I am sad with regards to topics

@cdw057

As it's been said before, if you have an interesting topic then create one and post it.

There is nothing else anyone can do, for goodness sake.

    As mentioned before, I am upset/sad with how the forum is going (I will NOT look at absolutely else, weather is also a popular topic as it seems)
I appreciate Marilyn and Fluffy (and also Anns)
But where are the real topics (for expats).?
As for me (even not living in Hungary currently) a few topic suggestions for the forum.
-Gardeners (performance and price)
-Maintanance of eclectricity and boiler
-NEIGHBOURGS
-Restaurants (in my view quite fine still (quality and price))
-Local taxes (very fine)
-Ponds and dealing with you city
-Vets coming to your home or you have to go (in our case our vet came to our house (advantage of having many pets I suppose))
-Hospitals and doctors (again quite fine in my view)
-Supermarkets (abundance)
-Meat (lamb is alomst impossible to find (applicable to Heviz and Keszthely surrounding)
-People(in my view very, very friendly welcoming (even free botles of Palinka (which I do not like, but the gesture is good).
-..

All in all experience in Hungary was good, and we might return (even if not to a massive property with an excessive
garden)

I follow the forum, but only everything else and weather is a bit boring.
It should not be a thread for extemely active people (not everybody wants to be involved in all)

Others will dismiss me as a contributor (even if I had 7 years of history in Hungary), others will see me as somebody who might return (and give his views).
   

    -@cdw057

We're happy to have you here. Anything you want to talk about we're here for that.

I think of this place of as a kind of stammtisch in the local pub.  For those who don't know, a stammtisch is a local's table in a pub.  You can chew the fat over anything you like.

There's a lot of stuff going on in World Affairs for example - Lebanon/Israel, Ukraine, Trump's woes, the Presidential debates, the EU and Brexit, what's on TV,  And the old chestnut, Viktor Orban.  Always a hot air nonsense generator.  Even local trivia like vet bills or hospital beds or elderly care or storage units.  Even football and the weather (it's rubbish right now).  It's all there for the picking.

Life is full of surprises.  It's what you want to make of it.

OK on neighbors,

my husband is the one who used to stay in touch with our neighbors.

None one we know speak much English if any.

He has decided to go no contact with the one who used to call him up every week and tell him all about her anxiety issues.

The lady never married or had children and lived with her mother until her mom passed way. Not sure now, perhaps it has been at least 7 years since she check out.

We used to take the mom all over or rather the mom took us all over. Very active older lady who was open and fun.

Her daughter never wanted to join in.

Just a sort of odd person overall but I felt she was harmless.

My husband said she was very smart etc; but loony and now he no longer can deal with loony people.

She used to tell my husband that after she spoke with  him for awhile she felt calmer and better, more relaxed. My husband tends to have that effect on people .

He is very stoic and logical, as far as helping others goes at least. With himself he can get overly emotional like most of us tend to do at times.

Last time she called him he told her he did not fell like talking to her!

So harsh , I guess it has been over a month now and so far she has not rung us up again.

Me having motherly feelings towards people am a bit upset with him but he is holding firm that he does not need her  problems in his mind.

IDK, I think allot of people are dealing with mental health issues. Some can cover them up while others are not able to do for long;

I feel sad for this lady but my logical husband says she is a bit selfish to never have allowed herself to marry or be a mother and that is on her.

I know when my alcoholic mother would have a night time panic attack, my step dad would ring us up in the middle of the night to come and have my husband calm her down. It always worked, he would lay her in her bed and chat until she fell asleep.  He never said a bad word about us having to drive in the middle of the night with him having to go to work the next day. This makes me slightly surprised that he is not willing to chat with the neighbor mid day any longer.

    OK on neighbors,my husband is the one who used to stay in touch with our neighbors.None one we know speak much English if any.He has decided to go no contact with the one who used to call him up every week and tell him all about her anxiety issues.The lady never married or had children and lived with her mother until her mom passed way. Not sure now, perhaps it has been at least 7 years since she check out.We used to take the mom all over or rather the mom took us all over. Very active older lady who was open and fun.Her daughter never wanted to join in.Just a sort of odd person overall but I felt she was harmless.My husband said she was very smart etc; but loony and now he no longer can deal with loony people. She used to tell my husband that after she spoke with  him for awhile she felt calmer and better, more relaxed. My husband tends to have that effect on people .He is very stoic and logical, as far as helping others goes at least. With himself he can get overly emotional like most of us tend to do at times.Last time she called him he told her he did not fell like talking to her!So harsh , I guess it has been over a month now and so far she has not rung us up again.Me having motherly feelings towards people am a bit upset with him but he is holding firm that he does not need her  problems in his mind.IDK, I think allot of people are dealing with mental health issues. Some can cover them up while others are not able to do for long;I feel sad for this lady but my logical husband says she is a bit selfish to never have allowed herself to marry or be a mother and that is on her.I know when my alcoholic mother would have a night time panic attack, my step dad would ring us up in the middle of the night to come and have my husband calm her down. It always worked, he would lay her in her bed and chat until she fell asleep.  He never said a bad word about us having to drive in the middle of the night with him having to go to work the next day. This makes me slightly surprised that he is not willing to chat with the neighbor mid day any longer.        -@Marilyn Tassy

Our neighbours vary between loopy and annoying, ignorant but rich, dodgy types and very nice and normal.     

One of our neighbours fell out of a tree a few months back, broke his hip and was taken to hospital where he eventually died.  He was one of the loopy ones.  He was in his 70s and trying to chop a tree down and being paid I believe by another one of the neighbours.  He liked to think of himself as an odd job man but I'd probably think of him as a bodger.  He had no business being up that tree with a chainsaw at his age.  Inquest would probably say misadventure or if being less generous,  a case for the Darwin awards. I wouldn't even attempt it and I'm a younger than that.  I would chain saw the logs if they were on the ground but not up a tree. Leave that high work to the professionals.

Other neighbours vary of course.  I would do stuff for the nice and normal ones if they asked. 

But I'd have to think twice about the loopy ones who complain about everything.  That particular one goes bright red and gets in a huff and witters on in Hungarian.  All wasted on me as I have no knowledge of what he's talking about.  He's got some kind of psychological issue.

The ignorant but rich ones need to improve their social skills.  Mainly I don't like them being noisy on their patio with the chief protagonist's nasal drone/monotone dominating the soundscape.  I also want them to cut down their giant trees which a blight on our garden. I've complained but too ignorant cum arrogant to care.  Since winter is coming, they'll stay inside I hope.

I don't know what it is but in Hungary, people do not trim their trees.  They leave them until they are a serious threat to life and limb.   There are a number of houses I've passed which have these massive trees blocking all their light.  My MIL's garden is full of dangerous trees.  One was already trimmed by professionals but there's another one which is going to smash the house if it falls. It's already in contact with the building. Any storm and it's going to rip the tiles off and damage the facade.  Not sure why it's not been taken care of.  And besides, I want the wood for my woodburner. 

Of course, I've no complaints about the nice and normal neighbours.

I can't say much about our neighbours, we live in a block. To the front it's split into flats and are occupied by all Turkish. To the rear we have the house that effectively is split into 2 flats and a garden.

To the left are a lovely family both doctors with a little girl and always say hello, a few years back they installed a swimming pool, and they drive a €50,000 Jaguar and a 4x4 Jeep.

To the left, I think they are a couple and rarely see them. Their garden is that over grown it looks like a forest.

In Ca. we had a wide variety of neighbors.

Just before we moved a Rabbi bought the house next to us.

Right across from him a family of Iranians moved in.

Ca. is that way, mix and match.

I do not know the faces of hardly anyone who has recently moved into our building.

In the past 15 years since we lived here, we have had 2 suicides in the house. One was a doctor who OD.

The other was a 60 year old widow.

We shut our door and shut out the world.

Overgrown trees are super dangerous. My cra, cra sisters had a tree crash into their roof after a storm.

My mom used to hire professional tree trimmers to trim her palm trees.

We had a large lemon tree which my husband was able to trim himself but he was much younger then.

We used to go over at least once per week to our neighbors flat for drinks, snacks and meals. His wife was a great cook.

We sort of got the vibes really quickly that he was a high up in the mafia of our district.

Did not want to get on his bad side but we slowly pulled away.

We went fishing with them once, went to his sons home for a cook out, did allot of things with them at first.

The thing is they never even shopped near where we live, the drove far off to even do that.

Never wanted to attend local events, just places at least an hour away.

Hmm, guess he did not want to be caught with his boots off!

Lots of people probably were angry with him and he was careful when out with his family alone.

@cdw057

Got any thoughts on the oil price?  Our energy bills in HU will go up if tensions in the Middle East continue.   I'm hearing complaints from the relatives about it now.  Some of them are saying they will turn off their central gas heating I think the implication is they will move into one room. 

When living in Hungary even if in a massive property the engergy bills (gas end electricity) not more then EUR 2 K per year. Perhaps now EUR 4 K (but looking at Germany or Netherlands still very acceptable). (also at the time we had so, so many trees for fireplaces (too many, but OK) (having these trees cut would be more expensive though).

We had a floor warming which worked very well (and effective).

Honestly I did not care too much about energy bills at all, having said that energy in Turkey is even cheaper.

@cdw057

Gardeners (performance and price)

-Maintanance of eclectricity and boiler

-NEIGHBOURGS

-Restaurants (in my view quite fine still (quality and price))

-Local taxes (very fine)

-Ponds and dealing with you city

-Vets coming to your home or you have to go (in our case our vet came to our house (advantage of having many pets I suppose))

-Hospitals and doctors (again quite fine in my view)

-Supermarkets (abundance)

-Meat (lamb is alomst impossible to find

All really good ideas keep them flowing regards Anns

@cdw057Gardeners (performance and price)-Maintanance of eclectricity and boiler-NEIGHBOURGS-Restaurants (in my view quite fine still (quality and price))-Local taxes (very fine)-Ponds and dealing with you city-Vets coming to your home or you have to go (in our case our vet came to our house (advantage of having many pets I suppose))-Hospitals and doctors (again quite fine in my view)-Supermarkets (abundance)-Meat (lamb is alomst impossible to findAll really good ideas keep them flowing regards Anns -@anns

Get lamp from Turkish butchers. Very easy to find.

NEIGHBOURGS

Neighbourgs?  I like it.

I saw my miserable Neigh-Borg today. He such a miserable bloke. I am determined not to sink to his level so I gave him a cheery wave. Mrs F did the same. He doesn't like me (us) because of our boundary dispute. He's a dude with serious issues. He's quite sick but not sick enough.

Also, my other sandwich short of a picnic Neigh-Borg was doing his OCD thing sawing wood. Why he doesn't buy an electric or petrol chainsaw I do not know. I've stopped asking myself "why?".

These Neigh-Borgs are not going to assimilate me into their local pettiness.

NEIGHBOURGSNeighbourgs? I like it.I saw my miserable Neigh-Borg today. He such a miserable bloke. I am determined not to sink to his level so I gave him a cheery wave. Mrs F did the same. He doesn't like me (us) because of our boundary dispute. He's a dude with serious issues. He's quite sick but not sick enough.Also, my other sandwich short of a picnic Neigh-Borg was doing his OCD thing sawing wood. Why he doesn't buy an electric or petrol chainsaw I do not know. I've stopped asking myself "why?". These Neigh-Borgs are not going to assimilate me into their local pettiness. -@fluffy2560

Mine are generally OK but when I'm in town the caretakers wife thinks she inhabits the whole building. However he does his job very efficiently so I don't bother complaining about her pettiness. There is a very elderly woman mid 80s on the top floor who comes out naked apart from a very thin nighty. If you look up once you will never look again for fear of being blinded.

NEIGHBOURGSNeighbourgs? I like it.I saw my miserable Neigh-Borg today. He such a miserable bloke. I am determined not to sink to his level so I gave him a cheery wave. Mrs F did the same. He doesn't like me (us) because of our boundary dispute. He's a dude with serious issues. He's quite sick but not sick enough.Also, my other sandwich short of a picnic Neigh-Borg was doing his OCD thing sawing wood. Why he doesn't buy an electric or petrol chainsaw I do not know. I've stopped asking myself "why?". These Neigh-Borgs are not going to assimilate me into their local pettiness. -@fluffy2560Mine are generally OK but when I'm in town the caretakers wife thinks she inhabits the whole building. However he does his job very efficiently so I don't bother complaining about her pettiness. There is a very elderly woman mid 80s on the top floor who comes out naked apart from a very thin nighty. If you look up once you will never look again for fear of being blinded. -@anns

When we lived in some apartments near here, it was managed by a committee of residents. We were residents but not owners as we rented that place.  The guy who did repairs was an utter bodger. I told them not to do what they did but they did it anyway. Cost a fortune and was looney expensive for nothing. It was to stop ground water coming up in the underground garage. In the end they installed a sump pump but it needed the floor replacing to angle it to the sump. Wasn't sensible but with no-one as a voice of reason, they tried to invent their own solution. 

ATM we have almost perfect peace where we live.

The guy next door is gone and his place left empty. Think he is working in the UK.

Every once in awhile his mom pops over to water his plants.

Next door we have a 60 something year old lady dentist.She has a shrill loud voice but otherwise, when her trap is shut she makes no trouble.

Thing is , at times she really likes to talk. Her male overnight guests can be seen trying to break away in the morning hours but she talks so long and loud that they can not sneak away, more like slunk away;.

We do not even say hi to her, I make a grunting sound if I am face to face with her.

She got on our bad side and still never said sorry.

When she was redoing her kitchen she hired a sloppy couple of guys who pounded so hard on our common wall that a brick popped out on our side.

We asked her over to see the damage and she acted like it had already been like that§

She sent her guy over but he did a half assed job of pounding it bad and slapping some paint on it.

OK, then she asked my husband for the keys to the underground storage.

Our two flats had a nice huge shared room with a private lock and door. We so far have never used it but it was sold to us as part of our buy.

Husband took the time to go down with her to show her the way and gave her the key.

Not sure why she was not given her own key.

Well, it took her more then 3 weeks to return our key. Not the end of the world but in combo with the brick thing it was just rude of her.

Upstairs is fine, a gay couple lives there, two guys , one from Romania and the other from Spain. We hardly ever run into them but they are pleasant enough and said they try to be quiet, they mostly are.

Our flat is set in far off from the yard, once we close our front door we usually do not hear anything.

Neighbours - interesting crowd around here.

One side we have a dog-groomer, Boris always looks good; she used to be an international horse rider.

Other side - we have a barrister, she's a nice lady.

Other characters - tbh,most of us are now retired - still working, my wife, but she's semi-retired (it's an NHS thing), we have a couple of Uni lecturers and a school secretary, retirees include me, then a matron, picture framer, truck driver and a baker, all nice Yorkshire folk.  There's more, not sure what they did and I've not included the posh house at the end of the cul-de-sac, swimming pool, flash cars and blondes, I think he's only spoken to me once in 25 years, asking about getting his roof repaired.  We have several celebs around here, but not naming them.

@Marilyn Tassy

Conclusion for me,

-Neighbours are important

-Small town or big village

-Invite neighbours for a drink (not tea)

-Hire LOCAL people for your jobs

-....

Good relations with neighbours are so, so important

@Marilyn Tassy Conclusion for me, -Neighbours are important-Small town or big village-Invite neighbours for a drink (not tea)-Hire LOCAL people for your jobs-....Good relations with neighbours are so, so important -@cdw057

Neighbours are Neighbours wherever you are they are important. Especially when you are on holiday they can keep an eye on your place, or if you need help you can ask them. Never wise to piss them off.

@Marilyn Tassy Conclusion for me, -Neighbours are important-Small town or big village-Invite neighbours for a drink (not tea)-Hire LOCAL people for your jobs-....Good relations with neighbours are so, so important -@cdw057Neighbours are Neighbours wherever you are they are important. Especially when you are on holiday they can keep an eye on your place, or if you need help you can ask them. Never wise to piss them off. -@SimCityAT

I dunno, it's a cultural and language issue. We had to come into conflict with the miserable neighbour because he had about 30m2 of our land. He was resistant and just moaned about it despite all the evidence to the contrary. It was either fight for our land or just cave in and let him enjoy it. Well, that wasn't going to happen. We have excellent relations with his daughter in law and I helped his son start his car so it's all good except for the miserable old git.

The scrap wood bloke next door we try to acknowledge any complaints they have. We've planted bushes there so we cannot see them and they cannot see us. We're all formal with them old folks.

Others are all pretty friendly. I gave my elderly neighbour a lift to the shops a couple of days ago. Some people with kids come by and take our dog for a walk. So that's all nice.

One of them died and his car is outside on ramps and he's got a usable car trailer.  We've not seen his relatives but I was wondering if they'd give me the trailer.  It'll need renovation but I can easily do that. In a way, I'd be helping them out.

@Marilyn Tassy Conclusion for me, -Neighbours are important-Small town or big village-Invite neighbours for a drink (not tea)-Hire LOCAL people for your jobs-....Good relations with neighbours are so, so important -@cdw057

I guess you are not up to date on my old posts.

We partied allot in the past with our neighbors, several of them in fact.

One died and the other we discovered was more then likely a shady person.

Plus me being an American sort of seems to male some people feel jealous for some odd reason. IDK?my husband tells me that.

Even being invited to July 4 th parties but feeling like I would be the token American, these people never were friends really in the over 50 years we have known them.

Much better to fly solo .

Not sure why but it is true in many ways, people tend to judge each other without really knowing the person at all;

They just see the surface. I know they see, American and make huge  assumptions.

Like when I once was asked where I came from and told a player on my table, Conn. He blurted out, so a rich kid then?  Silly man, I told him, yes, I am a millionaire but decided to spend my time dealing cards in Vegas;

It is better at times to just hire people to watch your things, pick up your mail etc;, you will have to pay one way or the other anyways;

Had family do things for us in the past, big mistake.

@fluffy2560

Oil price can be important, but also very dependent on where you live. In Luxembourg at the time we have oil heating and even when price was still acceptable it it set us back for at least EUR 7.000 per year. In Hungary we had underfloot heating and some solar panels (Gas. Electricity and water combined max EUR 2.000 per year).

Admittedly prices are going up and perhaps even more with crazy things happening. But isolation is important (and makes a big, big difference).

Not to forget Orban has negotiated some nice things with regards to energy.

As of last Saturday Austria no longer gets it's Gas from Russia, which is good. It's got 98% of it's gas from Russia since 1968.

Hydropower plants account for more than 60% of the electricity produced in Austria. Taking wind, biomass and solar into account, renewable power generation rises to more than three-quarters of the country's total electricity production.

Over three quarter of electricity generation already comes from renewables, with a target of achieving a 100% renewable electricity supply by 2030.

As of last Saturday Austria no longer gets it's Gas from Russia, which is good. It's got 98% of it's gas from Russia since 1968.
Hydropower plants account for more than 60% of the electricity produced in Austria. Taking wind, biomass and solar into account, renewable power generation rises to more than three-quarters of the country's total electricity production.

Over three quarter of electricity generation already comes from renewables, with a target of achieving a 100% renewable electricity supply by 2030. - @SimCityAT

Austria is blessed with mountains and lakes so ideal for hydro.  There's not a lot of that here but we have plains so there's quite a windmill farm up towards the Austrian border and indeed on the other side.  I know people don't like windmills but I don't have a problem with them.  In the UK, you can see these very large offshore windmill farms.  I think they are almost a thing of beauty.  Very impressive to see from a distance.  But the UK has a whopping shoreline and plenty of wind so great renewable resource.

I understand Gazprom is banned from using the Ukrainian transit pipeline and that's why Austria has been cut off rather than a planned reduction.  It's really weird everyone was continuing to use the pipeline during the war there.  You'd have thought the Ukrainians would have cut the pipeline off immediately.  Somehow they are at war but collaborating at the same time.

There's an interesting development in Ukraine and that's them building distributed capacity.  I've heard this before but not in the context of war.  Instead of these large power stations targets, smaller installations locally are being created which are harder to hit and easier to repair.  That means just bringing in the fuel (i.e. gas) into say, an industrial area, and having its own generating station (presumably turbine based).  I remember this being discussed maybe 20+ years ago. 

There's an updated discussion going on now about using small nuclear stations.   So each town would have its own nuclear power station.  It seems cheaper with each one costing $1B.  That's so much cheaper than the giant centralised ones which cost anywhere between $35B and $50B.    It's making the giant Paks Russian nuclear power station they are building here suddenly seem more like a white elephant.  Unfortunately we don't know anything about the cost there - it's a state secret.  Moreover, the FIT (Feed in Tariff) for solar here is set low. It's clearly a disincentive to force us all to buy the nuclear generated power.   We have so many industrial buildings around here and none I can remember seeing have solar on the roof.  You'd think they'd encourage it on new buildings.   That and rainwater collection.

@fluffy2560
Oil price can be important, but also very dependent on where you live. In Luxembourg at the time we have oil heating and even when price was still acceptable it it set us back for at least EUR 7.000 per year. In Hungary we had underfloot heating and some solar panels (Gas. Electricity and water combined max EUR 2.000 per year).
Admittedly prices are going up and perhaps even more with crazy things happening. But isolation is important (and makes a big, big difference).
Not to forget Orban has negotiated some nice things with regards to energy. - @cdw057

Orban hasn't negotiated nice things at all. He's made it less transparent and made it more vulnerable.  The Paks nuclear deal with the Russians is totally secret for 30 years.  But we will be forced to buy the nuclear power and subsidise Russian military aggression.   We won't have choice on say, choosing solar or wind providers.  All our electricity bills here now come from MVM which is the state owned energy supplier.  We used to get them from a regional supplier. 

Strategically it's a mistake not to have distributed generation.  The Russians only have to kill Paks and the country is back in the stone age.  The modern way is distributed generation to avoid single points of failure.   We can see how the Russians are attacking energy infrastructure in Ukraine.  But the Ukranians are adopting a distributed approach now.  It's highly interesting as a strategy.  I would think Ukraine will possibly think of building nuclear stations in bunkers or hollowed out mountains in the future - that kind of thing.  Probably other countries will start to do this too.

Austria will never have nuclear energy.....

The Zwentendorf Nuclear Power Plant was the first commercial nuclear plant for electric power generation built in Austria, of three nuclear plants originally envisioned. Construction of the plant at Zwentendorf was finished but the plant never entered service. The start-up of the Zwentendorf plant, as well as the construction of the other two plants, was prevented by a referendum on 5 November 1978, in which a narrow majority of 50.47% voted against the start-up.

The initial cost of the plant was around 5.2 billion Austrian schilling, approximately 1.4 billion euros adjusted for inflation.

The plant was purchased by Austrian energy company EVN Group in 2005; it is used as a security training centre and leased for filming, photography, and other events. In 2025, it will be used as the training ground for ENRICH European Robotics Hackathon.

Austria will never have nuclear energy.....
The Zwentendorf Nuclear Power Plant was the first commercial nuclear plant for electric power generation built in Austria, of three nuclear plants originally envisioned. Construction of the plant at Zwentendorf was finished but the plant never entered service. The start-up of the Zwentendorf plant, as well as the construction of the other two plants, was prevented by a referendum on 5 November 1978, in which a narrow majority of 50.47% voted against the start-up.

The initial cost of the plant was around 5.2 billion Austrian schilling, approximately 1.4 billion euros adjusted for inflation.

The plant was purchased by Austrian energy company EVN Group in 2005; it is used as a security training centre and leased for filming, photography, and other events. In 2025, it will be used as the training ground for ENRICH European Robotics Hackathon. - @SimCityAT

I wanted to go on a tour of that place but never got around to it. Maybe it's not possible to go there now.  No idea.   

Austria's anti-nuclear position is fine but they have nuclear on their doorstep.  Czech Republic has a nuclear plant next to the border. I remember the dispute over it.

I also remember the UK had a very vocal anti-nuclear lobby and everything was in the doldrums for many years.  Sweden and Germany are currently anti-nuclear and closed them all down I believe.  But it's not going to last.  They need to keep the lights on.   I was against nuclear but I've changed my mind.  Mainly its the situation changing due to global warming.   There's really no choice but to use nuclear. 

I read only last week that Google and Microsoft want to build their own power stations now to power their data centres.  I cannot see they have any choice but to do that.    I think they will want to go with these small modular reactors.  That's kind of concerning that people want to build those just so people can look at Facebook or Tiktok etc.  I don't think it'd wash in Europe but might fly elsewhere.

@fluffy2560

Yeah, you can have a tour every Friday.

https://windows2008.zwentendorf.com/en/location-npp/

@fluffy2560

I'm only against nuclear in places where they have earthquakes. It was very stupid of Japan to put that plant bang on a fault line.

@fluffy2560
Yeah, you can have a tour every Friday.
https://windows2008.zwentendorf.com/en/location-npp/ - @SimCityAT

ooo...thanks.

I am going to see if the Fluffy Family will be up for a trip there.   It might be a bit difficult as the tours are in German.  I'd be OK and maybe our son but Mrs F and No. 1 HU Fluffyette would need it in Hungarian or English. I found this link - Zwentendorf direct for EVN, the owners.

@fluffy2560
Yeah, you can have a tour every Friday.
https://windows2008.zwentendorf.com/en/location-npp/ - @SimCityAT
ooo...thanks.

I am going to see if the Fluffy Family will be up for a trip there. It might be a bit difficult as the tours are in German. I'd be OK and maybe our son but Mrs F and No. 1 HU Fluffyette would need it in Hungarian or English. I found this link - Zwentendorf direct for EVN, the owners. - @fluffy2560

The tours are also available in English, you just need request them by emailing them. I just got a reply back on Facebook.

@fluffy2560
Yeah, you can have a tour every Friday.
https://windows2008.zwentendorf.com/en/location-npp/ - @SimCityAT
ooo...thanks.

I am going to see if the Fluffy Family will be up for a trip there. It might be a bit difficult as the tours are in German. I'd be OK and maybe our son but Mrs F and No. 1 HU Fluffyette would need it in Hungarian or English. I found this link - Zwentendorf direct for EVN, the owners. - @fluffy2560
The tours are also available in English, you just need request them by emailing them. I just got a reply back on Facebook.
- @SimCityAT

Cool!

I'll have to rally the troops to see if they want to do it.

Might be after Xmas or in the Spring. 

We've got snow tomorrow AM.

@fluffy2560
Yeah, you can have a tour every Friday.
https://windows2008.zwentendorf.com/en/location-npp/ - @SimCityAT
ooo...thanks.

I am going to see if the Fluffy Family will be up for a trip there. It might be a bit difficult as the tours are in German. I'd be OK and maybe our son but Mrs F and No. 1 HU Fluffyette would need it in Hungarian or English. I found this link - Zwentendorf direct for EVN, the owners. - @fluffy2560
The tours are also available in English, you just need request them by emailing them. I just got a reply back on Facebook.
- @SimCityAT
Cool!
I'll have to rally the troops to see if they want to do it.

Might be after Xmas or in the Spring.

We've got snow tomorrow AM. - @fluffy2560

It seems to be snowing everywhere but here. No snow forecast for tomorrow.

@fluffy2560
Yeah, you can have a tour every Friday.
https://windows2008.zwentendorf.com/en/location-npp/ - @SimCityAT
ooo...thanks.

I am going to see if the Fluffy Family will be up for a trip there. It might be a bit difficult as the tours are in German. I'd be OK and maybe our son but Mrs F and No. 1 HU Fluffyette would need it in Hungarian or English. I found this link - Zwentendorf direct for EVN, the owners. - @fluffy2560
The tours are also available in English, you just need request them by emailing them. I just got a reply back on Facebook.
- @SimCityAT
Cool!
I'll have to rally the troops to see if they want to do it.

Might be after Xmas or in the Spring.

We've got snow tomorrow AM. - @fluffy2560
It seems to be snowing everywhere but here. No snow forecast for tomorrow. - @SimCityAT

Here, overnight rain plus freezing temperatures, what could go wrong?!