Any improvement concerning fighting corruiption?

You misunderstand Asian corruption! Vastly different then in the West! Asian corruption is accepted by Asians as part of normal life! In the West corruption starts at the top of any criminal or control chain such as local government! It works it's way down the chain. For example, lets say you had a string of hookers and each made you $1000. In the West all $1000 goes to the top dog! And he gives out what he wants to those down chain! In Asia the $1000 collected at the bottom the source and They take a small cut and it goes like that to the top! What's left at the top belongs to Topdog! No in fighting or in house killings. Everyone is satisfied as he got his cut! And so you can see that corruption in Asian style is spread between all! What's to change? It is the best form of corruption in any chain organization on Earth! Nobody native to here wants to change it!

Remember the very important rule here! DON'T change the PI let it change you and you will be happy! Don't and you will be unhappy forever! It will be years of living here to even understand how Filipino's see life! Not even close to your ideas! But they work fine for those that chose to join the culture! Take a week and go stay in a mountain village deep in the Province and you will now have the understanding of the very basics of Filipino life at it's original sources!

lasvegan wrote:

You misunderstand Asian corruption! Vastly different then in the West! Asian corruption is accepted by Asians as part of normal life! In the West corruption starts at the top of any criminal or control chain such as local government! It works it's way down the chain. For example, lets say you had a string of hookers and each made you $1000. In the West all $1000 goes to the top dog! And he gives out what he wants to those down chain! In Asia the $1000 collected at the bottom the source and They take a small cut and it goes like that to the top! What's left at the top belongs to Topdog! No in fighting or in house killings. Everyone is satisfied as he got his cut! And so you can see that corruption in Asian style is spread between all! What's to change? It is the best form of corruption in any chain organization on Earth! Nobody native to here wants to change it!

Why have Duterte tried to fight cooruption then and fired people because of that...

Big WICTIMS arent happy with it...
(These happened before Duterte) E g:
a Filipino started a computer businesses and was so good at it so within the first year he had compeeted out all except 3 of around 10.  Of the 3 left one was owned by one with local power so he made this good business got big problem when he tried to get hiss business permit extended motived by diferent ridicilous "reasons"...   
We lost contact so I dont know if he had to close.

A Filipino exporter got his container blocked by the Phils custom of ridicilous "reasons" and the storage fees raised fast.  I dont know if the custom made it to get high fees paid or to get the goods for free by the owner give up.   I lost contact with him too so I suppouse he gave up.
(That made I more or less skiped a business idea because the start costs of such are so high so it would go break if the custom would block the first export container.)

An Asian got his "import" of his private things blocked by the custom demanded crazy high fees, much more than it was worth and more than he could afford to pay.He lost almost all his things including not replaceable personal MEMORY things   

All the above is part of pure Asian corruption! Someone is always trying to work around chain of profit! The system only works when Topdog keeps order in the system and this is done through financial ruin to the disrupter!

The policemen stopped taking bribes after Duterte came in, haha they would panic if they even saw a bill in your hand.

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Corruption 1957 same as today

Police did not stop taking bribes then! A few like those who worked the SM Mall Fairview area of Quezon City were set up by their coworkers as instructed by there boss per his arm twisted by his boss so on to the top! 2 were killed about 50 feet from where I was standing by a group of Police who drove up and jumped out and bang bang done! This was directly in front of the entrence to The Redwoods condos! Video exists! All because they wouldn't take bribes!

You sure it wasn't because they DID take a bribe?   In my experience they wanted nothing to do with a bribe after that. I actually had a couple of hundred peso notes in my hand one time and the cop waved me off. He had a panicked look in his eyes when he saw the money.

lasvegan wrote:

Remember the very important rule here! DON'T change the PI let it change you and you will be happy! Don't and you will be unhappy forever! It will be years of living here to even understand how Filipino's see life! Not even close to your ideas! But they work fine for those that chose to join the culture! Take a week and go stay in a mountain village deep in the Province and you will now have the understanding of the very basics of Filipino life at it's original sources!

Exactly!!! You are a guest and you can't change the culture.

I saw an interview on Youtube with a retired police officer. He said 90% of them are dishonest, but not him.

He said he only took bribes on occasion not to raise the ire of other officers.

Yep, I got extorted by some of the 90%. The entire police station. I'm lucky I didn't get killed. I'm not talking about a traffic ticket, I'm talking about a dozen cops infiltrating the neighborhood while I had a gun held to my head. Most people don't understand how dangerous it can be here.

(Omo)
So in other words its like having this "write off" mentality....whatever you intend to purchae/invest here
Land/house/car/stuff...the longer you get to exclusively enjoy them the cheaper they get. (However full cash up front).
My only advice would be is NOT to spend excessively on anything here & then enjoy what it can provide while its still yours.

"Any Improvement Concerning Fighting Corruiption - sorry Corruption"

It will always be 'Plus Ca Change' regarding the C word in the Philippines.
Yes the current populist premier of the country has arguably made some progress but I can't help thinking that it's all skin deep : in time a new president will take over and Filipino politics will reset.
I take issue with some of the above remarks in this thread citing the cliche mantra 'its the way things are done in Asia' Yes indeed you cannot compare the country to modern western economies but using other A.S.E.A.N economy comparables the Philippines has without doubt under achieved over the past 40 years. Some subscribers to this forum will be unaware that in the 60's the Philippines was the stand out economy of Asia.
In the absence of some blue sky thinking at the top and root and branch changes to red tape and corruption the average Filipino will continue to subsist on handouts, petit little scams, a bowl of rice a day and overseas remittances.

President, but you are correct, 40/50 years ago everything I saw in Australia was made in  the Philippines,,,,, now? China. Swings and merry go rounds etc.
Corruption, littering and feeble excuses for a perpetuated system? "all" These days it seems and while I tend to blame the education system follow what other members contribute that it is ingrained and until the parents switch the education system will fall on deaf ears. See the same day in and day out and while some try? Most give 2 hoots.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Maybe it was the "Dunning–Kruger Effect"...they were easily one of the most advanced/up & coming ASEAN economies in the 60's.

M4rc0s may have played a large part in this saga. Turning a blind eye on his cr0n1es.
This post get deleted.😂

lasvegan wrote:

All the above is part of pure Asian corruption! Someone is always trying to work around chain of profit! The system only works when Topdog keeps order in the system and this is done through financial ruin to the disrupter!

So perhaps thats why custom and a police boss got fired   

Corruption is a world wide problem, different countries have different styles of corruption. With the poverty here, everybody is looking to make a bit extra cash, whether it be scams, fleecing people with over pricing, faulty taxi meters, finding overseas benefactors, made up charges, etc. For ex-pats, they have to learn the differences and there is no way they will make any difference to the top echelon of graft and corruption here. Just be observant and keep your guard up.
regards all
Bruce

GoDees wrote:

Corruption is a world wide problem, different countries have different styles of corruption. With the poverty here, everybody is looking to make a bit extra cash, whether it be scams, fleecing people with over pricing, faulty taxi meters, finding overseas benefactors, made up charges, etc. For ex-pats, they have to learn the differences and there is no way they will make any difference to the top echelon of graft and corruption here. Just be observant and keep your guard up.
regards all
Bruce

Good points Bruce. Poverty breeds crime and greed breeds corruption.

lasvegan wrote:

Remember the very important rule here! DON'T change the PI let it change you and you will be happy! Take a week and go stay in a mountain village deep in the Province and you will now have the understanding of the very basics of Filipino life at it's original sources!

I've been stuck here in this backwater/3rd class province for more than 2yrs now (hope that counts as filipino life original source)
Though I'm quite happy with my life here as we make do with what we have. The "understanding" part is still beyond me.
 

manwonder wrote:

lasvegan wrote:

Remember the very important rule here! DON'T change the PI let it change you and you will be happy! Take a week and go stay in a mountain village deep in the Province and you will now have the understanding of the very basics of Filipino life at it's original sources!

I've been stuck here in this backwater/3rd class province for more than 2yrs now (hope that counts as filipino life original source)
Though I'm quite happy with my life here as we make do with what we have. The "understanding" part is still beyond me.
 

🤣😂🤣😂 I've been all over the Philippines for 13 years and I still don't understand the Filipino mentality, but I understand why the Philippines is so far behind most of the rest of the World because of it.

40 years ago the Philippines was the pearl, of the orient, with minimum corruption.  Those times are gone.

Glen Adkins wrote:

40 years ago the Philippines was the pearl, of the orient, with minimum corruption.  Those times are gone.

WHAT?!!!!
Marcos was  president 1965–1986 and he was so very much corruptt so even  Swizz bank did send back a half BILLION DOLLARS  to the Philipine governtment!  And that was only the part Marcos had tried to hide THERE...
News article https://apnews.com/article/2efc64335646 … fed16157ea

Correct.  I left FM out of the equation. For awhile, after the FM era, doing business in the Philippines looked very promising when compared to other Asian countries.  Now I see foreigners giving up on doing business in the Philippines.

coach53 wrote:

Glen Adkins wrote:

40 years ago the Philippines was the pearl, of the orient, with minimum corruption.  Those times are gone.

WHAT?!!!!
Marcos was  president 1965–1986 and he was so very much corruptt so even  Swizz bank did send back a half BILLION DOLLARS  to the Philipine governtment!  And that was only the part Marcos had tried to hide THERE...
News article https://apnews.com/article/2efc64335646 … fed16157ea

FM's wealth came from WWII loot. It's debatable if you could consider this as corruption. The Japanese stole it from 13 Asian Countries.

Glen Adkins, I respectfully disagree that the Philippines was the "Pearl of the Orient 40 years ago. I was here from 1983 -1985. I remember how CORRUPT Ferdinand MARCO was. he STOLE BILLIONS of dollars in U.S. Foreign aid. I also remember coming here as a service member and getting shot at for being an American. I was in Angeles when two California Air National Guardsmen were shot execution-style while walking down an alley to go to McDonald's in Dau. No spin, just first-hand personal knowledge.

Glen Adkins wrote:

Correct.  I left FM out of the equation. For awhile, after the FM era, doing business in the Philippines looked very promising when compared to other Asian countries.

Perhaps no one else dared to be corrupt duting FM, FM wanting all corruption for himself  ?   

Glen Adkins wrote:

Now I see foreigners giving up on doing business in the Philippines.

Wel.  I got to know a foreigner just two weeks ago, who have a successful business and even think some of exbanding.
Left to see if I will manage too. Its a big potential in the business type I found - if officials dont screw up to much   

FortuneFavorsTheBold wrote:

coach53 wrote:

Glen Adkins wrote:

40 years ago the Philippines was the pearl, of the orient, with minimum corruption.  Those times are gone.

WHAT?!!!!
Marcos was  president 1965–1986 and he was so very much corruptt so even  Swizz bank did send back a half BILLION DOLLARS  to the Philipine governtment!  And that was only the part Marcos had tried to hide THERE...
News article https://apnews.com/article/2efc64335646 … fed16157ea

FM's wealth came from WWII loot. It's debatable if you could consider this as corruption. The Japanese stole it from 13 Asian Countries.

The part, which got send back, Marcos family claimed was some kind of "commision" for a WORK FM had done...
And if it would be the loot, why didntt Marcos give it back to the countries Japan stole it from...?   

Why didn't Marcos give back the loot? Insane insatiable greed. He showed Don Enrique Zobel (Ayala) $100 billion in gold certificates in Hawaii. Who needs $100 billion in 1986?

So, a foreign business owner can expect to pay bribes? I don't mind paying, I just don't want to over pay.

Nothing has changed, when Duterte was Mayor there was corruption in his own office here in Davao drugs also, still drugs and corruption, I call it convenient, if you want to go to the front of the line pay 1000 I like the system I play (last to)a number lottery it is illigal so the pot on Sunday is less because they pay the police to turn their head

sekmet wrote:

So, a foreign business owner can expect to pay bribes? I don't mind paying, I just don't want to over pay.

Seem to be big differences between different business types and different reigions.

No Foreigners havent told me of any bribes paid, but perhaps they have paid but havent told me. Its ILLEGAL to PAY bribes.

A FILIPINO WITH correct documents told he had to pay 40 000 pesos to get a lorry load of his production through the checkpoints from his location to market in a distant city. (I dont know which of his products nor if/how dangerous high they had loaded     but I guess around worth half mill pesos retail price.)

I havent paid any bribes but perhaps thats why things get done so very slow      But I believe it depend of incompetence because there were big errors done BEFORE we ggot involved. (E  g two lots with same lot number!!! Online registration system didnt function ffor a common business type before I made them ssolve it.  An application I know is ssuppoused tto be handdled in each municipaly, they had no clue what it is and they send it to province capital city for handling...)