Going in July

You are planning to stay long term?
What visum ?

Tariq1983 wrote:

i plan on going to Angeles City. I’ve already discovered quite a few different revenue streams to keep me from having to go into my savings.

Why Angeles?? 
Beside girly bars     there are more opportunities, more bargains and lower living costs elsewhere.

My cousin is in AC. Also because of the US base that was once there The infrastructure is pretty decent so is the Wi-Fi. Me having good Wi-Fi is important because that’s a big part of how I’m going to be earning money. I’m not saying I will stay there forever but for the first few months there that’s going to be my base. The girly bars hold no interest for me lol

This is a long-term trip I’m flying out there and then have no set plans on coming back anytime soon

Stay without visa?

Well I would certainly be interested to find out more about how you plan to earn enough money in the Philippines without touching your retirement funds because I am looking to do the same, just not exactly sure how yet.

I am looking into getting a TEFL certificate so I can teach English either remotely or face to face and have thought about doing this in Vietnam to be nearer to the Philippines so my girlfriend can hop on a short flight to see me and I can do the same. I am not sure if this will work out but living costs in Vietnam are cheap and it would just be until I can afford to retire in the Philippines.

Tariq1983 wrote:

This is a long-term trip I’m flying out there and then have no set plans on coming back anytime soon

The current airfares are out of sight. If you don't mind me asking what is the current coast for you?

Also did you buy the outbound ticket to someplace so you can board your flight?

Tariq1983 wrote:

My cousin is in AC. Also because of the US base that was once there

That made Angeles got the bad reputation   
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Tariq1983 wrote:

The infrastructure is pretty decent so is the Wi-Fi. Me having good Wi-Fi is important because that’s a big part of how I’m going to be earning money.

If you mean at a youtube chanel, some of them I know have earned good at such, live in the "boondogs"  (at Bohol and Leyte).  Just put your videos at upload before you go to lunch/dinner   

One said he earned 40 000 usd the year before covid.  Much harder competition nowadays though.   

Tariq1983 wrote:

I’m not saying I will stay there forever but for the first few months there that’s going to be my base. The girly bars hold no interest for me lol

Extra reason to NOT start at Angeles 

Cherryann01 wrote:

(To Tariq) Well I would certainly be interested to find out more about how you plan to earn enough money in the Philippines without touching your retirement funds because I am looking to do the same, just not exactly sure how yet.

I kind of partly do "opposite"     =Invest big part of my savings at 1-2 businesses to earn by so I in some years will afford to get all what I want. (I dont have any expensive wishes except geting a big house built after my plans.)
In worst case I can live rather ok at the in western country messute tiny  retirement payouts I get monthly.

Cherryann01 wrote:

(I am looking into getting a TEFL certificate so I can teach English either remotely or face to face and have thought about doing this in Vietnam to be nearer to the Philippines so my girlfriend can hop on a short flight to see me and I can do the same. I am not sure if this will work out but living costs in Vietnam are cheap and it would just be until I can afford to retire in the Philippines.

Several foreigners have lived at teaching English or teaching accents to Call center workers in the Philippines.
But many FILIPINOS teach English to South Koreans     through internet, so I suppouse low pay at such in foreigner messure.

I was thinking more on the lines of living and teaching in Vietnam just for 2 or 3 years. Then I would be nearer to the Philippines and can visit during my holidays.

For the OP:

What visa ?

I get th eimpression this is not really serious. Perhaps bait for a youtube channel?

Cherryann01 wrote:

I was thinking more on the lines of living and teaching in Vietnam just for 2 or 3 years. Then I would be nearer to the Philippines and can visit during my holidays.

Being in the Philippines is even closer to the Philippines   

According to general economy info at national level (before covid) VietNam developed and got raised living costs rather much - and Thailand much - faster than the Philippines, so does VietNam cost any significant less than the Philippines nowadays??   
(I mean OTHER than the expensive parts of the Philippines. )

Maybe not as cheap in Vietnam now but with a much better salary than in the Philippines and a reasonably cheap (like on of the cheapest in the world), it would be a better move I think.

emvaningen wrote:

For the OP:

What visa ?

I get th eimpression this is not really serious. Perhaps bait for a youtube channel?

It's not a bait for a youtube channel. As per his posts, which started some 3+ years ago, he is serious about moving to the Philippines. If the pandemic did not happen, he probably would have already visited the Philippines and already had his business up and running.

I am allowed to get Visa extensions after 1 month

I’m going on a tourist visa as of February 10 you can just fly over with a passport. I’m sorry that you think this is bay but I’m 100% real on this. After 30 days I will apply for a visa extension of either two months or six months depending on the office I go to

I purchased a ticket on Philippines airlines. A one-way ticket to the Philippines was about $790. I picked July 30. Then I purchased another ticket for three weeks later called a throwaway ticket for Malaysia this was a little bit over $200.

Thank you for realizing this is anything but bait. You have always been a big supporter of me on this page

TEFL/Tesol is deff something i will do. The market to China has shut down but there’s numerous other countries that are looking for English teachers online. The pay is pretty decent and it’s more than enough to cover all your bills and expenses depending on the lifestyle you decide to live.

I’m also in the process of getting my Google certifications for digital marketing. This is another huge avenue which is largely u explorer with the older generation but beginning to boom with the younger. Most digital marketing jobs allow you to work remotely and the pay can range from between 40K - 80K a year depending on experience and education

Another thing I plan on doing is going back to college I’ve always wanted to obtain a college degree and I am currently in the process of enrolling in CSU an online university. After a couple of semesters I will be able to get the maximum in student loans as well as grants that can help me out to cover certain living expenses

And lastly utilizing social media platforms. I’m an entrepreneur at heart and I plan on promoting myself and my brand. I’m here to show the average young American roughly about my age that you don’t have to be retired to leave the country. Believe it or not there are a lot of young Americans(20s - 40s) whom are interested in leaving the USA or whatever western country they are in. I plan on showing them that not only can it be done but they can be done very effectively and is relatively not difficult. All it takes is an open mind and a little ingenuity

Tariq1983 wrote:

Another thing I plan on doing is going back to college I’ve always wanted to obtain a college degree and I am currently in the process of enrolling in CSU an online university. After a couple of semesters I will be able to get the maximum in student loans as well as grants that can help me out to cover certain living expenses

But thats a LOAN.  Covering LIVING costs with loan is a very bad idea.  (Except if the education will make you will earn more money and dont waste to much money and time.)

Its common higher educations are made to make EMPLOYEES for big companies, so big part of them are WASTED if aiming at having own business.
((I did e g a Business economy course, which normaly take 3 YEARS, in 18 HOURS by I skiped reading all parts ment for employees, so I only got ok grade.
And I skiped college after one semester because I found them teaching to slow    and partly unmodern, and started to learn things by nyself instead.))

I’m not saying I have everything perfect 100% really what plan is ever 100% fool proof? There are definitely some risk involved in this move but they are risk I have already contemplated and I’m willing to take.

I apologise.

Hadn't seen your long time contributions.

I apoligise

Its great to come here on a vacation. But living here is a whole different animal. Coming here having a firm financial base I myself would say is better. Coming here having to try to earn funds to live here is risky.

My thoughts huh, I would use my youth to work toward investing and saving money to retire on. I would do this in my home country. You can never go back and get those years once they are gone. Using your youth to build the financial base you need as senior is wise.

I myself did the time 43 years working in my home country. Now living in the philippines for past 7 years on my pensions. Its so much nicer not having to be concern with finances.

One last thing, its important to do your do diligence to learn all you can about the Philippines before coming here. Living here is different than vacationing or being station here back in the day. And I did both of those. It took me 5 years to adjust to living here. Everyone is different. But I would not want to live here like local, no offense meant to that. But living more like the standards in my home country is easier for me to adjust than like locals. But to each their own.

Tariq1983 wrote:

This is a long-term trip I’m flying out there and then have no set plans on coming back anytime soon

Hi Tariq. . . .I just came across a You Tube video this morning published by "Old Dog New Tricks" . Retiring in the Philippines? Published on Feb 3rd.

Many on this forum have view his videos and nothing but positive comments. Although the subject was retiring in the Philippines, it has so much content for you and the many others who have posted questions on this forum concerning about moving here.

This video is answers most of the questions put forth on countless postings.

I know exactly who you’re talking about I have been following his channel for almost 2 years now lol. Him in Sunshine Shoulders are my go to channels

Tariq1983 wrote:

I know exactly who you’re talking about I have been following his channel for almost 2 years now lol. Him in Sunshine Shoulders are my go to channels

I like Sunshine Shoulders channel better. He lives a simple life and is happy. One of his recent episodes about the incident with immigration - which made him feel like just packing up and going back home - is an example of challenges one might have to face here in the Philippines. It's not just financially but also mentally and emotionally that we have to be prepared.

As a woman and a mom, I feel uncomfortable that Old Dog parades his girlfriend like that on skimpy tight shorts and high cut tops. Not for me.

BUT . . . Then again, these channels are monetized vlogs. You don't really know if an episode or parts of it are truthful. So I watch them with a grain of salt and just let my own personal experience be my day-to-day guide here in the Philippines.

Tariq1983 wrote:

TEFL/Tesol is deff something i will do. The market to China has shut down but there’s numerous other countries that are looking for English teachers online. The pay is pretty decent and it’s more than enough to cover all your bills and expenses depending on the lifestyle you decide to live.

I purchased training course for TESOL more than a year ago, just out of curiosity. But soon after, I got busy with my kids' online schooling and my work. I still haven't completed the course. LOL. I purchased a course package with a lifetime access. At least I can go back to training when I have the time. I would suggest that you purchase a similar plan / package.

See Spence... I knew those short-shorts were going to get Paul in trouble one of these days...  We'll have to tell Baby Mae to ease up a bit.. huh?... LOL

tpiro wrote:

See Spence... I knew those short-shorts were going to get Paul in trouble one of these days...  We'll have to tell Baby Mae to ease up a bit.. huh?... LOL

I can see where FilAmericanMom is coming from. Originally my first thought about Paul's blogs is here is some Old Fart chasing a young Filly. But this is old hat in the Philippines, Expats having relationships with much younger women seems to be the norm. I would bet money this is more common than an Expat having a mate or wife closer to his own age. My Filipina wife and I are both seniors.

A survey of Pornhub shows more women visit their site then men.

Two personal things come to mind. In the states I had several dates with a woman 25 years younger than myself, she felt embarrassed because of all the stares she felt.

Now in the Philippines, I went grocery shopping with my daughter-in-law.  She is approximately 50 years younger than me. I felt like some old fool, thinking that people were thinking I was her Expat boyfriend.

As far as Daisy Mae, I'm sure it helps monetize Paul's blog, but the content keeps me coming back, not Daisy Mae. The wondering eyes of most men can search out better places for their eyes to wander.

Yea i enjoy watching both channels but i agree Paul being 65+ parading a 23 year old around half naked is kinda cringy. However I’m not here to judge anyone else’s life and she’s an adult. That aside I get a lot of insight from both of those channels as well as Gio in the Philippines, The Black Filipino, The Filipina Pea, and Reekay. As you can tell I’ve made my rounds on YouTube with all the Philippines bloggers 😂😂😂

Enzyte Bob wrote:

Two personal things come to mind. In the states I had several dates with a woman 25 years younger than myself, she felt embarrassed because of all the stares she felt.

Now in the Philippines, I went grocery shopping with my daughter-in-law.  She is approximately 50 years younger than me. I felt like some old fool, thinking that people were thinking I was her Expat boyfriend.

As far as Daisy Mae, I'm sure it helps monetize Paul's blog, but the content keeps me coming back, not Daisy Mae. The wondering eyes of most men can search out better places for their eyes to wander.

My GF is 20 years younger and in the PI this is not really an issue, in fact many Filipino men do the same - it's kind of cultural. But when we go to Singapore or Malaysia I do get the dirty looks from time to time.

However a couple years ago I took her 19 yr old niece to several appointments as she had an infected eye and my GF was busy with school. We went to Cebu Doctors Hospital, a pharmacy at Ayala, an optometrist and even had a bite to eat. Oh my, the dirty looks I was getting.. because apparently people thought I was dating this girl who was 45 years younger. So they have their limits, and I wouldn't want to be experiencing that on a daily basis. I know she felt a little uncomfortable too.

Tariq, I liked your YT video - good for you, man. You have a good head on your shoulders and can make this happen if you break out of the American rat race of overconsumption and endlessly seeking more.

pnwcyclist wrote:

My GF is 20 years younger and in the PI this is not really an issue, in fact many Filipino men do the same - it's kind of cultural.

What?  Its no issue in "western" countries neither, at least not in Sweden.
Scientists have found out women around 20-25yo suit best together with around 20 years older men, because such age difference is more in sync sexualy because young men act to fast, and because  men in average are immature compared to women in their age.

Actualy back when I were around 40yo allmost all women, who did "run" after me,  were teenagers to 23yo.  And I DIDNT spend money at them, except a soda or so     
(And when some of them asked what I worked with I told it so it sounded as I were employee, although I were the business owner   

coach53 wrote:

Scientists have found out women around 20-25yo suit best together with around 20 years older men, because such age difference is more in sync sexualy because young men act to fast, and because  men in average are immature compared to women in their age.

The problem with that is the scientists who did the study took into consideration the "here and now" and not what would happen in the next 10, 20, 30 years.

One of my close friends, a Filipina nurse in the US, wanted to marry her co-worker who was 19 years older than her. (She was already a US citizen even before they met.) Her family and friends were not in favor of this because of their age difference. But she said that she wants him because he's mature, and she said that she's sure that he will not hurt her. She was 26 and he was 45 when they got married.

A year later, she gave birth to twins. One of them had a mild case of cerebral palsy. Because of health concerns from possible lead exposure from their old house, the small space and to be nearer to schools, they moved from their 2-bedroom house to a 3-bedroom three years later. They used the money from the sale of the old house as a downpayment, and secured a 25-year mortgage for the new house. She was 30 then, and he was 49.

One of their twins needed therapy. Since my friend was earning more than her husband, they both decided that she would work full-time and her husband would work part-time until their kid was done with therapy. At age 54, the husband had a midlife crisis. He said he doesn't want to be a medical technician anymore and would want to be a pilot. He wrote a check to the flight school without telling her. When she learned about it, there was nothing much she can do. He did this despite the fact that they didn't have much in savings, both kids were 8 years old and still in school, and they have a mortgage to pay.

Fast-forward 10 years later. My friend: 45 years old. Her husband: 64 and already retired from being a medical technician (not a pilot), receiving social security pension (which isn't much). The kids will be in college soon. They have 10 more years to pay on the mortgage. A big financial burden is now on my friend.

The son who had cerebral palsy went to college. But her other son went instead to trade school and got a job to help pay for his brother's tuition. He's planning to go to college when his brother has graduated. But with the prohibitive cost of tuition in the US, he's thinking of getting his computer science education / degree in the Philippines.

Currently, my friend is 50. Her husband is 69. Considering the average life expectancy in the US, he'll probably be gone in 11 years. At age 60+, it's harder for women to find a new partner compared to men of the same age. My friend will probably end up alone for the next 20 years after her husband has passed away. 

There are also risks when a woman enters into a relationship with a much younger man. One of my husband's relatives broke up with her ex-boyfriend. She was 62. Her new boyfriend was 15 years younger. After 1 year of living together, the boyfriend was charged with credit card fraud for opening accounts under her name. He took out US$30k+ in loans under her name. They're not together anymore, of course.

I won't be surprised if a woman, who married a man 20 years her senior in her 20's saying that she likes mature men, leaves him after 10 years, as she sees more clearly what lies ahead and while it is not too late for her. Scientific studies tend to focus on the "here and now." It's harder to do a study on what happens in the long-term.

Sadly, a lot of men that marry women that are 25 30 years younger than them are attempting to relive their youth, not enjoy their age. When I was 52 I had a GF in the states that was 26, we dated for 3 years, but it was on and off, mostly because I was bored by her, great sex but not much else in common. When men get through the sex appeal, if they have matured any since their teen years, find that more than 10 to 15 years difference is too much, but that is just my opinion. Love and peace

Michael P. Carter wrote:

Sadly, a lot of men that marry women that are 25 30 years younger than them are attempting to relive their youth, not enjoy their age. When I was 52 I had a GF in the states that was 26, we dated for 3 years, but it was on and off, mostly because I was bored by her, great sex but not much else in common. When men get through the sex appeal, if they have matured any since their teen years, find that more than 10 to 15 years difference is too much, but that is just my opinion. Love and peace

What we have here is a failure to communicate. "Cool hand Luke".

Well taken Michael. . . Leaving Western men & Filipina's out of the equation,  middle age men  go through Male menopause. If they live long enough they go through it a second time.

Then there is infatuation, mistaken this for love,  it wears off, sooner or later.

Finally Western men & Filipina's involving age differences, they are both seeking something from each other. Not a good equation, over time they realize what they thought they wanted is not what they want "now".

FilAmericanMom wrote:

coach53 wrote:

Scientists have found out women around 20-25yo suit best together with around 20 years older men, because such age difference is more in sync sexualy because young men act to fast, and because  men in average are immature compared to women in their age.

The problem with that is the scientists who did the study took into consideration the "here and now" and not what would happen in the next 10, 20, 30 years.

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There are also risks when a woman enters into a relationship with a much younger man. One of my husband's relatives broke up with her ex-boyfriend. She was 62. Her new boyfriend was 15 years younger. After 1 year of living together, the boyfriend was charged with credit card fraud for opening accounts under her name. He took out US$30k+ in loans under her name. They're not together anymore, of course.

I won't be surprised if a woman, who married a man 20 years her senior in her 20's saying that she likes mature men, leaves him after 10 years, as she sees more clearly what lies ahead and while it is not too late for her. Scientific studies tend to focus on the "here and now." It's harder to do a study on what happens in the long-term.

Well. I mensioned only a part of that scientist report.
Concerning the sex part around 40 yo women is most in sync with around 20 year YOUNGER men, because then are both close to their sex peak.

So if a woman around 20yo marry a 20 year older man, it become some problem when both get 20 years older.
So the human race is wrong constructed  concerning couples suiting together long time.

FilAmericanMom wrote:

One of my close friends, a Filipina nurse in the US, wanted to marry her co-worker who was 19 years older than her. (She was already a US citizen even before they met.) Her family and friends were not in favor of this because of their age difference. But she said that she wants him because he's mature, and she said that she's sure that he will not hurt her. She was 26 and he was 45 when they got married.
...

One of their twins needed therapy. Since my friend was earning more than her husband, they both decided that she would work full-time and her husband would work part-time until their kid was done with therapy. At age 54, the husband had a midlife crisis. He said he doesn't want to be a medical technician anymore and would want to be a pilot. He wrote a check to the flight school without telling her. When she learned about it, there was nothing much she can do. He did this despite the fact that they didn't have much in savings, both kids were 8 years old and still in school, and they have a mortgage to pay.

Well. They were not synced concerning other things anyway. 
With such age difference, when they married, normaly HE would have the (much) higher salary and HE having savings...

Michael P. Carter wrote:

Sadly, a lot of men that marry women that are 25 30 years younger than them are attempting to relive their youth, not enjoy their age. When I was 52 I had a GF in the states that was 26, we dated for 3 years, but it was on and off, mostly because I was bored by her, great sex but not much else in common. When men get through the sex appeal, if they have matured any since their teen years, find that more than 10 to 15 years difference is too much, but that is just my opinion. Love and peace

Well. The older, the less age related crisis left to go through   

It has changed some to it has become more common with middle aged women marry young men.
E g a Filipina woman I know, some years after her father died, her 45yo mother - with six kids - married a 23 yo.

My father didnt dare to get into middle age crisis because my mother was strong   She almost strangled my father during they slept when she had grabbed back of his pyjamas jacked and dreamed she tried to open a hard to open door  Luckily she woke up in time to stop by the "death noices" my father made.
And mother's father got in "middle age crisis" when he was 75yo    He was born 1890 but he realy followed modernisations, still counting himself as young - and looked much younger and were in good shape too still - when he was 85 yo.  He got fired when he was 92      by he had got some bad memory and had forgot to forward two big orders.
When my mother was teenager she heared my grandmother talking with her friends worried some about what she would do when much older grandfather will die.  It ended up with grandmother got long time ill in bed, grandfather took care of her and carried her around when he was old. Older grandfather died 13 years AFTER younger grandmother...

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((As perhaps you have noticed my relatives including cousins are some odd      Each SECOND generation marry with "uncommon" ages both with the men and women being the older. 
Both my grandfathers got grabbed by much younger women 

My father's father married BOTH much older and much younger! When he was 23 he married rather much older grandmother.  She died by cancer when she was 63.  Years later when he was 55 a rather much younger beautiful rich woman married my poor grandfather. (He had screwed up his economy some when grandmother didnt keep it in order anymore.) As 8 yo I said "Not recomended" about her     by in difference from the others I noticed direct she was very selfish.

My grandmother mother's side is from Finnland where there were a much shortage of men because Finnland had MORE wars than the world by freedom war against Russia followed by a civil war. When she was close to 30yo she left an office work and left to Sweden to get a husband      became housekeeper for my still bachelor grandfather and they married some later.

Btw - We have uncommonly low percentage of divorces. Perhaps depending of marrying with age differences?   
Beside two, my blood relatives havent been guilty to any divorces, but both these are Sagitarius      Three have divoced by been cheated TO. Two MALE cousins took care of their kids by themselves after the mothers had left them and the kids!