Blacklist

Several threads on this very topic on this forum in the last year or two.  The short answer is you will need to pay $3000-$4500 to get off the list.  Nobody has been able to get around the "fee".

Most recently a guy “paid” $8000......and still on a “list”.

He contacted his consulate who informed him he wasn’t actually on a blacklist.     His ex girlfriend “arranged” with apparently corrupt immigration people to let him back into Vietnam for a “fee” , which he paid to enable him to see his young daughter, attend to his food business AND obviously access his bank account to pay the “fees”.

Then,,,he gets told to pay another “fee” or leave Vietnam.  So he pays the fee again........and is still up shit creek.    I actually know this guy.  It’s a long story.   

Women trouble appears to be the root of the problem.

If you’ve got something here in Vietnam ,,a business ,a child , property etc....you can be “lent on” and extorted for money.   I can’t imagine a dreadlocked hippie tourist paying $4000 to extend a visa ...can you.😆

The above guys problem is simple.   He fell out of favour with his woman & ran out of money .  He is NO longer a provider,,,he’s now a passenger, dead wood etc.   

For her to further her quality of life , she will cull the dead wood , take over the business & look for another provider & in the process milk every last cent out of the last sucker.

The sad story appears on his Facebook ( since deleted) .  The last post ironically is a photo of an ATM machine with an “out of order” sign on it.

That is another reason why Yogi, while ever his ass points to the ground will never invest a cent here......what’s that tourism saying....take only photos,,leave only footprints

🐾🐾🐾🐾🐾

PAW NOTE
No prizes for guessing who the fees were split with

Yogi007 wrote:

Most recently a guy “paid” $8000......and still on a “list”.

He contacted his consulate who informed him he wasn’t actually on a blacklist.     His ex girlfriend “arranged” with apparently corrupt immigration people to let him back into Vietnam for a “fee” , which he paid to enable him to see his young daughter, attend to his food business AND obviously access his bank account to pay the “fees”.

Then,,,he gets told to pay another “fee” or leave Vietnam.  So he pays the fee again........and is still up shit creek.    I actually know this guy.  It’s a long story.   

Women trouble appears to be the root of the problem.

If you’ve got something here in Vietnam ,,a business ,a child , property etc....you can be “lent on” and extorted for money.   I can’t imagine a dreadlocked hippie tourist paying $4000 to extend a visa ...can you.😆

The above guys problem is simple.   He fell out of favour with his woman & ran out of money .  He is NO longer a provider,,,he’s now a passenger, dead wood etc.   

For her to further her quality of life , she will cull the dead wood , take over the business & look for another provider & in the process milk every last cent out of the last sucker.

The sad story appears on his Facebook ( since deleted) .  The last post ironically is a photo of an ATM machine with an “out of order” sign on it.

That is another reason why Yogi, while ever his ass points to the ground will never invest a cent here......what’s that tourism saying....take only photos,,leave only footprints

🐾🐾🐾🐾🐾

PAW NOTE
No prizes for guessing who the fees were split with

Was this guys business in Hoi An?

You get the cigar.....

Yogi007 wrote:

You get the cigar.....

I'd rather a few Uncle Ho's in my pocket.

Thanks for that.
Were you blacklisted?

Diggers Rest wrote:

Thanks for that.
Were you blacklisted?

You need to hit the 3 small dots in the right hand corner of the post you want to quote and reply to. Otherwise, nobody knows who you are talking to.

colinoscapee wrote:

You need to hit the 3 small dots in the right hand corner of the post you want to quote and reply to. Otherwise, nobody knows who you are talking to.

Are you referring to the site as seen on a phone or tablet?  I don't see three dots but I do see a word at the bottom of the post that says "Quote."  Clicking that opens a new page with the reference in quotes.

THIGV wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

You need to hit the 3 small dots in the right hand corner of the post you want to quote and reply to. Otherwise, nobody knows who you are talking to.

Are you referring to the site as seen on a phone or tablet?  I don't see three dots but I do see a word at the bottom of the post that says "Quote."  Clicking that opens a new page with the reference in quotes.

On a phone, I dont use a tablet. Didn't know there was any difference.

Has anyone BEEN blacklisted?
I'd much prefer to receive advice based on ones own experience.
Cheers

Diggers Rest wrote:

Has anyone BEEN blacklisted?
I'd much prefer to receive advice based on ones own experience.
Cheers

You will get varying replies and amounts to pay, after all, this is Vietnam.

Do a search yourself.

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=841309

SteinNebraska wrote:

Several threads on this very topic on this forum in the last year or two.  The short answer is you will need to pay $3000-$4500 to get off the list.  Nobody has been able to get around the "fee".

Now your going to know that yes, people have been able to get off the black list without paying the fee.  I can't give details, but this is what happened:

Foreign company has operations in VN
Local services company offered to get work permits etc. for foreigner workers
Foreign workers got work permits and visas
1 of the foreign workers was put on the blacklists, immigration wanted $2,500 to remove
of course, VN service company offered to help and pay half
International law firm was contacted to resolve the issue
Found out, the VN service company did not issue work permits or visas with foreign company's VN office, they used a 3rd party company (think corruption of course).
Immigration claims improper work permit and visa, your black listed
Law firm agreed to fix the workpermits and visas for a lot less than the $2,500
IMMIGRATION AGREED TO WAIVE THE $2,5OO PENALTY

People need to be careful who they are dealing with.  A very well known service company issuing work permits and visas with 3rd party companies, even when the proper company has a company in VN.  The only logical conclusion is that there was collusion going on and voila, fees and more fees for those involved.

Granted, I am sure most people are not going to hire an international law firm to get their work permits or visas, but you need to verify the application documents to make sure everything is correct before your docs are sent to immigration (i.e., the foreign employees and the company had no idea the VN service company has used 3rd party companies instead of the actual company they worked for, assuming all was correct).

vndreamer wrote:

SteinNebraska wrote:

Several threads on this very topic on this forum in the last year or two.  The short answer is you will need to pay $3000-$4500 to get off the list.  Nobody has been able to get around the "fee".

Now your going to know that yes, people have been able to get off the black list without paying the fee.  I can't give details, but this is what happened:

Foreign company has operations in VN
Local services company offered to get work permits etc. for foreigner workers
Foreign workers got work permits and visas
1 of the foreign workers was put on the blacklists, immigration wanted $2,500 to remove
of course, VN service company offered to help and pay half
International law firm was contacted to resolve the issue
Found out, the VN service company did not issue work permits or visas with foreign company's VN office, they used a 3rd party company (think corruption of course).
Immigration claims improper work permit and visa, your black listed
Law firm agreed to fix the workpermits and visas for a lot less than the $2,500
IMMIGRATION AGREED TO WAIVE THE $2,5OO PENALTY

People need to be careful who they are dealing with.  A very well known service company issuing work permits and visas with 3rd party companies, even when the proper company has a company in VN.  The only logical conclusion is that there was collusion going on and voila, fees and more fees for those involved.

Granted, I am sure most people are not going to hire an international law firm to get their work permits or visas, but you need to verify the application documents to make sure everything is correct before your docs are sent to immigration (i.e., the foreign employees and the company had no idea the VN service company has used 3rd party companies instead of the actual company they worked for, assuming all was correct).

For the average Joe who overstays, it's a completely different situation.

As you said, not everyone can afford an international law firm. It still cost a lot as they paid twice for the same visa.Im sure a white envelope crossed the desk of someone at immigration to smooth things over.

vndreamer wrote:

Foreign company has operations in VN
Local services company offered to get work permits etc. for foreigner workers
Foreign workers got work permits and visas
1 of the foreign workers was put on the blacklists, immigration wanted $2,500 to remove
of course, VN service company offered to help and pay half
International law firm was contacted to resolve the issue
Found out, the VN service company did not issue work permits or visas with foreign company's VN office, they used a 3rd party company (think corruption of course).
Immigration claims improper work permit and visa, your black listed

Perhaps I misunderstand but is what you say that this service company obtained work permits through a 3d party company that the foreign workers did not actually work for?  What reason did they state for not simply obtaining the work permits in the actual employer's name?  This business of using shell companies sounds a lot like what is apparently very commonly done in obtaining business visas referencing companies with whom the applicant has no other relationship.  The fact that shell companies were even considered points to a systemic flaw in the work permit process. 

If anyone should be blacklisted, it should be the service company that obtained the bogus permits in the first place.  In countries resistant to corruption, they would be banned from future immigration related work and if they were lawyers, even facing individual disbarment.

THIGV wrote:

vndreamer wrote:

Foreign company has operations in VN
Local services company offered to get work permits etc. for foreigner workers
Foreign workers got work permits and visas
1 of the foreign workers was put on the blacklists, immigration wanted $2,500 to remove
of course, VN service company offered to help and pay half
International law firm was contacted to resolve the issue
Found out, the VN service company did not issue work permits or visas with foreign company's VN office, they used a 3rd party company (think corruption of course).
Immigration claims improper work permit and visa, your black listed

Perhaps I misunderstand but is what you say that this service company obtained work permits through a 3d party company that the foreign workers did not actually work for?  What reason did they state for not simply obtaining the work permits in the actual employer's name?  This business of using shell companies sounds a lot like what is apparently very commonly done in obtaining business visas referencing companies with whom the applicant has no other relationship.  The fact that shell companies were even considered points to a systemic flaw in the work permit process. 

If anyone should be blacklisted, it should be the service company that obtained the bogus permits in the first place.  In countries resistant to corruption, they would be banned from future immigration related work and if they were lawyers, even facing individual disbarment.

In a normal system, banning the issuer would make sense, but not here.

A few years ago an agent in D1 got caught issuing fake visas, the receiver of the visa was fined at the airport. The visa agent continued as if nothing happened.
Same thing happened in Nha Trang.

Immigration has a system where they advise people that you MUST use an agent. The reason for that is quite obvious.

colinoscapee wrote:

For the average Joe who overstays, it's a completely different situation.

As you said, not everyone can afford an international law firm. It still cost a lot as they paid twice for the same visa.Im sure a white envelope crossed the desk of someone at immigration to smooth things over.

My educated guess as well, but nobody asked.  However, the fee to the law firm to fix the visa problem was a lot less than $2,500 penalty, more than half less.

THIGV wrote:

Perhaps I misunderstand but is what you say that this service company obtained work permits through a 3d party company that the foreign workers did not actually work for?

You did not misunderstand, that is exactly what happened.  The question, as you suggested, why would they do that?   My educated guess is that they have friends at immigration so if somebody gets blacklisted = more money for all parties, except the visa holder going on the blacklist.

Hi everyone,

this seems to be the most recent version about blacklisting.

I overstayed my tourist visa for 2 months and was blacklisted.

Information from immigration is i overstayed and apparently had incorrect visa. But my tourist visa was the correct one, as i was not working for a VN company.

I am looking for a lawyer or agency to get removed. I have one offer from lawyer with 5000$ and one from agency for 4400$.

Anyone something contacts for a 3000$ - 4000$ range?

Hellant wrote:

Hi everyone,

this seems to be the most recent version about blacklisting.

I overstayed my tourist visa for 2 months and was blacklisted.

Information from immigration is i overstayed and apparently had incorrect visa. But my tourist visa was the correct one, as i was not working for a VN company.

I am looking for a lawyer or agency to get removed. I have one offer from lawyer with 5000$ and one from agency for 4400$.

Anyone something contacts for a 3000$ - 4000$ range?

If you can pay 3000$ to 4000$ then why you overstay in VN?  Frankly, That sounds a bit funny for me

Agreed, I have see many cases in 2k range.  Maybe they think you are working in VN and need to come back so they up the price?

Hellant wrote:

Hi everyone,

this seems to be the most recent version about blacklisting.

I overstayed my tourist visa for 2 months and was blacklisted.

Information from immigration is i overstayed and apparently had incorrect visa. But my tourist visa was the correct one, as i was not working for a VN company.

I am looking for a lawyer or agency to get removed. I have one offer from lawyer with 5000$ and one from agency for 4400$.

Anyone something contacts for a 3000$ - 4000$ range?

Send me $4000.00 USD.

I'll get someone to do it for you.

Probably...

Ha ha,

well my passport was under the 6 months valid period and i had to wait for new one over german embassy in Hanoi, that caused me to overstay.

I am writing lawyers and agencies i can find over the internet but all reply they cant help, just do normal tourist visa requests.

If you know someone with a 2k range, I would love the details.

For now immigration set me on blacklist for 3 years

Hellant wrote:

Ha ha,

well my passport was under the 6 months valid period and i had to wait for new one over german embassy in Hanoi, that caused me to overstay.

I am writing lawyers and agencies i can find over the internet but all reply they cant help, just do normal tourist visa requests.

If you know someone with a 2k range, I would love the details.

For now immigration set me on blacklist for 3 years

I am not sure you are telling true. If your PP under the six months valid then if you apply new PP via your Embassy the Embassy doesn't put you in this situation. I think Embassy staffs knew well about the diplomatic rules and regulation much more than you or me. As I see you from the German embassy in Vietnam more active than other Asian Embassies. I also applied new PP when I was in Japan, and it took less than 30 days from My country to get new PP.

Hey,

the german embassy doesn't care about the people. Their response was, I should have planned that sooner. The reputation of the german embassy is known to be very very bad. Just to request a new one was painful enough as I had to get papers send from germany to me and then bring to embassy. When I asked why german government office cant just send the letters directly to embassy or email as its all government, they replied that they are not post office. Believe me, the last thing i wish someone is to need to go to the german embassy in Hanoi.

Hellant wrote:

Hey,

the german embassy doesn't care about the people. Their response was, I should have planned that sooner. The reputation of the german embassy is known to be very very bad. Just to request a new one was painful enough as I had to get papers send from germany to me and then bring to embassy. When I asked why german government office cant just send the letters directly to embassy or email as its all government, they replied that they are not post office. Believe me, the last thing i wish someone is to need to go to the german embassy in Hanoi.

Sorry to hear that.  Send 4000$ to OceanBeach and he could you......