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Vin_glau08

Hello there.
I am planning to get the Brazilian citizenship after my one year stay in brazil.
My background I am married with a Brazilian with one bay.

Anyone already change their passport ?
How's the experience?
How much and many months of process?

Thank you in advance.

Ciao!

abthree

11/15/21

Hi,

Getting the passport is easy, once you're naturalized;   the challenge is completing the naturalization process.  A crucial part of that, the CelpeBras examination to prove Portuguese language proficiency, was almost completely disrupted by the pandemic.  The process at some Polícia Federal offices has also suffered delays.

Does your own country permit dual citizenship?   You should know this before you go through the process.  Brazil will allow you to remain a permanent resident indefinitely.  Giving up your original citizenship is a serious decision, and you want it to be your decision,  not an accident.

The initial application is made online, when you have all your documents together.  If you've already passed CelpeBras and have the certificate, you can apply right now; if not, you should wait until then.  In addition to the test, you'll need to refresh all the documents that you presented to obtain your CRNM.  You'll also need Brazilian police reports, federal and state, which can ordinarily be obtained online.

Once your application is accepted,  finalizing your naturalization could take anywhere from about nine to about eighteen months, depending on where you are in Brazil and what happens with public health.

Vin_glau08

Thanks for the information, Yes I guess my country allowing dual citizenship.
What I understand after my one year complete stay in Brazil  I can apply the naturalization process and one requirements is the CelpeBras test (Portuguese language) . and it will take 9 months t0 18 months? even you will ask for the lawyer help?
How much the cost of it?
I am living in Guaruja, Sao Paolo.

abthree

11/16/21

According to the Ministry of Justice, there's no fee for naturalization.  The complete information can be found here:

https://www.gov.br/pt-br/servicos/natur … brasileiro

Celpe-Bras is normally offered twice a year; last year and this year, though, it was only offered once because of the pandemic.  This year's was in August; the fee for taking in in Brazil was R$230,00..  The only way to catch the 2022 edital is to check the INEP website regularly; I would recommend at least once a month, and don't forget to refresh your browser each time.  For reference, here's the 2021 Edital:

https://in.gov.br/web/dou/-/edital-n-35 … -331996083

I doubt that a lawyer can accelerate the process for you.  At most, s/he can help you with your documentation.  Before signing any agreement or paying any money, I would ask the lawyer straight up if s/he can get you processed faster.

abthree

11/16/21

I have posted this before, but it's helpful to post it again.

The Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul (UFRGS) maintains a library of old CelpeBras exams that candidates can download for practice.  This is the best way I know to prepare for CelpeBras.  A grade of at least "Intermediate" is required for naturalization.  You can find the library here:

http://www.ufrgs.br/acervocelpebras/acervo

rraypo

At least for U.S. Nationals, the subject of "Dual Citizenship" is a bit interesting. I teach civics to foreigners wishing to become U.S. citizens at no cost when I am in the USA. While there are no laws prohibiting dual citizenship, there are also no laws permitting it. It has always been a so-called gray area the Supreme Court has never touched.

On a side note. I am from Iceland originally.  My family immigrated to the USA when I was young. When I became a U.S. citizen, I had to relinquish my Icelandic citizenship as required by Iceland at that time. That has been changed for anyone born after 1962, which does not include me. So, although I was born in Iceland, I am no longer considered to be an Icelandic National or citizen. My own U.S. citizenship is NOT through U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, (USCIS) as almost all foreigners use, but through the U.S. Department of State, something Homeland Security has a serious problem with and yes, they have attempted to deport me from the USA, despite my U.S. citizenship.
I have helped a number of foreigners, from Brazil, Ukraine, and China, to go successfully through the entire legal immigration process to the USA and eventually become U.S. citizens.

Definition of U.S. National

" Section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that “the term ‘national of the United States’ means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.” Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States."

Dual Nationality

"U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to his or her U.S. citizenship."

Relinquishment of U.S. Nationality

"However, persons who acquire a foreign nationality after age 18 by applying for it may relinquish their U.S. nationality if they wish to do so."

Dual citizenship and entry into the USA through U.S. Immigration and Border Control, (I doubt most people know this, but it is actually a law in the USA).

"U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States."

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel … ality.html

abthree

rraypo wrote:

"U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States."

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel … ality.html


As far as I know, that is still the law.

I didn't renew my Global Entry with Homeland Security when it expired last year, and I was surprised that when I renewed it last week, they had me register both my current US Passport (the one on file had expired and been replaced) and my Brazilian passport.  Having a second passport didn't derail the application, and the renewal was approved within 24 hours.  I'll use the US Passport when we go through Immigration next week -- not a place for conducting experiments! -- but they now have both on file.

rraypo

abthree wrote:
rraypo wrote:

"U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States."

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel … ality.html


As far as I know, that is still the law.

I didn't renew my Global Entry with Homeland Security when it expired last year, and I was surprised that when I renewed it last week, they had me register both my current US Passport (the one on file had expired and been replaced) and my Brazilian passport.  Having a second passport didn't derail the application, and the renewal was approved within 24 hours.  I'll use the US Passport when we go through Immigration next week -- not a place for conducting experiments! -- but they now have both on file.


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I stay very quiet at Passport Control when returning to the USA.  I have zero respect for Homeland Security, they are the true thugs within the U.S. government and they most certainly have me on their radar. They do not like not having me under their direct control. When I had to prove my State Department citizenship to them, they stopped liking me.

Vin_glau08

CELPE-BRAS SOCIAL JOY Course

I saw this one like a  5 to 10 weeks lesson in preparation of Celpe Bras Exam.

I hope it will help .

abthree

11/17/21

Vin_glau08 wrote:

CELPE-BRAS SOCIAL JOY Course

I saw this one like a  5 to 10 weeks lesson in preparation of Celpe Bras Exam.

I hope it will help .


A good course will be a big help!

You want to understand what they offer.  Look over the recent tests on the UFRGS website, and see whether what they're offering will help you pass.  It should include both written composition and conversation:  the two portions are graded separately, and your final grade is the lower of the two.  A good question to ask would be how many of their graduates pass the first time.

Good luck!  :top:

Vin_glau08

yes. when you plan to do it? or you having it now?

abthree

11/17/21

Vin_glau08 wrote:

yes. when you plan to do it? or you having it now?


I took it and passed it in 2019.  I found working through the old exams on the UFRGS site very helpful.

I already spoke, read, and wrote Portuguese fluently at that time, after years of university study; if I had not, I would have taken a course, as well.  I think that it would be almost impossible to pass for someone who's only picked up conversational Portuguese by living in Brazil day to day.

Vin_glau08

Perhaps it is better to have  formal study in school or tutorial to get you along with Portuguese languages.
I am doing self-learning now and soon will join the school.

abthree

11/17/21

That's an excellent plan -- good luck!

rraypo

Vin_glau08 wrote:

Thanks for the information, Yes I guess my country allowing dual citizenship.
What I understand after my one year complete stay in Brazil  I can apply the naturalization process and one requirements is the CelpeBras test (Portuguese language) . and it will take 9 months t0 18 months? even you will ask for the lawyer help?
How much the cost of it?
I am living in Guaruja, Sao Paolo.


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I just realized where you said that you are living.  I recently spent a month there, renting an apartment.  Well, I stayed in Santos, near Carrefour on Praia do Itarare, but I am never inside, I walk a LOT, everywhere. I even walked all of the way to Vila Ciacara and back one day just so I could see Praia Grande. Several times I walked to the ferry, then walked to Guaruja, even to Praia Enseada. I am thinking of buying an apartment in the area and looked at a number of them for sale.

Vin_glau08

thanks and maybe sooner I will ask again a help for you. Ciao!

Vin_glau08

Guaruja is a nice place to live and I like going to Santos too for shoping. hehehe

Texanbrazil

It was just announced that pre-enrollment for the review classes or the test will open today in Foz and Parana.  Keep an eye on news and you may find one in your area of interest.

rraypo

Vin_glau08 wrote:

Guaruja is a nice place to live and I like going to Santos too for shoping. hehehe


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I really liked the Canal 6 area in Santos for apartment shopping

Shahbaz Shaikh786

Hello everyone,

After the naturalization how fast one can obtain Brazilian passport?

Like getting RG and Election card is enough?

Is military compulsory, if not then what document I have to submit for passport. As it is clearly mentioned it's needed in passport application page..

jeff ob

@Shahbaz Shaikh786 hi my friend have you gotten your naturalization approved

abthree


07/30/24    @Shahbaz Shaikh786 hi my friend have you gotten your naturalization approved
   

    -@jeff ob


He just got it:  https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1076895

jonesio


    Hello everyone,
After the naturalization how fast one can obtain Brazilian passport?
Like getting RG and Election card is enough?
Is military compulsory, if not then what document I have to submit for passport. As it is clearly mentioned it's needed in passport application page..
   

    -@Shahbaz Shaikh786

Unfortunately, you cannot get an election card until this year's elections are over.


From TSE site: "O atendimento remoto via Título Net está bloqueado entre os dias 09/05/2024 e 04/11/2024, conforme prevê a norma eleitoral vigente." State electoral authorities are following the same rule.

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