Getting married in Brazil, Permanent Visa and documents required

James · 2013-07-14T20:47:50+02:00

PLEASE NOTE THAT NEW PROCEDURES FOR PERMANENCY APPLICATIONS BASED ON MARRIAGE / STABLE RELATIONSHIP / BRAZILIAN BORN CHILD HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE SINCE SEPTEMBER 1, 2014. THIS HAS STREAMLINED AND SPED UP THE PERMANENCY PROCESS. PLEASE SEE THE LINK BELOW FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THIS: https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=403321 Some of the major changes are that: a) Provided that all the documents are present and in order, permanency is granted immediately upon acceptance of the application, and your passport will be stamped to reflect permanent status. b) There is no longer a home visit (sindicância) conducted by the Policia Federal. c) All three processes; applying for permanency, registering in the RNE and applying for your civil ID (Cédula de Identidade Estrangeiro) are now all done at the same time, as opposed to under the old system where you had to do each one separately as the previous step was completed. ******************************************************************* Getting married in Brazil it is a complex and long multi-step process for foreigners. The first step is to gather all the necessary documents in your home country and the ones that must be "legalized" by the Consulado-Geral do Brasil (in country of issue) before you do anything else. I will list the documents you need at the end. The next step is to apply for your VITUR Tourist Visa, you have to hope that you will be granted a 90 day visa stay, since they are not all for that length of time. This depends on the visa officer who issues the visa. If you get a visa for anything less than 90 days it is unlikely you will have time to get married in Brazil before the visa stay expires. It can take anywhere from a month to two months to get through the whole marriage process. The first step once you arrive in Brazil with all the correct documents is that you and your future spouse go immediately to the Cartório de Registro Civil e Pessoas Naturais (Civil Registry) where she lives, submit all the documents and apply for PERMISSION to marry. The Cartório will probably give you a date for the wedding a month or two from that date. This is because the request for permission to marry must be sent to the Brazilian government, the government will then publish the marriage banns in the Official Gazette (Diário Oficial da União) for 30 days, after thirty days have passed and if there are no objections, then the permission will be granted and also published in the Diário Oficial da União. Only then can you get married. Once you are married then you should immediately go to the Policia Federal - Setor de Estrangeiros (Federal Police - Foreigner Sector) with your original Marriage Certificate and other necessary documents and apply for a VIPER Permanent Visa (com base em cônjuge brasileiro/a). When your visa application is accepted the Federal Police will issue you a protocolo which bears your photo, basic information about your identity, nationality, parent's names, etc., which will be valid for 180 days. The protocolo allows you to remain legally in the country until the visa process is completed. This can take anywhere from one year to two years under normal circumstances, even longer if there is any problem. So, you will have to continue going back to the Federal Police every six months (before the expiry date on the protocolo) to get it extended (prorrogação). They will stamp it and it will be valid for a further 180 days. You need to keep doing this until you finally get the visa issued. Once you apply for a VIPER visa based on marriage, it carries with it the right to obtain a work permit (Carteira de Trabalho) and work. You will have to request that the Federal Police note clearly on the protocolo that the application for the visa is based on marriage. They should also issue you a document called a SINCRE (Sistema Nacional de Cadastro e Registro de Estrangeiros) which is a computer printout of all of the personal information about you that is contained in the Federal Police database. You will need the protocolo and SINCRE in order to apply for the work permit, which can only be done at the Superintendência Regional de Ministério de Trabalho (Ministry of Labor - Regional Superintendent's Office). If the Federal Police refuse to issue the SINCRE when you apply, which they sometimes do, then the Ministry of Labor will accept a certified copy of your Marriage Certificate. You must also take the ORIGINAL to show them. Just like the protocolo, your work permit will only be valid for the period of time shown on the protocolo (180 days) and every time you go back to the Federal Police to extend the protocolo you will also have to take your work permit back to the Ministry of Labor and extend that as well, until you have the permanent visa, only at this point the Ministry of Labor will stamp the work permit as permanent. DOCUMENTS NECESSARY FOR MARRIAGE PROCESS 1. Original of your Birth Certificate (Long Form), which must have been issued within the previous 180 days or it will not be considered valid in Brazil. The long form is the registration of your birth which shows the full names of both of your parents, their nationality, etc. A wallet sized Birth Certificate IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, since it doesn't show your parents' names. The original Birth Certificate must be LEGALIZED BY THE CONSULADO-GERAL DO BRASIL in the country where it is issued AND THEN IT MUST ALSO BE AUTHENTICATED BY THE ISSUING COUNTRY'S CONSULATE IN BRAZIL or DEPT. OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS if done in the issuing nation. This is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY so don't omit this step or you won't be able to marry in Brazil. That must be done within the 180 day period that the document is considered valid. Once "legalized" by the Consulate then it will continue to be valid until used in Brazil. When you arrive in Brazil the Birth Certificate must be translated into Portuguese by a notarized translator (Tradutor Juramentada). The origninal of the Birth Certificate and translation must be submitted together to the Cartório at the time you apply for permission to marry. Get two Certified copies made of the Birth Certificate because you may be asked for one in the Permanent Visa process 2. A clear and legible Certified copy of your passport; identification page and visa page(s) - Note: Take the original passport to the Cartório, they will make the certified copies there. Get two Certified copies made since you need one for Permanent Visa process 3. A clear and legible Certified copy of your Entry Card - Note: again the Cartório will make this copy for you so take the original. 4. If you are single and never married before you need a Declaration from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (in your home country) that you are single. This must be "legalized" by the Consulado-Geral (in country of issue) and be translated into Portuguese here in Brazil. If you are divorced then you will need to produce either your Divorce Decree (final/absolute) in its entirety or a Divorce Certificate which is issued by the Court that granted the divorce. If you submit the Divorce Certificate it must also have been issued within the previous 180 days to be valid, so you can't use one you may already have, you have to obtain a new one from the Court. Whichever of these documents you intend to submit must also be "legalized" by the Consulado-Geral do Brasil (in country of issue) and translated into Portuguese in Brazil. It will also need to be authenticated by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (in the country of issue) or their Consulate/Embassy in Brazil. Your prospective spouse must submit the following: 1. Original identity document (Registro Geral) 2. Original Social Security Card (CPF - Cadastro de Pessoas Fisicas) 3. Original Birth Certificate 4. Proof of address (usually a telephone / electric / water bill will suffice) 5. Proof of date and location of birth of his/her parents (usually contained on your spouse's Birth Certificate) NOTE: The legal / document requirements may vary from state to state so you must check with the Cartório where you will marry if they require any additional documents. Documents Required for VIPER Permanent Visa Application 1. Completed application form, signed by the applicant. 2. Clear and legible Certified copy of applicant's passport (ALL PAGES - even if blank) or equivalent travel document. 3. Clear and legible Certified copy of applicant's Entry Card. 4. Certified Criminal Record Check / Police Conduct Certificate issued in country where you reside, may not be more than 90 days before sumbission or not considered valid. This document must also be "legalized" by the Consulado-Geral do Brasil in the country of issue. 5. 2 3 cm X 4 cm color photographs of applicant (on white background) Note: sunglasses or eyeglasses which might reflect light/flash must not be worn in these photos 6. International certificate of vaccination (if requested) 7. Clear and legible Certified Copy of Birth Certificate (if requested) or Marriage Certificate in the case of married women. 8. Proof of address (in Brazil) - phone/electric/water bill 9. Bank receipt for payment of visa fee (GRU - Guia de Recolhimento da União) 10. Any other documents that may be requested by the Federal Police. NOTE #1: If you are required to provide any kind of DECLARATION, these must be have the signature of the declarant certified by the Cartório (Reconhecimento da firma por autenticidade - ONLY; note that there are two different kinds of "reconhecimento" so make sure you specify the right one, this is also the more expensive of the two types, the declarant must appear in person at the Cartório and produce identification). NOTE #2: Religious/Church weddings are purely symbolic in Brazil, they do not have the force of law, since religious leaders do not have authority to issue Marriage Certificates. In fact, most churches will not perform the ceremony unless the celebrants have already been married in a civil cerimony. NOTES RE: - PROXY MARRIAGES (CASAMENTO POR PROCURAÇÃO) While Proxy Marriages are recognized in Brazil, they ARE NOT intended for those who have never before been in Brazil. They are intended to allow a marriage to take place when one or both of the parties may, for whatever reason, be unable to be present at the wedding. In order to arrange for a Proxy Marriage, BOTH parties must attend the Cartório TOGETHER, submit all the required documents and the party who is unable to be present will elect a Proxy (Procurador/a), who is empowered to stand in at the marriage and to sign the register. http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/flag/t67118.gif Cheers, http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/flag/t67054.gif James https://www.expat.com Experts Team

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dan001Active member13 August 2015 18:49:15

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James wrote:
Now you have me totally confused. What is the error on our Birth Certificate, the birthplace, the date of birth or both??? You've now mentioned both.

My mistake. Birthdate was a typo. Birthplaces are mismatched between long form birth certificate and passport/visa, but the dates are fine.

I'm wondering if this is something the consulate can answer for me when I go to get it certified by them.

Also, do you know if the 180 days for your long form birth certificate is from the date on the certificate (the received date), or the date it's certified by the consulate. I think certified is the right word for whatever the consulate has to do once I show them my Canadian long form birth certificate as part of the marriage process.

cupofjoeContributor13 August 2015 20:44:50

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dan001 wrote:
James wrote:
Now you have me totally confused. What is the error on our Birth Certificate, the birthplace, the date of birth or both??? You've now mentioned both.

My mistake. Birthdate was a typo. Birthplaces are mismatched between long form birth certificate and passport/visa, but the dates are fine.

I'm wondering if this is something the consulate can answer for me when I go to get it certified by them.

Also, do you know if the 180 days for your long form birth certificate is from the date on the certificate (the received date), or the date it's certified by the consulate. I think certified is the right word for whatever the consulate has to do once I show them my Canadian long form birth certificate as part of the marriage process.

The consulate won't be able to answer that question for you. Even if they did give you an answer, the cartorio can give you a different answer. It's all up to the cartorio and their answer is the only answer that matters. But I would suggest to get all discrepancies solved before you come to Brazil. The cartorio is very good at catching discrepancies and they won't budge, even on the smallest error.

For the second question, it's 180 days from the date on your certificate. Once your certificate is legalized at the consulate, there's no expiration date.

JamesViP13 August 2015 21:12:31

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Chalk up another correct response for cupofjoe, Brazil's rising star and right hand man to the Brazil Expert.

Which reminds me Joe, if you ever want to volunteer to be a second Brazil Expert, I'll push for it with Julien. You would really be an excellent addition to the Experts Team. Please think about it and let me know via PM.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

sharkster1Active member14 August 2015 00:09:57

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Thanks

dan001Active member14 August 2015 17:07:53

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Ok, so the 180 day period is the amount of time I have to get the consulate to legalize the the birth certificate once the birth certificate is issued to me, and then once that's done, I the wedding date can be over 180 days from the day and everything will still be fine. Did I understand that right?

sharkster1Active member18 August 2015 16:19:04

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Both my parents are deceased. My mother didn't have a middle name. On my Irish birth crrtificate, it has only my fathers first name. I am getting an Inscrição Consular from The Irish consulate and I mentioned this when I emailed my birth certificate. Still waiting for a response from them on that question. I know full parent names are important in Brazil. Should I just use my fathers first name as his middle name is not on my birth certificate? Thanks.

JamesViP18 August 2015 16:28:37

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dan001 wrote:
Ok, so the 180 day period is the amount of time I have to get the consulate to legalize the the birth certificate once the birth certificate is issued to me, and then once that's done, I the wedding date can be over 180 days from the day and everything will still be fine. Did I understand that right?

Yes, that's correct. Once legalized the document does not lose its validity.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

JamesViP18 August 2015 16:32:29

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sharkster1 wrote:
Both my parents are deceased. My mother didn't have a middle name. On my Irish birth crrtificate, it has only my fathers first name. I am getting an Inscrição Consular from The Irish consulate and I mentioned this when I emailed my birth certificate. Still waiting for a response from them on that question. I know full parent names are important in Brazil. Should I just use my fathers first name as his middle name is not on my birth certificate? Thanks.

No, just his first name and surname will be sufficient. It's not like you're a Brazilian with a name like José da Silva (like thousands of others) which would make the parents' full names of extreme importance. They don't get us gringos mixed up very often because if WE don't have an unusual name, certainly one of our parents will.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

sharkster1Active member18 August 2015 16:34:18

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Thanks!

sharkster1Active member21 August 2015 13:33:58

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I am really losing it. My cousin sent my birth cert from Ireland to Brazil with tracking and it disappeared. We reapplied and he just sent it again. I checked the tracking with Correios and my fiance said that it said because my cousin sent it reg mail, not express, it will be held up for 50 days before they ( brazil) decides to deliver it. I am running out of time. Will have to fly to Ireland and waste 3,000 euros. You ever hear of this? Thanks

MGR BRAZILMember27 August 2015 22:11:32

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Now the cartorio is asking me for a cpf number even though i am from united states to get married. Didn't say anything about that before of course until he was filling out the forms not knowing what to put for CPF??????! No other Cartorio asked for this, seems ridiculous. How can i get a cpf? Is that even possible? Should i get a lawyer, would that help any to make the marrige process go through?

JamesViP27 August 2015 22:32:25

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Hello MGR BRAZIL,

Cartório is wrong, you don't need a CPF in order to get married. That said, the Cartórios all over this blessed country act like they're a world unto themselves, they invent their own rules and change them whenever the whim strikes them. It's going to be easier for you to get your CPF than it will be to fight the idiots.

Go to the Banco do Brasil, Caixa Econômica Federal, Correios or directly to the Receita Federal with your passport and they'll issue you a CPF I think if you go anywhere but the Receita, that they send you there to finalize the process anyway because (another stupid thing) because you don't have a voters card, which you can't have because you're an expat, you have to go to the Receita to justify why you don't have one. Sorry, this is Brazil...... YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.

It will take you all of 15 minutes (maybe even less) to get your CPF at the Receita Federal. Surprise, surprise.... it's the number they use to tax you, so it is the ONLY thing in this whole nation that isn't steeped in tons of red tape, hoops to jump through and senseless bureaucracy!!! Don't waste your precious time trying to convince the Cartório that they don't know what they're talking about, that is useless.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

MGR BRAZILMember27 August 2015 23:25:22

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Wow. Thank you James, sigh

brduggaNew member28 August 2015 20:08:05

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My son is looking to get married in Brazil November 20, 2015. He lives in New Jersey and will be leaving October 1, 2015. He was in Belo-Horizonte - Brazil in February 2015 until the beginning of June when he came back to New Jersey. They had started the paperwork to get married back in June and had a wedding date scheduled but it was postponed. Do they have to start the entire process again? Will he be able to arrive in October 1 and get married November 20, 2015? He already used up 90 day for his first tourist visa and got another extension but he only used two weeks of that extension and came home to decide if he wanted to take the big plunge.

Please give me advise.

thank you

JamesViP28 August 2015 21:17:43

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Hello brdugga,

His fiancee should go back to the Cartório and arrange the new wedding date. The Cartório should have all the paperwork if the wedding was just postponed, he shouldn't have to start over again.

Just remember if he's used up 20 days of the extension he is only entitled to be in Brazil for 70 days, the marriage would need to take place within that timeframe. Once married, his visa status doesn't matter much. He will be in an irregular migratory situation, but if he carries a certified copy of the Marriage Certificate around with him, he can't be "invited" to leave the country. The Federal Police are also required to accept the permanency applications of anyone how is married to a Brazilian citizen, or who has a Brazilian child regardless of their visa status. These are the only two situations where that is done. That said, he really should apply for permanency as soon after the wedding as possible.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

brduggaNew member01 September 2015 01:24:14

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I also wanted to know which process is easier sending for his fiance for the 90 day fiance visa then getting married in the states or him flying to brazil to go through the vigorous process of her obtaining her visa through rio de jainero once married which I hear takes about 6 ;months to a year. His fiance said that she cannot come with the fiance visa because it's not allowed in the country right now. Im confused because everyone tells me about the fiance visa for other countries.

JamesViP01 September 2015 03:17:03

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Hello brdugga,

Well, I'm not really familiar with the intricacies of US visas, but I've not heard that certain categories of visas aren't available in certain countries. That is really something that you'd need to confirm with the US Consulate here in Brazil. If his fiancee is correct and for some strange reason the Consulate here doesn't issue K1 Visas then his only other option would be marrying here in Brazil.

I do know that if one enters the USA on a B!/B2 with the intention of marrying that is considered immigration fraud. Even though it is legal to marry on that visa, one must prove to USCIS that it was not their intention to marry when they entered the USA. It can result in a 5 to 10 year ban from entering the USA.

I'm not making any judgement of this young lady, since I don't know her at all. However, the idea that the K1 is not available here sounds rather strange to me. I really do think you should check it out. If it is actually available here I'd be concerned about why she thinks it isn't. How well does he really know this girl? Is there possibly some other reason that she just wouldn't be able to obtain a K1 Visa?

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

bala mohanActive member01 September 2015 12:47:03

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Hello Mr.James.
Does this case of immigration fraud (entering the country with the intention of marriage) also applies for the brazilian visa, when i am entering the country for the first time by airway.i have been to Brazil by ships twice and had spent around 3 months in total.but i do not possess any record of it with me.

JamesViP01 September 2015 14:49:14

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Hello bala mohan,

No, it is perfectly legal to marry in Brazil when you enter on a VITUR Tourist Visa.

What was being discussed it that the practice is considered immigration fraud in the USA if you enter with a B1/B2 Visit Visa with the intention of marrying. There it is necessary to have a K1 Fiancee Visa.

No problems here in Brazil, so don't worry.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

bala mohanActive member01 September 2015 15:48:52

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Many thanks Mr.James.
you are really wonderful person.your discussions helping me a lot.

brduggaNew member02 September 2015 00:46:43

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thank you for your response. He knows the young lady for a year now. She really wants to get married in Brazil with her family present. My next question is my son would like to enter Brazil again. he ended up extending the visa at the agency policia federal (90 days). I wanted to know if we can get him a ticket. he didn't use the total days. he only used like 6 days of the extension given. Do they take that into consideration as he returns to the country???! i hope we wouldn't have to go through the process again or does he have to wait to travel to Brazil until next year? How many times a year can one go to Brazi?

JamesViP02 September 2015 03:22:09

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Hi again brdugga,

Regardless of the date on the extension, the Federal Police only count the days based on entry and exit stamps in the passport, so your son would be entitled to any balance remaining that would bring him up to his allowed total of 180 days in any "rolling" year.

Just two things to point out here, all of the documents for the marriage process should be ready on arrival in order to avoid delays at the Cartório that might run beyond the departure date on the visa stay. As you mentioned the paperwork is already in at the Cartório so I presume it would be just a matter of re-setting the wedding date. So I guess that's not going to be a problem.

The marriage process takes anywhere from 30 to 45 days because the Cartório must publish the Marriage Banns in the Diário Oficial da União - DOU (National Gazette) for 30 days and then permission to marry is granted. Once married his visa status really doesn't matter anymore since the Federal Police are obligated to accept the permanency application of anyone married to a Brazilian citizen (or who has a Brazilian child) whether their visa stay is expired or not. These are the ONLY two circumstances where that is true. He should however have all the documents for the permanency process ready before coming here and apply as soon as possible following the wedding.

He won't need a Certified Criminal Record Check, that has been replaced with a notarized Declaração de Não Condenação form that the Federal Police will provide him. When the time comes, if there are any further questions about the application for Permanência Definitiva com base em cônjuge brasileira I'll guide him through it as I always do for those who need my assistance.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

stevefunkSerial expat02 September 2015 04:08:06

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Really , no more of those Police record checks....is that across the board
Those things are hard for me to get a hold of each time ...it takes 2 months for South African Police to issue it

JamesViP02 September 2015 04:20:59

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The Certified Criminal Record Check has been replaced with the Declaração Sob Pena da Lei de Não Condenação, for anyone who is applying based on marriage to a Brazilian citizen, or who applies based on having a Brazilian child... when they have NO PREVIOUS CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS.

Anyone who does have a previous conviction or is presently charged with an offense cannot swear such a document without committing perjury. Those with convictions or charges still would need to apply for the Certified Criminal Record Check. They would also not be granted permanency immediately like is now done with those who don't have convictions. Their case would be forwarded to the Ministry of Justice and be processed just like under the OLD SYSTEM, which could take years.

NOTE: A Certified Criminal Record Check is still required for those who are applying for naturalization as a Brazilian citizen.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

philmoto85Active member04 September 2015 22:56:52

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James

Just because I'm being a little slow. Which card exactly is the "Entry card"? Is that a card you get when you first go through customs coming into the country? Also as a U.S. citizen do you have an idea about getting a declaration of single marital status. Apparently the Dept of State does not issue them. Do you have a recommendation on fulfilling that requirement for marriage?

I may want to DM you about my situation.

Thank you in advance for your sage counsel.

JamesViP04 September 2015 23:31:14

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The entry card is a document that you will be given onboard Brazil bound flights, to fill out before arrival. You will present it to the Federal Police agent when you pass through the immigrations checkpoint. Depending on the airline you may only get it once you arrive at the checkpoint. You are required to keep it safeguarded and return it to the Federal Police when you leave Brazil. It will look something like the one below.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

philmoto85Active member05 September 2015 00:10:08

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Thanks James that's what I thought

Any thoughts about the Decleration that one is currently not married? Can the consulate in Rio certify something for me? Is that something I can get here in the US but not from the State Department?

philmoto85Active member05 September 2015 04:09:43

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Scratch the last James I found the answer after rescanning the thread.

But I know I'm going to have more questions later ;-)

bala mohanActive member05 September 2015 17:32:39

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Hello Mr.James.
Sir, i need your help.Now one more trouble comes to me.
As you may be aware my Brazilian girlfriend whom im planning to get married.
She is a divorcee and now a single mother.Her Ex-husband has already got married to another woman.and more disturbingly neither her first marriage nor her divorce is registered anywhere in brazil.now for me to get married to her,what should i tell about her status to cartorio while applying for marriage?
if i tell that she is single and if she produces a single status certificate,does it suffice.
Please advice me with any issues which may arise due to this while my marriage to her?
your information to me is of high value and help sir,please can you help me deal with this?

JamesViP06 September 2015 00:50:36

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Hello bala mohan,

It is quite probable that she was never actually married. It is quite common for Brazilian women to live with a man in a common law relationship. Unless she got married in a Cartório then according to the law she is still single, and thus free to marry.

If she was married, and subsequently divorced then both the marriage and divorce MUST be registered somewhere. I would be very concerned about this situation if I were you. You should ask her straight out if she was married in the Cartório. If she tells you that she wasn't then no problem. If she says that she was married in the Cartório then she can't re-marry unless she has either a Cartório divorce or a judicial divorce.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

bala mohanActive member06 September 2015 05:17:21

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Hello Mr.James.
I have asked her directly.she confirmed me that she has not registered her marriage in any cartorio and so the Divorce too.
If this is the the situation if she submits her single status certificate in cartorio,then she is legally free to get married .am i right?

JamesViP06 September 2015 09:12:44

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You didn't ask her what I told you to ask her..... DID SHE EVER GET MARRIED IN THE CARTÓRIO? (not registered)

Ask her if she had a civil marriage? "Está casada no civil?"

If she has never had a civil marriage then there is nothing to divorce because she was never married. Only the expat spouse needs to submit a single certificate, not the Brazilian spouse.

In Brazil, for women, once they marry and change their name, they must apply for new documents like their RG (Registro Geral). Since here the Marriage Certificate supercedes a woman's Birth Certificate all of her new documents would reflect that because they will show the originating document as CC plus the number (Certidão de Casamento). If her RG originating document is CN plus a number then she never married. Ask her to tell you what is written on her RG for the "Documento de Origem" line. That way you'll be sure.

Cheers,
James

philmoto85Active member08 September 2015 16:03:37

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Hey James. I might be over thinking some of this but I'm trying to dot my i's and cross my t's in preparing. I have a few specific questions about the process. So here we go

Does Declaration of Single status from US embassy need to be Translated officially and certified at the Cartorio?

For the Marriage, do all the forms need to be complete to ask PERMISSION to marry? or do they just need to be complete for the marriage date 30-60 days after applying for permission?

Where can I find the actual applications for the VIPER and CIE. I see the information for the process and requirements but I don’t see an online or downloadable application form. Do you know the actual weblinks at http://www.dpf.gov.br/?

What is the exact process for registering for the RNE? Is that just done while at the PF appointment?

For VIPER visa/CIE - does the proof of address (utility bill) need to be in the name of the applicant or the Brazilian spouse?

Will they still issue the protocolo with the more abbreviated time to get the VIPER?
is the SINCRE still necessary for the work permit?

JamesViP08 September 2015 16:58:40

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Hi Phil,

The Declaration of Single Status issued by the US Embassy/Consulate here in Brazil will probably be done up in Portuguese. Ask them "pretty please" and they'll probably do it in Portuguese. Like everything else, it will probably need to be notarized in the Cartório, but ask them first since you'll already be there anyway.

The DPF website has the form online at: https://servicos.dpf.gov.br/sincreWeb/ but you will also be given a paper one when you arrive at the DPF Delegacy, which they'll ask you to fill out by hand.

At the lower right corner of the DPF main webpage you'll see listed under ESTRANGEIRO "Requerer Registro/Renovarção click on that and complete steps 1, 2 and 3. Print everything off, pay the GRUs within 7 days of printing them and then go to the Superintendência Regional da Policia Federal in your city (or that has jurisdiction) at the date and time indicated on the appointment scheduled. Note: some don't actually have appointments so in that case just do everything and go there anyway, they'll fit you in.

Under the new procedures you do EVERYTHIING all at once, Petition permanency, register in the RNE and apply for the CIE (Cédula de Identidade Estrangeiro). The proof of address should be in your name, but if your spouse has changed her surname to yours they'll probably accept hers. They may accept it anyway since you've got to provide them with a Certified Copy of your Marriage Certificate.

If all the documents for permanency are present and complete then you are granted permanency immediately, your passport gets stamped "Registrado como permanente" and you get the protocol. The SINCRE used to be necessary for the CTPS under the old procedure because it took so long and you couldn't apply for the CTPS until you were registered. Now they will issue the CTPS based on the stamp in your passport, protocol and copy of your Marriage Certificate (take the original with you, they'll probably want to see it)

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

stevefunkSerial expat08 September 2015 17:18:59

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Hi
You don't apply for the CIE , it is part of the RNE process
RNE is a number you get registering as a Estrangeiro permanente (Permanent Foreigner)
and the CIE is the actual ID card that comes with the RNE no on it ...RNE no is like your ID number in Brazil

to register the RNE you need to book an appointment at the correct federal police which deals with estrangeiros
Pay 2 fees you get the bills to pay by registering on the PF site, take proof of payment with
take two 3 x 4 color photos
take your passport with VIPER , Make a copy of the WHOLE passport to give them - cover to cover
the copy of the VISA REQUEST FORM - has a picture of you on it(my consulate overseas never gave this too me! had to courrier it)
Proof of address -they wern't too strict on this with me , my wife was with , I think she had her moms bill but you never know....
The APPOINTMENT BOOKING FORM - print from internet , they send it to your email or you can access it on the site with all your personal info on once you fill it out

I think that's it , but best check their website , you have to take everything they ask for
Also it's best if your wife comes with you and you have the marriage certificate too, it helps smooth things over , like address etc

I recieved my VIPER from a consul overseas then went to brazil , so I had to check in at the federal police within 30 days , if you getting the VIPER from inside brazil I think it's done all at the same time now, you get a piece of paper called a Protocol with your RNE no on it which acts as a temporary ID till your CIE card comes.....mine took just 2 weeks
You also going to get a paper form called a SINCRE that the protocol gets torn off from
It has more info on you and it's important you need it to get a work document

The best advice I can give , having just done all of this is , be prepared to be told you have at least one thing missing you have to go chasing after , I thought I was super prepared , marched into the PF with everything , only to be told I had like 4 little things missing , they always find something .....same with all the other documents and the bank account.....it's like a real life puzzle video game in which you present the pieces only to be told you still need something else and you go scampering off again to find it....every so often you hit a road block like a government department strike or something

JamesViP08 September 2015 18:13:48

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Steve,

You certainly do need to apply for the CIE, it's right there on the DPF website. It's now all done at the same time, but they really are separate steps for each and separate fees too.

Cheers,
James Expat-blog Experts Team

stevefunkSerial expat08 September 2015 18:25:28

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Yes right I forgot the CIE is a separate payment ,thats the two payments I mentioned
The thing is it's confusing and by the time you leave it feels like it's been just one application , even though it is technicaly two at the same time

jland912Serial expat09 September 2015 15:49:49

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I was fortunate enough to have a Real PF Officer when I did mine. He had all of the paperwork organized and only asked for what was needed. It did seem like one process but it was several all at the same time.

sharkster1Active member11 September 2015 01:00:22

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Update
Good news - I have a wedding date from the Cartório Sat Sep 26 at 1220pm. Hooray!!!

Yesterday I went to the Cartório with Juliana and her mother and grandmother for witnesses to officially apply to get married. I'm glad I read this site because it is not for the faint hearted. I didn't sleep great and woke early so that never helps.
When Juliana and I were called we walked to the counter with all our documents and sat down. The woman looked stern ( chata) as Brazilians would say. She looked in my passport, saw that my current visit is over 90 days, closed my passport and said " Não pode casar" before we could explain that I got a prorrogação ( extension ) from Polícia Federal. We explained and showed her the stamp in my passport. She then said I needed to pay for a translator on my wedding day, which I knew. O said ok. When Juliana went to get our witnesses she asked me my profession and other questions which I answered in Portuguese.

sharkster1Active member11 September 2015 01:03:10

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Con't-
Juliana returned and suddenly the woman smiled and told Juliana my Portuguese was ok and we didn't need to pay for a translator. After getting witness info, she asked us to pick a date for the wedding. 😀😀😀

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