Residency application

Still awaiting decision, got extwnsion until 25th if jan to give my documents and sent them just after new year, awaiting their decision, im certain 16m forit + 10 years in passport is enough to support me for 5 years but we will see, i plan on working afyer 2 years but i didn't want ti out that in my "letter of reason for staying" because i dont think i can search foe work in a other reasons visa.

Kieran Paget wrote:

Still awaiting decision, got extwnsion until 25th if jan to give my documents and sent them just after new year, awaiting their decision, im certain 16m forit + 10 years in passport is enough to support me for 5 years but we will see, i plan on working afyer 2 years but i didn't want ti out that in my "letter of reason for staying" because i dont think i can search foe work in a other reasons visa.

I'm still waiting a decision and I had all the right paperwork. 

I think they are still on holiday.

Kieran Paget wrote:

My National residency got turned down, and i am now going for other reasons i have until the 7th of jAnuary to provide all necessary stuff like my bank statements ect, but i am waiting for inheritance that should be in my Bnak  in middle of January, I'm just curious if my application gets turned down how long would i need to wait before i can make another application, i am pretty much homeless in the uk now as sold my property (the inheritance) and its just waiting on the lawyers to write up contracts, im in a shit space right now because i am on the verge of having to leave my gf again, my 90 days ran out on the 10th of November so thats not a option now, unless they will let me come back in january because i had a ITI but i don't know what to do, I'm on the verge of a mental breakdown and no body can give me definite answers.

i had debts in the uk but i paid it off, it just left my bank somewhat empty until inheritance comes in, i don't have any criminal history and i have a girlfriend here who i plan on proposing to in april (lets hope she dont read this), so yea anyhelp and advice will make me feel alot better.

Sorry to hear that. You are the only Brit I know who had National residency turned down.
The whole process for us was very straightforwards and easy.
I did have a few nervous thoughts prior to applying along the lines of how to up sticks and  and base myself elsewhere. Unfortunately renting or buying property in the UK is mainly out of my financial range unless I want to work all the time. So I would just stay with my family for longer periods.

Don't give up. Just strengthen your application using their guidance. My understanding was that  finances were not part of the consideration if you already had a Temporary card.

I dont have anuthing temporary only a peice of paper allowing me to stay in the country, for a short ammount of time, my own fault it got turned down i chucked my old passport away or lost it i cant remember and had to order a new one and it didn't have any stamps on it, all i had was a few transactions on my bank statement but it wasn't enough, only reason there was a little ammount spent was because i was sending my gf the money to use because it was charging me everytime i used my card, it sucks but now im having to go 3rd world cou try route.

Kieran Paget wrote:

I dont have anuthing temporary only a peice of paper allowing me to stay in the country, for a short ammount of time, my own fault it got turned down i chucked my old passport away or lost it i cant remember and had to order a new one and it didn't have any stamps on it, all i had was a few transactions on my bank statement but it wasn't enough, only reason there was a little ammount spent was because i was sending my gf the money to use because it was charging me everytime i used my card, it sucks but now im having to go 3rd world cou try route.

Sorry about it.    Bit late but never throw your old passports away nor any official letter.  It's a pain but sometimes you get asked about where you've been when applying for a visa elsewhere.  Unless you're  a tennis player.

To pour oil on your fire, I just received a letter saying:

Dear Client,
Your application for national permanent residence permit has been approved The permit 
regarding your permanent residency status will be delivered by mail.

In addition to your national permanent residence permit, we would like to bring to your 
attention the requirement to apply for issuing the identity card at your local district office.   The applicant is obliged to present the national permanent residence permit and the official certificate on personal identifier and address of domicile (address card) provided that it has  already been delivered to you.

Please note that upon the receipt of this letter of notification, your registration certificate will 
be revoked

Why they didn't just send the card, I do not know.

No update yet, sent everything feom bank statement, tenancy, health insurance letter of why i want to be here and my plans.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Kieran Paget wrote:

I dont have anuthing temporary only a peice of paper allowing me to stay in the country, for a short ammount of time, my own fault it got turned down i chucked my old passport away or lost it i cant remember and had to order a new one and it didn't have any stamps on it, all i had was a few transactions on my bank statement but it wasn't enough, only reason there was a little ammount spent was because i was sending my gf the money to use because it was charging me everytime i used my card, it sucks but now im having to go 3rd world cou try route.

Sorry about it.    Bit late but never throw your old passports away nor any official letter.  It's a pain but sometimes you get asked about where you've been when applying for a visa elsewhere.  Unless you're  a tennis player.

To pour oil on your fire, I just received a letter saying:

Dear Client,
Your application for national permanent residence permit has been approved The permit 
regarding your permanent residency status will be delivered by mail.

In addition to your national permanent residence permit, we would like to bring to your 
attention the requirement to apply for issuing the identity card at your local district office.   The applicant is obliged to present the national permanent residence permit and the official certificate on personal identifier and address of domicile (address card) provided that it has  already been delivered to you.

Please note that upon the receipt of this letter of notification, your registration certificate will 
be revoked

Why they didn't just send the card, I do not know.

I suppose it is to let you know that the card will soon arrive and you will have to go into the post with your ID and sign for the mail.
My cousin in Conn. mailed me out a Xmas gift on Dec.6th first class mail with tracking number.
She just recieved a message that it is about to clear Hungarian customs! Wow, maybe I'll get it before next Xmas!!
She sent a package to poland and they got it within 4 weeks.

Fluffy2560 wrote:

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Why they didn't just send the card, I do not know.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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I suppose it is to let you know that the card will soon arrive and you will have to go into the post with your ID and sign for the mail.
My cousin in Conn. mailed me out a Xmas gift on Dec.6th first class mail with tracking number.
She just recieved a message that it is about to clear Hungarian customs! Wow, maybe I'll get it before next Xmas!!
She sent a package to poland and they got it within 4 weeks.

The postman brought it to the door and Mrs F signed with  it.   We elected to do that.  I suppose if I'd have been rejected, then I'd have been given time to leave the country.   

Post from the UK to me in HU can take anywhere between 3 days and 3 weeks.   I received an Xmas card about 16 January.  It was posted before 25 December.

I used to buy stuff in the UK and have it shipped to me in Hungary. Don't bother doing that now as too much trouble.  Usually look at Germany or AliExpress to get  stuff now.  Not keen on Amazon Germany as they pile on eco transport charges.  Austria the same.

Sorry to jump in mid-thread but I've been reading with interest. I am planning my move to Budapest, as I write. So, this is of great interest to me, personally, and, having read the posts, I am hoping for a good outcome for you, Kieran.

I am considering a business residency approach because I can consult from anywhere and simply contract to clients through a company. Has anyone used this method?

wavydavid wrote:

Sorry to jump in mid-thread but I've been reading with interest. I am planning my move to Budapest, as I write. So, this is of great interest to me, personally, and, having read the posts, I am hoping for a good outcome for you, Kieran.

I am considering a business residency approach because I can consult from anywhere and simply contract to clients through a company. Has anyone used this method?

Unless you've got special interests in Hungary (like family ties), you might be better off doing this from a country with a digital nomad visa.   

Around here, only Croatia is  - as far as I know - making these available. Croatia has a lot going for it - mountains, sea, lovely vistas, history and culture, good roads and infrastructure.   And like many of the former Yugoslavian countries, many of the locals speak good English. 

Further afield, Barbados has digital nomad visas and I think Saint Lucia will also introduce them soon as well.

There is a digital nomad visa now for Hungary but only last a year

Still waiting here, just extended my ITI until next month should hear back soon I hope, had my bank account proven and had to get confirmation of where the money come from but that is it and this wasn't official the lady at bmbah suggested I do it to help with the decision.

Kieran Paget wrote:

There is a digital nomad visa now for Hungary but only last a year

That's not very useful.  One year isn't enough.   

I know some have dependents restrictions as well.  No good if one has a family. 

A friend of mine is looking at it for Barbados but I reckon he'd be better off in Croatia.

Romania has one as well plus Estonia and I think Bulgaria.

fluffy2560 wrote:

wavydavid wrote:

Sorry to jump in mid-thread but I've been reading with interest. I am planning my move to Budapest, as I write. So, this is of great interest to me, personally, and, having read the posts, I am hoping for a good outcome for you, Kieran.

I am considering a business residency approach because I can consult from anywhere and simply contract to clients through a company. Has anyone used this method?

Unless you've got special interests in Hungary (like family ties), you might be better off doing this from a country with a digital nomad visa.   

Around here, only Croatia is  - as far as I know - making these available. Croatia has a lot going for it - mountains, sea, lovely vistas, history and culture, good roads and infrastructure.   And like many of the former Yugoslavian countries, many of the locals speak good English. 

Further afield, Barbados has digital nomad visas and I think Saint Lucia will also introduce them soon as well.

I do have a particular reason for being in Budapest. Which is why Kieran's situation caught my attention.

wavydavid wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

wavydavid wrote:

Sorry to jump in mid-thread but I've been reading with interest. I am planning my move to Budapest, as I write. So, this is of great interest to me, personally, and, having read the posts, I am hoping for a good outcome for you, Kieran.

I am considering a business residency approach because I can consult from anywhere and simply contract to clients through a company. Has anyone used this method?

Unless you've got special interests in Hungary (like family ties), you might be better off doing this from a country with a digital nomad visa.   

Around here, only Croatia is  - as far as I know - making these available. Croatia has a lot going for it - mountains, sea, lovely vistas, history and culture, good roads and infrastructure.   And like many of the former Yugoslavian countries, many of the locals speak good English. 

Further afield, Barbados has digital nomad visas and I think Saint Lucia will also introduce them soon as well.

I do have a particular reason for being in Budapest. Which is why Kieran's situation caught my attention.

Be useful to know if a digital nomad visa/permit can be converted to something more permanent later on.   Foot in the door etc.

I believe that business residency can last indefinitely and is relatively easy to obtain provided you meet the criteria. I would be able to come and go as I please, without it affecting my residency status.

I'm curious to hear about any other approach, however, as I want to stay long term, provided that I can leave to visit family and still return to Hungary.

I'm certainly curious to see how Kieran is getting on.

wavydavid wrote:

I believe that business residency can last indefinitely and is relatively easy to obtain provided you meet the criteria. I would be able to come and go as I please, without it affecting my residency status.

I'm curious to hear about any other approach, however, as I want to stay long term, provided that I can leave to visit family and still return to Hungary.

I'm certainly curious to see how Kieran is getting on.

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to come and go at will.

Kieran is in a slightly different position because his starting position is different. He missed the deadline for British Withdrawal Agreement registration.   And they refused to make allowances despite evidence to the contrary.   And the process is now the  same as any 3CN (Third Country National).

Personally I think it's easier to go somewhere else with less onerous terms and conditions.  For example, UK and Australia and New Zealand have more open visas if you are under a certain age.

UK, Australia and (especially) NZ are easier for me, naturally.

wavydavid wrote:

UK, Australia and (especially) NZ are easier for me, naturally.

Yes, for sure.  I was just saying. 

It's supposedly got easier to be in the UK  for Aus and NZ.

It's reciprocal changes but I couldn't see anything much in it for me.  I'm too old. 

But my kids can maybe use it.

Yes, it has begun to revert to pre-EU conditions for those of us who are "colonials", especially with English (or British) parents and grandparents.

Budapest is where a certain someone is from and where she wants to be. So, like Kieran, I want to find the best solution to moving there.

Had a nice visit from the police/immigration today, everything went well took some photos signed some documents and gave some details and that was it.

Kieran Paget wrote:

Had a nice visit from the police/immigration today, everything went well took some photos signed some documents and gave some details and that was it.

That's odd that they would just pop over and check things out in person.
I dislike surprize visits.

It happens to everyone now, so I was expecting it at some point just not now 🤣

Kieran Paget wrote:

Had a nice visit from the police/immigration today, everything went well took some photos signed some documents and gave some details and that was it.

Hi, I'm not sure what the discussion prior to this has been about... but I'd like to know about this visit by police/immigration.
Does it concern only people who are just now applying for residence?
Or can they pay a little visit to anyone, say people who have had residence for years?

What is the experience?

A lawyer once told me that they used to do that but that it is not common any more.

Thanks

When we moved to Luxembourg we had a visit from police as well, I suppose just to check if people who renting are looking quite fine. (I was just taking a bath at 7:00 AM).
I was surprised but very fine for me, my wife opened the door and I changed as quickly as possible.
But I think this visit feedback was given and no problems.

Personally I am absolutely fine, we had/have nothing to put on the carpet

Congrats Kieran

Kieran Paget wrote:

It happens to everyone now, so I was expecting it at some point just not now 🤣

Everyone?
How true is this?
Anyone else had the visit?
And what happens if they don't find persons they're looking for?

markons wrote:

Kieran Paget wrote:

It happens to everyone now, so I was expecting it at some point just not now 🤣

Everyone?
How true is this?
Anyone else had the visit?
And what happens if they don't find persons they're looking for?

I had a pop over  years ago but I had to sign a paper saying  I'd  never squeal...
I was pissed off that the cops were looking for me and my husband let them into the flat.
I made the 2 of them wait over an hour while  I took a bath and dressed...They were lucky I saw them without doing up my face as well.
They could of called first after all.
This was over a decade ago and it had nothing to do with my papers, more about me talking crap about how it had gone down, I waited over 6 months for any news from them... Big brother is watching all the time!
As my husband always says, even the walls have ears.
I shouldn't even comment about it but since I'm not  going to be hanging around forever, I thought I'd mention it can happen.
I've since told my husband if anyone is looking for me , I'm not home and they have to show a warrant to get inside.

Thank you Marilyn.

Anyone else had the visit? Recently?

I haven't seen anyone.  I wonder if they will come unannounced. 

And if they do come, what do they actually want?  What is it they are looking for?

I don't like the idea of the cops turning up here in a cop car outside the front door.

The neighbours will gossip!

They just came around to check on me living here, and then took some details about income plans ect also asked when I came to the country as Nd what not l, was nothing tbh, they were nice in people , my gf is Hungarian so she done all the Talkin gf as it is easier.

Was definitely unannounced, we was just getting ready to go out I was sat at the pc in my boxers 🤣, but honestly they asked

When I came
Plans in Hungary
Bank balance
Monthly income

Then had a little chat with my misses took her job/wage

Then took tenancy agreement and how much it cost and then went in their way, they did take some pictures and we have 2 bunny's so it was a bit messy but more than enough proof to show I am living here and I have the money I say in my bank, now just waiting official decision.

I knew I was due a visit from the Facebook expat groups slot had experience there so I just assumed.

Kieran Paget wrote:

now just waiting official decision.

Fingers crossed you get the positive official decision and also fingers crossed these visits are not a new habit.

Thanks Kieran for giving the details.

If anyone else (who's had the residence permit for years and not just applying for one now) has had the visit, please post your experience.

Thanks

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

I dislike surprize visits.

They don't tell people because they want to catch them. If you have nothing to hide fine. But if you are in the wrong the last thing they want is to tell you they are coming or you could disappear.

SimCityAT wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

I dislike surprize visits.

They don't tell people because they want to catch them. If you have nothing to hide fine. But if you are in the wrong the last thing they want is to tell you they are coming or you could disappear.

My experience was after I had already recieved my  5 year resident permit. It was odd for sure. I had said something about the service and they came to question how I was treated ,it was again very weird and I actually thought i was off to the pokey!

Kieran Paget wrote:

Was definitely unannounced, we was just getting ready to go out I was sat at the pc in my boxers 🤣, but honestly they asked

When I came
Plans in Hungary
Bank balance
Monthly income

Then had a little chat with my misses took her job/wage

Then took tenancy agreement and how much it cost and then went in their way, they did take some pictures and we have 2 bunny's so it was a bit messy but more than enough proof to show I am living here and I have the money I say in my bank, now just waiting official decision.

Take pictures of what?  You in situ?

If someone has an RP (Residence Permit), why would they want to come around?  Paperwork is already done.   

It's not the same as you Kieran, but the Brexit WA Clause 50 RP doesn't require proof of income, bank balances, health insurance or anything like that. 

So it makes no sense for them to visit any of us on WA Clause 50 permits.

SimCityAT wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

I dislike surprize visits.

They don't tell people because they want to catch them. If you have nothing to hide fine. But if you are in the wrong the last thing they want is to tell you they are coming or you could disappear.

Ok but catch them (not) doing what?

It reminds me of "Ausweis bitte".

Nothing to hide is different to none of their business.

Boris and his clowns have made us all 2nd class "citizens" with permissions, not rights, in our adopted countries.

My HU DIL and son had to bring in tons of phtos of them together and letters frm peple who knew them as a couple for her US resident permit.
My current DIL from Japan had to do the same plus my friends who knew them wrote letters.
No ne came to the house .
My son did all the resident/work permit paperwork himself for his 2 wives, he even applied for US citizenship for his Japanese wife and did all the paperwork himself. Paid all the fees but they were so slow, over a year that they just siad forget it and left the US.
She was a legal resident but he had enough of the US so that's the end of that. What a waste of money though, think his last payement to US immigration was over $800. plus whatever he had already spent.
If you hried a lawyer it would cost more then that.
I think they came to visit me because I overshared how my treatment was with them. They wanted to do a follow up on me and find out why I was mad at them. Not like things have improved there from what I read now.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

....he even applied for US citizenship for his Japanese wife and did all the paperwork himself. Paid all the fees but they were so slow, over a year that they just siad forget it and left the US.
She was a legal resident but he had enough of the US so that's the end of that. What a waste of money though, think his last payement to US immigration was over $800. plus whatever he had already spent.
If you hried a lawyer it would cost more then that.
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Why didn't your son write to his congressman about the slow pace of progress?   

A guy I know wrote to his congressman/senator to facilitate two of his friends getting into the USA (one was an interpreter and the husband was an oncologist).   It worked out fine and they and their kids are now US citizens.

$800 is too much money for this kind of thing  BUT, it's a lot more expensive in the UK.   It costs there £1350 (per person). 

If there are 4 people in a family, it's brutally priced.  There have been cases where parents - despite entitlement - have had to ration their citizenship applications so their kids are taken care of first.

I find that outrageous.   There's no way such an application costs that much.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

....he even applied for US citizenship for his Japanese wife and did all the paperwork himself. Paid all the fees but they were so slow, over a year that they just siad forget it and left the US.
She was a legal resident but he had enough of the US so that's the end of that. What a waste of money though, think his last payement to US immigration was over $800. plus whatever he had already spent.
If you hried a lawyer it would cost more then that.
...

Why didn't your son write to his congressman about the slow pace of progress?   

A guy I know wrote to his congressman/senator to facilitate two of his friends getting into the USA (one was an interpreter and the husband was an oncologist).   It worked out fine and they and their kids are now US citizens.

$800 is too much money for this kind of thing  BUT, it's a lot more expensive in the UK.   It costs there £1350 (per person). 

If there are 4 people in a family, it's brutally priced.  There have been cases where parents - despite entitlement - have had to ration their citizenship applications so their kids are taken care of first.

I find that outrageous.   There's no way such an application costs that much.

Oh the $800. was just his last of many payments...
X amount for a resident permit, X amount for this card or that one.
it's a expensive process.
No idea why it took over a year and they still hadn't gotten a date for her citizenship review.
My son just gave up, his dream was always to live in Japan and if she was a US citizen she would have to decide which country she was give up.
Japan only excepts one citizenship. They couldn't live there long term if she gave that up.