Pledge of support annexe 3bis

You cannot get annexe 3bis if you are not living in Belgium. Annexe 3bis is issued to Belgians and Non Belgians living and working in Belgium. You need to prove the residence, identity and pay slip for this. The best think to to is to ask for it at German equivalent. I am pretty sure there is one but I cannot help with the name in German.

Thanks for the information - that is interesting to hear. For context we will not be going to Germany at all, we need the 3bis for my fiancé to come into Belgium just for the marriage ceremony and will leave shortly after and apply for a reunification visa.

I was just looking at some sites that seem to say you can be a guarantor if you have Belgian nationality or unlimited right to stay in Belgium, no references to needing to be resident in Belgium though. Do you have any source where it says that?

Hi,

It's because you're taking the problem the wrong way.

You say you are resident in Germany. So normally you should be removed from the lists of the Belgian municipality where you lived before. You put yourself in order with the German administration. So in this case, you just have to go through the Belgian embassy in Germany. They will provide you with the correct document.

Now that you get married in Belgium or Germany doesn't matter. As a Belgian living abroad, you can get married in any Belgian city. Or get married in Germany and have your marriage registered with the Belgian embassy.

On the other hand, there is a possibility that few people know about. It is marriage by proxy (see Article 47 of the CODIP). It is only allowed in exceptional circumstances. And the current pandemic is one of them. You have to see with the Belgian embassy in Germany and also with that of the country where the other lives.

Thanks for your thoughts - I am indeed a Belgian national, resident in Germany and have that registered at the Belgian embassy in Berlin.

Are you saying the 3bis would happen through the embassy? The document seems to be saying my signature needs to be witnessed by the mayor or their deputy.

I am able to marry in Belgium at my last place of registered residence, place of residence of any direct family member or failing any of those in Brussels. We're trying to avoid marrying in Germany since it is quite bureaucratic and would both need all our paperwork translated.

I'll research that marriage by proxy you just mentioned, that's interesting.

Of course the embassy can take care of that. People learn so little about what an embassy can do for its nationals that it is sometimes surprising ...

In any case, good luck with your plans.

The problem is that even you if you are Belgian you do not generate income in Belgium so I am pretty sure they will not give you annexe 3bis without revenue proof. I have done it 3 times to invite over relatives and every time they asked for revenue proof. When I used to be a student municipality turned me down.
The easiest and more logical way would be to obtain the equivalent from German authorities because you are living there.
Have a look at this link:
https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/120691/

Edigj wrote:

The problem is that even you if you are Belgian you do not generate income in Belgium so I am pretty sure they will not give you annexe 3bis without revenue proof. I have done it 3 times to invite over relatives and every time they asked for revenue proof. When I used to be a student municipality turned me down.
The easiest and more logical way would be to obtain the equivalent from German authorities because you are living there.
Have a look at this link:
https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/120691/

Again, educate yourself properly, it is enough to demonstrate sufficient financial means.  I never provided a tax notice.  Just a bank statement.  Always read the articles of law completely.

phipiemar wrote:

Edigj wrote:

The problem is that even you if you are Belgian you do not generate income in Belgium so I am pretty sure they will not give you annexe 3bis without revenue proof. I have done it 3 times to invite over relatives and every time they asked for revenue proof. When I used to be a student municipality turned me down.
The easiest and more logical way would be to obtain the equivalent from German authorities because you are living there.
Have a look at this link:
https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/120691/

Again, educate yourself properly, it is enough to demonstrate sufficient financial means.  I never provided a tax notice.  Just a bank statement.  Always read the articles of law completely.

First of all stop being rude! Ok? Sufficient financial means can be proved in different ways but they have to be based in Belgium and documents have to be issued in Belgium. You cannot prove it with a German bank statement. The OP has clearly stated that he moved in DE and that he has registered with BE embassy in Berlin. Educate yourself as well embassies do not provide annexe 3bis.

You are right. It's just a member on the French-speaking portal who pissed me off with absurd questions and even more absurd answers.

But it's up to you to be logical too. If the person lives in a foreign country, how do you expect him to demonstrate sufficient financial means in his country !!!

What is the meaning of a commitment to support? It is a person who undertakes to take responsibility for the actions of a person on the territory of a country. The guarantor undertakes to cover the costs of stay, health costs, and repatriation costs borne by the Belgian State or by a public social assistance center (CPAS).

And yes, for a person residing in Belgium and working in Belgium, he must in theory provide three payslips and a tax notice. But not the Belgian living abroad ....

Yes I did all the procedures . And u will be answered within 2 month from the date of submitting your documents to belgium to be checked

Thanks everyone - I missed a few replies but wanted to give an update. The embassy in Berlin has informed me they can submit my 3bis, they actually aren't sure if foreign income (my payslips are from previous employment in the US and haven't gotten paid in Germany yet) are accepted but I'm putting in a cover letter explaining my situation and the income.