Expatriation to Malaysia: border updates

Hi Cheryl,
It's a good topic for discussion. I would like to share my views for the same.

I am an expat, was planning a short visit to my home country due to some emergency, but couldn't go due to current pandemic situation.

It is very difficult for new comers to access the country as they need to get prior approval from Immigration, limited flights, quarantine etc.

If you get approval to enter the country, need to have Covid-19 test report carrying from home country & also have to undergo same upon arrival, then quarantine for 14 days all at own cost.

Leaving the torritory as expat for temporary period involves many activities viz. get the approval from immigration that you have to return back, get Covid-19 test report, register home country's embassy so that you may get expensive-limited destinations-special flight to your country, needs to be quarantined upon reaching your country and same while return back.
All above criticalities made me postpone my plan till the pandemic eases out the cross border travel situations. However if someone plans not to return then it is little easier to leave the country.

I believe the borders may open soon as vaccines arrives in near future.

Thanks !
Piyush RANA

Well, Piyush said everything about Malaysia I would have said, except about vaccine.

I will never take a vaccine that has been rushed to the market without the normal testing over time and even then I may decline unless agreed upon with my own personal doctor who I know and trust. In US, the Covid doctors working with the government are saying that a mask is more effective than the vaccine and I worry that the Malaysian govt wont care and cant be bothered to do proper research and will instead force people to take it as a condition of freedom. The vaccine is said to alter a persons DNA. Will the governments care or do they welcome that as a way of modifying people based on a new design? And how much will they keep modifying people based on required annual vaccine boosters?(If you havent lived in a "flu season" country, youd ordinarily take the new vaccine every year).

This leaves me the choice of being locked in the house for the rest of my life or suicide which I am considering. We are not simply in a short-term health situation that will pass and we go back to normal because politicians, not doctors and scientists, are using the virus to institute new and permanent controls over people and create a new life of its choosing and frankly I believe that to be wrong, sinful and dont want any part of it. In Malaysia anyway, the government never educates people and gives them options and choices, it suddenly makes mandatory rules and thats it.

There is the additional problem of freedom of world movement, together with a variety of forced vaccines. Malaysia will have a type, maybe airlines going into other countries require another type, maybe when you get home you have to take another type. After people become the guinea pigs and results dont show the desired effect, there will be revised formulas.

And it doesnt end there. A bigger problem still is the next viruses, the  "Covid-20, Covid-21" so to speak and the world can easily become permanently in virus mode (with new vaccines once a month). This isnt life, this is frankenstein madness. God only knows what will become of a human being after 30 or 40 vaccines. Will you still even know your name?

Ive forgotten the scientist who said many decades ago that eventually the world would be carried off by virus. I always wondered what that meant and how it would occur. With population increases and ease of travel, it became clear how a local problem could instantly spread the world and here we are. Right now, i worry about the home and family I will likely never see again or at the very least under circumstances so adnormal it wouldnt make any difference. My parents are in their 90s and my father is dying of cancer. I wish I could hold him and say goodbye. I wish my wife could meet them once. I wish a lot of things, mostly for others. Virus. MCO. Politics. Too late.

The so called sweeper flights to America/UK are a joke. Usually very expensive and unavailable selection if any at all.  So much for the notify by post laws that require security alerts be sent by mail.  I think I'll wrap myself up and send by courier, Any package I order from China takes 1- or-2-months to receive.  I just got such an alert from Morgan Stanley that was 3-months old.

CVCO...I've followed the US Center for Disease Controls Statements on Viruses and Masks fairly carefully and you have mischaracterized what they have said. They said that UNTIL most of the population have been vaccinated with a highly effective vaccine that a mask may be still needed.

For one thing some vaccines diminish in their effectiveness over time. How long a vaccine will still produce antibodies when a person is exposed to the virus is still not known, and likely won't be for a year after vaccination. So a mask will still protect one from that possibility. Many vaccines require a booster.

Given that many people will resist getting a vaccine unless there are severe penalties imposed to not getting one....a mask will still be necessary because there will still be infective resistors. Even if the vaccine works a refuser will still meet people like them who resist getting the vaccine.  The CDC advice is specific to the United States where resistors are likely to be high. It may not be as high in China, Japan, or Malaysia. Masks, social distancing will become essential where compliance is low. The problem is that those likely to resist getting vaccinated may also be in the category of disbelieving the CDC's recommendations on masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing, hygiene, etc.

Now back to Malaysia...they may very well impose some restrictions on entering Malaysia like having a recent vaccination (that they consider reliable) in lieu of quarantine. Or they may simply say "No entry unless you have a vaccination within the last 4 months" (and extend that as better information comes in regarding the efficacy).

For those tourists wanting to come into Malaysia. Borders are closed and are likely to be until well into 2021. MM2H and other foreigners with work visas, students, diplomats, spouses of Malaysian....now face 2 week quarantine and they must pay about US$2500 for that privilege. Returning Malaysians must now pay about half that amount.

Lots of talk about Green Zones and Bubbles but no government seems to want to sign an agreement with another because the rates in that partner might shoot up. Yet they insist on reciprocity. Even when medically it makes no sense. They'd be better off just saying unilaterally  "we are allowing Taiwanese, Thais, Cambodians, Vietnamese and Australians (except those from Victoria) to enter Malaysia for 90 days if they get a test". Don't worry about reciprocity. If the epidemiologists notice a rising curve and numbers of infections reach a certain level in one of those countries then say - "no more entries as of today".  If they aren't a little more flexible then the tourism industry will die and the economies will face a recession.

Oh, and vaccines do NOT incorporate into the nucleus and thus cannot genetically modify the DNA.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact … SKBN22U2BZ

The DNA in a DNA-vaccine is designed to remain outside the nucleus to stimulate production of small portions of the viral shell protein at the ribosomes which triggers the immune response. . DNA is too large to pass through the cell membrane but can do so during cell replication.

That said some VIRUSES, composed of RNA CAN pass through and incorporate into the DNA sequence. It's not clear that Covid-19 can do this. Its activity is in the cytoplasm using the ribosomes.

In my opinion, better not to leave the country till 31st Aug 2020.

Hi Cheryl,

Malaysia Immigration has rejected myentry requests twice now without stating a reason. Could you help us?

Thanks & regards,
Saravanan