National Permanent Residence Permit

Thierson1 wrote:

If Cameroon was party to the 1961 Hague Convention, then an apostille (certificate of authentication) would bee attached by Cameroon and job done.  That then should be sufficient for Hungary as they are signatories to the Hague Convention to accept apostilles.

It seems in this case, Cameroon is not a party so needs double authentication.  Cameroon ought to sort that out.

Exactly, unfortunately they were not one of the signatories of that convention, that's why authentication from our ministry of foreign affairs or whatever diplomatic representation of Cameroon is not enough. It should go again through a HU diplomatic representation covering my country of origin, that's why I had to deal with the HU consulate/embassy in Nigeria.

Horrible. I feel for you.   I don't think anyone here has a solution for Hungary.  Sorry we don't know what to do.

If you can freely travel in the EU then you might want to consider alternatives before your documents run out or they try and deport you.  I know it's not very good and I know you have your pride but you could always try for some other mechanism or claim if you are under threat in Cameroon because of the current security situation.  I'd think you'd get more of an apolitical hearing in the UK than around here.   

BTW, off topic but it's Friday, wth, when I dealt with apostilles it was ridiculous.  It's a truly awkward system.  We had some equipment under our control which belonged to a foreign government which they no longer wanted but wanted to account for. It was agreed we should yet another government where the equipment was located. I've never seen such a pile of nonsensical paperwork around office items which cost about $1000.  It must have taken many 1000s of USD of man effort to get it right.  I said it'd be easier if it was "lost" and the staff took the items home for their own use.   However, bureaucracy will always win.    I learnt by lesson so on yet another job, we had a similar problem but in that case we just left the items there with the understanding that it was in the care of the local building manager.   And in yet another one, I gave the removable office equipment to the local staff directly with a nod and a wink - say no more. Never heard another thing about any of it.  Job done!

Immigration is a hard dept. to deal with.
My US American friend here in Hungary and her father moved here around 3 years ago from the US.
They are Black Americans.
When they first went into immigration here in Budapest they were sent over to the refugee building!
They were totally confused and a bit angry that just because they are black they were considered refugees.
All good now although they seem to always have to go into immigration every once in awhile for something or other.
Think their only given a visa to stay for as long as their apt. lease is good.
I read a bit about the hassles with paperwork you posted with your home country.
Hate to say it but I sort of think getting married is your best option at this point.
I'm no expert of course.
My son hadn't planned on marrying his Japanese wife at first either but US immigration gave her such a hard time when she tried to enter the US on her 3rd visit to the US to see my son. They took her in a room for hours, gave her the 3rd degree about why she was visiting the US 3 times in one year. My son was given the choice of marrying her that trip or she was never going to visit him again.
Been together now for over 9 years so guess it was meant to be after all.
Don't let the word married freak you out, it isn't all that bad, actually it is nice.

Not so much on (permanent) residence visa or not, but as mentioned I am a bit conservative, conceiving a child and being in the dark of being able to stay (although I have to say if you can extend year by year this should also be fine). Nevertheless giving your girlfriend and child some security is the first thing (being married with a good position and salary will not only help them but also you(in acquiring a permanent residence (I still do not understand why that is so important rather then supporting your GF and child).
If your GF has changed her mind, probably good for her to get rid of the contact, in this case for you as an excellent salesman with a multinational company there must be many opportunities in the EU where things might be more easy although I am surprised/shocked that for Hungary unlike other Schengen countries are so difficult.
The only reason for me not to marry is that your GF says she does not want to, having said that I can not imagine why, unmarried mothers in Hungary (with a child (of mixed race)) will have a difficult time.
I myself am Dutch and the climate towards gays, unmarried mothers, other races, ... is much more liberal (sometimes good sometimes definitely not).
If there is no real connection with GF you could consider a move to eg the Netherlands (they are VERY open and in general many positions (especially for good people are open))

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Immigration is a hard dept. to deal with.
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My son hadn't planned on marrying his Japanese wife at first either but US immigration gave her such a hard time when she tried to enter the US on her 3rd visit to the US to see my son. They took her in a room for hours, gave her the 3rd degree about why she was visiting the US 3 times in one year. My son was given the choice of marrying her that trip or she was never going to visit him again.
Been together now for over 9 years so guess it was meant to be after all.
Don't let the word married freak you out, it isn't all that bad, actually it is nice.

Oh, don't let's start on US immigration. It is notorious for its impolite - aka rude and nasty - treatment of visitors.  Even if you transit the USA  you have to go through immigration which is absurd - nowhere else does that.  I don't know if they hire people who are annoyed and nasty with everyone or if they train them especially for the McJob of looking at a passport.  I try to avoid passing through the USA at any time. Sometimes though, it's just not possible, especially to the Caribbean.  All that paranoia, jeez.

Anyway, the UK immigration is generally nicer if you fit the profile - USA, Canada, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ etc can use the machines to enter but it doesn't work quite so nicely for others.   If you don't  fit the profile then you're likely to get the US style hassle.  And if you come from Africa or somewhere like Bangladesh, then you've a bit of a wait. 

Mrs Fluffy used to get hassled going to the UK but that all stopped on EU accession. But of course, it's all going to come back again come Jan 2021.  And I'm likely to get it coming in here.

Oh yes, and married isn't such a big deal.   Mrs Fluffy and I only got married so our kids would be British and Hungarian citizens. If we were not married they would have been Hungarians only.  I think the law is different now, but that was the situation at the time.

cdw057 wrote:

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If your GF has changed her mind, probably good for her to get rid of the contact, in this case for you as an excellent salesman with a multinational company there must be many opportunities in the EU where things might be more easy although I am surprised/shocked that for Hungary unlike other Schengen countries are so difficult.
The only reason for me not to marry is that your GF says she does not want to, having said that I can not imagine why, unmarried mothers in Hungary (with a child (of mixed race)) will have a difficult time.
I myself am Dutch and the climate towards gays, unmarried mothers, other races, ... is much more liberal (sometimes good sometimes definitely not).
If there is no real connection with GF you could consider a move to eg the Netherlands (they are VERY open and in general many positions (especially for good people are open))

This will be somewhat off topic.

It's just a replay of scenarios previously.   Immigrants cannot vote and they are not organised against being cast as the evil cause where all bad things come from.  When the economy is down, it's the same story - oh, those immigrants coming in and taking our jobs and so on.  Of course they don't mean their immediate immigrant friends and family but all the others getting money from the state and "living the high life".   

People like O1G (Orban), Trump and Salvini are perfect examples of seaching for a enemy to boost their domestic political power.   You can see it in the news - O1G and "the Soros plan", Trump builds a wall with Mexico  and Salvini not letting the refugee rescue boats land in Italy.  We've seen it all before - demonise someone and use it to build divisions to remain in power.  In the extreme case, and risking falling into Godwin's law, it ended with the Final Solution.

The odd thing here is O1G giving citizenship to the HU diaspora in the surrounding countries.  His argument is they are Hungarians displaced into the other countries by the Treaty of Trianon and therefore not immigrants.   And of course, they all vote for him come election time as they have their nice new HU passports. 

Interesting thing about NL is that openness and "leven en het leven" (live and let live) attitude.  I lived in NL several times for a few years at a time. Even one of my kids was born there.  If it wasn't for the weather, I'd be happy to live there again and I'd definitely agree it's worth consideration for anyone wanting to find a European place to live.  Failing that, Germany - they integrated the East very efficiently (I was there when they did it) and they took in 1M refugees.  Sure there are problems with the 1M but a generation or two and it will be hard to tell who is different.    We're all immigrants one way or another.

Yay for NL and DE!

On the off topic topic (perhaps it even deserves another thread) , do not get me wrong I am Dutch indeed, sometimes ashamed, sometimes proud, very much depends on the topic.

The Dutch society is in general very effective and fair, taxes are not (for me it would financially difficult to live there (that is what upsets me most, I have worked very very hard for 30+ years (a big part in the Netherlands) mostly for 12-14 hours per day, so I saved something and decided to go on early retirement (on my own expense, I do not ask for hand-outs, employment benefits or other). Still if you live in the Netherlands you have to pay taxes on what you have saved, huge taxes on own property (for the right of living there), huge community taxes. (the before not linked to what you earn but on what you have).
I did not make use of any of the benefits but paid taxes into the social security system (which is fine as a concept).
Bottom line I can not afford to do this, in Hungary as a (semi-pensioner) taxes are very limited.

Still the Netherlands have very good points as well, the social security system is excellent, good health care, taking care well of mentally disabled (this one is really good), taking care of the elderly (etc etc), I do not know for how long this can be maintained though.

Crime and asocial behavior is very much on the rise though (things which would not be possible in Hungary).  In the town I grew up recently a 73 year old guy was kicked to DEATH by five minors (probably because he mentioned something about wearing (or not) face masks). No real punishment to be expected 2 or 3 years under social observation, cleaning the parks for a few hours and that is it. In general many crimes.

Bottom line, yes for the Netherlands in many things, but increasing crime and taxes are really putting me off.
Many things to say against Hungary, but in any case I am not being afraid to walk on the street.(even if I do not in these Corona times).

As a last side note (when I last lived in the Netherlands I lived in an apartment building with 10 apartments on my floor (50% of them gay !!), in general I think gays are friendly and sociable (although there was one with some dogs and creating a lot of noise and other disturbances (probably the reason he did not have partner unlike the others), but then again gays are also normal in a way (some good, some not).
It really made me think, being gay is that in the genes or do men (or women) just get tired of the opposite sex (I do not know). The only thing I do know is that most of the gays (who admit they are) live in the Netherlands (and repeating myself in general good people).

With regards to other races, I do have many acquaintances who are not white and I appreciate and often even like them, the only thing I can say is that there are many criminals in this world, white, black, Asian. In my opinion even if there are Asian criminals, Asians in general appear to me the most likable and trustworthy people. (Please note I am white)

I do not want and I am not negative vs Hungary, all countries have pluses and minuses, Hungary has many pluses as well (one of the reasons to be here in the first place). That would be yet another thread though.

cdw057 wrote:

in general I think gays are friendly and sociable (although there was one with some dogs and creating a lot of noise and other disturbances

That one must have been a fag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyKBFCd_u4

cdw057 wrote:

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Bottom line, yes for the Netherlands in many things, but increasing crime and taxes are really putting me off. ...

Many things to say against Hungary, but in any case I am not being afraid to walk on the street.(even if I do not in these Corona times).

It really made me think, being gay is that in the genes or do men (or women) just get tired of the opposite sex (I do not know). The only thing I do know is that most of the gays (who admit they are) live in the Netherlands (and repeating myself in general good people).

With regards to other races, I do have many acquaintances who are not white and I appreciate and often even like them, the only thing I can say is that there are many criminals in this world, white, black, Asian. In my opinion even if there are Asian criminals, Asians in general appear to me the most likable and trustworthy people. (Please note I am white)

I do not want and I am not negative vs Hungary, all countries have pluses and minuses, Hungary has many pluses as well (one of the reasons to be here in the first place). That would be yet another thread though.

For sure NL costs a fortune in taxes etc but then you get looked after more properly than elsewhere - i.e. here.  If you are old, with dementia and no relatives, you are totally screwed.

Just like anywhere, it's not all sweetness and light here at all.  There is lots of crime here but usually it's small scale.  However people get murdered and dumped in the Danube all the time.   For some reason they are always in suitcases - presumably weighed down with some bricks.  Some years back some robbers shot all the staff in an Erste Bank branch - about 10 or 11 people.  Not at all clear why other than the money.  And in another one someone bombed a Chinese restaurant in Budapest and killed the owner's wife and child.  And in the 1990s I remember some criminals tried to assassinate another gang member in the middle of Budapest and killed someone who was just walking past.  Blew them up in a street parallel to the main walking street. And years ago, when Mrs Fluffy was much younger, she told me she knew a guy down near Romania who killed his wife, chopped her up and hid the parts in the roof space for some years.  He said she'd run away with a guy.  I think he evaded capture for some time.   

To keep on topic, In my own country, being gay  and coming from the wrong country, can get someone asylum because one's life would be at risk if returned to the original country.  It's as good a reason as any to claim to be in danger.  How one would prove definitively gayness I have no idea.

atomheart wrote:

cdw057 wrote:

in general I think gays are friendly and sociable (although there was one with some dogs and creating a lot of noise and other disturbances

That one must have been a fag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyKBFCd_u4

That's very Americano. 

It's being off  topic - nobody in their right mind would own a Harley these days, even gay people. Harley Davidson even pulled out of India and left the market to Royal Enfield.  They are very popular and solid bikes.  Even Jay Leno owns some!

Anyway, a fag in the UK is slang for a cigarette.  Faggot would be more correct in British English but really it's a type of meatball.  What meatballs have to do with gay people, who can say.

Hi everyone,

We are getting off topic.

Can we please focus on the subject of this thread which is "National Permanent Residence Permit" ?

Thanking you for your understanding,

Priscilla
Expat.com Team

Priscilla wrote:

Hi everyone,

We are getting off topic.

Can we please focus on the subject of this thread which is "National Permanent Residence Permit" ?

Thanking you for your understanding,

Priscilla
Expat.com Team

Welcome back Priscilla.