interview at the federal police in Brazil

Its the same visa I had. You need to register with the policia federal within 90 days of entrance into Brazil (there's a form to complete on their website and to book an appointment) you'll need to pay the fee for issuing the CRNM before you go there as they'll need to see evidence. The first crnm will be valid for one year then you need to apply to renew it.

ok awesome thank you! what is the CRNM? I paid a fee of $290 dollars to the consulate here to issue my visa. Is that the fee your talking about. Or is it another fee in Brazil?

09/16/21

GringaGirl101 wrote:

ok awesome thank you! what is the CRNM? I paid a fee of $290 dollars to the consulate here to issue my visa. Is that the fee your talking about. Or is it another fee in Brazil?

CRNM is the Carteira do Registro Nacional Migratório, your ID card as a foreign permanent resident.  It's a requirement for all resident foreigners.

GringaGirl101 wrote:

Hey everyone, I posted a couple months back and need some information for anyone who's already dealt with applying for residency in Brazil. I recently traveled back to the United States and applied for the VITEM XI visa for Brazil. I got it approved today in the mail at the Brazilian Consulate here in Boston. It says it's good for one year. I'm planning on living in Brazil permanently  for the next six to seven years with my Brazilian husband. They didn't send me any other information??? After the one year, can I get it renewed again? Does it need to be renewed every year or something?

Also, it says it small print on the bottom of the visa that I must register with the Federal Police within the first 90 days of the first entry. I already was aware I would have to check in with the F.P once I got to Brazil with all my documents, but I thought it would be within the FIRST 30 days from when they issued my visa?? Maybe they changed the regulations? Im just wondering if I should buy my plane ticket asap or if I have sometime to go back to Brazil and check in with the F.P?

Any advice would be appreciated
Thank you!!

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Your VITEM XI approval through the Brazilian Consulate is only your first step, of two in obtaining your CRNM, Permanent Residency. Make sure you have your CPF in addition.
Sometime during the one year after the approval of your VITEM XI, you must travel to Brazil and register with the PF. I have never heard of being able to get an extension, but anything is possible. Yes, after your arrival in Brazil you are required to make this registry with PF within 90-days, (please double-check that time frame as mine was required within 30-days) or the process starts over.  The approval of the VITEM XI carries with it the concept that you intend to live in Brazil, now, not just someday in the future, at least that is how they see it. 
The second step is your appointment with the PF. You cannot just drop in for this one and there are specific PF offices that handle this part.  The appointment is easy and fast but required.  This is sort of an interview where you bring your required documents, (I can give you that list) they accept them, photograph you, then approve your RNM, or not.  Yes, they have the power to deny residency on the spot, this is their job.
After the approval, you will need to go your Carterio, notary, in Brazil if you have not already done so.  This is your permanent identification with the Brazil in government.  Either you, or your designated agent, will be able to pick up your CRNM about one month after your PF appointment. Make copies then of everything and always carry a laminated copy of your CRNM while in Brazil while keeping the original very, very secure. It is entirely possible the PF will visit your stated residency location in Brazil to check up on you, to be sure you are actually living in Brazil.  I personally know two people who have had this happen.
Do not forget that the only way to maintain your Residency is to never be out of the country for more than 2-years at one time or your RNM, Permanent Residency, will be automatically invalidated and you will be required to begin the process all over again.
My RNM does not expire, but yours might,.  Also, be sure to stay on top of any required renewals, along with any change of address in Brazil.
Good luck, and congratulations!

edrosamond wrote:

Its the same visa I had. You need to register with the policia federal within 90 days of entrance into Brazil (there's a form to complete on their website and to book an appointment) you'll need to pay the fee for issuing the CRNM before you go there as they'll need to see evidence. The first crnm will be valid for one year then you need to apply to renew it.

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The CRNM validation is not always just for one year, and there is a list of documents the PF requires, including another passport photo, you need to bring to your PF interview appointment.

Congrats, You are your way,
When you arrive you can register unless you have a tight connection.
Yes the CRNM is temporary, but all you need to do is what was stated above.
Good luck. Let us known what happen.

I just received my RNM (permanent residency document) a few months ago. Sounds like you have already completed the hard part. Once you have provided all your apostelized documents, background check, etc. and received your one year visa, you are basically there

Unfortuantely, all they tell you at the U.S. consulate is that you have to report to the Federal Police in Brasil within 90 days upon entering. Kind of leaves you wondering what the next hoop is that you need to jump through.

The great news is that you have jumped though pretty much all the hoops! Once you enter Brazil, go to your nearest Federal Police office. Take someone who speaks English and Portuguese with you if you don't speak fluent Portugese (I didn't). They then look you up on the computer and see that you have been approved for permanent residency (hence the 1 year visa). They will take your picture, finger print you, and then and there issue you a paper permanent residence certificate. DONE! They will tell you to come back in 60 or 90 days. That is only to pick up your permanent, laminated, credit card sized RNM document. You can use your paper certificate or any needs until you get the laminated card.

After that whatever you do in Brazil: buy a car, have an electrical service hooked up, buy real estate etc. requires you to show your RNM card.

Congratualtions! you are all most there. When got my 1 year visa in the Miami Consulate, the peanut gallery actually applauded. Brasillians are nothing if not very serious about their adminstration and documentations. Good luck!

Thank you everyone for all your advice!! The whole process was so much faster dealing with the Brazilian consulate here in the States than actually doing everything in Brazil. Go figure!? I already have everything Apostille and ready to go. (Ive been planning this for over a year now!)  Finger crossed and thank you all again!

jcongleton1 wrote:

I just received my RNM (permanent residency document) a few months ago. Sounds like you have already completed the hard part. Once you have provided all your apostelized documents, background check, etc. and received your one year visa, you are basically there

Unfortuantely, all they tell you at the U.S. consulate is that you have to report to the Federal Police in Brasil within 90 days upon entering. Kind of leaves you wondering what the next hoop is that you need to jump through.

The great news is that you have jumped though pretty much all the hoops! Once you enter Brazil, go to your nearest Federal Police office. Take someone who speaks English and Portuguese with you if you don't speak fluent Portugese (I didn't). They then look you up on the computer and see that you have been approved for permanent residency (hence the 1 year visa). They will take your picture, finger print you, and then and there issue you a paper permanent residence certificate. DONE! They will tell you to come back in 60 or 90 days. That is only to pick up your permanent, laminated, credit card sized RNM document. You can use your paper certificate or any needs until you get the laminated card.

After that whatever you do in Brazil: buy a car, have an electrical service hooked up, buy real estate etc. requires you to show your RNM card.

Congratualtions! you are all most there. When got my 1 year visa in the Miami Consulate, the peanut gallery actually applauded. Brasillians are nothing if not very serious about their adminstration and documentations. Good luck!

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Wow, that was NOT my case last December at all for m,y PF interview, nothing even close or similar.

rraypo wrote:

Wow, that was NOT my case last December at all for m,y PF interview, nothing even close or similar.

It's a new world, at least to a point.

Judging from the latest reports, it sounds like the Federal Police have finally gotten past their growing pains with and questions about the 2017 Law of Migration, and are less worried about making a mistake than they were during the adjustment period, 2018-2019, and into 2020 in some places.  It also appears that their computerization of the process has been a success, and that they're better integrated with the Foreign Ministry, so that the visa process in the Consulates and the residency process at the FP are better aligned.  All good news for arriving expats, especially the ones with the right visas and at least basic computer skills.

Probably not such good news for migrants without computer skills or access, or for those trying to bootstrap a tourist visa into permanent residency in-country.  Every Federal Police office still operates its own way, and every one has different resources, including IT, so the traditional advice to make sure that you have all of your documents in order, apostilled and translated, still applies.  And if you're from a country that is not a party to the Apostille Convention (which, inexplicably, still includes Canada), apostilles are not available, and documents must be legalized at a Brazilian Consulate before coming to Brazil.

Did you have to translate any of your documents in Brazil? I know if you apply for residency WITHIN Brazil you have to have everything translated and then brought to the cartorio (think that's what it is). However, since I decided to just apply here in the U.S at the Brazilian Consulate...there website didn't say anything about translating..just have everything Apostilled??

09/17/21

GringaGirl101 wrote:

Did you have to translate any of your documents in Brazil? I know if you apply for residency WITHIN Brazil you have to have everything translated and then brought to the cartorio (think that's what it is). However, since I decided to just apply here in the U.S at the Brazilian Consulate...there website didn't say anything about translating..just have everything Apostilled??

You'll still need to register with the Federal Police when you get to Brazil and request your CRNM.

Documents to be presented to the Federal Police need to be apostilled by the responsible agency in the United States (the US Department of State for federal documents; the designated state official, usually the Secretary of State, for state, local, and notarized documents) and translated in Brazil by a Sworn Translator.  These are appointed in each Brazilian state, and can be found through an Internet search for any Brazilian city.  There are also some Sworn Translators who will work with PDFs sent to them through the Internet, and return PDF translations that can be printed out and used.

Documents in English presented to a Brazilian Consulate in the United States do not need to be translated.  Federal documents presented to a Consulate do not require apostilles, nor do state and local documents from the states within that Consulate's area of jurisdiction.  I'm not sure about documents from a different jurisdiction.

I used the Consulate in San Francisco last fall.  They were very fast in replying to emails, very courteous, and quite professional.  They never asked for any translations.  When I went to my PF appointment in Sao Paulo, there is/was a list of documents you must bring. All had been approved by the Consulate, and all were accepted in English.

09/17/21

rraypo wrote:

When I went to my PF appointment in Sao Paulo, there is/was a list of documents you must bring. All had been approved by the Consulate, and all were accepted in English.

GringaGirl,

Several people who obtained their visas at consulates more recently are reporting not needing Sworn Translations for the Federal Police, so it should be ok to hold off unless they ask for them.  The translators who work online can turn them around in a couple of days, so even if you run into an officer who insists, it won't slow you down much.

Hello Everyone,

I would be applying for PR(Family Reunion) very soon, from inside Brazil. As I was going through the list of documents required for the application, I came across 2 items that i am getting confused about. 

*Declaration, under the penalties of the law, of the absence of a criminal record in any country, in the five years prior to the date of application for a residence permit ( click here )

*Declaration, under the penalties of the law, that the calling relative   resides in Brazil  ( click here ) ;

Do I simply fill them and sign them? Or after filling and signing the forms I need to take them to Cartorio before submission?

Thanks in advance. Have a healthy day..

09/19/21

arman737ng wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I would be applying for PR(Family Reunion) very soon, from inside Brazil. As I was going through the list of documents required for the application, I came across 2 items that i am getting confused about. 

*Declaration, under the penalties of the law, of the absence of a criminal record in any country, in the five years prior to the date of application for a residence permit ( click here )

*Declaration, under the penalties of the law, that the calling relative   resides in Brazil  ( click here ) ;

Do I simply fill them and sign them? Or after filling and signing the forms I need to take them to Cartorio before submission?

Thanks in advance. Have a healthy day..

Whether declarations are accepted in lieu of official documents or not is at the discretion of the Federal Police, so you want to put them in a form most likely to be accepted.  Doing them in a cartório won't guarantee acceptance, but probably will help.  I  doubt that they'll accept one for the last country you lived in, but it's possible.  Acceptance for countries in which you lived briefly during the past five years is more likely.

In addition to any declaration, your "calling relative" should provide one of the proofs of residence  listed on the Federal Police site.

Dear Abthree,

if I have understood you correctly, I don't need to sign those forms if I have past 5 years police clearance certificate and proof of address(any form of paper bills along with callers RG).

09/19/21

arman737ng wrote:

if I have understood you correctly, I don't need to sign those forms if I have past 5 years police clearance certificate and proof of address(any form of paper bills along with callers RG).

That is correct.  Those declarations are mostly intended for people, like refugees, who really can't obtain the necessary documents.  If you have the official documents, you should be in good shape.

If at all possible, your Brazilian '"caller" should go to the Federal Police office with you, and bring their documents.  Your permission to stay in Brazil is based on their right to have you here, and their presence with you will be a big advantage.