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Many folks welcome plural citizenship ....

Last activity 20 January 2014 by beppi

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John C.

... because common wisdom says that two passports are better than one.
It is not for everybody and we all already know the benefits of being dual (or triple) citizens.
What is the downside though?  :unsure

Primadonna

The downside is like many people in the Netherlands for example experiences in a bad way is that those people who have dual citizenship and their job is in the criminal circuit or behave very bad in public towards others that they can't deported to their own country.

John C.

Primadonna wrote:

The downside is like many people in the Netherlands for example experiences in a bad way is that those people who have dual citizenship and their job is in the criminal circuit or behave very bad in public towards others that they can't deported to their own country.


Thank you for your news. I never thought at that.  Really.
Bad as that situation is, it is not a downside to the dual passport holder, is it?  :/

James

The downside of having more than one passport actually is relatively small, however if you have a passport from some countries you might not get treated well when entering some countries. Most nations have a "number rating" for passports from other nations. The lower the number the more scrutiny you will face at Customs & Immigrations and you might even get turned away from some countries altogether.

For example, I wouldn't want to put money on being allowed entry to Spain with a Brazilian passport. You might have extreme difficulty being allowed into the USA with a passport from Columbia, Afghanistan or Pakistan. Brazil makes is very difficult for holders of Indian and Pakistani passports to obtain visas, much more so than for many other nations.

I'm very thankful that I hold a Canadian passport, it is guaranteed to earn me great treatment wherever I go.

Cheers,
William James Woodward - Brazil & Canada Expert, Expat-blog Team

beppi

Multiple citizenships are a burden if the counties involved tax world income (like the US does), thus you'll be double taxed (or more).
They can also be a burden if compulsory national service is involved, which then one might have to do twice.

aryavrat

Thanks you all for this information...its really worthy

John C.

wjwoodward wrote:

The downside of having more than one passport actually is relatively small, however if you have a passport from some countries you might not get treated well when entering some countries. Most nations have a "number rating" for passports from other nations. The lower the number the more scrutiny you will face at Customs & Immigrations and you might even get turned away from some countries altogether.

For example, I wouldn't want to put money on being allowed entry to Spain with a Brazilian passport. You might have extreme difficulty being allowed into the USA with a passport from Columbia, Afghanistan or Pakistan. Brazil makes is very difficult for holders of Indian and Pakistani passports to obtain visas, much more so than for many other nations.

I'm very thankful that I hold a Canadian passport, it is guaranteed to earn me great treatment wherever I go.

Cheers,
William James Woodward - Brazil & Canada Expert, Expat-blog Team


Hello James,  :)
Thank you for (edit added: restoring) my accelerating pulse down to normal pulse:)  I thought there could be some dire consequences about carrying a wallet full of passports, some secrets I did not know. No, there are no dire consequences; at least not yet.  :)

My view on dual (or plural citizenship) is that they are mostly for well-heeled businessmen to travel, establish and purchase residences and invest in factories freely in any country they see opportunities, not for international creeps.  There are several countries which sell economic citizenship and for good reason.

I admit that the situation with citizenship duality got complicated, yet still not out of hand.
How can creeps get second passports after all the background checks and international bodies like Scotland Yard watching closely, is strange.

Why would USA easily issue visas for Colombians, Afganistanis and Pakistanis but then give the tourists from those countries trouble at the points of entry? This is strange and crazy too. Or maybe it's just one way of extracting non-refundable visa fees and then turn the back on actual permission to enter the country.

Brazilian passports not good for Spain? This is really crazy.  Actually, lots of crazy thing happen everywhere these days …  This is why it’s good to have more than one passport, isn’t it?  :D  (Now here we go again, we are back in square one! …)   :(

John C.

beppi wrote:

Multiple citizenships are a burden if the counties involved tax world income (like the US does), thus you'll be double taxed (or more).
They can also be a burden if compulsory national service is involved, which then one might have to do twice.


Hi there,  :)
So far only USA does worldwide income taxation, as far as I know, but, because I do not monitor these things, maybe there is another country or two which has abusive tax collection practices.
Here in this forum I just saw Panama has proposed legislation for worldwide income taxation but strong bodies protested and the proposal may be repelled these days. (See the Panama section for more details).

When you say national service, perhaps you refer to military service.
I know a true story for a fact. A Russian who got his Canadian papers sorted out and passport visited Moscow to see his relatives. Someone turned him in and the guy saw himself snatched out of bed and thrown into the Navy military service for two full years ... I do not know if later on he gave up his Russian citizenship though ...

I think that after the age of 45 things that happen at a younger age do not happen anymore.

On another note, I see there is an increase of Americans leaving for good giving up USA citizenship.  The most profiled one was Eduardo Saverin, Facebook co-founder, who gave up his USA citizenship in May 2012 right before the Facebook IPO and went to Singapore.
There are lots of Americans coming here to the island (although they are not the abandoned citizenship type) and they all look traumatized ... which is tragic/comic ...  :unsure

beppi

Many European countries also tax on worldwide income, but they usually (and unlike USA) have many exceptions, loopholes and tax treaties with certain countries to avoid double taxation.
If you earn lots (or are still at national service age), do your research before acquiring another citizenship!

Also: In many countries double citizenship is illegal and, though sometimes practised "under the table", can get you into jail!

Primadonna

Yes, John C, for them is not a downside on dual citizenship.
Problems with multiple citizenships depends clearly on what passports you carry and use.

I have more then one and I don't have any problems until now but I am an honest woman.

John C.

beppi wrote:

Many European countries also tax on worldwide income, but they usually (and unlike USA) have many exceptions, loopholes and tax treaties with certain countries to avoid double taxation.
If you earn lots (or are still at national service age), do your research before acquiring another citizenship!

Also: In many countries double citizenship is illegal and, though sometimes practised "under the table", can get you into jail!


Thanks Beppi!  :)
I am glad I am out of Europe. I do not look for acquiring new citizenships at all, and if I did, rest assured I would go only through legal channels. I have too nice a profession (and results!  :D  ) to entangle myself in a mesh of stupid things with stupid people. I opened this thread to clarity the matter discussed in another thread at https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=325705

Double citizenship illegal in many countries? Wow, when is humanity going to finally come out of caves and start saying and doing the freedom they preach?  :mad:

John C.

Primadonna wrote:

Yes, John C, for them is not a downside on dual citizenship.
Problems with multiple citizenships depends clearly on what passports you carry and use.

I have more then one and I don't have any problems until now but I am an honest woman.


but I am an honest woman.
That's it.  :top:  (edit added: Keep it that way, but also think at becoming a highly profitable honest lady).   :unsure

magnus

If you Swedish you only pay tax in the country you live.
The exception is that if your earned a extra benefit pension you will pay income tax on that pension in Sweden.

John talked about dual and three citizenships. I actually know a girl with 4 citizenships.
Born in Mexico while here Brittish and Swedish parents worked there she war born with 3 citizenships.
She moved as a adult to some country I dont remember and after some years also obtained citizenship there.

I guess the downside is to pay for passport renewals times 4. haha

John C.

magnus wrote:

If you Swedish you only pay tax in the country you live.
The exception is that if your earned a extra benefit pension you will pay income tax on that pension in Sweden.

John talked about dual and three citizenships. I actually know a girl with 4 citizenships.
Born in Mexico while here Brittish and Swedish parents worked there she war born with 3 citizenships.
She moved as a adult to some country I dont remember and after some years also obtained citizenship there.

I guess the downside is to pay for passport renewals times 4. haha


Hi Magnus,  :)

Imagine how many citizenships the man who marries her will get.  :cool:
I hope she is smart enough to marry someone from another country than the countries for which she holds passports so she could get a new passport again.  :/

beppi

Marriage does not automatically give the partners each other's citizenships!

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