wrote:

So if u are 50 or 60 years old and you have heart problem it is ok that you die early because of the virus someone gives you?.....

Who said it was ok. Just saying that most people who are dying are already ill, healthy people are rarely  dying. Stop trying to twist things around.

I don’t know if that’s true everywhere, but I had a look at the published numbers of the biggest hospital in my area (I’m stuck in Switzerland), and it’s true that very few of the deceased were younger than 60, even fewer under 50. However, and I think that’s very important, some of the survivors spent days or even weeks in the ICU, they were on respirators  and all kinds of treatments, and a lot of them just barely made it. There are also reports of people with permanent damage. But even if you heal completely, spending time in the ICU is no joke, I wouldn’t wish to anyone. So I think Vietnam has done the right thing, I think the numbers speak for themselves, if you look at them objectively.

"Those testing positive for the novel coronavirus will be admitted to medical centers for treatment; while those reporting negative results twice can switch from centralized quarantine camps to isolation at home or their place of work or a hotel until they complete the 14-day quarantine under supervision of local authorities."

This is the article about the first commercial flight allowed in.

That paragraph makes it sound as if everybody goes into a centralized isolation facility and then the 5-day magic number is an opportunity to move out of there to one of the other choices, including a hotel.

So if that's correct, nobody gets to go directly to a hotel...

Over 100 arrive in Vietnam on first commercial flight in six months - Vietnam Express

The CDC just admitted that out of the 220 000 civ8d deaths in america only 6% have covid listed as death on their birth certificate.

This is a worldwide hoax , the globalists are testing their control systems and you people who buy into.it are just as guilty as them

Nice try but That's only 57.5% where is the other half ,?

Do you mean death certificate

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-d … -covid-19/

Hooked wrote:

Do you mean death certificate

Yes death certificate , only 6% of the 220 000 American deaths are actually listed as covid.