Questions on how to write proper cursive Vietnamese

Not based on knowledge of Vietnamese cursive.  but based on my being old enough to have grown up learning cursive writing in grade school, I expect the last five symbols are alternates for A, M, R, Q, V.  The third figure could be N.  I am quite confident of the others.

THIGV wrote:

I expect the last five symbols are alternates for A, M, R, Q, V.  The third figure could be N.  I am quite confident of the others.

Yes, the 3rd one is N.

Satoo wrote:

Why don't they appear anywhere, not even here: https://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/vietnamese.htm ?

They're there.  They're A, M, N, Q, V.  They're on a different line because that's the alternative way to write them.

Satoo wrote:

To my understanding the letters F, J, W and Z are only used in foreign words. So, they are not part of the official cursive alphabet and, as such, they don't even appear in wikipedia's image of the official cursive alphabet. Therefore, and given how important proper handwriting style is, how do Vietnamese people handwrite each of those letters when they encounter words of foreign origin? Do they write each of these letters using the English handwriting style?

They're written the same cursive way as the others.  I don't know how to show to you, except perhaps to write on a piece of paper then take a photo of it.

The Z has been used often enough since the 1930s even though it's not in the original alphabets.  A good number of people whose names start with D spell them with Dz:  Dzung is the most popular.  Two of my siblings' names are spelled with Dz.

Remember, Vietnamese alphabets were created by a group of French and Spanish missionaries with  Alexandre de Rhodes the major contributor (hence his given title The Father of Vietnamese Language).  They're Latin alphabets, therefore, Vietnamese people have always known about the letters F, J, W, and Z.  Every generation since the end of 19th century has been using French terms in their conversations without ever fully understood that those terms were not Vietnamese.

Just last month, a 4 year old taught me the art of gift wrap: "You put the gift in a bag (he used the French word 'sac'), cover it with tissue paper (he used the French word 'pelure'), then tie the handles with ribbons (he used the French word 'ruban').  One simple sentence in Vietnamese and this child who has yet to learn Vietnamese just dropping French left and right!

BTW, the younger generation uses J a lot, in lieu of Gi.  Even though it's not the official or proper way, it's their way, and it's widely recognised by almost everyone under 40.

In re: cursive is very important in Vietnamese, I'm not certain that's still the truth.

My wife uses numerals that are much more stylized than the examples given.  Satoo's numeric examples would all be clear in the West.  I sometimes have to caution her to use "American" numbers when filling out forms like bank slips so that she is not misunderstood.  Her numeral one in particular has a long upstroke before the downstroke such that westerners could confuse it with a seven.  Of course her seven has a cross line but that may not be apparent if there are no sevens in the whole number.  Also, I don't recall exactly how she writes it but I think the loops in her eight can be very narrow.  I don't know if this is typical but the one certainly is.  Her four is ornate but understandable.

Thanks for your throughout reply Ciambella. I spent the last few hours researching this so if you could provide me with a photo of each of the letters in both uppercase and lowercase that would be great (If it isn't too much of an hassle). However, maybe you don't have to. Thanks to what I learned here I found out that the Vietnamese and French cursive are very similar. There's difference in height though. So, do the Vietnamese-style FJWZ look like the French?

Here's a photo:
https://preview.redd.it/81ydf4xoqsc51.j … 2983468940

Thanks

Ps.: Thank you too THIGV!

EDIT: Maybe this one is clearer: https://i.imgur.com/jJPmIxS.jpg

Satoo wrote:

So, do the Vietnamese-style FJWZ look like the French?

Here's a photo:
https://preview.redd.it/81ydf4xoqsc51.j … 2983468940

Thanks

Ps.: Thank you too THIGV!

EDIT: Maybe this one is clearer: https://i.imgur.com/jJPmIxS.jpg

Exactly as shown in both examples.

Thanks!

Really appreciate your help

@Satoo

1. That are alternatives of A, M, N, Q, V

2. We will have to write like English , like me.

I'm a Vietnamese, so I know that.