The Bachelors

"I never got married anyway, because I wasn't particularly keen on accepting the responsibility of another person."

Jimmy Savile

One's marital status, or marital intention, has never been an indicator (good or bad) of a person's moral character.

Okay, well, except for Sherlock Holmes.

Everyone should marry at least once, if for no other reason than to remind them of what freedom was

That's the spirit, Aidan in Ho Chi Minh City!

---

The counter-argument.

A man must take a wife ...

      because you can't blame everything on the government.

Jimmy Savile.

Based on further research, I disavow any favorable

comments made on this thread with respect to

the late Sir Jimmy Savile, whose pedophilic crimes

were revealed posthumously (allegedly).

Se lo nota:  the flamboyant and controversial

Sir Jimmy has been revealed to have had a warm

(non-sexual) relationship with the current

king of England and with Margaret Thatcher.

Sir Jimmy was a lifelong bachelor (1926-2011)

who died, apparently of natural causes, two days

before his 85th birthday.

A man is incomplete until he's married.

Then he's finished...

-@OceanBeach92107

Thanks OB, I thought the crickets were going to take over.

Respectfully,

MAc

Marrying debt.

Gregory, the host of youtube's The Optimized Man channel,

was married once .. and now warns young men not to

sign a marriage contract.

There's a long list of things men need to do if they are

to keep a woman happy, he says, "and as soon as you don't

do one of those things, in her mind she's rationalized and

justified in divorcing you, 'cause she knows that the system

is stacked in her favor.

"That's why you men can never sign the marriage contract.

"I know so many men who pay off their woman's debt

and then she leaves them... and she's Scot free, plus she's

gonna get 50 percent of his assets, the child support...

"So guys, it's a racket.  Marriage is a racket.  Even if

she's beautiful, her looks are gonna deteriorate."

Gregory continues....

"Most women have debt.  So when you sign that contract,

when you move in with her, you're going to be

incurring that debt even if it's not in your name....

"[W]omen almost always benefit from the marriage act...

Any woman who is marrying in her 30's, in her 40's

because of hypergamy (women's strong tendency to

marry higher-income men), she knows she's gonna got

an economic windfall" when she decides to terminate

the marriage.

Source... At YouTube.com The Optimized Man

Leo in unfamiliar dating territory.

Superstar actor Leonardo DiCaprio's string of

dating no one over 25 has ended.

DiCaprio, 47, was spotted by celebrity media

last night at an A-list Hallowe'en party in

Brooklyn, NY, with SI swimsuit model

Gigi Hadid, his reported love interest of

recent months.

Gigi, 27, is not only two years older than

Leo's previous flings, she gave birth at 25

and is Leo's first baby mama.  The father

of the child is named Zayn, Gigi's ex.

The reports say Leo was masked for the

Hallowe'en party at the Brooklyn Navy Yards

except when he was drinking.

Significant to this thread (which I have gone through sampling this and that posting) is that the term "Bachelor" has mostly positive connotations. That is, either it is a young man who is unmarried but would be a good 'catch' or a slightly older man who might be classed as a "confirmed bachelor".

The equivalent term for an unmarried woman is "Spinster".

Reading from Wikipedia we see that....

"Spinster" is a term referring to an unmarried woman who is older than what is perceived as the prime age range during which women usually marry. It can also indicate that a woman is considered unlikely to ever marry. The term originally denoted a woman whose occupation was to spin. A synonymous term is old maid. The closest equivalent term for males is "bachelor" or "confirmed bachelor", but this generally does not carry the same connotations in reference to age and perceived desirability in marriage.

Indeed in Japan it is said that a woman who has attained an age above the normal marrying age is termed a "Christmas Cake", i.e. something that still looks good but is likely to be less digestible.

@cccmedia

I think you'll find that "Leo's first baby mama" would be the biological mother of Leo's first child, rather than the first woman who has already had another man's baby prior to dating dear Leo. :-)

Ludwig van
-@SimCityAT

Tesla

Significant to this thread (which I have gone through sampling this and that posting) is that the term "Bachelor" has mostly positive connotations. That is, either it is a young man who is unmarried but would be a good 'catch' or a slightly older man who might be classed as a "confirmed bachelor".
The equivalent term for an unmarried woman is "Spinster".
Reading from Wikipedia we see that....
"Spinster" is a term referring to an unmarried woman who is older than what is perceived as the prime age range during which women usually marry. It can also indicate that a woman is considered unlikely to ever marry. The term originally denoted a woman whose occupation was to spin. A synonymous term is old maid. The closest equivalent term for males is "bachelor" or "confirmed bachelor", but this generally does not carry the same connotations in reference to age and perceived desirability in marriage.

Indeed in Japan it is said that a woman who has attained an age above the normal marrying age is termed a "Christmas Cake", i.e. something that still looks good but is likely to be less digestible.
-@El_Jost

B̲a̲c̲h̲e̲l̲o̲r̲e̲t̲t̲e̲  works.

1. Dentally challenged?
2. Casting ¨shame¨ on the ¨girls¨?  Unlikely this shirt was acquired in USA.
3. What´s a better word than ´shame´ for this Lothario´s purposes?

I was at a bulimic's bachelor party the other night.

The highlight was when the cake came out of the girl.

Feminist commentary in a

Colombia dating profile.

An attractive ¨separated¨ woman

named Lina, age 35 with

children at her home in Bogotá,

made sure to scare off some potential

suitors from North America with the

commentary she posted at the

Colombia Cupid dating website.

She posted to the Seeking section

of her dating profile as follows...

Seeking

An honest person capable of engaging

in a serious relationship.  I am not looking

for a man of interest, not to get me out of

an economic crisis or anything of that,

because I am a professional and I stand

for myself.  Nor do I want you to look for

just why you come to Colombia to

try your luck.  I do not accept money or

donation so if you are an honest and

sincere man you write me and if not

don't even greet me.  Please do not write

if you are just looking for bold games

or photos or videos.  Switch to another

profile thank you.

From -- Reasons to Remain a Bachelor.

Reason number 9... The End of Options.

Settling Down eliminates the

wide selection of women and the

thrill of the chase....

Watch what happens the minute

you get hitched.  Not only do a potential

ton of bed buddies come out of the

woodwork... all of the women in your life

that you could have scored with

start admitting a sexual interest, saying

¨Too bad you're getting married.¨

        --askmen.com

        ¨10 reasons not to get married¨

Women and The Silent Treatment.

A dating coach tells other women about

the risk of deploying The Silent Treatment...

Verbatim...

If you give a man The Silent Treatment

when you're fighting , all you're doing is

giving him more time for gaming, football,

cars and opportunities to spend more

time taking selfies with fish.

You think you're giving him more time

to cool down and come to you,

but what he's really doing with his time

is assessing whether or not you're worth it.

Every man has a worth-it calculator.

Just ask him.  And once the math ain't mathin',

there's no amount of tears and BJ's

that's gonna bring him back.

It's a risky little game you're playing.

  -- Sarah Dawn Moore, on YouTube shorts

Reasons to Remain a Bachelor

Reason number 10

No one accepted their marriage proposal(s)?

To paraphrase/misquote the great bard,

"The ladyless men doth protest too much, methinks."

@cccmedia Silent treatment is abuse in relationship, typically used by narcissists, overt or covert.

@El_Jost  It is probably done by unaware mental choice. I have grown up in disordered family where mother narcissist will always lash out, scream, drama queen. For unaware me - family was trouble, drama, pain. I remember when I went to visit my grandfather in Germany, I was 19 years old,  he asked "do you have plans  to get married soon"? I was mildly said -  shocked. He was good guy, empath, appreciated family, and btw getting married early with good partner is good thing. All best girls marry very early 19-22 , rests AKA  "christmas cakes" stay forever on market for good reason (mental disorders, seeking somebody who probably  exists only in Disney Cartoons)

The Root of Matrimony.

Stephen Root starred in a send-up of

a hilarious marriage negotiation

that lasts less than a minute in an

episode of his old TV series,

NewsRadio.

The part of the negotiation that decides

how many children he and his potential

mate would produce .. lasts precisely

two seconds!

The couple shake hands and conclude

their talk amicably after the matter of

where they would spend the month

of June produces a deal-breaking result.

View at YouTube.com...

valuable woman always increasing worth

newsradio

¨Freedom is better than need 'em.¨

       -- motto of bachelors coach

                  A. Gregory Luna

  ---

¨When you're married, you are

hemorrhaging money .. and you have

all these anchors on you...

¨It's better to be a bachelor,

because even if you're lonely,

you can remedy that.  Even if you

want women, you can remedy that.

You can change it up.  Variety

is the spice of life.

¨When you are a married man,

you are stuck in the commute,

stuck on the job, stuck with that woman.

It's like eating vanilla ice cream every day

for the rest of your life. 

¨And sometimes it's vanilla ice cream

laced with arsenic .. if she's a

toxic cluster B.¨

  -- A. Gregory Luna, ¨The Lonesome

Insufferable Drudgery of a Married Man¨

on YouTube channel The Optimized Man.

Men's coach Luna devotes

a portion of The Optimized Man

to explaining how a woman's

expectations lead to a trajectory

that turns a marriage into

a train wreck.

When a woman's failed and

excessive expectations mix

with a woman's emotional

nature, a marriage can quickly

go on the rocks, he says.

A Barbie-and-Ken fantasy

gives way to the day-to-day

realities of married life.

¨When disappointment kicks in,

disillusionment kicks in.

When disillusionment kicks in,

then the 'I deserve to be happy'

kicks in.  When that kicks in,

get ready for the divorce...

Because at that point, that's when

the disillusionment box opens

and that can justify every action

she does.  'I deserve to have

an affair.'  'Oh, you know he

wasn't that nice to me.

He's narcissistic, abusive.'

'I deserve to take half his money'.¨

-- From YouTube's channel

The Optimized Man ..

Reasons why women

train wreck marriages

The financial drains of divorce.

Since women in Western-style countries

are usually the initiators of divorce as

well as the court-designated custodians

of the children, bachelors considering

making a proposal of marriage should

make themselves aware of the realities

of family court in their jurisdiction.

Richard Cooper, author of The Unplugged

Alpha, notes that post-divorce, there are

three types of financial drain that

a man typically faces under potential

penalty of the law...

The first of these drains is alimony,

sometimes called maintenance, if he

was the primary breadwinner and the

wife stayed at home, often with

the children.  Courts sometimes award

alimony even when the couple is

childless and the wife was not working.

¨Either way, you are responsible to

upkeep her standard of living

after the marriage ends.  The monthly

cost, and duration of the payments,

depend on where you live and how

long you were married.

¨In some places, California for example,

if you are married for 10 years or more,

then it's lifelong alimony.¨

  -- Richard Cooper et al,

     ¨The Unplugged Alpha¨

The realities of child support payments.

The second of the factors that drain the

divorced man's resources are

child support payments, monthly payments

to support the cost of his children's

upbringing.

Writes Richard Cooper, ¨Contrary to

popular belief, child support is not based

on what the children actually need

to survive.  Rather, it's based on

state-issued tables.¨

He gives an example of a man who

estimated the actual cost of food,

clothing and other expenses for

his child post-divorce at 500 USD

per month on average.

¨The state-issued child support tables,

however, required him to make a legally

enforceable payment of $4,367

every month.  Child support, for the

most part, goes to the mother, not

the kids.¨

Source... The Unplugged Alpha

Does a pre-nup enable a man to

protect his assets post-divorce?

The last of the financial drains

for the divorced man as explained

by Richard Cooper relates to

the division of marital assets.

In many cases, the marital assets

are aggregated in a figurative pile

and split 50-50 between the

divorcing couple.

Many grooms attempt to protect their

assets, especially those obtained

prior to the marriage, through the

filing of a pre-nuptial agreement

that should limit the proceeds the

divorced wife may later claim.

However, cautions Richard Cooper,

¨if circumstances changed

during the period when you were

married, or a considerable amount

of time has passed since the pre-nup

was signed, then a judge will

most likely throw out your pre-nup

and it won't be worth the paper

on which it was written....

¨Divorce and not career or

entrepreneurship is, statistically,

the number-one way women

acquire their wealth today.¨

Source... The Unplugged Alpha

All bolding is attributable

to the author of this post.

way

From a short essay by David Swindle...
"No financial or legal reasons exist for a man to marry.I'll go even further -- no secular reasons exist fora man to marry. Choosing marriage is an entirelyunreasonable act, contrary to male nature andself-interest.
-@cccmedia

I agree. In fact I hardly ever get married. My average is about once every 30 years.

Bachelor news from Medellin, Colombia.

The dating profile of Milena, a remarkably fit

and curvy Colombiana, may shed some light

on what the modern South American female

may be seeking.  Her main language is

español, but she put some effort into

communicating in English.

Milena is 32, with no children.  She has a

bachelor's degree in some subject, and

posted that she has special leadership skills...

¨I leader Able to Get extraordinary results

from the ordinary people.¨

She is a non-smoker.  ¨A simple woman

but with sophisticated tastes.¨

The top banner of the profile states:

¨mi personalidad soy yo!  Mi actitud

depende de ti.¨ Translation...

Mi personality is me!  My attitude

depends on you.

In the Colombian Cupid section marked

Who She's Looking For, she posted...

¨Seeking Male 33-55 living in

Switzerland for Friendship, Romance,

Dating, Long Term Relationship.¨

She said she is willing to relocate

to another country.

Why dating a feminist woman

may not be in your best interests.

¨The whole thing with feminism

is that it's all built around the feels,

it's all built around I'm-a-victim.

That's the biggest problem with it

is for you to be a feminist

you have to adopt a victim mindset.

¨For you to have a victim mindset,

you have to have an oppressor.

And if you have an oppressor,

that's somebody you don't like.

And who's the oppressor?  It's always

the guy.  That's why you hear about

mysogyny and The Patriarchy.

They make up all these stories

about women making less money

for the same jobs that guys do.

But if that was true, then corporations

would hire only women to do the jobs.

It just becomes a whingey, whiney

sort of thing.¨

   -- Rich Cooper, men's coach

Dating news update from Medellín.

Nataly, age 35 with no kids, has a dating

profile that looks promising at first glance.

Shown in a red mini-skirt wearing long

black hair, she has a winning smile.

However, her profile personal message

indicates that either she used a subpar

translation app or her English is of

dubious quality.

Under Seeking, her Colombia Cupid

message says...

¨A real love that knows how to love

that we build a cute future that if I

don't want children I want to make

silver with my partner q let us

go ahead both¨

The Spanish word plata  meaning silver

also is used to mean 'money'.

cccmedia in Medellín, Colombia

Why dating a feminist woman
may not be in your best interests.
¨The whole thing with feminism
is that it's all built around the feels,
it's all built around I'm-a-victim.
That's the biggest problem with it
is for you to be a feminist
you have to adopt a victim mindset.

¨For you to have a victim mindset,
you have to have an oppressor.
And if you have an oppressor,
that's somebody you don't like.
And who's the oppressor? It's always
the guy. That's why you hear about
mysogyny and The Patriarchy.
They make up all these stories
about women making less money
for the same jobs that guys do.
But if that was true, then corporations
would hire only women to do the jobs.
It just becomes a whingey, whiney
sort of thing.¨

  -- Rich Cooper, men's coach
-@cccmedia

Recommended yt chanels for westerners (from westerners):

1: https://www.youtube.com/@FreshFitMiami

2: https://www.youtube.com/@JustPearlyThings

3: https://www.youtube.com/@JedediahBilaLIVE/videos

"I never got married anyway, because I wasn't particularly keen on accepting the responsibility of another person."
Jimmy Savile

I nearly soiled my underwear

You do know who Jimmy Vile was, don't you?

Why dating a feminist woman
may not be in your best interests.

  -- Rich Cooper, men's coach

How very toxic male

However, much as Cooper appears to be toxic (That would be a nice title for a crappy pop song), he's also right.

That feminist crap goes against nature and nature tends to bite back when you take it on.

Whatever works for both sides in a relationship is right for that couple, and that's never a daft ideology that ties people down to patterns of expected behaviour.

I nearly soiled my underwear
You do know who Jimmy Vile was, don't you?
-@Fred

Absolutely I do/did. It's why I also wrote...

One's marital status, or marital intention, has never been an indicator (good or bad) of a person's moral character.

Time to get Wilde

“Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.”

A couple came upon a wishing well. The husband leaned over, made a wish and threw in a penny.

The wife decided to make a wish too. But she leaned over too much, fell into the well, and drowned.

The husband was stunned for a while but then smiled and thought “It really works!”

I stole that

Feminist commentary in a
Colombia dating profile.
An attractive ¨separated¨ woman
named Lina, age 35 with
children at her home in Bogotá,
made sure to scare off some potential
suitors from North America with the
commentary she posted at the
Colombia Cupid dating website.

She posted to the Seeking section
of her dating profile as follows...

Seeking

An honest person capable of engaging
in a serious relationship. I am not looking
for a man of interest, not to get me out of
an economic crisis or anything of that,
because I am a professional and I stand
for myself. Nor do I want you to look for
just why you come to Colombia to
try your luck. I do not accept money or
donation so if you are an honest and
sincere man you write me and if not
don't even greet me. Please do not write
if you are just looking for bold games
or photos or videos. Switch to another
profile thank you.
-@cccmedia

out of curiosity: why is she scares you? Isnt she just being honest?

also she want serious relationship. Is that the part that is scary?

Poster 'But nutty' doesn't perceive the masculine,

confrontational attitude contained in Lina's

intro -- how it would turn off a high-value man

who would want to pursue a ´serious relationship.¨

Most such men prefer a relationship with someone

who is softer in nature than what is expressed

in Lina's references to 'bold games' and

'I stand for myself' and the gratuitous

'don't even greet me'.  This is the off-putting

speech characteristic of a feminist who would

dominate any man-woman relationship.

This is especially relevant for women

such as Lina who are 35 or over with

children in tow.

cccmedia

Poster 'But nutty' doesn't perceive the masculine,
confrontational attitude contained in Lina's
intro -- how it would turn off a high-value man
who would want to pursue a ´serious relationship.¨
Most such men prefer a relationship with someone
who is softer in nature than what is expressed
in Lina's references to 'bold games' and
'I stand for myself' and the gratuitous
'don't even greet me'. This is the off-putting
speech characteristic of a feminist who would
dominate any man-woman relationship.

This is especially relevant for women
such as Lina who are 35 or over with
children in tow.

cccmedia
-@cccmedia

What you stating is controversion to each other, isnt it?

1. does not wNt woman to take my 50% wealth but woman also can not stand on her own foot. Your woman is a dead body?
2. you want woman that is loyal but your woman can not NOT greet any one else. She trying to preserve but you would not allow that.
3. How do you know someone is Softer in nature or not from what she stating on the dating view page? In my own opinion, raise a kid need soft side

i am not a man. True. I read and interested in this post cuz i also have the same believe: did not believe in marriages.

all you all saying are also what i believe, just change the man with woman, vice versa.

your disacusion bring me so many insight:

1. being grateful with what you have. What you have now probably a dream for some others
2. marraige is not a way out. It just a journey. Bring someone else into your life is just another episode of your life
3. as simple as be together with aomeone, you can leave him or he leave you one day, prepare for the rainy season.

and the last, i am sure my input here did not shift any one idea at all. So i ask what i curios about. Thank you for the answers .

¨How do you know someone is softer

in nature or not from what she (is) stating

on dating view page?¨

    -- But nutty

-----

You can't really know, although the masculine cues

I discussed relative to Lina's commentary

seem indicative.

If the woman is a covert narcissist, she may

hide her nature for months in a series

of love-bombing episodes that mask an

underlying craving for control over a man.

If the man cuts this series short by putting a

ring on her finger and signing the

marriage contract, the hidden nature is revealed

and the man probably will regret

the marital decision right through the

divorce meat-grinder that family court has

become in any Western nation.

Men's counselor A. Gregory Luna

(YouTube channel The Optimized Man)

says many men, even ones ¨going their

own way,¨ fail to quench their relationship

¨thirst¨ and are ¨one wink away¨ from

relinquishing their freedom and opting

for ¨the plantation¨ -- meaning matrimony

and a gradual slide into domestic

subservience.

cccmedia