Permanent Residence Card - Suppressed political beliefs.

Andres1917 wrote:

I. Who Qualify: Article 13, item 1 states that a temporary resident in Vietnam falling within one of the following categories shall be considered for permanent residency:
1. A person who fights for the freedom and independence of the Vietnamese race, for socialism, for democracy and peace and for science but who is suppressed

How hard is it to get a permanent residence card this way? I am a communist and I've posted things online for years that prove my political ideology. I have been kicked out of college for my beliefs, as well as been harassed and physically attacked for them. I live in America so I cannot enter Vietnam without a Visa, and I believe I need to apply in person? Does anyone have experience with getting PRC this way? Do I need a temporary residence card first, even though this situation is not one where I would logically be working in Vietnam or married? If I do this on a tourist Visa, would that count against me for this? I can't afford to mess this up.

They ask for your CV when applying for PRC this way. Will they help you in finding a job and making a living in Vietnam?

You almost certainly need to come to Vietnam first on either a tourist visa or business visa.

Let's not bog down this thread with info about how to do that, since you can easily search the forum for "visa" and get a LOT of info.

Just to say, since you are an American citizen it will be very easy to get a visa online with the San Francisco Vietnam Embassy:

vietnamconsulate-sf. org/en/2019/05/09/apply-online-receive-loose-leaf-visa-delivered-by-fedex/

IF you end up applying while outside the United States, a better option is to apply through a trustworthy Visa On Arrival (VOA) agency.

I would recommend flying into Hanoi and begin your process of networking with communist party members there.

No one will throw you a parade on arrival unless you are some sort of well-known public figure.

Employment will be a challenge while you are establishing your intent to reside here, however, if you are like a lot of 1960's young communists in America, you likely have parents with deep pockets who will support you as you flee the oppression you feel in the USA.

Also, unless you are ethnically Vietnamese, be prepared for a lifetime here of holding the very lowest level of status within the communist party.

Get ready for your idealism to be asphyxiated by reality.

Just because you believe in the same ideology, it doesn't equate to getting a PRC. Getting a PRC is not an easy task. From what you have written I doubt you will be getting one any time soon.

You have made so many assumptions about my level of privilege and my circumstances and you failed to answer my original question which was if you have ever encountered anyone obtaining residency this way.

colinoscapee wrote:

Just because you believe in the same ideology, it doesn't equate to getting a PRC. Getting a PRC is not an easy task. From what you have written I doubt you will be getting one any time soon.

Yes, Having the same idology is not going to get anyone permanent residency. Being suppressed is the key word here.

Andres1917 wrote:

You have made so many assumptions about my level of privilege and my circumstances and you failed to answer my original question which was if you have ever encountered anyone obtaining residency this way.

Incorrect.

I said "IF you are".

Also, you should reread your own writing.

Your ORIGINAL question was:

"How hard is it to get a permanent residence card this way?"

So, I helpfully provided you with the very first step to begin the process.

However, the chip on your shoulder caused you to focus only on how you were offended by my reply.

That was my nice way of saying, expect it to be very hard.

Pretty sure where is says "temporary resident", temporary is not an adjective and doesn't include tourists, it is a holder of a Temporary Residence Card, gained in several ways. And "fights" is likely literally with weapons of war.

You are misinformed if you think you need a PRC to live here. I don't know if there is anyone on this forum with a PRC. Anyone here? A TRC that is renewable every 3 years is sufficient and visa free. With that you can buy and register property like vehicles and condominiums, but not all property such as land.

Shocked about those American colleges. News we have heard over here was that they were more progressive these days.

Welcome comrade. All of us expats are party members too. 

So will they allow someone who is persecuted to get a temporary residence card? What can be done? I don't feel comfortable returning to the United States so what options do I have?

I doubt you are comprehending the information given. There are certain ways to obtain a TRC, maybe your best option is to head to the heartland of commies Ha Noi, and find yourself a wife.

Andres1917 wrote:

So will they allow someone who is persecuted to get a temporary residence card? What can be done? I don't feel comfortable returning to the United States so what options do I have?

You can't get a Temporary Resident Card "from a distance".

You need to be here and show you qualify in your application.

At that point, your political refugee status won't be a part of the process.

As Gobot suggested, you need the TRC first, and for good reason:

The government doesn't know you.

You need a track record here to give them reasons to want to have you here, other than your ideology.

You haven't said a word about the skills and talents you bring to the table.

It seems you don't have a college degree so you probably don't have that to offer.

There has to be some reason for them to approve you other than your bad experiences in America.

It's not that type of Communism here.

Maybe you could have gained asylum in the USSR during the Cold War.

Even then, the communist state wanted to know what you could do for them, other than to be a PR puppet to dangle in the face of American Capitalism.

So you start by coming here on a regular tourist or business visa.

If you are outside the United States, you do that through a Visa On Arrival agent (you can send me a private message and I'll give you the contact info for my agent in Hanoi).

Then you get your TRC and contribute somehow to the goals of the party in Vietnam.

THEN you file for the Permanent Resident Card.

Good luck.

Andres1917 wrote:

You have made so many assumptions about my level of privilege

Personally, I would be interested in knowing more about this statement.  My popcorn is popped and ready to eat.

Andres1917 wrote:

A person who fights for the freedom and independence of the Vietnamese race, for socialism, for democracy and peace and for science but who is suppressed

How hard is it to get a permanent residence card this way? I am a communist and I've posted things online for years that prove my political ideology. I have been kicked out of college for my beliefs, as well as been harassed and physically attacked for them.

Will they help you in finding a job and making a living in Vietnam?

Suppressed political belief is not a justifiable excuse in a country where freedom of many kinds are limited.  Do you know how many people have been jailed for decades and removed of their citizenship for singing banned songs?  The songs do not express any political view, mind you, just human emotions on the loss of their old loved ones, old villages, or the "olden days".

Repeating Gobot's question, how did you fight for "the freedom and independence of the Vietnamese race, for socialism, for democracy and peace"?  By posting your opinions on public forums, being harrassed and attacked?  Big deal.  There are thousands of cases in the US of people who were receiving death threats for supporting an unpopular politician or opposing to the fact that their hometowns have become sanctuary havens for illegal immigrants and criminals.  The way the wind blows towards socialism in the States, you probably would be hailed a hero for your ideology soon.

How hard is it to get a PRC for being "suppressed" for your belief?  It's not hard, it's impossible.

Will "they" (at the risk of making a donkey out of you and me, I assume you mean the government) help you find a job?  No.  There are only millions of Vietnamese who have to create their own ways of earning a living because there's no jobs available.  Any college graduate would feel lucky to find a permanent job that starts off at 3 - 5M a month.  That's $130 - $220.  Do a search on the Internet and read a dozen articles on how the youth of this country save money each month on that income. 

My grand nephew has a degree in geological engineering but ended up working as a Grab motorbike driver who makes 5M/month.  Out of that, he pays the rent, food, all his expenses, and split the bills with his gf when they go out.  They've been together for 5 years, but can only get married next month because he finally saved enough money to pay for the wedding and the bride's price in gold.  They'll not have their own apartment, but continue to share a room in a small house with his brother and two other roommates.

That's one of the reasons motels by the hours are doing a great business here.

Think carefully before using the political asylum excuse.

Forgot a very important fact in the last post: A foreigner cannot become a member of Vietnamese Communist Party.  You can marry a Party member who doesn't have access to high security but you cannot become a member yourself.

My information came from the 11th National Congress of the Party on January 19, 2011 in Hanoi, and from the horse's mouth, a 25+ year Party member of excellent standing.

Ciambella wrote:

Forgot a very important fact in the last post: A foreigner cannot become a member of Vietnamese Communist Party.  You can marry a Party member who doesn't have access to high security but you cannot become a member yourself.

My information came from the 11th National Congress of the Party on January 19, 2011 in Hanoi, and from the horse's mouth, a 25+ year Party member of excellent standing.

Foreigners can have an ocean view but can't swim in it? 😉😉😉

Communist or otherwise, I would very strongly recommend forgetting any involvement in local politics if you get to Vietnam.
You're very likely to find things you don't like, and people that don't like your input.

Not wishing to be rude, but I think the OP is delusional and may need therapy.

Malcolmleitrim wrote:

Not wishing to be rude, but I think the OP is delusional and may need therapy.

Oh, you saw the bread crumbs too, did you? 😎

My ASSUMPTION after reading his posts is that, were we to ask about at his college as to why he was expelled, it wouldn't have anything to do with his political affiliation.

More likely an inability to cope with the institutional learning environment.

But that IS just an assumption...

😎

Malcolmleitrim wrote:

Not wishing to be rude, but I think the OP is delusional and may need therapy.

I looked it up and I'm not crazy. If I was forever believing that someone was going to persecute me without anything happening, then I would have what is called a Persecutory disorder. I base my belief off of what has already happened where members of the school staff called me to the office and made extremely inappropriate comments about my political ideology, religious beliefs, and culture. I get investigated like a terrorist but I'm just delusional about mistreatment since we all know the American public school system is so infallible!

Andres1917 wrote:

Malcolmleitrim wrote:

Not wishing to be rude, but I think the OP is delusional and may need therapy.

I looked it up and I'm not crazy. If I was forever believing that someone was going to persecute me without anything happening, then I would have what is called a Persecutory disorder. I base my belief off of what has already happened where members of the school staff called me to the office and made extremely inappropriate comments about my political ideology, religious beliefs, and culture. I get investigated like a terrorist but I'm just delusional about mistreatment since we all know the American public school system is so infallible!

Your account of your problems simply doesn't ring true.

Especially in America these days, no one gets called in to see the Dean because of what they believe.

However, people often get called in to discuss their BEHAVIOR.

But you don't mention your behavior.

You only speak in generic and vague terms about your beliefs.

It's not necessarily a bad thing that you can't function within the American education system, but the government here is going to want to know the truth.

I mean, if you try to justify your application by making reference to being kicked out of school, then the government here will ask tougher questions than any I've asked.

Did you burn something down or get into a physical altercation with someone?

Andres1917 wrote:

Malcolmleitrim wrote:

Not wishing to be rude, but I think the OP is delusional and may need therapy.

I looked it up and I'm not crazy. If I was forever believing that someone was going to persecute me without anything happening, then I would have what is called a Persecutory disorder. I base my belief off of what has already happened where members of the school staff called me to the office and made extremely inappropriate comments about my political ideology, religious beliefs, and culture. I get investigated like a terrorist but I'm just delusional about mistreatment since we all know the American public school system is so infallible!

I think the quote you posted is more about you thinking you can get a PR card based on your beliefs.

I still only want to know about his "level of privilege".

If long term expats in Vietnam could get a PRC simply by stating allegiance to Communism, there would suspiciously be a bunch of sudden converts.      As I posted a few years ago, the opportunity to man an anti-aircraft gun in Hanoi is no longer available.   If you want a PRC these days, you will need to coach the Vietnamese national football team to victory in the World Cup.     That should do it.

Andres1917 wrote:

Malcolmleitrim wrote:

Not wishing to be rude, but I think the OP is delusional and may need therapy.

I base my belief off of what has already happened where members of the school staff called me to the office and made extremely inappropriate comments about my political ideology, religious beliefs, and culture.

Please tell us the name and location of the school.

Loving it.

Some people just live in fairy land.

Looks like the OP has stopped trolling.

Andre. With respect, you can forget a PRC, it isn't going to happen and expressing Communist views in Vietnam will not make you any friends either, you certainly will not be able to participate in Communist party affairs . America is far more tolerant in general than the authorities here so if you have problems there then you will certainly get more here. Vietnam, whilst it is a good place to live, is not Avalon. May I suggest that if you want a life free of persecution than you try keeping your views and religious beliefs quiet. If however, you prefer an activist role then you will have to expect the inevitable consequences wherever you choose to live.

TRC are normally valid between 1 and 3 years depending on the province of residence, even that the law says it is valid 3 years.

colinoscapee wrote:

Looks like the OP has stopped trolling.

Could it be that he was another reincarnation of our friend Mr. Jeff Jones?

youngman242 wrote:

TRC are normally valid between 1 and 3 years depending on the province of residence, even that the law says it is valid 3 years.

He was after a PRC, not a TRC.