Temporary Residence Card ??? What is it good for ????

Keith+Phuong wrote:

Hi Ciambella, If the hotels dont inform the police that you are staying with them for a few nights, how would they find you, they would need to call every hotel / place of accommodation in Vietnam!.
My wife is in the family book in Hanoi, but i am not in the book ,didn't know i could be, i thought the family (red book) was for Vietnamese only. thanks for your help i will read your post "Tam Tru Tam Vang" ,how will i find it ?.

The police inspect hotel registration books periodically (I don't know how often).  In between inspections, it's the hotels' duty to inform the police if they're suspicious of the guests or the guests' passports. If you're under suspicion, the police will know where to find you. 

I know you're not in the family book; my question was rhetorical just to stress the point that it doesn't matter that you own the house, you're still the guest, and guests don't have an official residence to change when they move.  As long as you're a VEC holder and as long as you live in a property which your wife owns (versus a hotel or an apartment owned by someone else), she's the person who must register your stay.

This was what I wrote about Tạm Trú Tạm Vắng:

The laws indicates that although citizens have the right to freedom of residence, any change of residence must be registered.  Also, a person is only allowed to register for permanent residence (family book) in one place and temporary residence in another place, and temporary residence registration must be available to present to the authority at all time.

That law is known in common term as "Tạm Trú Tạm Vắng" (temporary stay [from a] temporary absence).  If a Vietnamese must report his change from a permanent residence to a temporary residence, then a foreigner absolutely must register his arrival in one city then register again when he moves to another city.  "

If your wife doesn't do anything in Nha Trang (opening a business, buying a vehicle/ property, taking in renters, enrolling in school, being hired as an employee -- in short, anything that involved paperwork) then she doesn't need to report Nha Trang as her temporary residence.  But if she has any of the activities that requires filling out paperwork, then she must register her temporary residence.

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Keith+Phuong wrote:

I even went last year to buy a new motor bike in Nha Trang ,but couldn't because i am registered as living in Hanoi. An Expat mate of mine had the same problem, He lives in Da Nang while registered as living in Hanoi ,he had to go to Hanoi buy a motor bike and drive it back to Da Nang.

The law says you can buy a vehicle in any city even if you don't have your family book (or in the case of expats, your registration) there but you have to return to the city of your family book or police registration if you want to register the vehicle in your name.

Exception is given to students, soldiers, and police; they can register their vehicles where they go to school or work.

You could buy a motorbike in Nha Trang last year if you wished but you had to return to Hanoi to register it in your name.  Now that you live in Nha Trang, after your wife register your stay with the local police, you can buy a motorbike in any city and register it in Nha Trang.

colinoscapee wrote:

myvietnam wrote:

"Do it yourself, its quite easy. All you are doing is paying millions of vnd for an agent to drop it off and collect it."
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... except that CT Immi refuse to do it w/o we go back to ST and get some letter from Police to give (even though we have letter/form from Police here (CT))

Do it where you are registered. I have done two TRC's it is not difficult.

we are registered in Can Tho; but Can Tho Immi office refuse to do w/o we (go and) get a letter from Soc Trang police to say we live there one year (even though we are registered with police here)

(apparently everyone say Can Tho Immi are totally hopeless)

possibly we could go to HCM, but i think my wife is too anxious about time, and lacks confidence/knowledge to do that in HCM, and then there are all the associated costs of travel, accommodation and meals (when we get paperwork for marriage, it took a week of travel and hotels in HCM) ... so just as/more easy/cheap to get agent to do it (even though it is a rip-off).

but a great visa agent contact would be most helpful

kindest

myvietnam wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

myvietnam wrote:

"Do it yourself, its quite easy. All you are doing is paying millions of vnd for an agent to drop it off and collect it."
=====

... except that CT Immi refuse to do it w/o we go back to ST and get some letter from Police to give (even though we have letter/form from Police here (CT))

Do it where you are registered. I have done two TRC's it is not difficult.

we are registered in Can Tho; but Can Tho Immi office refuse to do w/o we (go and) get a letter from Soc Trang police to say we live there one year (even though we are registered with police here)

(apparently everyone say Can Tho Immi are totally hopeless)

possibly we could go to HCM, but i think my wife is too anxious about time, and lacks confidence/knowledge to do that in HCM, and then there are all the associated costs of travel, accommodation and meals (when we get paperwork for marriage, it took a week of travel and hotels in HCM) ... so just as/more easy/cheap to get agent to do it (even though it is a rip-off).

but a great visa agent contact would be most helpful

kindest

From experience it depends who serve you. In HCM one immigration counter say no, so wait five minutes for lunch and approach the next counter and she stamp all docs and take payment and go back the following week all done.

It would appear agents have inside contacts who get commission from each agent application, if immigration officer turn you down they know they get money from visa agent as a bonus for accepting your application another day

myvietnam wrote:

(apparently everyone say Can Tho Immi are totally hopeless)

,,,,,,,,,,,but a great visa agent contact would be most helpful

kindest

What's wrong?      Usually people are quick to recommend their favored immigration agent.     Although both a VEC or a TRC should be easy for a Vietnamese speaker along with a local spouse to negotiate, it is plausible that it would be difficult if one lived in a different city.

Thank you Ciambella: For the great information , My wife is a very clever girl ,but lazy she reads the law and interoperates it for me very well . But most of the time i have to ask more than twice and it often ends in an argument.

Ciambella wrote:

Keith+Phuong wrote:

Hi Ciambella, If the hotels dont inform the police that you are staying with them for a few nights, how would they find you, they would need to call every hotel / place of accommodation in Vietnam!.
My wife is in the family book in Hanoi, but i am not in the book ,didn't know i could be, i thought the family (red book) was for Vietnamese only. thanks for your help i will read your post "Tam Tru Tam Vang" ,how will i find it ?.

The police inspect hotel registration books periodically (I don't know how often).  In between inspections, it's the hotels' duty to inform the police if they're suspicious of the guests or the guests' passports. If you're under suspicion, the police will know where to find you. 

I know you're not in the family book; my question was rhetorical just to stress the point that it doesn't matter that you own the house, you're still the guest, and guests don't have an official residence to change when they move.  As long as you're a VEC holder and as long as you live in a property which your wife owns (versus a hotel or an apartment owned by someone else), she's the person who must register your stay.

This was what I wrote about Tạm Trú Tạm Vắng:

The laws indicates that although citizens have the right to freedom of residence, any change of residence must be registered.  Also, a person is only allowed to register for permanent residence (family book) in one place and temporary residence in another place, and temporary residence registration must be available to present to the authority at all time.

That law is known in common term as "Tạm Trú Tạm Vắng" (temporary stay [from a] temporary absence).  If a Vietnamese must report his change from a permanent residence to a temporary residence, then a foreigner absolutely must register his arrival in one city then register again when he moves to another city.  "

If your wife doesn't do anything in Nha Trang (opening a business, buying a vehicle/ property, taking in renters, enrolling in school, being hired as an employee -- in short, anything that involved paperwork) then she doesn't need to report Nha Trang as her temporary residence.  But if she has any of the activities that requires filling out paperwork, then she must register her temporary residence.

Thank you Ciambella: For the great information , My wife is a very clever girl ,but lazy she reads the law and interoperates it for me very well . But most of the time i have to ask more than twice and it often ends in an argument.

Jlgarbutt wrote:

myvietnam wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Do it where you are registered. I have done two TRC's it is not difficult.

we are registered in Can Tho; but Can Tho Immi office refuse to do w/o we (go and) get a letter from Soc Trang police to say we live there one year (even though we are registered with police here)

(apparently everyone say Can Tho Immi are totally hopeless)

possibly we could go to HCM, but i think my wife is too anxious about time, and lacks confidence/knowledge to do that in HCM, and then there are all the associated costs of travel, accommodation and meals (when we get paperwork for marriage, it took a week of travel and hotels in HCM) ... so just as/more easy/cheap to get agent to do it (even though it is a rip-off).

but a great visa agent contact would be most helpful

kindest

From experience it depends who serve you. In HCM one immigration counter say no, so wait five minutes for lunch and approach the next counter and she stamp all docs and take payment and go back the following week all done.

It would appear agents have inside contacts who get commission from each agent application, if immigration officer turn you down they know they get money from visa agent as a bonus for accepting your application another day

Agree. But it make life difficult. In Can Tho, we got two different stories, i forget what the 1st said they wanted. but my wife won't go back again to see if someone will agree (in my experience, Viet hate making waves or losing face.)

Ciambella wrote:

or print out extra copies yourself (not allowed supposedly, but it's just a blank form poorly printed by the government, your printer can probably do a better job).

I was unsuccessful in doing this.  I printed the PDF from the government webpage, filled it out and signed it.  For some unkown reason they would not accept it and made my wife bring home the "official" form because the "official" PDF on the website apparently isn't "official" enough.

EDIT:

Now that I think about it, I don't think it was the NA5 that was a problem.  I think it was the paper that she needed to take to the police to register my address for residency.

SteinNebraska wrote:

EDIT:

Now that I think about it, I don't think it was the NA5 that was a problem.