Won't be long till the tourists are back in Vietnam.

THIGV wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

yup a lot of if's there right enough

You can say a lot of things about Ken Duong but you certainly can't say that he is not an optimist.     There is a quote that says people will believe a lot if their living depends on it, or words to that effect.  His living depends on helping people, Vietnamese Americans in particular, move to Vietnam.

I listen to his live presentations and he predicted 15 Jan as the possible opening date several weeks ago. His business does depend on giving accurate information but some are his predictions which may or may not come to fruition.

An article confirms what I said, no tourists will pay to be in jail : https://e.vnexpress.net/news/travel/wes … 57364.html

Erikji wrote:

An article confirms what I said, no tourists will pay to be in jail : https://e.vnexpress.net/news/travel/wes … 57364.html

I said this a few days ago that the no mixing with the locals, separate areas it would be a nightmare trying to share reception, pool, dining etc,,, and no one wants to be loaded through the back door of a hotel and kept out of sight.

People have already complained about quarantine hotels this just sounds like Vacation Hell.

IMO it would be better making hotels just for tourists and they can have free run of the place, but that's also problematic if you want to go walking around the markets etc, beach, cable car, theme park.

I cant see it working logistically making the tourists happy and keeping them separate.

I spent 13 years working in a jail,,, and Phu Quoc 3 -5 stars with pool service and cocktails really? that's a bit unfair.

Many countries have been open since last year without requiring quarantine. I'm not sure why Asian countries think they need different rules.

Right now, I have a choice of flying to Mexico...

("International travel to Mexico is permitted. There are currently no requirements in place, such as quarantine or health testing.

Other medical measures
All passengers are subject to health screening on arrival, such as temperature checks and visual assessment. Further health testing or quarantine may be required for those displaying symptoms of COVID-19.")

...or Albania, where currently a PCR test, certificate of vaccination or proof of recovery are required for entry because cases are on the rise there. Before Sept 01, they were fully open similar to Mexico.

Those are just two examples.

As for Phu Quoc, it seems to be losing its luster:

Vietnam’s biggest island long held onto a seductive image as the country’s ‘last paradise.’ Then came the clubs, a casino, and a safari.

The website of the US embassy in Albania contradicts your assertion.  It states:
“Enhanced screening and quarantine measures are being implemented. Travelers should be prepared for travel restrictions to be put into effect with little or no advance notice.”
https://al.usembassy.gov/updates_covid19/

johnross23 wrote:

Many countries have been open since last year without requiring quarantine. I'm not sure why Asian countries think they need different rules.

Right now, I have a choice of flying to Mexico...

("International travel to Mexico is permitted. There are currently no requirements in place, such as quarantine or health testing.

Other medical measures
All passengers are subject to health screening on arrival, such as temperature checks and visual assessment. Further health testing or quarantine may be required for those displaying symptoms of COVID-19.")

...or Albania, where currently a PCR test, certificate of vaccination or proof of recovery are required for entry because cases are on the rise there. Before Sept 01, they were fully open similar to Mexico.

Those are just two examples.

As for Phu Quoc, it seems to be losing its luster:

Vietnam’s biggest island long held onto a seductive image as the country’s ‘last paradise.’ Then came the clubs, a casino, and a safari.

If you're so disappointed with the governments attempts to tackle covid I'm sure your embassy will point you in the right direction to find a flight back home.

You have to remember Vietnam is not a rich country bas does not have the means immediately available to vaccinate everyone so logically the end step is to limit the rate of spread using lockdowns and quarantined remember this time last year when numbers of cases here was among the lowest in the world? Then they allowed specialists to fly in, and illegal cross border entries all played a part in the current situation.

What would you they do? Open the borders and let thousands more die?

Then UK claims to have vaccinated 85% of the population, eased quarantine and opened up most business and still records 26,000+ new cases each day with deaths nearly always over 100 per day.

Lockdown and quarantine doesn't suit any of us, just be grateful you're still alive and healthy

Jlgarbutt wrote:

johnross23 wrote:

Many countries have been open since last year without requiring quarantine. I'm not sure why Asian countries think they need different rules.

Right now, I have a choice of flying to Mexico...

("International travel to Mexico is permitted. There are currently no requirements in place, such as quarantine or health testing.

Other medical measures
All passengers are subject to health screening on arrival, such as temperature checks and visual assessment. Further health testing or quarantine may be required for those displaying symptoms of COVID-19.")

...or Albania, where currently a PCR test, certificate of vaccination or proof of recovery are required for entry because cases are on the rise there. Before Sept 01, they were fully open similar to Mexico.

Those are just two examples.

As for Phu Quoc, it seems to be losing its luster:

Vietnam’s biggest island long held onto a seductive image as the country’s ‘last paradise.’ Then came the clubs, a casino, and a safari.

If you're so disappointed with the governments attempts to tackle covid I'm sure your embassy will point you in the right direction to find a flight back home.

You have to remember Vietnam is not a rich country bas does not have the means immediately available to vaccinate everyone so logically the end step is to limit the rate of spread using lockdowns and quarantined remember this time last year when numbers of cases here was among the lowest in the world? Then they allowed specialists to fly in, and illegal cross border entries all played a part in the current situation.

What would you they do? Open the borders and let thousands more die?

Then UK claims to have vaccinated 85% of the population, eased quarantine and opened up most business and still records 26,000+ new cases each day with deaths nearly always over 100 per day.

Lockdown and quarantine doesn't suit any of us, just be grateful you're still alive and healthy

Actually, I was complaining about the government's handling of the current outbreak in VN, which I think has been quite adequate given the circumstances and is beginning to show signs of success. Yes, I am grateful that things are as good as they are.

What I was commenting on is the fact that ASIAN nations have not yet formulated an effective plan to open up while many other countries have succeeded in doing so long ago. Of course, circumstances are different for every country, for example the population of Albania is tiny compared to VN, and your points about increased cases/deaths are certainly valid.

Still, the countries in this region might want to take a look at how other countries have opened up to international flights and tourism and learn from their success and failures if they would like be competitive. People are eager to travel but they have a fair number of options to choose from.

johnross23 wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

johnross23 wrote:

Many countries have been open since last year without requiring quarantine. I'm not sure why Asian countries think they need different rules.

Right now, I have a choice of flying to Mexico...

("International travel to Mexico is permitted. There are currently no requirements in place, such as quarantine or health testing.

Other medical measures
All passengers are subject to health screening on arrival, such as temperature checks and visual assessment. Further health testing or quarantine may be required for those displaying symptoms of COVID-19.")

...or Albania, where currently a PCR test, certificate of vaccination or proof of recovery are required for entry because cases are on the rise there. Before Sept 01, they were fully open similar to Mexico.

Those are just two examples.

As for Phu Quoc, it seems to be losing its luster:

Vietnam’s biggest island long held onto a seductive image as the country’s ‘last paradise.’ Then came the clubs, a casino, and a safari.

If you're so disappointed with the governments attempts to tackle covid I'm sure your embassy will point you in the right direction to find a flight back home.

You have to remember Vietnam is not a rich country bas does not have the means immediately available to vaccinate everyone so logically the end step is to limit the rate of spread using lockdowns and quarantined remember this time last year when numbers of cases here was among the lowest in the world? Then they allowed specialists to fly in, and illegal cross border entries all played a part in the current situation.

What would you they do? Open the borders and let thousands more die?

Then UK claims to have vaccinated 85% of the population, eased quarantine and opened up most business and still records 26,000+ new cases each day with deaths nearly always over 100 per day.

Lockdown and quarantine doesn't suit any of us, just be grateful you're still alive and healthy

Actually, I was complaining about the government's handling of the current outbreak in VN, which I think has been quite adequate given the circumstances and is beginning to show signs of success. Yes, I am grateful that things are as good as they are.

What I was commenting on is the inability of ASIAN nations to formulate an effective plan to open up while many other countries have succeeded in doing so long ago. Of course, circumstances are different for every country, for example the population of Albania is tiny compared to VN, and your points about increased cases/deaths are certainly valid.

Still, the countries in this region might want to take a look at how other countries have opened up to international flights and tourism and learn from their success and failures if they would like be competitive. People are eager to travel but they have a fair number of options to choose from.

Albania & Mexico - I'll stay home thanks.

johnross23 wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

johnross23 wrote:

Many countries have been open since last year without requiring quarantine. I'm not sure why Asian countries think they need different rules.

Right now, I have a choice of flying to Mexico...

("International travel to Mexico is permitted. There are currently no requirements in place, such as quarantine or health testing.

Other medical measures
All passengers are subject to health screening on arrival, such as temperature checks and visual assessment. Further health testing or quarantine may be required for those displaying symptoms of COVID-19.")

...or Albania, where currently a PCR test, certificate of vaccination or proof of recovery are required for entry because cases are on the rise there. Before Sept 01, they were fully open similar to Mexico.

Those are just two examples.

As for Phu Quoc, it seems to be losing its luster:

Vietnam’s biggest island long held onto a seductive image as the country’s ‘last paradise.’ Then came the clubs, a casino, and a safari.

If you're so disappointed with the governments attempts to tackle covid I'm sure your embassy will point you in the right direction to find a flight back home.

You have to remember Vietnam is not a rich country bas does not have the means immediately available to vaccinate everyone so logically the end step is to limit the rate of spread using lockdowns and quarantined remember this time last year when numbers of cases here was among the lowest in the world? Then they allowed specialists to fly in, and illegal cross border entries all played a part in the current situation.

What would you they do? Open the borders and let thousands more die?

Then UK claims to have vaccinated 85% of the population, eased quarantine and opened up most business and still records 26,000+ new cases each day with deaths nearly always over 100 per day.

Lockdown and quarantine doesn't suit any of us, just be grateful you're still alive and healthy

Actually, I was complaining about the government's handling of the current outbreak in VN, which I think has been quite adequate given the circumstances and is beginning to show signs of success. Yes, I am grateful that things are as good as they are.

What I was commenting on is the inability of ASIAN nations to formulate an effective plan to open up while many other countries have succeeded in doing so long ago. Of course, circumstances are different for every country, for example the population of Albania is tiny compared to VN, and your points about increased cases/deaths are certainly valid.

Still, the countries in this region might want to take a look at how other countries have opened up to international flights and tourism and learn from their success and failures if they would like be competitive. People are eager to travel but they have a fair number of options to choose from.

Cold harsh realities.. open border without quarantine and risk more covid cases.. more potential deaths.

A large number of cases here have been traced back to foreign travel or the arrival nor immigrants across the borders with no checks.

Suprise !
Phu Quoc not ready for foreign tourists next month

https://e.vnexpress.net/news/travel/pla … 60368.html

pogiwayne wrote:

THIGV wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

yup a lot of if's there right enough

You can say a lot of things about Ken Duong but you certainly can't say that he is not an optimist.     There is a quote that says people will believe a lot if their living depends on it, or words to that effect.  His living depends on helping people, Vietnamese Americans in particular, move to Vietnam.

I listen to his live presentations and he predicted 15 Jan as the possible opening date several weeks ago. His business does depend on giving accurate information but some are his predictions which may or may not come to fruition.

If it gets to January 15 I can't see VN not waiting until at least after TET.  No reason to let a bunch of locals go out of the country and potentially bring more back in.  Myself, I'm thinking that come next summer I MAY be able to make a return trip without a quarantine.

SteinNebraska wrote:

If it gets to January 15 I can't see VN not waiting until at least after TET.  No reason to let a bunch of locals go out of the country and potentially bring more back in.

Hanoi made the mistake of lifting the restrictions too soon, and thousands of families poured into the Old Quarter to celebrate Mid Autumn Festival on Tuesday evening.  Let’s see the number
of new cases to be found there next week.

.

SteinNebraska wrote:

pogiwayne wrote:

THIGV wrote:

You can say a lot of things about Ken Duong but you certainly can't say that he is not an optimist.     There is a quote that says people will believe a lot if their living depends on it, or words to that effect.  His living depends on helping people, Vietnamese Americans in particular, move to Vietnam.

I listen to his live presentations and he predicted 15 Jan as the possible opening date several weeks ago. His business does depend on giving accurate information but some are his predictions which may or may not come to fruition.

If it gets to January 15 I can't see VN not waiting until at least after TET.  No reason to let a bunch of locals go out of the country and potentially bring more back in.  Myself, I'm thinking that come next summer I MAY be able to make a return trip without a quarantine.

Hey John how ya going buddy?
Nice to see you on the forum, boy oh boy did you miss a heap of swizzle sticks up your nose, hope you are both doing well.

Ciambella wrote:

SteinNebraska wrote:

If it gets to January 15 I can't see VN not waiting until at least after TET.  No reason to let a bunch of locals go out of the country and potentially bring more back in.

Hanoi made the mistake of lifting the restrictions too soon, and thousands of families poured into the Old Quarter to celebrate Mid Autumn Festival on Tuesday evening.  Let’s see the number
of new cases to be found there next week.

Sounds a bit like our "shopping spree" of just about all of HCMC going out a month ago when they said they were going to lock us down for 2 weeks.

Phu Quoc opened up and had a new cluster within a week.

Hi everyone,

Please note that a few posts have been removed from this thread.

As a reminder, please post only in English on this English speaking forum.
No foul language is allowed here.

Thank you,

Priscilla
Expat.com Team

Priscilla wrote:

Hi everyone,

Please note that a few posts have been removed from this thread.

As a reminder, please post only in English on this English speaking forum.
No foul language is allowed here.

Thank you,

Priscilla
Expat.com Team

How about removing that survey popup, Priscilla.

colinoscapee wrote:

Priscilla wrote:

Hi everyone,

Please note that a few posts have been removed from this thread.

As a reminder, please post only in English on this English speaking forum.
No foul language is allowed here.

Thank you,

Priscilla
Expat.com Team

How about removing that survey popup, Priscilla.

Yes I agree.. every post I look at.. surveymonkey pops up asking about cost of living. Surely someone has placed this here and not just spamming

Jlgarbutt wrote:

johnross23 wrote:

Many countries have been open since last year without requiring quarantine. I'm not sure why Asian countries think they need different rules.

Right now, I have a choice of flying to Mexico...

("International travel to Mexico is permitted. There are currently no requirements in place, such as quarantine or health testing.

Other medical measures
All passengers are subject to health screening on arrival, such as temperature checks and visual assessment. Further health testing or quarantine may be required for those displaying symptoms of COVID-19.")

...or Albania, where currently a PCR test, certificate of vaccination or proof of recovery are required for entry because cases are on the rise there. Before Sept 01, they were fully open similar to Mexico.

Those are just two examples.

As for Phu Quoc, it seems to be losing its luster:

Vietnam’s biggest island long held onto a seductive image as the country’s ‘last paradise.’ Then came the clubs, a casino, and a safari.

If you're so disappointed with the governments attempts to tackle covid I'm sure your embassy will point you in the right direction to find a flight back home.

You have to remember Vietnam is not a rich country bas does not have the means immediately available to vaccinate everyone so logically the end step is to limit the rate of spread using lockdowns and quarantined remember this time last year when numbers of cases here was among the lowest in the world? Then they allowed specialists to fly in, and illegal cross border entries all played a part in the current situation.

What would you they do? Open the borders and let thousands more die?

Then UK claims to have vaccinated 85% of the population, eased quarantine and opened up most business and still records 26,000+ new cases each day with deaths nearly always over 100 per day.

Lockdown and quarantine doesn't suit any of us, just be grateful you're still alive and healthy

You are leaving something very significant out of your equations.

Around the world there are complaints that the rich people are getting vaccinated but the poor people aren't.

As you mentioned, that's more likely to be seen in Vietnam where there are still great levels of poverty, both regionally as well as in the overall National demographics.

But don't forget about those rich people.

During the outbreaks last winter and spring, virtually all of those specialists who were being admitted were not vaccinated.

And of course those crossing the borders illegally were certainly not vaccinated.

But now, like it or not, the rich capitalist imperialists not only have money to spend and time to spend it but they are almost always vaccinated, and in some cases have received vaccine boosters.

At least Thailand understands this with the Phuket sandbox.

So it's a whole different situation globally amongst those who are wealthy enough to travel to and visit Vietnam.

There really isn't any excuse anymore to keep fully vaccinated people out of the country, nor is there any justification for a lengthy quarantine.

Just as they have been doing with the Phuket sandbox, a test before travel and a test on arrival should be enough of a requirement.

I have some small sense of what you've been going through during lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, having gone through something similar last summer in Danang.

It's a major transition to evolve away from a bunker mentality.

But please don't allow that to keep you from seeing the logic in relaxing restrictions on fully vaccinated international travelers.

And please ease up on John Ross.

He has to be one of the nicest and kindest expats I've ever met in Vietnam.

You seem to be a very intelligent person and I think you are capable of making your arguments without devolving into ad hominem attacks.

Implying that you somehow have more gratitude for the actions of the government than he does, and suggesting that he ought to leave is simply inappropriate.

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

johnross23 wrote:

Many countries have been open since last year without requiring quarantine. I'm not sure why Asian countries think they need different rules.

Right now, I have a choice of flying to Mexico...

("International travel to Mexico is permitted. There are currently no requirements in place, such as quarantine or health testing.

Other medical measures
All passengers are subject to health screening on arrival, such as temperature checks and visual assessment. Further health testing or quarantine may be required for those displaying symptoms of COVID-19.")

...or Albania, where currently a PCR test, certificate of vaccination or proof of recovery are required for entry because cases are on the rise there. Before Sept 01, they were fully open similar to Mexico.

Those are just two examples.

As for Phu Quoc, it seems to be losing its luster:

Vietnam’s biggest island long held onto a seductive image as the country’s ‘last paradise.’ Then came the clubs, a casino, and a safari.

If you're so disappointed with the governments attempts to tackle covid I'm sure your embassy will point you in the right direction to find a flight back home.

You have to remember Vietnam is not a rich country bas does not have the means immediately available to vaccinate everyone so logically the end step is to limit the rate of spread using lockdowns and quarantined remember this time last year when numbers of cases here was among the lowest in the world? Then they allowed specialists to fly in, and illegal cross border entries all played a part in the current situation.

What would you they do? Open the borders and let thousands more die?

Then UK claims to have vaccinated 85% of the population, eased quarantine and opened up most business and still records 26,000+ new cases each day with deaths nearly always over 100 per day.

Lockdown and quarantine doesn't suit any of us, just be grateful you're still alive and healthy

You are leaving something very significant out of your equations.

Around the world there are complaints that the rich people are getting vaccinated but the poor people aren't.

As you mentioned, that's more likely to be seen in Vietnam where there are still great levels of poverty, both regionally as well as in the overall National demographics.

But don't forget about those rich people.

During the outbreaks last winter and spring, virtually all of those specialists who were being admitted were not vaccinated.

And of course those crossing the borders illegally were certainly not vaccinated.

But now, like it or not, the rich capitalist imperialists not only have money to spend and time to spend it but they are almost always vaccinated, and in some cases have received vaccine boosters.

At least Thailand understands this with the Phuket sandbox.

So it's a whole different situation globally amongst those who are wealthy enough to travel to and visit Vietnam.

There really isn't any excuse anymore to keep fully vaccinated people out of the country, nor is there any justification for a lengthy quarantine.

Just as they have been doing with the Phuket sandbox, a test before travel and a test on arrival should be enough of a requirement.

I have some small sense of what you've been going through during lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, having gone through something similar last summer in Danang.

It's a major transition to evolve away from a bunker mentality.

But please don't allow that to keep you from seeing the logic in relaxing restrictions on fully vaccinated international travelers.

And please ease up on John Ross.

He has to be one of the nicest and kindest expats I've ever met in Vietnam.

You seem to be a very intelligent person and I think you are capable of making your arguments without devolving into ad hominem attacks.

Implying that you somehow have more gratitude for the actions of the government than he does, and suggesting that he ought to leave is simply inappropriate.

There really isn't any excuse anymore to keep fully vaccinated people out of the country, nor is there any justification for a lengthy quarantine.

This part in particular - vaccine even with boosters doesn't stop you getting covid and passing it a large population who are still unvaccinated.... Rich foreigner or expert can still pass covid on to poorer people with much greater consequences

Jlgarbutt wrote:

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

If you're so disappointed with the governments attempts to tackle covid I'm sure your embassy will point you in the right direction to find a flight back home.

You have to remember Vietnam is not a rich country bas does not have the means immediately available to vaccinate everyone so logically the end step is to limit the rate of spread using lockdowns and quarantined remember this time last year when numbers of cases here was among the lowest in the world? Then they allowed specialists to fly in, and illegal cross border entries all played a part in the current situation.

What would you they do? Open the borders and let thousands more die?

Then UK claims to have vaccinated 85% of the population, eased quarantine and opened up most business and still records 26,000+ new cases each day with deaths nearly always over 100 per day.

Lockdown and quarantine doesn't suit any of us, just be grateful you're still alive and healthy

You are leaving something very significant out of your equations.

Around the world there are complaints that the rich people are getting vaccinated but the poor people aren't.

As you mentioned, that's more likely to be seen in Vietnam where there are still great levels of poverty, both regionally as well as in the overall National demographics.

But don't forget about those rich people.

During the outbreaks last winter and spring, virtually all of those specialists who were being admitted were not vaccinated.

And of course those crossing the borders illegally were certainly not vaccinated.

But now, like it or not, the rich capitalist imperialists not only have money to spend and time to spend it but they are almost always vaccinated, and in some cases have received vaccine boosters.

At least Thailand understands this with the Phuket sandbox.

So it's a whole different situation globally amongst those who are wealthy enough to travel to and visit Vietnam.

There really isn't any excuse anymore to keep fully vaccinated people out of the country, nor is there any justification for a lengthy quarantine.

Just as they have been doing with the Phuket sandbox, a test before travel and a test on arrival should be enough of a requirement.

I have some small sense of what you've been going through during lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, having gone through something similar last summer in Danang.

It's a major transition to evolve away from a bunker mentality.

But please don't allow that to keep you from seeing the logic in relaxing restrictions on fully vaccinated international travelers.

And please ease up on John Ross.

He has to be one of the nicest and kindest expats I've ever met in Vietnam.

You seem to be a very intelligent person and I think you are capable of making your arguments without devolving into ad hominem attacks.

Implying that you somehow have more gratitude for the actions of the government than he does, and suggesting that he ought to leave is simply inappropriate.

There really isn't any excuse anymore to keep fully vaccinated people out of the country, nor is there any justification for a lengthy quarantine.

This part in particular - vaccine even with boosters doesn't stop you getting covid and passing it a large population who are still unvaccinated.... Rich foreigner or expert can still pass covid on to poorer people with much greater consequences

How does the Kool-Aid taste?

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

Jlgarbutt wrote:

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

You are leaving something very significant out of your equations.

Around the world there are complaints that the rich people are getting vaccinated but the poor people aren't.

As you mentioned, that's more likely to be seen in Vietnam where there are still great levels of poverty, both regionally as well as in the overall National demographics.

But don't forget about those rich people.

During the outbreaks last winter and spring, virtually all of those specialists who were being admitted were not vaccinated.

And of course those crossing the borders illegally were certainly not vaccinated.

But now, like it or not, the rich capitalist imperialists not only have money to spend and time to spend it but they are almost always vaccinated, and in some cases have received vaccine boosters.

At least Thailand understands this with the Phuket sandbox.

So it's a whole different situation globally amongst those who are wealthy enough to travel to and visit Vietnam.

There really isn't any excuse anymore to keep fully vaccinated people out of the country, nor is there any justification for a lengthy quarantine.

Just as they have been doing with the Phuket sandbox, a test before travel and a test on arrival should be enough of a requirement.

I have some small sense of what you've been going through during lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, having gone through something similar last summer in Danang.

It's a major transition to evolve away from a bunker mentality.

But please don't allow that to keep you from seeing the logic in relaxing restrictions on fully vaccinated international travelers.

And please ease up on John Ross.

He has to be one of the nicest and kindest expats I've ever met in Vietnam.

You seem to be a very intelligent person and I think you are capable of making your arguments without devolving into ad hominem attacks.

Implying that you somehow have more gratitude for the actions of the government than he does, and suggesting that he ought to leave is simply inappropriate.

There really isn't any excuse anymore to keep fully vaccinated people out of the country, nor is there any justification for a lengthy quarantine.

This part in particular - vaccine even with boosters doesn't stop you getting covid and passing it a large population who are still unvaccinated.... Rich foreigner or expert can still pass covid on to poorer people with much greater consequences

How does the Kool-Aid taste?

Don't know you tell me.. you're the one sipping on the trippy juice....