RG OR RNE after naturalization?

Congratulations!

I did this just in January.

If you can, print out a couple of copies of the Portaria from the Díario Oficial that documented your naturalization.  The various agencies will appreciate it, and will probably keep the copies.  They will absolutely need the number and date of the Portaria.

Your first stop is at the Identification Bureau of your local Civil Police to get your RG.  If you're in the city of  São Paulo, you should be able to do this at the Instituto de Identificação Ricardo Gumbleton Daunt at Avenida Cásper Líbero 370 , Centro.  You can call them at (11) 3311-3202 to ask if there's a location closer to your home.  If you're in one of the surrounding cities, contact the Civil Police.  The RG will probably take a week or two to be issued,  and you'll need to go back for it.

When you have your RG, you'll go to the Justiça Eleitoral to obtain your voter card, your Título de Eleitor.  You'll need this to get a passport, or in almost any other dealings with the Federal Government.  If you're of military age, Justiça Eleitoral will require a Comprovante de Quitação Militar, to prove that you've satisfied your military service requirement.  If they need it, they'll tell you where to go to get it; if they don't ask for it, you don't need it.  They'll also tell you where your polling place is; this is important information to remember, because voting is legally required in Brazil up to age 70.

Once you have those two documents, you're set.  You'll probably want to go to banks and other institutions that identify you by your RNE and change it to your RG, but you can do that at your leisure.

Congrat
Just stay in touch with adthree and you will not go wrong

I´m still undecided on naturalization. People have been saying that the US embassy won´t help you if you encounter problems in Brazil since you are also a Brazilian citizen.

robal wrote:

I´m still undecided on naturalization. People have been saying that the US embassy won´t help you if you encounter problems in Brazil since you are also a Brazilian citizen.

My understanding is that this is generally the case in a dual nationality situation, and is a legitimate concern.  Brazil makes so few demands on permanent resident foreigners that, unless for strong personal reasons, there's not much urgency for a citizen of a country with a strong passport to be naturalized here.

Hello my brother,
Hope you find my message in a good time, I have applied for my processo de naturalização on 7 November 2019 and the result was out indeferido on 15 Jan 2020 but they told me that I have rights to ( recurso). In this case I sent my documents for the second time via Acceso exterior on 25 of January 2020 but unfortunately till now I have'nt received any response from there side. 
My question regarding to delay in processing of recursal of my Naturalização ,is it because of Covid-19 pandemic?

Once I made email to them before covid-19  regarding to delay  of processing,  they told me your process in ( recursal).

Thanks in advance.
Stay home- Stay Safe

Your application was rejected for reasons that was explained to you for sure. And your appeal included those corrections? If yes, the naturalization process takes about a year
and COVID-19 for sure adds more backlog to the process.

robal

I am an Irish citizen and have lived in Brazil for 45 years. Some years ago, I made enquiries about naturalisation. As I had married and had children here, I was entitled to the express process, which only required presentation of 13 documents!

As I don't intend in the future to spend more than two years outside Brazil, I decided to forgo naturalisation. I am somewhat alergic to burrocracy and it would only bring me more headaches and the obligation to vote for one of the fine people who stand for public office. No thank you! And now my RNE is permanent and I no longer have to renew it.

Since naturalization is the topic, let me cite some pros and cons of being naturalized. Brazil recognizes dual citizenship without renouncing your current one.

Pros:

1. Naturalization entitles you to a Brazilian passport where you can travel to 146 countries and territories without visa including the Schengen area, Europe.

2. Being a naturalized Brazilian citizen makes you eligible to work civil service (concursados) with higher salaries than the public sector with attractive benefits.

3. Naturalized citizens have also access to govt social programs aside from the benefit of not renewing continuously your visa as a permanent resident (for people less than 60 yrs of age).

4. Migration to member countries of Mercosul like Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay etc is suddenly facilitated after being naturalized.

Cons:

1. If you´re less than 70 yrs of age, voting is now mandatory. If you´re traveling in or outside Brazil, you have to justify why you´re not able to vote. If in Brazil appropriate agencies should be sought to file the form and if overseas, a consulate or embassy.

2. If you´re less than 45 yrs of age, military service is now also mandatory. Women are not required during peacetime.

3. Since you´re now also a Brazilian citizen, your own consulate or embassy might not be willing to help out or represent you in terms of legal troubles especially if you committed a crime of some sort. And have you ever thought of your own consulate turning a blind eye of your possible prisoner swap due to the crowded prison cells, poor prisoner food and high murder rate?

robal

Addendum to the pros above:

1. If an American or British citizen or any country allied to these citizens travel to any country in the Middle East, they should use the Brazilian passport for obvious safety reasons!

2. You can now buy larger parcels of land and can even help out with cheaper prices
(not Gringo price) with your Brazilian RG and a more transparent deal, evading scams...

3. Being naturalized can help you with their citizen´s or courts´ bias.

4. You are now more peaceful as Brazilians won´t be parading you around anymore - saying to everyone you are his American friend.

5. You cease to be attractive for obtaining personal loans!

And for another con:

1. You lose appeal to the opposite sex - being a local with the RG ... Estrangeiro com aparência de muito de dinheiro é muito melhor!

robal

Hello abthree

I need to draw on your wisdom here.

Next week, I have scheduled an appointment for my first RG after naturalization. One of the documents mentioned as requirement for 'Brasileiros Naturalizados' is the Certificado de Naturalização.' On another occasion, I have read that this is not required anymore but at the same time I have read that this must be solicited within 12 months after publication otherwise the naturalization would be annulled. What is correct? And if needed, could you walk me through the process on how to obtain it?

Secondly, required is a Certidão de nascimento, or casamento, respectively, mine is foreign in other languages, among them English, do they require a translation?

Lastly, it is my understanding that only with the RG I am able to obtain the Título de Eleitor, which is also necessary to get a passport. Is this correct?

Your advice is highly appreciated. Thank you.

Congratulations!  Naturalization ln Brazil is not an easy process.   Good job getting through it!

Unfortunately, the Cerificado de Naturalização no longer exists (if it did, I'd have mine framed on my wall!).  You'll need the Portaria.

To find it, do a search on your CRNM number in the Diário Oficial da União.   Even if you know the date of the Portaria, search that whole month, because the publication date is probably different.   You can perform the search here:

https://in.gov.br/consulta

The Portaria will list everyone granted citizenship the same day you were.  Recipients are listed in no particular order that I could figure out, so look hard.  Print out several copies of the Portaria;  you'll need them.

Get your RG first.  You should only need the Portaria and your CRNM.  Birth certificates are only required to provide the names of the parents, and the originating document for citizenship.  Your parentage appears on your CRNM (or CIE, if it was issued before 2017), and the Portaria will be referenced as the "Originating Document" on your RG.  I don't recall whether proof of residence is required;  have it with you, just in case.

When you have your RG, you can go to Justiça Eleitoral to request your Título de Eleitor.  For this, you'll need :

- RG
- CPF
- Portaria
- Proof of Residence
- Proof of having satisfied your military obligation,  if you're younger than the cutoff age, which I believe is 40 or 45.  If this is required,  the clerk will tell you, and tell you where to go (generally an Army office) to obtain it.

Once you have your Título de Eleitor,  JE has an app that you can download to your phone,  with an electronic version that will be accepted at your polling place and keep your voting record current.

With those documents in hand, you can apply for your passport. Good luck!

Thanks for the information! I have the DOU excerpt. You also mention voting, this is another topic I need to learn about. What kind of elections am I required to vote in, and where do I find notices about the respective dates? In case I'm abroad, can I vote at a consulate?

Voting is compulsory in all elections in Brazil for citizens between 18 and 70 years of age; it's optional for citizens between 16 and 18, and over 70. Ordinarily, elections occur every two years, and are highly publicized.   JE will use your proof of residence to assign you to a polling place.   You can confirm your current polling place online.  If it's been changed and you have the app, it should update automatically.

You can vote in presidential elections at consulates abroad.  Aside from that, there's no absentee or early voting in Brazil.  If you're away from your assigned polling place for an election and you're in the required age group, you need to be excused after the fact by JE.  This is not difficult with proof that you were away, but it does involve a trip to JE.  In principle, voters are supposed to go to JE if they move, and change their polling place to their new address.  In fact, I have several native-born friends who have been registered in their parents' towns since they were 16 or 18, have moved away because of their careers, and just get excuses for every election.

If you miss an election, you do want to be excused.  Unexcused failures to vote can result in fines, but more importantly, in being denied a range of government services, like getting a driver's license, or renewing your passport.

abthree wrote:

Congratulations!  Naturalization ln Brazil is not an easy process.   Good job getting through it!

Unfortunately, the Cerificado de Naturalização no longer exists (if it did, I'd have mine framed on my wall!).  You'll need the Portaria.

To find it, do a search on your CRNM number in the Diário Oficial da União.   Even if you know the date of the Portaria, search that whole month, because the publication date is probably different.   You can perform the search here:

https://in.gov.br/consulta

The Portaria will list everyone granted citizenship the same day you were.  Recipients are listed in no particular order that I could figure out, so look hard.  Print out several copies of the Portaria;  you'll need them.

Get your RG first.  You should only need the Portaria and your CRNM.  Birth certificates are only required to provide the names of the parents, and the originating document for citizenship.  Your parentage appears on your CRNM (or CIE, if it was issued before 2017), and the Portaria will be referenced as the "Originating Document" on your RG.  I don't recall whether proof of residence is required;  have it with you, just in case.

When you have your RG, you can go to Justiça Eleitoral to request your Título de Eleitor.  For this, you'll need :

- RG
- CPF
- Portaria
- Proof of Residence
- Proof of having satisfied your military obligation,  if you're younger than the cutoff age, which I believe is 40 or 45.  If this is required,  the clerk will tell you, and tell you where to go (generally an Army office) to obtain it.

Once you have your Título de Eleitor,  JE has an app that you can download to your phone,  with an electronic version that will be accepted at your polling place and keep your voting record current.

With those documents in hand, you can apply for your passport. Good luck!

Out of curiosity, what if your name is published in DOU while you are abroad, can you go to an embassy and make your passport with just the Portaria and CRNM? without the eleitor and miltiary exemption documents

stevewaugh786 wrote:

Out of curiosity, what if your name is published in DOU while you are abroad, can you go to an embassy and make your passport with just the Portaria and CRNM? without the eleitor and miltiary exemption documents

I've never heard of anyone trying that, but I'd be amazed if a person who did try had any success.

For the application for the RG I was asked to provide the Portaria, and original birth certificate, which notably was not apostilled nor translated. For the TE, having a foreign proof or residence, is it correct that with it I have 'Zona eleitoral ZZ' as domicílio eleitoral which would automatically excuse me from local elections?

abthree wrote:

Unfortunately, the Cerificado de Naturalização no longer exists (if it did, I'd have mine framed on my wall!).  You'll need the Portaria.

You can formally request the issuance of a Cerificado de Naturalização from the MJ. However, they ask you to provide a reason why you need it. What do you suggest as a valid reason?

germanbrickhouse wrote:

For the application for the RG I was asked to provide the Portaria, and original birth certificate, which notably was not apostilled nor translated. For the TE, having a foreign proof or residence, is it correct that with it I have 'Zona eleitoral ZZ' as domicílio eleitoral which would automatically excuse me from local elections?

Sorry to hear that you needed a birth certificate.   I didn't, but the RG is issued locally, and every place is a little different.  Glad it worked out for you.

I'm not sure how Justiça Eleitoral will react,  if you tell them that your permanent residence is overseas.  If you go that route, please update us.

Anyone make Celpe Bras Test recently please tell me.

Janaan1

The test hasn't changed since the last time you asked about it. 

However, the 2020 test (it was only offered once rather than twice last year, because of the pandemic) has now been added to the online collection that the Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul maintains.  You can review it and use it for practice here:

http://www.ufrgs.br/acervocelpebras/acervo/2020

I want to know the details of Ceple Bras Test. It's free or I need to pay for it. Any documents I need for this Test or not. After this Celpe Bras Certificate only I can apply for Naturalization with other documents.

Janaan1 wrote:

I want to know the details of Ceple Bras Test. It's free or I need to pay for it. Any documents I need for this Test or not. After this Celpe Bras Certificate only I can apply for Naturalization with other documents.

The Edital for the 2021 version of the test has not been issued yet so it has not been scheduled, at least publicly.  All the requirements and other information for the most recent test appears here, and will be pretty much the same when the 2021 test is scheduled:

https://www.gov.br/inep/pt-br/areas-de- … celpe-bras

It most definitely is not free.  Registration is performed entirely online.  In 2020, it cost R$230 to register to take it in Brazil, US$115 to take it abroad.  Those charges must be paid within three days of the close of registration at the latest, or the registration is canceled.  The charges will probably be somewhat higher this year.

The website above should be updated when INEP schedules the 2021 test, so check it frequently.

abthree wrote:

I'm not sure how Justiça Eleitoral will react,  if you tell them that your permanent residence is overseas.  If you go that route, please update us.

When I checked my electoral status there came up a fine, so it was irregular and I couldn't apply for a passport. I asked to be exempted from that fine and submitted my foreign residence to the TRE-DF. The case took about a month to be analysed in Brasilia and was accepted. I have now zona eleitoral ZZ and can vote at the consulate.

That's great to know, thanks.  Glad it worked out for you.

GuestPoster204 wrote:

Since naturalization is the topic, let me cite some pros and cons of being naturalized. Brazil recognizes dual citizenship without renouncing your current one.

Pros:


2. If you´re less than 45 yrs of age, military service is now also mandatory. Women are not required during peacetime.



robal

Newbie here. I'm 43 right now. Was thinking to apply for citizenship. But didn't want to spend time serving in army afterwards. Is the military service really mandatory?

06/07/21

FH7

At 43, you should have nothing to worry about; they mostly take 18 and 19 year olds, and not even all of them.  If you're a male younger than 45 you'll probably be required to obtain a formal exemption from the nearest military facility to be issued your voting ID, your Título de Eleitor; the Justiça Eleitoral office will tell you whether you need it, and where to get it.

@abthree Hello there. Replying a bit late here. 2 years later as a matter of fact. ;-) Lot changed since then. Applied for naturalização extraordinaria a year ago. My name got published in DOU yesterday.

I've been outside of Brazil for last couple of months now. My father had a stroke. Needed to go back to my home country to take care care of him.

Had couple of questions: when do I need to get back to Brazil to start getting RG, passport, etc? Is there a due date after getting approved for citizenship? Will there be a ceremony or something like that? Or just get the RG, passport and that is it?

Do I need to bring a translated and notarized copy of my original birth certificate? Or no need for that? Have been residing in Brazil for 17 years.

I believe I can get RG in Poupatempo in São Jose dos Campos where I reside. Or it has to be somewhere else?

Got this from Brazilian gov site:

Documentos exigidos para 1ª via maiores de 18 anos naturalizados Brasileiros

01.Certificado de Naturalização - Original OU cópia autenticada acompanhada de cópia simples que ficará retida

Pode ser substituído por:

a) Reprodução da Portaria de Concessão de Naturalização publicada no Diário Oficial da União.

b) Certidão de Casamento, averbada no Certificado de Naturalização, ou Certidão expedida pelo Departamento de Estrangeiros do Ministério da Justiça informando a nova situação do (a) cidadão (ã).

Observações: Emitido antes de 21 de novembro de 2017.

02. Registro Nacional de Estrangeiro (RNE)  - Original OU cópia autenticada acompanhada de cópia simples que ficará retida SOMENTE caso a Polícia Federal não tenha recolhido.

Here doesn't say anything about providing birth certificate but says something about naturalization certificate. I only received copy of DOU publication in my account on related gov site.

Any advice or information would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I'm 45 now so there is also a question of military service. ;-)

@abthree Hello there. Replying a bit late here. 2 years later as a matter of fact. ;-) Lot changed since then. Applied for naturalização extraordinaria a year ago. My name got published in DOU yesterday.

I've been outside of Brazil for last couple of months now. My father had a stroke. Needed to go back to my home country to take care care of him.

Had couple of questions: when do I need to get back to Brazil to start getting RG, passport, etc? Is there a due date after getting approved for citizenship? Will there be a ceremony or something like that? Or just get the RG, passport and that is it?

Do I need to bring a translated and notarized copy of my original birth certificate? Or no need for that? Have been residing in Brazil for 17 years.

I believe I can get RG in Poupatempo in São Jose dos Campos where I reside. Or it has to be somewhere else?

P.S. I'm 45 now so there is also a question of military service. ;-)

-@FH7

Congratulations!

No, there's no ceremony. As I've noted elsewhere, Brazil doesn't mind when foreigners become naturalized, but it doesn't make a big deal of it either, as some countries do. Getting your documents is very much a DIY process.  I'm not aware of any due date, but it makes sense to get the essentials done ASAP.

Here's some good news: there are Naturalization Certificates again! One of Bolsonaro's stupider (but hardly his worst) "reforms" was to do away with Naturalization Certificates in the name of "reducing bureaucracy". All it did was make things a little harder for naturalized citizens. Once he was off the scene, they were restored. You can get your certificate online here:

https://www.gov.br/pt-br/servicos/obter … uralizacao

You could probably apply for your passport already at a Brazilian Consulate, with your CRNM/CIE, your Certidão de Naturalização, and the copy of the Portaria from the DOU. I don't think that they require a RG, but I'm not sure. It's probably worth a try.

Yes, you obtain your RG from the municipal authorities, so I imagine that's something that Poupatempo can help with. I believe that you need to get your Título de Eleitor from the Electoral Court yourself, but you can ask Poupatempo whether they can help with that, too.

@abthree Hello there. Replying a bit late here. 2 years later as a matter of fact. ;-) Lot changed since then. Applied for naturalização extraordinaria a year ago. My name got published in DOU yesterday.
I've been outside of Brazil for last couple of months now. My father had a stroke. Needed to go back to my home country to take care care of him.
Had couple of questions: when do I need to get back to Brazil to start getting RG, passport, etc? Is there a due date after getting approved for citizenship? Will there be a ceremony or something like that? Or just get the RG, passport and that is it?
Do I need to bring a translated and notarized copy of my original birth certificate? Or no need for that? Have been residing in Brazil for 17 years.
I believe I can get RG in Poupatempo in São Jose dos Campos where I reside. Or it has to be somewhere else?
P.S. I'm 45 now so there is also a question of military service. ;-)
-@FH7

Congratulations!

No, there's no ceremony. As I've noted elsewhere, Brazil doesn't mind when foreigners become naturalized, but it doesn't make a big deal of it either, as some countries do. Getting your documents is very much a DIY process. I'm not aware of any due date, but it makes sense to get the essentials done ASAP.

Here's some good news: there are Naturalization Certificates again! One of Bolsonaro's stupider (but hardly his worst) "reforms" was to do away with Naturalization Certificates in the name of "reducing bureaucracy". All it did was make things a little harder for naturalized citizens. Once he was off the scene, they were restored. You can get your certificate online here:

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You could probably apply for your passport already at a Brazilian Consulate, with your CRNM/CIE, your Certidão de Naturalização, and the copy of the Portaria from the DOU. I don't think that they require a RG, but I'm not sure. It's probably worth a try.

Yes, you obtain your RG from the municipal authorities, so I imagine that's something that Poupatempo can help with. I believe that you need to get your Título de Eleitor from the Electoral Court yourself, but you can ask Poupatempo whether they can help with that, too.
-@abthree

And as always you save the day. Thank you! ;-)

Yes i thought to try this at local Brazilian consulate, but I think it's better to go to Brazil for the period of time to get all the documents in order. Doubt they'd give me RG at the consulate.

As I understood Titulo de Eleitor can be given only after some kind of confirmation from military, correct? I'm 45 at the moment.

-@abthree And as always you save the day. Thank you! ;-)
Yes i thought to try this at local Brazilian consulate, but I think it's better to go to Brazil for the period of time to get all the documents in order. Doubt they'd give me RG at the consulate.
As I understood Titulo de Eleitor can be given only after some kind of confirmation from military, correct? I'm 45 at the moment.
-@FH7

The Consulate won't give you a RG, but they may give you a passport, so you can return with a Brazilian passport.

Since you're already 45, the Electoral Court almost certainly won't require anything from the Army to give you your Título.  But if for some reason they do, the Army will certainly give it to you. 

@abthree all right. Thanks for all the help. Have a great weekend.

Hello again. ;-)

Some more questions: I do have a valid RNE with me. Is it still valid after publication in DOU? Can I fly with it back to Brazil?

And I still can't find any information on whether there is a due date for me to start getting RG, titulo de eleitor, etc.

Will try calling PF tomorrow, but if anyone here has any information please let me know. I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

07/31/23 @FH7.  If your CRNM (CIE/"RNE", if it's that old) is still valid (hasn't expired), there's nothing to keep you from using it to return to Brazil.

Once granted, citizenship doesn't expire.  If you wait too long to exercise it you may get some questions, but it can't be canceled on those grounds.  At the very least, printing out both the Portaria and your Naturalization Certificate ASAP and keeping them in a safe place would be a very good idea, as would keeping electronic copies of both.

Since you're overseas on a family matter, you'll probably get information more relevant to your personal situation by addressing your questions to the Brazilian Embassy there than to the Federal Police back in Brazil.

@FH7 Remember that once have been granted permanent residence (in this case RNE), if you leave Brazil for a period of more than 2 years, you will lose it, and will need to make a fresh application all over again.

@abthree thanks again.

I've registered and applied for Naturalization Certificate via the link you provided on July 28th. Thought I'd receive the certificate same day, but it seems to be transferred from one department to another. I've been checking every day on their site.

I'm planning to travel to Brazil this month or the next, but still will probably pay a visit to the embassy.

08/02/23 @abthree thanks again.
I've registered and applied for Naturalization Certificate via the link you provided on July 28th. Thought I'd receive the certificate same day, but it seems to be transferred from one department to another. I've been checking every day on their site.

I'm planning to travel to Brazil this month or the next, but still will probably pay a visit to the embassy.
-@FH7

As I recall, mine took a couple of days to be issued, then I was able to download it from the site.  A real person probably checks them before they're released, so just keep checking back, as you're doing.

@abthree Thought it would be quick as well. Oh well. Let's see how it goes. Checked it today. No changes since July 31st.

That's how the process page loooks like.

31/07/2023 08:39     DINAT_Certidao     Processo recebido na unidade

31/07/2023 08:37     DINAT_Certidao     Processo remetido pela unidade DINAT_Entrada

31/07/2023 08:37     DINAT_Entrada     Processo recebido na unidade

28/07/2023 15:39     DINAT_Entrada     Processo remetido pela unidade SEAG-CGPMIG

28/07/2023 15:37     SEAG-CGPMIG     Processo recebido na unidade

28/07/2023 14:56     SEAG-CGPMIG     Processo remetido pela unidade SEAG-CGPMIG

August 15th now, still nothing new on their site since 31st of July. Wondering why it takes this long.

Is Certidão de Naturalização really necessary in order to get titulo de eleitor? Read somewhere that it may take up to 3 months to get one from SEI. And I've requested Certidão Positivo de Naturalização. There was a choice between Negativo e Positivo.