Is your Nationality the key to get high salary in any company?

Perception is as follows:

1) Coming from western background, has some knowledge, went to a reputable school, excellent communication of English command, conversion rate ideal for that amount of salary.
2) Can speak Arabic & English, accepted salary,
3) Cannot speak Arabic and 3000 for him like salary of minister back home.

Again that's perception saying .... not me ....

Hey,

Even if differs among arab countries (Lebanon, Jordan,Egypt & Syria ... ).
I have no accurate answer for this, but i think it depends on the living cost in each country.

Yes I agreed with you even it's different in arab countries.
Why depend on living cost? it's not company problem, company should have one standard for everyone...

Akprince wrote:

Yes I agreed with you even it's different in arab countries.
Why depend on living cost? it's not company problem, company should have one standard for everyone...

Yes they should, but it's not the case.

and then what is the case ?

Yes indeed unfortunately  it's not fair at all
It's a culture issue nothing else

If you have blue eyes you will get more this is the rule 😃

Not necessarily all true but on some points yes it is,

Nevertheless, back again it's depend on individual bargain power when he/ she being interviewed and finally hired by the user or the company.

Selling out your skill and expertise and how the individual perform the confidence to the company for what they are genuinely great in their professional works quality and can assure that is the main key points to have a really good or even better salary expectation than they wish for,

But sometimes it's also based on good luck which it's happens.

Noviyanti wrote:

Not necessarily all true but on some points yes it is,

Nevertheless, back again it's depend on individual bargain power when he/ she being interviewed and finally hired by the user or the company.

Selling out your skill and expertise and how the individual perform the confidence to the company for what they are genuinely great in their professional works quality and can assure that is the main key points to have a really good or even better salary expectation than they wish for,

But sometimes it's also based on good luck which it's happens.

Confidence and skills will work on field once you have knowledge about your job. Yes their is luck if your mother tongue is Arabic... 

Akprince wrote:

and then what is the case ?

deal it with I guess.

hamudi wrote:

Akprince wrote:

and then what is the case ?

deal it with I guess.

I know a British man who's working in aramco as paper distributer for the copy machine in one of the building I I swear he is getting 40000 Sr

Specialy in aramco you will get your salary based on your nationalty only
American
Canadian
British
Europe countries
Australian
Saudi
Arab countries
Others
No matter what is your qualification!

Noureddin.m.r wrote:

Specialy in aramco you will get your salary based on your nationalty only
American
Canadian
British
Europe countries
Australian
Saudi
Arab countries
Others
No matter what is your qualification!

I agreed with you..... 

Yes .I think reason is different living cost and  currency conversion factor and off course the nationality of key position person who need people.
For the same position indian, Phillipino and Pakistani national will agree at different salaries with later accepting the lowest.
This is an experience of mine. Besides everybody is more comfortable with similar nationality people.

This is not the lesson of ISLAM what's going on, Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said ''No different between, Arab or Ajam, White or Black, Rich or Poor, every one is same'' , you will not find this different in US, Australia, Canadan, ..etc...

Yeah. Then why not follow it? Why different?
Difference is not even proportional to qualifications!

Yes that's make me surprise, why not follow...

Akprince wrote:

This is not the lesson of ISLAM what's going on, Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said ''No different between, Arab or Ajam, White or Black, Rich or Poor, every one is same'' , you will not find this different in US, Australia, Canadan, ..etc...

Thing is in those countries they have something called "rights" which I believe you don't have here.

So like I said before, deal with it.

My two cents:

The purchasing power parity is different for each of these nationality . What a westerner can buy with 1 dollar there, an arab can buy in his country and an asian in his country is different and hence the difference in pay.

We are now in a global economy and purchasing parity is not hugely different any more these days and pay difference should ideally relate to education / skill sets / experience etc.  However a lot of local companies still practice this, which is slowly changing. If you look at some multinationals now their pay scales are uniform across the organization based on role, with relocation or other allowances specific to local country or outside locations.

What you think if i studied in USA and spent lot's of money after that I joined any one of company here and same American guy join with me too, then why the different of salaries? We studied together living together in one place?

hamudi wrote:

Akprince wrote:

This is not the lesson of ISLAM what's going on, Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said ''No different between, Arab or Ajam, White or Black, Rich or Poor, every one is same'' , you will not find this different in US, Australia, Canadan, ..etc...

Thing is in those countries they have something called "rights" which I believe you don't have here.

So like I said before, deal with it.

You are genius bro.. 

now now boys...

Guru - no such thing as stupid question every question has an explanation.

Prince - it's explained about purchasing power by 3 members on here.

Now since this is a "developing country" and there is a need of manpower the company fulfills the needs. That's another topic.

You're talking about a fresh grad, let's talk about an experienced worker (and this has been discussed here)

Some one in US makes 6000$ month which is 22500SR, now why would he/she move to this country if they're offered the same. Because they have that extensive experience the company offers attractive packages, hence boosting that to at least minimum of 35,000 which is approx. 9200USD/month. So this person considers the amount of raise their r getting, factors in other benefits such as 30 days vacation, etc etc and accepts it.

Now in a country like India/Pakistan, the same person with same experience makes around 3500USD or 210,000 INR or 366,000 PKR/ month, for that person to move here leaving behind all the colorful festivals, family gatherings, etc etc would be happy if he got offered 6000USD or 360,000 INR or 628,000 PKR. That's deemed if he see's no increasing power in his salary.

so to conclude, the white man with pretty blue eyes or brown man with burgundy/blue passport doesn't get paid cuz of the passport. It maybe was the norm back in the day but now even Saudis have smartened up and hence many companies are changing their policies.

Now keep in mind, some have to pay taxes back in their home countries, so they live a normal life, some don't care for tomorrow and live today to their fullest.

Why do u think, when maids and drivers come here and work for Saudis and go back in few years? They make enough to be able to establish themselves back in their country. Yet, the same Saudi is struggling to pay his loans, car payments and wife/mistress wishes...

Now if you're a fresh grad and suffering because of this, don't let it bother you, compete and try to make yourself better, take personal development courses, see what you're doing wrong, think outside the box, don't be a doer be a go getter, keep yourself well groomed, go to work in nice attire, write well. No disrespect but I keep getting CVs from some "said" nationalities who put selfies as their profile pics, tshirts that says "ready to party", I know you're ready to party for weekend, heck that's what I look forward to, but not professionally. Big No No, I reject it alatoool.


Lastly, if your love for Islam has brought you here in this country, don't be "Hasudi"( I don't know English word for it) Just say "Mashallah" to whatever the guy is making and keep your iman strong brah, you'll be a shining star.

One more thing....Deal with it!

Guys,
Please calm down.

hamudi wrote:

Now if you're a fresh grad and suffering because of this, don't let it bother you, compete and try to make yourself better, take personal development courses, see what you're doing wrong, think outside the box, don't be a doer be a go getter, keep yourself well groomed, go to work in nice attire, write well. No disrespect but I keep getting CVs from some "said" nationalities who put selfies as their profile pics, tshirts that says "ready to party", I know you're ready to party for weekend, heck that's what I look forward to, but not professionally. Big No No, I reject it alatoool.


Lastly, if your love for Islam has brought you here in this country, don't be "Hasudi"( I don't know English word for it) Just say "Mashallah" to whatever the guy is making and keep your iman strong brah, you'll be a shining star.

Excellent views!

Hamudi, I agreed with you all what you said, i know all about that. Well I am not new here or spreading my legs out of my mate either, What I am getting Thanks Allah.

I can accept these factors in one conditions, close my eyes and faith of EMAAN and let them do what they are doing, everyone have to answer his own front of Allah, I feel sorry for lot's of people here, those are suffering bcuz of uneducated people when companies put them on their head after all they are not even well qualified to hire for that job.. Simply one example of my company;

I am Administrator Assistant since 2010 in this company, I have more than 14 years experience in different fields too, In my branch 99% are Egyptians , and non of them knows how to write his own application if they required something from Head Office even, but talking out load, standing in the middle of office, speaking on phone like other person is def, and shouting staff like they are the one only working not others.

Electrical Engineer hired on 17,000SR Basic salary and during meeting Project manager raised issue of two pin/three pin switches are not on site since one month we ordered, that engineer asking me what is two and three pin switches...    OMG and he showed on his CV 12 years experience in different companies, lot's of courses, seminars, certificate of Engineering (Is that selling out in market ?).

When such kind of things happening front of me or anyone I am sure hard to bear that pain why companies hire puppies to play in office.

Peace guys it's just one example there is millions cases in thousands companies.
I apologize if I hurt someone by mistake..

Shall we close the case then boys

Noviyanti wrote:

Shall we close the case then boys

Noviyanti wrote:

Shall we close the case then boys

I think yes. With the verdict: "Deal with it." 

The OP has to decide though.

I mean let us try to be calming down a bit bout this excellent discussion topic coz it seem it's getting deeper and serious,
Just saying my thought though.

It was just about salary topic....
If you come to hiring base, you will go more deep....

Akprince wrote:

Hamudi, I agreed with you all what you said, i know all about that. Well I am not new here or spreading my legs out of my mate either, What I am getting Thanks Allah.

I can accept these factors in one conditions, close my eyes and faith of EMAAN and let them do what they are doing, everyone have to answer his own front of Allah, I feel sorry for lot's of people here, those are suffering bcuz of uneducated people when companies put them on their head after all they are not even well qualified to hire for that job.. Simply one example of my company;

I am Administrator Assistant since 2010 in this company, I have more than 14 years experience in different fields too, In my branch 99% are Egyptians , and non of them knows how to write his own application if they required something from Head Office even, but talking out load, standing in the middle of office, speaking on phone like other person is def, and shouting staff like they are the one only working not others.

Electrical Engineer hired on 17,000SR Basic salary and during meeting Project manager raised issue of two pin/three pin switches are not on site since one month we ordered, that engineer asking me what is two and three pin switches...    OMG and he showed on his CV 12 years experience in different companies, lot's of courses, seminars, certificate of Engineering (Is that selling out in market ?).

When such kind of things happening front of me or anyone I am sure hard to bear that pain why companies hire puppies to play in office.

Peace guys it's just one example there is millions cases in thousands companies.
I apologize if I hurt someone by mistake..

You see, i'm tempted to write another essay on this, but i'll let it go and give a simple explanation.

Once, I replied to the CEO of a company that I cannot offer him cisco and i'm making a decision to go with Juniper, his response "What is Juniper". Did I flip ? probably for a few seconds laughing that this guy is a CEO and doesn't know what Juniper is, I don't blame him. He's probably an expert belonging to a different field that doesn't know it.

So if I come to you in a meeting and ask you "perpetual FIFO" you'll be clueless. In your line of work you'll encounter many idiots who will be oblivious to what someone else does and need. and you know what man, I just deal with it.

I agreed with you hamudi, but I am not one of them who deal with it.
I may have patience but I never accept such things if it's against human law.

in other words....c'est la vie

hamudi wrote:

in other words....c'est la vie

Yea it's life... 

Akprince wrote:

This is not the lesson of ISLAM what's going on, Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said ''No different between, Arab or Ajam, White or Black, Rich or Poor, every one is same'' , you will not find this different in US, Australia, Canadan, ..etc...

Who says it should be according to Islam? You? Why do you think you as Muslim should have special treatment in Saudi Arabia? and why do many Muslims look at Saudi Arabia as if it was some sort of caliphate to the degree of lecturing us if you guys are disappointed about the 'un-Islamic' laws after coming here or for not finding the Islamic Utopia? Don't you know that there are many non-muslim immigrants too? Didn't you do your home work and read about the country and the laws of work here before arriving? Saudi Arabia is nation of state, we have our laws and you either agree on it before arriving or if you don't like it perhaps go to another Islamic country where they can offer this equality you're speaking about?

Canada, Australia, UK, NZ..etc. are not Islamic by the way, they're western and have 'western' values\ laws. Which Islamic countries have adapted to human rights and equality like these western countries? None.
Saudis themselves are paid less than many Arab nationalities for the same job and sometimes Saudis have better qualifcations (my friend's sister is an example, studied French language, graduted from top-rated Canadian university, found a job, was paid less than her foriegn expat colleague who have high school diploma) locals aren't offered health insurance and \ or transportation allowance (imagine a Saudi Arabian woman paying half of her salary for drivers while non-Saudis are paid transportation allowance and tell me more about this so called 'Islamic equality'). Being a muslim doesn't mean you should be having special privileges in Saudi Arabia or else.

This whole hierarchy in salaries based on nationality thing is obviosuly unfair, harmful (to citizens as much as to non-citizens) and IMO it need not to be like this for many reasons which I can't explain here. I can understand that they need to pay expats from developed countries more to attract them to come and work here, espically westerners as they're going to sacrifice alot of their lifestyle and freedom for a while and to be honest they truly do have good work ethics (not all but deff many precentage-wise), come in small numbers, can teach us alot. To the contrary, I've seen many lousy workers coming from Arab countries with poor work ethics, cheat (fake certificate), bully Saudis to quit their jobs and have astronomical salaries compared to many good workers  with excellent work ethics and dedication who come from supposdly 'less developed' asian countries e.g  Filppino expats  So, as Saudi Arabian myself, I support equal payment, not based on religious affliations, rather based on actual qualifactions and strong work ethics. 

Side note: I've studied Islam my whole life and that hadith you qouted doesn't speak about work\state laws. It is a totally diffrent matter\meaning, it is about how we're judged infront of God. Also, Canada, Australia, USA are all anglophone 'new world' countries, you pay taxes there, you're needed as immigrant to support the economy of these industrialized countries and you can easily become a part of the multicultural countries. Comparing us to them is incorrect in so many ways. Why don't you compare us to other Islamic countries? Can I as Saudi Arabian move to your country and be treated EXACTLY like the citizens or have higher salary than the locals just because I'm Muslim? I doubt it.

Oh boy, here we go again

And interesting last point, I wonder what the Pakistanis will do if Saudis move there to work...

bravo.....every word is true.