White zone in Nitaqat

that ur fired

salman_123 wrote:

that ur fired

Don't kid around with people @salman. It's not funny at all.

Answering the original question, white is the indicator that the company has no saudis. So it's nowhere is the saudization scale. Such companies will be shut down soon as govt. will revoke their comm. registrations. Try to look for some other job ASAP.

how do i check which profession is available for expats and not reserved for saudis

OK, Profession is Changed in Iqama. But how to change profession in Passport which is very much important to get visa on arrival at any GCC countries.. Any solution or how to change profession in Passport?

the only way to change your profession in your passport if you have support documents like certificate saying your graduated in your said profession and you can only do this in your own embassy. Mine is just and experience but you can still ask your embassy. goodluck

my friend i came here 6 months back. I have got my iqama after 3 months. Then i checked my company status online and it showed "white". We  have 5 people in the company and no saudi except the kafeel. I just want to know if i get another job will they release me easily?

i heard red, yellow and green but white, any idea about white company?

samahmed_1 wrote:

my friend i came here 6 months back. I have got my iqama after 3 months. Then i checked my company status online and it showed "white". We  have 5 people in the company and no saudi except the kafeel. I just want to know if i get another job will they release me easily?

As TLL said no saudi in your kafeel's company means no registered saudi>>> white

releasing is not a problem.

i was alone in my kafeel's contracting est, from last 4 years, it was white. i got my sponsorship changed on 4th of may to current company, in the morning the agent (mandoob, muaggib, mukhallas) applied from his system and in afternoon he handed over me my iqama.

I personally visited Ministry of Labour office. The official told me that White cateogry is not applied to Nitaqat and White cateogry means less than 10 employees.

wjahat14 wrote:

I personally visited Ministry of Labour office. The official told me that White cateogry is not applied to Nitaqat and White cateogry means less than 10 employees.

dear you are right, but this information was correct before 2 months, now nitaqat applies to even white category.

valar_morghulis wrote:

samahmed_1 wrote:

my friend i came here 6 months back. I have got my iqama after 3 months. Then i checked my company status online and it showed "white". We  have 5 people in the company and no saudi except the kafeel. I just want to know if i get another job will they release me easily?

As TLL said no saudi in your kafeel's company means no registered saudi>>> white

releasing is not a problem.

i was alone in my kafeel's contracting est, from last 4 years, it was white. i got my sponsorship changed on 4th of may to current company, in the morning the agent (mandoob, muaggib, mukhallas) applied from his system and in afternoon he handed over me my iqama.

did you pay anything to your old kafeel? or did he ask for that?

samahmed_1 wrote:

valar_morghulis wrote:

samahmed_1 wrote:

my friend i came here 6 months back. I have got my iqama after 3 months. Then i checked my company status online and it showed "white". We  have 5 people in the company and no saudi except the kafeel. I just want to know if i get another job will they release me easily?

As TLL said no saudi in your kafeel's company means no registered saudi>>> white

releasing is not a problem.

i was alone in my kafeel's contracting est, from last 4 years, it was white. i got my sponsorship changed on 4th of may to current company, in the morning the agent (mandoob, muaggib, mukhallas) applied from his system and in afternoon he handed over me my iqama.

did you pay anything to your old kafeel? or did he ask for that?

in four years i only pay him 1000 riyals, though he didn't ask for it. i have never seen nor heard any saudi like my previous sponsor in my 24 years( i am 28 now) which i spent in saudia, at time of release he didnt asked me anything.
i know he is paying chamber of commerce fee and whatever other fee's from his pocket (i dont know why).

you beleive ,  he called me few days back and asked me the procedure of sponsorship change, to tell his cousin so he can release his employees from his contracting est.

Let me tell you one thing. I personally confirmed with the labour official. He told white cateogry means less than 10 emplyees in the company. If the number exceeds more than 10 expats if there is one saudi it will come in red. If he hires 2 saudis and expats are 11 the company will come in green. Hope I answered your question.

wjahat14 wrote:

Let me tell you one thing. I personally confirmed with the labour official. He told white cateogry means less than 10 emplyees in the company. If the number exceeds more than 10 expats if there is one saudi it will come in red. If he hires 2 saudis and expats are 11 the company will come in green. Hope I answered your question.

the question was will he able to get release from white category to any green category company so answer is YES.

Did you asked the labor official that the white category company's employee can renew their iqama ??

if the answer is yes than nitaqat does not apply to White category.

if no than it applies on white category and it is confirmed, how ??

just let me find the post in Arab news and saudi gazette a month back i think so, that small enterprise and est must hire a saudi and even nitaqat applies to them.

Nitaqat does apply to white. At minimum they must hire a saudi with min salary 3000 SAR to become green.

TheLegendLeads wrote:

Nitaqat does apply to white. At minimum they must hire a saudi with min salary 3000 SAR to become green.

i was waiting for you to jump in.

Thanks @VM

There is a lot about white companies in the official MOL doc I shared on EB today.

Here is the link: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2372 … -final.pdf

Brother my company is in white category. They have 3 saudis and 2 expats. Then why it is not in green. My question to you is. You sent me a document in which there is not mentioned about White Cateogry. Actually White category people are safe because they didn't hired any extra expats. If so they would have been in red. Hope I answered to your question.

wjahat14 wrote:

Brother my company is in white category. They have 3 saudis and 2 expats. Then why it is not in green. My question to you is. You sent me a document in which there is not mentioned about White Cateogry. Actually White category people are safe because they didn't hired any extra expats. If so they would have been in red. Hope I answered to your question.

Just having saudis as employees isn't enough; there are checklists as well like:

- Are they registered in the company GOSI statements?
- What about their inclusion in the procedures of Zakat certification?

Your employer must contact MOL to check out why is organization listed white?

TheLegendLeads wrote:

wjahat14 wrote:

Brother my company is in white category. They have 3 saudis and 2 expats. Then why it is not in green. My question to you is. You sent me a document in which there is not mentioned about White Cateogry. Actually White category people are safe because they didn't hired any extra expats. If so they would have been in red. Hope I answered to your question.

Just having saudis as employees isn't enough; there are checklists as well like:

- Are they registered in the company GOSI statements?
- What about their inclusion in the procedures of Zakat certification?

Your employer must contact MOL to check out why is organization listed white?

and also are they getting more than 3000 or less than 3000 in that case they will be not considered as 1 saudi > no value.

valar_morghulis wrote:

wjahat14 wrote:

Let me tell you one thing. I personally confirmed with the labour official. He told white cateogry means less than 10 emplyees in the company. If the number exceeds more than 10 expats if there is one saudi it will come in red. If he hires 2 saudis and expats are 11 the company will come in green. Hope I answered your question.

the question was will he able to get release from white category to any green category company so answer is YES.

Did you asked the labor official that the white category company's employee can renew their iqama ??

if the answer is yes than nitaqat does not apply to White category.

if no than it applies on white category and it is confirmed, how ??

just let me find the post in Arab news and saudi gazette a month back i think so, that small enterprise and est must hire a saudi and even nitaqat applies to them.

i was about to ask the same question. I am in white category and i got my iqama last month. One of my colleague got her iqama renewed two weeks back. My kafeel is hiring 4 more people. If niteqat applies on white category then how can they do such things?

wjahat14 wrote:

Brother my company is in white category. They have 3 saudis and 2 expats. Then why it is not in green. My question to you is. You sent me a document in which there is not mentioned about White Cateogry. Actually White category people are safe because they didn't hired any extra expats. If so they would have been in red. Hope I answered to your question.

i somewhat agree with you. Seems like white category people are safer then red category people. Any guru can please help?

samahmed_1 wrote:

i was about to ask the same question. I am in white category and i got my iqama last month. One of my colleague got her iqama renewed two weeks back. My kafeel is hiring 4 more people. If niteqat applies on white category then how can they do such things?

good question

shortly before grace period when i wanted to renew my iqama i was unable to do >>> so i got my sponsorship changed.

i think within grace period white are allowed to renew their iqama and maybe after grace period if there is no saudi then white will become red or may be no iqama renewal >> TLL please confirm.

may be >> (One of my colleague got her iqama renewed two weeks back) this is the reason not sure

samahmed_1 wrote:

wjahat14 wrote:

Brother my company is in white category. They have 3 saudis and 2 expats. Then why it is not in green. My question to you is. You sent me a document in which there is not mentioned about White Cateogry. Actually White category people are safe because they didn't hired any extra expats. If so they would have been in red. Hope I answered to your question.

i somewhat agree with you. Seems like white category people are safer then red category people. Any guru can please help?

white category were safe before, i knows i was also in white category, but not after grace period ends.

(i am done with the info i had, i will leave it to experts because i dont want to hurt someone with wrong info or missguide anyone)

seems like a true statement.

what i experienced:

White category can hire candidates until they are less then 10.
white category can renew their iqamas
white category can get the iqama of new employees

but to come in green category they must hired a Saudi

valar_morghulis wrote:

samahmed_1 wrote:

i was about to ask the same question. I am in white category and i got my iqama last month. One of my colleague got her iqama renewed two weeks back. My kafeel is hiring 4 more people. If niteqat applies on white category then how can they do such things?

good question

shortly before grace period when i wanted to renew my iqama i was unable to do >>> so i got my sponsorship changed.

i think within grace period white are allowed to renew their iqama and maybe after grace period if there is no saudi then white will become red or may be no iqama renewal >> TLL please confirm.

may be >> (One of my colleague got her iqama renewed two weeks back) this is the reason not sure

oh yes .. you may be right because my kafeel delayed the process. He took almost 2 months for new iqama

valar_morghulis wrote:

i think within grace period white are allowed to renew their iqama and maybe after grace period if there is no saudi then white will become red or may be no iqama renewal >> TLL please confirm.

Absolutely. That's what grace period is all about. They'll pull plugs after 03 July.

White can hire maximum 4 AND the total count must remain below 10.

TheLegendLeads wrote:

valar_morghulis wrote:

i think within grace period white are allowed to renew their iqama and maybe after grace period if there is no saudi then white will become red or may be no iqama renewal >> TLL please confirm.

Absolutely. That's what grace period is all about. They'll pull plugs after 03 July.

White can hire maximum 4 AND the total count must remain below 10.

If white company  has 6 expats employees and then if they hire 1 saudi will they come into green?

samahmed_1 wrote:

TheLegendLeads wrote:

valar_morghulis wrote:

i think within grace period white are allowed to renew their iqama and maybe after grace period if there is no saudi then white will become red or may be no iqama renewal >> TLL please confirm.

Absolutely. That's what grace period is all about. They'll pull plugs after 03 July.

White can hire maximum 4 AND the total count must remain below 10.

If white company  has 6 expats employees and then if they hire 1 saudi will they come into green?

Yes

TheLegendLeads wrote:

samahmed_1 wrote:

TheLegendLeads wrote:

Absolutely. That's what grace period is all about. They'll pull plugs after 03 July.

White can hire maximum 4 AND the total count must remain below 10.

If white company  has 6 expats employees and then if they hire 1 saudi will they come into green?

Yes

thank you TLL. one last thing ... if after 3rd july my company comes in red ... then what will be the legal status of my iqama ... i got my iqama just 2 months back. Would i be consider legal or illegal? can i stay in the kingdom till the iqama expires or not (even after the company shuts down?)

You'll stay legal bro. Your sponsor will, however, run in troubles if he doesn't hire a local soon.

In the next iqama renewal you'll definitely face troubles in renewals and I believe in exit re-entries as well.

that means even after 3rd july i can find job and transfer myself to green zone company?

samahmed_1 wrote:

that means even after 3rd july i can find job and transfer myself to green zone company?

as long as your iqama is valid you are legal, you are working under your sponsor you are working legaly.

yes you can.

samahmed_1 wrote:

can i stay in the kingdom till the iqama expires or not (even after the company shuts down?)

a sponsor cannot shuts his company untill there is a single employee registered in the system, he has to release you from his compnay or deport you, only than he can be close his company/estb.

i am not sure if he can do if he declares his last employee as ranaway.

Let me know one thing. You are new to Saudi Right? You got your Iqama before 2 months Right? My question to you is before 2 months when you got your Iqama was your company was in white Category?

wjahat14 wrote:

Let me know one thing. You are new to Saudi Right? You got your Iqama before 2 months Right? My question to you is before 2 months when you got your Iqama was your company was in white Category?

if you read his post again, he said he came here six months back and after 3 months he got his iqama and then he checked status it was white. means three months back from now.

the companies with less than 10 employees are in white ever since nitaqat started.

valar_morghulis wrote:

samahmed_1 wrote:

that means even after 3rd july i can find job and transfer myself to green zone company?

as long as your iqama is valid you are legal, you are working under your sponsor you are working legaly.

yes you can.

thanks valar and TTL and specially the thread starter

valar_morghulis wrote:

wjahat14 wrote:

Let me know one thing. You are new to Saudi Right? You got your Iqama before 2 months Right? My question to you is before 2 months when you got your Iqama was your company was in white Category?

if you read his post again, he said he came here six months back and after 3 months he got his iqama and then he checked status it was white. means three months back from now.

the companies with less than 10 employees are in white ever since nitaqat started.

yes you are right ... my company was in white when i got my iqama

Thank you all of you. Thanks for your support. Share and help as much people as you can if you know the law. That is all I want to say.