Consequences of Trump as US President.

@Enzyte Bob
exactly what lies were posted here? The summer of love was peaceful? Hunters laptop had nothing of importance on it? The Capital insurgence was led by Trump? Biden has no early signs of Dementia and is sharp as a tack, And the list goes on. Oh wait those were all Lies told by the Democrats my bad. - @Morgacj200424

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Why are you associating me with that? You're mistaken me for some Woke members.

@Enzyte Bob

Thats why I think he should take a sabbatical Bob

BP writes, "Trump was overwhelmingly revoted into power and the peoples decision needs to be respected. I suggest .. all need to sit back and see what happens/plays out over the next few years. This site is above bickering and civility always wins the day,,,,,,  Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

Agreed BP.

And with zero disrespect to anyone, it's just a fact that Trump's status as an immediate second term president must hold him back over the next four years.

The limits set on a US President under their 22nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States are quite clear and unambiguous that Trump can not serve again after this upcoming term.

See:  https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-22/   which begins: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice"

Even the Washington Post, hardly a Biden supporter, is up-front about what this fact will mean .. (quote) ..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/17/trump-republicans-lame-duck-cabinet-appointments/

Fourteen words should guide how citizens and politicians approach the next four years: “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.”

The 22nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is clear and unambiguous. It says nothing about “consecutive terms” and contains no hedges subject to reinterpretation. Someone who wins the presidency twice can’t ever serve again. Period.

This means that when he is inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2025, Donald Trump immediately becomes a lame duck president.

This has important implications for everyone in government. That’s especially true for Republicans.

After nearly a decade — during which so many in the GOP were in fear over the costs of defying Trump — ambitious senators, House members and governors will be contemplating their own futures in a world without him.

Trump seems well aware of his lame-duck future. He’s already wondering whether there’s an alternative. “I suspect I won’t be running again unless you say, ‘He’s so good we got to figure something else out,’” Trump told House Republicans last Wednesday. He appeared to say this in jest, but we have learned that Trump’s “jokes” are often a clue to his intentions.

This is why it’s important to establish that the plain language of the 22nd Amendment means what it says and applies to Trump. Even the most Trumpist judge or justice will have trouble getting around those words “more than twice,” and we know that neither the required two-thirds of both houses of Congress nor three-fourths of the states would back the amendment’s repeal.

Emphasizing all this is a way of guarding against Trump’s possible designs. That’s one reason Rep. Dan Goldman (D-New York) went to the trouble of introducing a resolution clarifying that there are no loopholes in the 22nd Amendment that would allow Trump to run again. Republicans are unlikely to let this get to the floor, but Goldman made his point.

What matters is that Senate Republicans will be deciding whether to vote on behalf of Trump’s interests or their own.

Their own interests will take priority — by a large margin.

Trump has accelerated the decline of his influence by including some real doozies among his Cabinet choices. A president-elect who had just engineered an extraordinary comeback would expect his party to embrace his nominees.

But four of them especially are so manifestly unqualified and dangerous that all but the most Trump-loyal Republican senators have to be asking how they can possibly rationalize supporting them.

Attorney general nominee Matt Gaetz is loathed across large parts of the GOP. Trump’s choice of Tulsi Gabbard to be director of national intelligence has left the intelligence community aghast, given Gabbard’s lack of experience and her attitudes toward Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Syria’s Bashar al-Assad. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., nominated for health and human services secretary, is known for advancing false claims and conspiracy theories. The Pentagon is stunned by the choice of Fox News personality Pete Hegseth to be defense secretary.

When senators from the president-elect’s own party respond to nominees with “Who?,” “This one was not on my bingo card” and “I’m trying to go fix a toilet,” you sense, well, a certain lack of enthusiasm.

Of course, it’s hard to imagine a wholesale intraparty rebellion, because Republicans have caved to Trump again and again. But GOP politicians who hope for long and happy political futures are starting to think beyond this moment to the time when Trump is gone. Do they really want Gaetz, Gabbard, Kennedy and Hegseth on their records — and consciences? Will they abandon their responsibility altogether by letting Trump make recess appointments?

There should be no complacency about what Trump can do. He has a lot of power. The MAGA movement will bring pressure to bear on any Republican dissidents. Many in the party no doubt wonder if Trump’s sway over his followers will ever go away.

But GOP politicians now face a question they never had to ask about Trump: How much are they willing to risk on behalf of a lame-duck president? 

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Whatever .. Trump is not in power forever.

I dislike threads when they turn into slanging matches.

Seems a bit pointless- Anyway, time will tell.

I will bookmark this thread so it can be referred back to.

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Would you try to cut and paste from an unbiased source. . .. .  better yet post your own opinion

Use Cliff Notes as an example in how to post.

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Would you try to cut and paste from an unbiased source. . .. . better yet post your own opinion

Use Cliff Notes as an example in how to post. - @Enzyte Bob

And therein lies the problem. A lack of interest in actually reading and comprehending. "Just gimme cliff notes" and no context or thought. This is a massive issue in the USA for sure. Our kids are not led to read. And I mean actually READ. Just watch tiktok vids and make up their minds without real thought. Adults today are even worse.

Larry Fisher said . . . . . And therein lies the problem. A lack of interest in actually reading and comprehending. "Just gimme cliff notes" and no context or thought. This is a massive issue in the USA for sure. Our kids are not led to read. And I mean actually READ. Just watch tiktok vids and make up their minds without real thought. Adults today are even worse.

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Larry you're jumping from one thing to another.

PalanOne forever has cut and pasted laborious and sometimes tiresome articles. Much of it in no interest to me, I don't know about other people on this forum. He does want to inform, do what many people do, read an article and if you're in agreement or disagreement summarize your thoughts. I would rather read what he thinks rather than him relaying somebody else's thoughts.

Other people on this Forum, if they give me food for thought, I do my own research outside the Forum.

I compare his cut & paste to audio books, instead of audio, it's visual. Like he is transcribing articles and then posting them.

I'm surprised that he actual gave credit to the publication and author of the article.

Actually when I see his original posts, I skip by them, he just cuts & paste many many paragraphs and they are way way too long.

But, if he is replying to someone else's post, I'll read his reply, to get his take. I know he means no harm and seems like a very nice fellow.

The education system in the US stinks, we are the top spender in the world on education and have a very dismal  ranking compared to other countries.

Smart phones were the best and worst innovation. I read an article some time ago about the loss of productivity blamed on people spending too much time on social media during work hours.

The limits set on a US President under their 22nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States are quite clear and unambiguous that Trump can not serve again after this upcoming term.
See: https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-22/ - @PalawOne

Trump has already intimated his feelings about that "Trump said he can’t run in 2028 unless the GOP figures ‘something’ out:" That is a direct quote and if that is his wish I'm sure the GOP and the Trump Supreme Court will figure something out. Of course he will be 82 years old by then so I guess that if he wins, he will hand over the reigns of government to J.D. Vance shortly after his inauguration and go back to playing golf. 

@Enzyte Bob

I want to read. Commas and everything to get the full context. Context actually means something and comes from whole sentences combined together on a subject/topic. Then I have something to argue!

I dislike threads when they turn into slanging matches.
Seems a bit pointless - @Fred

My feelings exactly. The trouble with trying to have a sensible political debate with die hard Trump MAGA's has been described as trying to play chess with a pigeon, just like the pigeon, the Trump devotee will eventually kick over all the chess pieces and shit on the board.

Old Farmer McDonald said  E.I.E.I.O, actually the OP said. . . . Trump has already intimated his feelings about that "Trump said he can’t run in 2028 unless the GOP figures ‘something’ out:" That is a direct quote and if that is his wish I'm sure the GOP and the Trump Supreme Court will figure something out. Of course he will be 82 years old by then so I guess that if he wins, he will hand over the reigns of government to J.D. Vance shortly after his inauguration and go back to playing golf. (FindayMacD post)

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Actually MSN in print said: "President-elect Donald Trump during a meeting with house Republicans on Wednesday, made an apparent joke in which he remarked that the GOP might want to do something that somehow allow him to serve a third term in 2028", Again from MSN.

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@Enzyte Bob

Sorry not meant for you.

I dislike threads when they turn into slanging matches.Seems a bit pointless - @Fred My feelings exactly. The trouble with trying to have a sensible political debate with die hard Trump MAGA's has been described as trying to play chess with a pigeon, just like the pigeon, the Trump devotee will eventually kick over all the chess pieces and shit on the board. - @FindlayMacD

I don't think I can top that. Love it!

😂

... the Trump devotee will eventually kick over all the chess pieces and shit on the board. - @FindlayMacD

I don't think I can top that. Love it!

😂 - @Lotus Eater

That is pretty funny I have to agree 😆

Also,

Trump won.

He won big.

Trump voters get the last laugh 😃

Now I hope we can move on.

@danfinn

Head in the sand, you won't be laughing in 3 years when everything is worse than before and you're blaming the "libs".

@danfinn Head in the sand, you won't be laughing in 3 years when everything is worse than before and you're blaming the "libs". - @Larry Fisher

Hey man I'm not the one who started with the hilarious funny jokes. For that you need to talk to forum comedian Ronald MacD or mr lotus beater.

@Larry Fisher

Funny how none of this happened during Trump’s first presidency? Democrats have incredibly short and selective memories.

Seems you're in denial Morg. An intervention is possibly the only solution.

Below are the numbers for the Trump presidency 2016-2020.

The economy lost 2.7 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.7 percentage points to 6.4%.

Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.4% after inflation.

After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.

The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 36.3% from 2016.

The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.

The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.

Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.

Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.

Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 25%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.3%.

Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.

The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.

Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.

...The trouble with trying to have a sensible political debate with die hard Trump MAGA's has been described as trying to play chess with a pigeon, just like the pigeon, the Trump devotee will eventually kick over all the chess pieces and shit on the board. - @FindlayMacD

A citation for that augmented/paraphrased quote is called for.

...The trouble with trying to have a sensible political debate with die hard Trump MAGA's has been described as trying to play chess with a pigeon, just like the pigeon, the Trump devotee will eventually kick over all the chess pieces and shit on the board. - @FindlayMacD
A citation for that augmented/paraphrased quote is called for. - @Aidan in HCMC

More like a god damn trophy!

@Larry Fisher

For plagiarism?

@Aidan in HCMC

Aidan I myself used a board game analogy earlier in this debate to illustrate Mr T’s childish mental ( finger on the nuclear button) state of mind. 

Findlay’s post was much funnier than mine though .

@Aidan in HCMC
Aidan I myself used a board game analogy earlier in this debate to illustrate Mr T’s childish mental ( finger on the nuclear button) state of mind.

I'm unaware of an original source for "finger on the nuclear button". It appears to have become part of the English lexicon, and so of course is open to free use.

Findlay’s post was much funnier than mine though . - @Lotus Eater

The member's post should still have included a citation.

Lotus Eater. . . . .
Aidan I myself used a board game analogy earlier in this debate to illustrate Mr T’s childish mental ( finger on the nuclear button) state of mind.

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Mr T's full name  was Lawrence Tureaud, he appeared in a TV show called the A-Team and a Rocky movie.

President Trump, Appeared on the TV show called the Apprentice and some years back wrestled a match on WWE.

There is no nuclear football, there are no fingers involved. When President Trump is away there is a briefcase containing communication devices (Not an I-Phone) to authorize to a nuclear attack.

@Larry Fisher
For plagiarism? - @Aidan in HCMC

You're grasping at straws now buddy.

@Larry Fisher
For plagiarism? - @Aidan in HCMC

You're grasping at straws now buddy.
- @Larry Fisher

I'm "...grasping at straws..." for asking a question? I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean.

Are you saying that the member paraphrasing the quote should not have included a citation, or that it isn't plagiarism?

Larry Fisher said. . . . .seems you're in denial Morg. An intervention is possibly the only solution. Below are the numbers for the Trump presidency 2016-2020.The economy lost 2.7 million jobs.

The unemployment rate increased by 1.7 percentage points to 6.4%.

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You are using post pandemic figures from 2020.

(1) Pre pandemic numbers before 2020, unemployment was 3.7%

(2) Millions & millions of jobs created 2016-2019

Let's be honest, covid-19 brought down two presidents, President Trump & President Biden.

(1) When covid-19 hit in the last year of Trumps presidency the economic disaster killed his chances fror re-election.

(2) Biden's later Harris chance for re-election was killed by inflation, the root cause was covid-19.

@Enzyte Bob

Thanks you beat me to the reply. Using post pandemic numbers simply does not make sense as the pandemic created a economic scenario never seen before that is still causing chaos in certain sector's,  such as corporate real estate, business travel and retail stores.

@Enzyte Bob
Thanks you beat me to the reply. Using post pandemic numbers simply does not make sense as the pandemic created a economic scenario never seen before that is still causing chaos in certain sector's, such as corporate real estate, business travel and retail stores. - @Morgacj200424

There's Bob's sidekick again. He keeps popping up on this Forum. Why not just add a 'ditto'' Morg to all of Bob's delusional Trump statements.

NB Bob's bark is worse than his bite. Just don't mention Indian call centres 🤣

Is it time for the popcorn yet?

Get over your grievances guys.

Cheers, Steve.

@Larry Fisher
For plagiarism? - @Aidan in HCMC You're grasping at straws now buddy.
- @Larry Fisher
I'm "...grasping at straws..." for asking a question? I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean.
Are you saying that the member paraphrasing the quote should not have included a citation, or that it isn't plagiarism? - @Aidan in HCMC

The word 'Pedantic' springs to mind Aid 🙄

Lotus eater said. . . .
There's Bob's sidekick again. He keeps popping up on this Forum. Why not just add a 'ditto'' Morg to all of Bob's delusional Trump statements.

NB Bob's bark is worse than his bite. Just don't mention Indian call centres

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Yes Nick is correct, don't mention Indian call centers, I'm allergic to their spicy aroma oozing out of my telephone.

I read an alert today about some India city pollution is 50 times the allowable. I hope they don't have a call center.

@Lotus Eater yes sir Mr. Flower Eater!

Lotus Eater yes sir Mr. Flower Eater! - @Morgacj200424

In Greek mythology the lotus eaters were a race of people living on an island dominated by the lotus tree, a plant whose botanical identity is uncertain. The lotus fruits and flowers were the primary food of the island and were a narcotic, causing the inhabitants to sleep in peaceful apathy.

More prosaically I took the name from a classy BBC drama series that ran from 1972-1973 ( the same year that the US network NBC launched the excellent Banacek private insurance investigator series - part of the Wednesday night Mystery Movie Schedule - sorry I digress) .

It starred two underrated actors Ian Hendry and Wanda Ventham (her son is the actor Benedict Cumberbatch.) A spy thriller with the wonderful easy going (the plot was incidental)  life shot on the mediterranean island of Crete.

I think Bob would have made an excellent PI. How the hell did he find out my first name!😎

@Enzyte Bob Thanks you beat me to the reply. Using post pandemic numbers simply does not make sense as the pandemic created a economic scenario never seen before that is still causing chaos in certain sector's, such as corporate real estate, business travel and retail stores.  - @Morgacj200424There's Bob's sidekick again. He keeps popping up on this Forum. Why not just add a 'ditto'' Morg to all of Bob's delusional Trump statements.NB Bob's bark is worse than his bite. Just don't mention Indian call centres 🤣 - @Lotus Eater

I think there may be some hope, not sure, but maybe someday this non-expat  who uniquely identifies himself as being from the region of England with the single cross flag, will have a useful comment with some other intended purpose than to marginalize and degrade other expat members.

I know other UK citizens, particularly from Scotland and Wales who are also ashamed to identify as UK citizens. Not sure why, maybe Fred can give us a clue 😆. So, he chooses some ID out of Greek mythology that has no relevance here, maybe to look intellectual or cool.

Anyway I cannot think of a useful informative comment this person has made on this thread.

But the good news is:

Trump Won!

Deal with it lotus-eater 😆

Is it time for the popcorn yet?
Get over your grievances guys.

Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

I am enjoying the popcorn Steve. And maybe a bit of Red Horse. Finally our deep state puppet dictatorship is GONE (doing the Trump victory dance along with the majority of Americans 😆).

Lotus Eater said . . . . I think Bob would have made an excellent PI. How the hell did he find out my first name

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And a very common last name

Lotus Eater is the Man, we have a common denominator "53".

Lotus Eater explained . . . . In Greek mythology the lotus eaters were a race of people living on an island dominated by the lotus tree, a plant whose botanical identity is uncertain. The lotus fruits and flowers were the primary food of the island and were a narcotic, causing the inhabitants to sleep in peaceful apathy.

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In Humboldt County mythology the cannabaceae eaters were a race of a race of people that migrated from Haight Ashbury causing the inhabitants to become flower people.

Lotus Eater said . . . . I think Bob would have made an excellent PI. How the hell did he find out my first name
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And a very common last name - @Enzyte Bob

Don't tell me, you take a 10% finders fee. Right? 🤣