Getting married in Brazil, Permanent Visa and documents required

Yes for both questions.

1. Yes we got the original English one back.

2. I believe you are correct.

Also any document that you will need authenicated be sure to apostille before you return to Brazil.

Hi everyone,

new problems have arisen. because I was adopted as an infant from China and now live in the U.S., i only have a short form birth certificate given to me by the U.S. secretary of state. the only "long form" that shows my parent's birthday and place of birth is the report of adoption. do u think this is good enough to register my marriage at the consulate and get the viper?

also, i was wondering what rights come with a permanent visa in Brazil besides my ability to work? can i go in and out of the country more easily? how long can i stay in Brazil at a time? are their health and education options open to me? can i open up a BB bank account?

A recent ( less than 180 days old)  authenicated copy of your Birth Certificate along with the adoption papers should be good enough to register the marriage at the consulate.   

for the viper the federal police do not require the birth certificate. i got this list from the Federal police site

http://www.pf.gov.br/servicos-pf/estran … -casamento

Application for stay based on marriage

Application for stay based on marriage, as provided for in Administrative Rule MJ 4/2015 and related legislation (article 75, II, "a" Law No. 6815/80 and RN No. 108/2014 CNIg):
Own application, available in   https://servicos.dpf.gov.br/sincreWeb/ ;


Two (02) 3x4 size photos, recent, colorful, with white background.


Authenticated, clear and complete copy of passport or equivalent travel document;


Certified copy of the marriage certificate;


Authenticated copy of the Brazilian identity card of the spouse;


Declaration that they are not separated de facto or deed, signed by the couple, with recognized firms;


Declaration that he has not been prosecuted or convicted criminally in Brazil or abroad if he has not been married for more than 5 years;


Proof of payment of the respective fee.


Revenue Code: 140066 - R $ 168.13 (Request for Permanence)

Revenue Code: 140082 - R $ 106,45 (Foreign Registration)

Revenue Code: 140120 - R $ 204.77 (Foreigner's Card)



* To check whether there is available to schedule service, reprint form 154 or generate the GRU to pay rates, click  here



Note :.  The documents issued abroad must be legalized by the Brazilian consulate and translated by a sworn translator in Brazil.

I hope this helps

Jim

http://novayork.itamaraty.gov.br/pt-br/casamento.xml

it says that my birth certificate doesn't need to be less than six months old. but i can confirm it with them.

and yes! i don't need it for the permanent visa, that makes me happy.

About the permanent visa. If you just have a tourist visa it will only be valid for 90 days with a possible 90 more days per year.  With a permanent visa you can come and go as you please. You just cannot be gone from Brazil longer than 2 years.  After you apply for your permanency, since you are married to a Brazilian you cannot be expelled from Brazil.  It is to your benefit to get it. you will also need it to get a work permit.

Thank you. What documents will I need for a work permit? Also I don't need a police background check if I have no criminal record correct? Just signing the declariotion will be enough?

The declaration will be fine for the police report.

Documents for Work permit

RNE/CIE which is your permanency

CPF which is same as social security number. Very easy to get with your Passport.

Document such as utility bill or rent receipt showing your address.

Your passport.

I think a picture too.


I believe that is all.

It's very easy to get.

If at all possible, I wouldn't get a Brazilian bank account. Highway robbery is being nice when discussing the fees they charge.

but its easier to get cash no? like when i have to use my visa they take out money for the conviience fee. aso, how else do i prove my brazilian address?

I don't know what you have for income. I am retired I get a pension and social security. It is deposited in a US bank account.  I have credit cards and a debit card that doesn't charge a foreign fee. so I just go to the ATM when I want cash. I make most of my transaction by card. much simpler. i don't have a Brazilian bank account. My wife does.  I make a withdrawal and give her money from time to time as needed.  It works well and no fees.

I proved my address with a utility bill belonging to my wife. Since we are married they accepted it.

Hm that's interesting. I have chase visa, but before I live there permanently I'll go and see how and if I can get those fees waived. I'm a student who'll be graduating this may. I have student loans to pay online. Since my debit card and bank account works internationally, will I have any problem getting Brazilian pay checks from work deposited in there and then paying my loans back online?

Thank you! I know that if I apply for a permanent visa in Brazil it can take up to two years. But in the mean time, I can still get the work permit, correct?

The banks here all have their own different policies. You will just have to check with them.

Not anymore.  When you apply you are approved on the spot. You will be given a protocolo which is the temporary RNE/CIE. your Card will come in about 60 days.  The process used to take a long time but it is now streamlined.

Great!!

you should definitely make sure you have a credit card and a debit card that are free of foreign fees.  I use capitalone credit card and capitalone360 for bank account.

Jland,

I use the same cards but I was told I needed to pay from a Canadian bank. I haven't paid anything on my card yet because well I haven't used it yet. Did you experience some administrative problems paying your Capital One credit card here? Also I was told I needed my RNE to open my account. I was thinking of Bradesco. I don't want Banco de Brasil their service was lousy. Any recommendation?

Since I am retired my income is deposited in American banks.  So the payments come from them. My wife has an account with BDB here.  I don't have a Brazilian Bank in my name.

Hi Jland,  I was wondering for the VIPER you had a police background check done but the PF didn't care about it? You just signed their declaration? Or did you print out a declaration yourself, notarize at the cartorio and then bring it them?

I actually had a police report. They changed the requirements about the same time that I did my permanency. I even had it translated to portuguese.  When we gave the officer the report he gave it back and handed me the declaration. I filled it out and signed it. That took care of it.  The PF website still states the declaration instead of the police report. I know of 2 people who have recently gone through this. They had no problem.   If you are worried you could get the police report just in case.  Personally I would not be concerned.


Jim

Hello I join the discussion I don't know if I put my question on the right page but I'll post it again here I've been on the page before my wife and I got married in United States I have all the papers that need to be notarized when we get to Brazil we are leaving this may and we are going to register to get married in Brazil. What I like to know is do I have to buy a round-trip ticket or just one way any input you have would be appreciated thank you very much!!

Some of the Airlines may give  you trouble. Technically you are still a tourist until you get your RNE/CIE in Brazil.  you do not have to get married again in Brazil. All you need to do is register your marriage at the Brazilian consulate in the USA.  You should research to see what documents that you need.

If you come to Brazil as a tourist, on a tourist visa, the Brazilian Consulate will require round trip tickets before they issue a tourist visa.

Does that mean if we get married in the US and register the marriage at the consulate, we don't need to register it at the cartorio before going to the PF for a VIPER?

You still  need to register it at the cartorio before going to the PF for a VIPER. Does it make sense, not to me. Another Brazilian rip off. Cartorios are getting rich because of Beaucracy.

If you have to apply for a tourist visa you will need an ongoing ticket. not necessarily a round trip. An ongoing ticket would be one that takes you out of Brazil. You might want to consider a refundable one or just something very cheap you won't need to use.

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to give an update. Everything looks good. We will get married in the US in march at the county clerk. And as long as he doesn't apply or change his status we'll be fine correct?

and then apply for permanency in Brazil in June. do they ever reject VIPER applications? Are they easy to reject?

Thanks!

As long as you have all of the required documents you will get it. No matter they cannot expel you from Brazil because you are married to a Brazilian.   I do know that there have been cases where people have had to use the legal system to get it. i think you will be fine.  Congrats on your marriage. 

Jim

Thank you you've been very helpful  One other question I noticed someone Else on this page has  a travel day close to mine we are leaving in May but we're getting married in April is that enough time to have the marriage license translated at the consulate or do we have to wait to we get there?

Ours was 5 to 7 days.

After you get the Portuguese marriage liscence from the cartorio do you still need to apostille the original English marriage liscence for the PF?

The PF will use the one from the Cartorio.

Whoops.  I meant the BR consulate in the us. After you get the Portuguese marriage liscence from them, do you need to apostille it or apostille the English one to use for the VIPER?

It's new and a bit confusing for me. When we did it there was no apostille.  I would get two certificates apostille one and take them the other. One thing I am not clear about is why you have to authenicate it at the consulate when you are getting it apostilled which is the same thing.  See number 2 under the following document.

http://novayork.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/ … #apostille

yeah, i don't get it either. but I'll get three copies of the marriage licence. one for me, one for the consulate, and one to be apostilled. i asked the consulate and they said that there's is good enough for the cartorio and i wouldn't need an apostille. but they don't know about the PF. The PF doesnt answer their emails

Man, I'm not understanding the mail systems of our countries.

My parents went to San Jose and picked up new copies of my birth certificate and divorce decree back in the first week of December. They then had to go to SecState's office in LA to get the apostille for me. Thankfully they live in San Diego County, so it was somewhat on the way. My mom mailed the documents to me on the 15th. The USPS had nothing on them until the 30th, when they were processing through Customs-in MONTREAL!

It then took 5 days to leave Montreal and cross the border into New York. It took another 5 days for the Priority Mail envelope to leave New York.  The USPS tracking page had it sitting at "Departed Location in Rio de Janeiro" for 5 days. Now it's "Held in Customs."

"Held in Customs"? It's two freaking documents? Sure, they're legal documents, but how the hell long can it take to notice that a flat envelope has no contraband and nothing they can charge taxes on in it? Hell, it should have been able to fly through Customs, but now it's in the "What can we charge this foreigner" department. Where it will probably sit for another week before they pull their thumbs out of their anal orifices and decide to send it on its way.

My mother also sent us Xmas cards in the 1st week of December. Those still haven't gotten here yet. Sometimes letter-sized stuff only takes two weeks, while at others it takes 2 months.

After you go through the process it would be helpful to others to post your experience with this. In the meantime anything you need I'll try to help you.

Jim

I think maybe if I am going to send important documents it might be a good idea to use FEDEX UPS or something like this.