eResidence appointment

Well dude, if you've read all the topics you should know by now that the only way is to actually go over there.
3 Castille Place, Valletta. 2nd floor, room 5.
Show up early and you'll get an appointment in September.
Good luck!

you can write and some who have done this have got a response within 7 days - but appointments are in september.

whatever you do dont email them again as they say its just adding to the backlog... sit back and wait - your resident status is not affected by the DCEA's lack of ability to provide an appointment or id - e-Residency permit.

This is from the EU website

Registration

During the first 3 months of your stay in your new country, you cannot be required to register (to obtain a document confirming your right to stay) but can do so if you wish.

After 3 months in your new country, you may be required to register with the relevant authority (often the town hall or local police station).

To obtain your registration certificate, you will need:
■Employees / Postings abroad ■Valid identity card or passport
■Certificate of employment or confirmation of recruitment from your employer

■Self-employed ■Valid identity card or passport
■Proof of your status as self-employed

■Pensioners ■Valid identity card or passport
■Proof of comprehensive health insurance
■Proof you can support yourself without needing income support.


You do not need to provide any other documents.

When you register, you will get a registration certificate. This certificate confirms your right to live in your new country; it states your name and address and the registration date.

Your registration certificate should be issued immediately and cost no more than the price nationals pay for identity cards.

It should be valid indefinitely (does not have to be renewed), though you may need to report any change of address to the local authorities.


If you have to register, you may be fined for not doing so but may continue to live in the country and cannot be expelled just for this.

In many countries, you will need to carry your registration certificate and national identity card or passport at all times. If you leave them at home, you may be fined but cannot be expelled just for this.

If you have problems getting your registration certificate, you can call on our assistance service.

When you go for your appointment take a copy of this with you and insist that they issue a an ID number while you wait!
If they refuse get the name of the person and report the incident to the Malta EU ombudsman. Its you right, its time we started pushing back!!!

Terry

tearnet wrote:

When you go for your appointment take a copy of this with you and insist that they issue a an ID number while you wait!
If they refuse get the name of the person and report the incident to the Malta EU ombudsman. Its you right, its time we started pushing back!!!

Terry

Great info Terry

however, (dons cynics hat here) as Rose (a Maltese National) was given 'short shrift'/brusque service at the passport office can we realistically expect a better service if we ask for names and give threats of reporting them.

I understand that we need to stand up for our rights but this is a serious question posed to those who are already living there and have had first hand experience dealing with these 'offices'.

Is it the system or the bureaucratic clerks we are fighting against?

Cheers

Mike

Ask yourself "what have you got to loose"?
They have to abide by the EU rules.
It will cost you more to live in Malta without the e-residency
but you can still live in Malta without it!
So push back, if enough people do they will act!
Its not the clerks fault so ask to see the department head.




Terry

it is the system without a doubt -

Things can only get worse now that its been shifted to another department. Unless they move all the staff all the new clerks will need training and all the paperwork will have to be transfered.

Terry

my understanding is that all thats happened is the department comes under a new ministry, thats all

I'm sure they will argue that the receipt they give you satisfies EU law regarding "Your registration certificate should be issued immediately"

GnG - there is nothing on that receipt that indicates that it ss acceptable for identity purposes - and as such why should anyone accept it...it only says its a receipt and that the holder has applied for an identity document.

toonarmy9752 wrote:

GnG - there is nothing on that receipt that indicates that it ss acceptable for identity purposes - and as such why should anyone accept it...it only says its a receipt and that the holder has applied for an identity document.

I agree. Arriva etc have been told to accept it, but it would be far better if it actually said it

so really these guys who have this document have no real (malta issued" identity card and some wont even have a residency  certificate either...what a mess - let just hope the mess doesnt have massive impacts on too many people.

The trouble is now, that to apply (for residency) you need an appointment and that can be some months away. So they are effectivly delaying your ability (as an EU citizen) to get residency.
This is because they are insisting on people who already have a valid document having to re-apply, its just crazy!

Terry

GeorgeinGozo

Hello.  You provide very useful advice on so many matters on this forum. Thank you for that. 

May I just clarify the point you made?  Is the e-residency receipt accepted formally by Arriva for the discounted fare on the buses, or do we have to wait for our E-Residence ID?  From general discussions it seems that some people have been waiting beyond 8 weeks for their new cards.

Thanks

Charley

CharleyFarley wrote:

Is the e-residency receipt accepted formally by Arriva for the discounted fare on the buses

yes, although some drivers haven't got the message

CharleyFarley wrote:

From general discussions it seems that some people have been waiting beyond 8 weeks for their new cards.

11 weeks and counting....

Thanks GnG. Our eresidence appointment isn't until June (we applied mid January). Hopefully the message will have got through to Arriva by then.

The Government also needs to get ARMS to accept the receipt to allow the residents' discount. I take it they don't currently?

The Department's delays in giving out the new Residence Cards  are creating a financial penalty for non Maltese EU citizens on their utilities bills. If, as you say, the cards are currently taking in excess of 11 weeks then that is most unreasonable. If you add on the four month wait for an appointment I will be paying significantly over the odds for electric and water for 6 months, through no fault of my own.

Charley

PS. I still love Malta though!

CharleyFarley wrote:

PS. I still love Malta though!

We all love Malta but its your right to complain about discrimination.
There is an EU ombudsman in Malta and online, you can file a complaint on a Q and A form. The more people that do it the more likely the delay will be addressed !!!

Terry ( on his soap box again ) 

tearnet wrote:

We all love Malta but its your right to complain about discrimination.
There is an EU ombudsman in Malta and online, you can file a complaint on a Q and A form. The more people that do it the more likely the delay will be addressed !!!
Terry ( on his soap box again ) 

I have actually done it already! I am in love with the country as well but I can't stand so much discrimination as it is at the moment. I really hope things will change ASAP.

mantonas wrote:

I can't stand so much discrimination as it is at the moment. I really hope things will change ASAP.

yes, its kids getting half priced cinema tickets that annoys me

georgeingozo wrote:

mantonas wrote:

I can't stand so much discrimination as it is at the moment. I really hope things will change ASAP.

yes, its kids getting half priced cinema tickets that annoys me

Are you being sarcastic georgeingozo?

partly yes, but partly to point out that discrimination is not always illegal, and is often publicly acceptable.

dont forget the three months from arrival before you are legally obliged to wait to apply. Although i suspect this may be changed...

tearnet wrote:

CharleyFarley wrote:

PS. I still love Malta though!

We all love Malta but its your right to complain about discrimination.
There is an EU ombudsman in Malta and online, you can file a complaint on a Q and A form. The more people that do it the more likely the delay will be addressed !!!

Terry ( on his soap box again ) 

totally agree

georgeingozo wrote:

partly yes, but partly to point out that discrimination is not always illegal, and is often publicly acceptable.

yes - although i suspect your reasoning is OAP and children and the disabled.....
but to be honest all of us are young all 0f us get old and some of us are unlucky enough to be caught by illness and disability.. so its not really that discriminatory is it.... so in essence we will all have been given discounts in these catagories. at some stage of our lives.

toonarmy9752 wrote:

dont forget the three months from arrival before you are legally obliged to wait to apply. Although i suspect this may be changed...

no, still the same, as its an EU law - for the first 3 months you can be a tourist, although you can declare your residency before the 3 months are up if you so desire (and intend on staying at least 3 months). What that means in reality is that an EU citizen must apply for an appointment within 3 months of arriving.

toonarmy9752 wrote:

georgeingozo wrote:

partly yes, but partly to point out that discrimination is not always illegal, and is often publicly acceptable.

yes - although i suspect your reasoning is OAP and children and the disabled.....
but to be honest all of us are young all 0f us get old and some of us are unlucky enough to be caught by illness and disability.. so its not really that discriminatory is it.... so in essence we will all have been given discounts in these catagories. at some stage of our lives.

Its all discrimination, albeit justifiable. Even the government uses the word wrongly, as they kept saying the bus fares were non-discriminatory, which was incorrect. What they meant was they considered it a legal discrimination.

How about cheaper fares on the ferry for Gozo residents - thats a legal discrimination

i disagree on the must apply within the three months...if you choose not too.

an interesting comment spotted in the news this morning--
"A spokesman for the Home Affairs Ministry said that, although appointments were issued beyond June, this will not jeopardise foreigners’ immigration positions, provided they were RESIDING LEGALLY in Malta when given the appointment."

I GUESS THIS IS WHERE IT GETS MUDDY how can one reside here legally if after the first 9o days of living here as a tourist and that cant be regarded as resident or residing legally or can it?...  you have to apply for the new card and at thats stage havent got one? doesnt that make you illegal.

and thats what you really mean in order to comply with living here legally you MUST apply within the 90 days

By making an application for an appointment to apply for a residency document, you are declaring that you consider yourself resident. Its then up to the government to reject you if you don't satisfy the criteria, but until they do that you have fulfilled your legal obligations.

Your obligation is to apply for an appointment within 3 months

As for the comment by the spokesman, I think he's considering being a tourist as a type of residency, so as long as you apply before your tourist status runs out (3 months after last arriving) you are legal

Q. what is the reasoning behind the low fares on buses and ferry - for gozo and also why is it some gozo fares are accepted here in malta but not the other way round.

toonarmy9752 wrote:

Q. what is the reasoning behind the low fares on buses and ferry - for gozo and also why is it some gozo fares are accepted here in malta but not the other way round.

The best I've seen is that Gozitans use the ferry out of necessity (eg work, study), whereas Maltese for leisure, but its clearly contentious, but appears to be allowable under EU law

georgeingozo wrote:

toonarmy9752 wrote:

Q. what is the reasoning behind the low fares on buses and ferry - for gozo and also why is it some gozo fares are accepted here in malta but not the other way round.

The best I've seen is that Gozitans use the ferry out of necessity (eg work, study), whereas Maltese for leisure, but its clearly contentious, but appears to be allowable under EU law

and never the twain shall meet...lol

but it is not impossible for someone resideing on malta working  on Gozo.

Indirect discrimination then i suppose - so its acceptable now but maybe not be in the future.

not even indirect, but direct discrimination favouring Gozo residents over Maltese. ***

"but it is not impossible for someone resideing on malta working  on Gozo." - correct, and for Gozo residents to go to Malta for non-necessity reasons. Its a flaky argument.


** as we all know, its actually based on the address on your ID card NOT on your residence, and many Maltese residents have a Gozo ID card purely to get the lower rates on the ferry. This actually helps Gozo as it boosts the number of residents and so the Gozo Ministry gets more funding. It also means they have to vote in Gozo. I heard a case of a Sliema resident with a Gozo ID card complaining they couldn't get a Sliema parking permit :-)

whoa man this stinks...as we all know many of the local id cards dont have the real address for all sorts of reasons - parkign speeding fines etc etc etc ... mainly due to them not being bothered about keeping it up to date. There must be some law against that  -- who am i kidding - what laws.

ludicrous

This comment by the Ministry is obviously pointing at third-country nationals because they have always been required to be legally in Malta when applying for residency and also when receiving it !

So because of the delays they could get into problems. So such foreign citizens really need to get their appointment in time to fulfil the regulations.

If they have already overstayed their visa the new regulations will not help them to regularize their position.

For EU citizens the consequences are not really that serious, in comparison.

Cheers
Ricky

toonarmy9752 wrote:

i disagree on the must apply within the three months...if you choose not too.

an interesting comment spotted in the news this morning--
"A spokesman for the Home Affairs Ministry said that, although appointments were issued beyond June, this will not jeopardise foreigners’ immigration positions, provided they were RESIDING LEGALLY in Malta when given the appointment."

I GUESS THIS IS WHERE IT GETS MUDDY how can one reside here legally if after the first 9o days of living here as a tourist and that cant be regarded as resident or residing legally or can it?...  you have to apply for the new card and at thats stage havent got one? doesnt that make you illegal.

and thats what you really mean in order to comply with living here legally you MUST apply within the 90 days

toonarmy9752 wrote:

many of the local id cards dont have the real address for all sorts of reasons - parkign speeding fines etc etc etc ... mainly due to them not being bothered about keeping it up to date. There must be some law against that  -- who am i kidding - what laws.

ludicrous

if parking fines etc are not paid, you can't renew your road tax as it flags automatically - in fact the first time some people know about unpaid fines is when they come to renew their road tax !

there is a law against it - I think there is a fine of € 233 for not keeping your ID up to date.

georgeingozo wrote:

toonarmy9752 wrote:

many of the local id cards dont have the real address for all sorts of reasons - parkign speeding fines etc etc etc ... mainly due to them not being bothered about keeping it up to date. There must be some law against that  -- who am i kidding - what laws.

ludicrous

if parking fines etc are not paid, you can't renew your road tax as it flags automatically - in fact the first time some people know about unpaid fines is when they come to renew their road tax !

there is a law against it - I think there is a fine of € 233 for not keeping your ID up to date.

yes I know about that GnG - its actually one of the very best things about Maltas systems I love..becaue it seems to work ...but it seems the fining bit for not maintaining their id address is not beign enforced.