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amin58

Dear all.

I have received a new contract from my new employer throw qiwa on 21st december and i have accepted it now it shows waiting for current employer approver my current employer does not have a qiwa account and he can't make a new one as he might have fines or some thing els...i don't have any official contract with him on the system the company is in light green at the moment..what can i do in this matter.

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Arsal7

You can't do anything.
You need his permission.
If he is not giving it then you can't get the transfer.

amin58

Thank you for your swift respond.

tauqirdar53

Dear Arsal,

can you please text me on my no. ***
i have something urgent to discuss.

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Arsal7

tauqirdar53 wrote:

Dear Arsal,

can you please text me on my no. ***
i have something urgent to discuss.


You can ask anything here so, others can get the information too.

tauqirdar53

Dear Arsal,
Can we take transfer without current employer approval after iqama expiry and we accept contract on qiwa after 1 day of iqama expiry.

Arsal7

tauqirdar53 wrote:

Dear Arsal,
Can we take transfer without current employer approval after iqama expiry and we accept contract on qiwa after 1 day of iqama expiry.


After 3 days of iqama expiry.

Mohammed nasir alam

Hello All,


My iqama got expired on 6th December 2021.from company A.
I received a new contract from company B in QIWA on 9th Jan 2022.
Got my iqama transferred on 9th and it was showing company B in Absher.

suddenly on 10th January 2022 my iqama was transferred to an unknown company C without I accepting any contact from company C.


Now my question is how is it possible that company C renew my Iqama without accepting any contract from company C.

Still in QIWA the contact approved is from company B.

hence what shall I do to get back to company B as my iqama is on company C which is not having any contact in KIWA or I have not approved any request from company C anywhere and `I don't know who this company C is.

now my question is :-

1) Is there any glitch in KIWA and Absher.
2) is it my new company B has transferred me to company C without my knowledge.
3) from whom I will be legally getting salary from B or company C as I have active contact in QIWA from company B.
4) How to get back to company B as I don't know who this company C is.

Thank you in advance.

Arsal7

Mohammed nasir alam wrote:

Hello All,


My iqama got expired on 6th December 2021.from company A.
I received a new contract from company B in QIWA on 9th Jan 2022.
Got my iqama transferred on 9th and it was showing company B in Absher.

suddenly on 10th January 2022 my iqama was transferred to an unknown company C without I accepting any contact from company C.


Now my question is how is it possible that company C renew my Iqama without accepting any contract from company C.

Still in QIWA the contact approved is from company B.

hence what shall I do to get back to company B as my iqama is on company C which is not having any contact in KIWA or I have not approved any request from company C anywhere and `I don't know who this company C is.

now my question is :-

1) Is there any glitch in KIWA and Absher.
2) is it my new company B has transferred me to company C without my knowledge.
3) from whom I will be legally getting salary from B or company C as I have active contact in QIWA from company B.
4) How to get back to company B as I don't know who this company C is.

Thank you in advance.


Ask your company B about it.
I think they have transferred you to their other branch/subsidiary.
And Qiwa contract is only for jobs/hiring process.
You should demand a written contract from the company as a hard copy.

Mohammed nasir alam

Many Thank for your support.

is it possible to company A to get the transfer without the knowledge of company B and then transfer me in Absher to company C.

Also in this case I am not legally authorized to take salary from company A,B and C as I don't have any contract with company C except for company B and in QIWA it shows as company B itself as approved status and active.

Now will I be treated as company B employee irrespective of company C as my khafel, note company B doesn't know about company C when asked.


Do I need to go to Passport office riyadh to get my issue resolved or it will be the responsibility of company B or I my legal sponsor is company C.


Company C might be company A sister company as my concern is without any contact with company A and C in QIWA how is it possible to get the transferred done within 1 day of transferred.

Hence you option and suggestion is highly appreciated.

Arsal7

Mohammed nasir alam wrote:

Many Thank for your support.

is it possible to company A to get the transfer without the knowledge of company B and then transfer me in Absher to company C.

Also in this case I am not legally authorized to take salary from company A,B and C as I don't have any contract with company C except for company B and in QIWA it shows as company B itself as approved status and active.

Now will I be treated as company B employee irrespective of company C as my khafel, note company B doesn't know about company C when asked.


Do I need to go to Passport office riyadh to get my issue resolved or it will be the responsibility of company B or I my legal sponsor is company C.


Company C might be company A sister company as my concern is without any contact with company A and C in QIWA how is it possible to get the transferred done within 1 day of transferred.

Hence you option and suggestion is highly appreciated.


Talk to the company whose iqama you have right now.
Or whoever is showing in your absher.
So, talk to company B.
And one company can transfer any employee to the sister company/subsidiary without a new contract.
And as i said qiwa is not a contract at all.
Demand a written contract from the company.

Mohammed nasir alam

I checked with company B and they said it is system glitch and during the process of transfer company A even after the iqama was transfer to company B somehow manage to get my iqama transferred to company C.

So ease this Company A bypass company B even though company B was my new Absher sponsor and got me transfer to company C which when ask to company B said it is system glitch and they will try to figure out to get me to company B again.

Now my question is will ministry will approve the QIWA contract as I have contact accept with company B and no other contract is visible with company C.

hence your valuable opinion mater here and what myself to company B need to do to get me back from company C which is the sister company of A.


Note:- during the last 2 days my iqama got transfer twice from company A to Company B and then Athen to company C without any approval from company B.

Arsal7

Mohammed nasir alam wrote:

I checked with company B and they said it is system glitch and during the process of transfer company A even after the iqama was transfer to company B somehow manage to get my iqama transferred to company C.

So ease this Company A bypass company B even though company B was my new Absher sponsor and got me transfer to company C which when ask to company B said it is system glitch and they will try to figure out to get me to company B again.

Now my question is will ministry will approve the QIWA contract as I have contact accept with company B and no other contract is visible with company C.

hence your valuable opinion mater here and what myself to company B need to do to get me back from company C which is the sister company of A.


Note:- during the last 2 days my iqama got transfer twice from company A to Company B and then Athen to company C without any approval from company B.


May be your company A has some connections in the government to use for their benefits.
Or your B is in Red status.
May be they do not have authority to complete your transfer in the first place.
And i already told you that qiwa contract is nothing.
That's only for reference.
It can be a glitch and it can also be something else.
Talk to both companies clearly.
Ask them everything and then just tell them that you will go to the court for this melodrama and put a case against both of them at the same time.

Mohammed nasir alam

Thank you,

after deeply analysis below we have found.

company B transfer my Sponsorship from A but didn't renew my iqama.
Company C (Separate entity but offline both are same company) (Sister company of Company A ) just in the next day again transfer me to his sponsorship in Absher only without any job contract in QIWA.

Company B next day did the payment from his account to renew the iqama  but as the iQAMA was under company C it got renewed with company B money to the JAWAZAT.

Now Company B is telling me to resolve the issue on my own.

now in my current case:-

1) I don't have any contract from Company C or company A.
2) Company C has transferred me without my knowledge due to system weakness as anyone having iqama expire will be transferred to anyone and due to delay  of company B to renew my iqama as the transfer happen from A to B and next day renew by company B but in the name of Company C due to system glitch of IQAMA expire.


next step I will follow:-

Go to passport office with all the money receipt paid by Company B.
Go with the QIWA request and download the contract copy.
tell JAWAZAT my situation and wait for their feedback,.

My concern here is what they JAWAZAT say to go company C and accept the contract. (Which I don't want).
IS it possible JAWAZAT will say to go to Company A as I don't want to have any relation with them to.


Will it be in the favour of company B or Company C. but for company A they forcefully transfer me to company C without my knowledge and got accepted as my iqama was expire even though the transferred was done one day before.

Will appreciate your feedback here.

Arsal7

Jawazat can't do anything now. The truth is nobody can.
They used they system and tricked everyone.
Only company B can recover their money through court.
You need to go to labour court, if there is any chance for you.
But keep in mind, if you do this, it can take from months to years to solve and that company C can hold your salary or do some other things.
If you are ready to cope with such things, go ahead.

Mohammed nasir alam

Now If I start to work on based on your feedback.

It means that QIWA has no value or even a contract paper regardless of signing or not signing it has no value in KSA as per your feedback.

If I discuss this is a logical way, My sponsor should be Company B right?

Also have you come across any situation like this or else I believe we are just discussing here and putting our own view without any knowledge.

Kindly do not mind this but I am asking so that I can take some legal consultant here rather than discussing without any knowledge.

Thank you for out feedback in this regards as this will help me to take further action plan.

Arsal7

You are here for years and you still don't understand.
This is a kingdom and here, some rules or things are only for books.
Qiwa and all of it's rules are fresh and yes, qiwa contract is nothing.
This new transfer system will take years to be implemented completely.

Listen, there are 3 basic laws for iqama transfer without company's approval.
1: Your iqama is expired.
2: You don't get your salary for 3 months straight.
3: Your company status is red.
Your company A took benefit from the very basic rule and they have done the unthinkable but that's 101 percent legal.
You can't complain about it.
Only the company B can do something about it if they want to.
You want to do something?
Go ahead put a case against them but let me remind you that it can be a waste of money and time.
How can i say this?
Because i know things.

I know it is hard for you and you don't want to believe this but it just doesn't matter because this is the truth.
Still you can go to court if you want to, it will be your money and your time.
I am telling you the truth so that you can save yourself from further problems.

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