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FindlayMacD

I had a call recently from Bureau of Immigration here in Cagayan De Oro with regard to my application for Motion To Reconsider which was filed in June 2021 as my 3 year stay here would end on August 22nd 2021. My hope was that we could apply for 13a because at that time, if I had left Philippines it was not clear if I would be able to return. Unfortunately when we eventually returned to Bureau of Immigration a few days later to apply for the 13a we were told that we could not file that application until we were give the decision on the Motion to Reconsider.

Since then my 3 year stay ended and we have just been in limbo waiting to hear the outcome and when we visited Bureau of Immigration this week they added up all the fees for the Motion to Reconsider, visa charges and penalties since August 2021 and the annual renewal of my alien ID card which expired in November 2021. The total came to more than P35k but will legalise my stay here until May 22nd 2022 at which point I must leave the country, but thankfully I will be allowed to return.

The purpose of my post is to try to find out everything I need to know about leaving the country and returning. I have heard recently that Covid Insurance is required and that only vaccinated tourists (which I am I think) (do I require a booster shot) can enter the country. If I fly to Malaysia or Singapore for instance, what will be required there to be able to board a flight to the Philippines, IE PCR test etc, throw away ticket and Covid Insurance.

lcdrski

start surfing this site and their are good you tube videos that discuss the topic you want, good luck

kristopherryanwatson

35K in charges and fees after such a  short period of time ?  (you mentioned August to November). Could you elaborate ?

Just curious:
what kind of fees would that consist of?

Also, could you share more about your situation and the 13A ID you were needing to or were trying to renew ?

I'm in a similar situation, sort of, and i'm trying to navigate my best route to resolve this soon.

Thank you.

FindlayMacD

kristopherryanwatson wrote:

35K in charges and fees after such a  short period of time ?  (you mentioned August to November). Could you elaborate ?


It was a fee for the Motion to Reconsider 10k, plus visa fees and penalties from August last year until May 2022, also the charge for renewal of my alien id card. In actual fact I had been told by others in this forum that the Motion to Reconsider alone could of cost up to 30k. I don't know who makes the decision on what the fee should be but from what I understand it is not a fixed charge.

FindlayMacD

The 13a application is because we got married in April 2021, but because the NBI office here in Cagayan De Oro was closed down for a long time due to a Covid outbreak there, it was very hard to get all the necessary clearances and papers in order before August when I was supposed to leave the country.

FindlayMacD

FindlayMacD wrote:

The 13a application is because we got married in April 2021, but because the NBI office here in Cagayan De Oro was closed down for a long time due to a Covid outbreak there, it was very hard to get all the necessary clearances and papers in order before August when I was supposed to leave the country.


It does not matter what went before or what problems the Filipino government placed in your way with regard to Covid restrictions etc, it does not matter how hard you tried to comply and stay within the rules despite all the various rule changes, at the end of the day, foreigners, visas for foreigners, visa extensions for foreigners and motions to reconsider etc etc are a vital part of the Philippine economy. I doesn't matter why you didn't comply with their rules, as far as the Bureau of Immigration is concerned you are a foreigner and you WILL pay.

FindlayMacD

My original post was aimed at foreigners who had recently arrived in the Philippines, what evidence they were asked to provide with regard to their Covid status (IE PCR test at the airport they had departed from etc. If they were asked for a ticket to exit the Philippines and lastly if they had to show proof of some kind of Covid Insurance.

Enzyte Bob

FindlayMacD wrote:

My original post was aimed at foreigners who had recently arrived in the Philippines, what evidence they were asked to provide with regard to their Covid status (IE PCR test at the airport they had departed from etc. If they were asked for a ticket to exit the Philippines and lastly if they had to show proof of some kind of Covid Insurance.


My stepson is returning to the UK next week, he contacted  PAL and they said he did not need any covid tests to exit, he received the message via Facebook.

New strain of covid BA.2 is starting to hit the news.

aalottjr

Just got here from Dubai had to show proof of vaccine proof of 48 hour pcr test one health pass and covid insurance I bought through Phillip one airlines. Look at iTunes on onehealth pass to see if you need a booster buy I believe you do.
Now the question is where do I get pcr test in Davao to return to Dubai on 31st
Terry

Wellsfry

You are probably connecting in Manila?  If so... just go to the covid lab at the airport park and ride... I got my rtpcr test (3000) done in 6 hours... before I flew back to u.s.

lcdrski

I am finally here!!!!! Working with my expediter to get my SRRV. All the best and thanks to everyone for all the info.  Jim

kristopherryanwatson

Thank you for answering my prior questions and for sharing your experience.

you must feel quite relieved that it seems your task in this seems to be resolved...some 30k + later.   :|

Again, i am in a similar situation with my 13A visa, still trying to figure out the best way to resolve it. But you've certainly shed some light on things i'm considering.

rcvining

@kristopherryanwatson Hi, Kris. I received approval for my 13a about 2-1/2 years ago from the PH embassy in Washington, so my experiences may not apply very well now. The big things you'll need are the Report of Marriage and your wife's birth certificate, both from the Philippine Statistics Authority (PSA). I arrived here in Jan 2020 with a package from the embassy and instructions to give it to the immigration officer in Manila. He opened it, looked through it, and wrote 13a on the stamp he put in my passport.

What nobody told me was that I had to go to the main BI office in Manila to complete the immigration process, which also included a visit to the Bureau of Quarantine for a number of tests, and then they would process my ACR-ID card. Since I didn't know about this, I was prevented from leaving two weeks later. Thankfully Delta Airlines was very understanding, and I had enough cash to handle all the taxis and fees. It took 2 days of standing in long lines (I think I picked up a weak case of COVID, before we knew what COVID was), and I also had to get a travel waiver since it took - at the time - 4 weeks to process the ID card.

In addition to money, patience is required in all things in the Philippines. A friendly attitude also helps, especially when dealing with government employees. Good luck and let me know if I can answer any questions. -- Rich

Guest7983
@FindlayMacD Get out of the  Philippines!!
This whole country has been and always will be a
total shit hole.. And it’s only getting worse! The economy will never improve and the garbage and corruption will keep growing like weeds. Foreigners are not really welcomed here. They just want to exploit the foreigner and suck every nickel and dime out of you that they can. I’m married to a Filipina now for over 30 years whom I met and married in the states and we decided to retire PART TIME here in Cebu. I can only take a few months here before I want to go back to civilization. Like the saying goes… “it’s a nice place to visit, but you wouldn’t want to live here”.
BC57

I had a call recently from Bureau of Immigration here in Cagayan De Oro with regard to my application for Motion To Reconsider which was filed in June 2021 as my 3 year stay here would end on August 22nd 2021. My hope was that we could apply for ... - @FindlayMacD

 Youtube has a bunch of info but you can also contact immigration help on Facebook, they usually respond. Don't forget to look into the country that you are going to when you leave so you know what is required to enter that country. Good luck.

tpiro
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about the Philippines... however, if you don't like, then leave!.. and no one will ever know the difference.  But don't trash it and slam it up for others.
thedfords
I think I'm wondering where is the checklist?
Michael P. Carter

@arty5987 I'm interested how you do not see the garbage in the USA and the homeless encampments , the mass shootings all over the country and the corrupt political system, kind of wearing blinders about it I guess. But, to each his own and when you post stuff like this it comes across as sour grapes about things not looking like you want them to look. 

Guest7983

@Michael P. Carter are you kidding me??!!! Don’t even think of comparing the Philippines with the United States. We may have our homeless like every country in the world, but we’re still the best place to live. No security guards everywhere you look. Maybe You feel the way you do because you have no future in your own country. Sour grapes because this “so called” country is full of pollution, corruption and Lack of proper government. I still spend some time here, but how many beaches and waterfalls can you visit?? 

coach53

@FindlayMacD Get out of the  Philippines!!

This whole country has been and always will be a total shit hole.. And it's only getting worse! The economy will never improve and the garbage and corruption will keep growing like weeds. . @arty5987
 At least before covid the Philippine economy developed BETTER than the economy in USA...   :)   
(I predicted allready around 1995 SE Asia will develop better than North America and West Europe.)
Since then e g USA has got LOWERED credit worth and SE Asia managed much better the world economical crisis - which was inflicted by stupid AMERICAN "specialist" investors very much overvalued worth of  security from peopled with BAD credit!!!  
(I have predicted two of the other stock market falls with a half year before they happened, but I didnt see this one coming. I knew since before that many "specialist" investors are incompetent or not working for whats best for their clients, but I didnt believe they were that much incompetent so I didnt even think of this possibility to get a world economic crisis because I didnt think opf that stupid was possible among people suppoused to be clever... :)
coach53

@arty5987 I'm interested  how you do not see the garbage in the USA and the homeless encampments , the mass shootings all over the country and the corrupt political system, kind of wearing blinders about it I guess. But, to each his own and when you post stuff like this it comes across as sour grapes about things not looking like you want them to look. 

 @Michael P. Carter

 Yes SOME Americans believe that crap is superior the best in the world believeing all foreigners wanting a green card to USA, believing even west Europeans from much better countries than USA "sure" want to scam to get a green card!!! 
USA wasnt even  among the candidates...   :)   when I started thinking of emmigrating from Sweden (because I were angry at Swedish tax laws didnt let me deduct the small cost for the material to a prototype to an invention/construction I had made.)   But I thought of Canada and Australia   :)
Not even  some  (middle class) south American and Ukranian women want to stay in USA when they see in place how USA is... I know of some, who told their American boyfriends no way they would live in USA and to the relation to become long time they demanded the Americans to MOVE AWAY to south America.  (E g Brazilian and Colombia. I believe one is from Ecuador..) 

These SOME Americans gloryfying USA even  with obvious FALSE statements as e g  the BS "USA fight for democracy"  make I kind of "have to"  :)   spend time repeetingly to tell AMERICANS about the TRUTH about USA...  
((I complain against Swedish issues  too in  other forums where there are many Swedes, even with the much less reason than the crap with the much to often false glorified USA  :)     E g now I protest when Swedish military try to get much raised money saying BS "reason" as there is risk Russia will attack Sweden "because of they attacked Ukraine"!!!  Even  if that very low possibility would happen by crazyness of Putin, it wouldmt be invation, it would be sending some rocket bombs and against such it wouldnt help with what the Swedish military want more money too anyway...  E g they want money to reopen two closed military defenses in places where Russia SURE WOULDNT bother to attack!!!    1f923.svg
Michael P. Carter

@arty5987 "There are none so blind as those that will not see" John Heywood (c. 1497 – c. 1580)

coach53

@arty5987 "There are none so blind as those that will not see" John Heywood (c. 1497 – c. 1580)

- @Michael P. Carter
 I suppouse such people as he will think thats ment in opposite direction inspite of its them who have the facts wrong   1f923.svg

Lotus Eater
@FindlayMacD Get out of the  Philippines!!
This whole country has been and always will be a
total shit hole.. And it’s only getting worse! The economy will never improve and the garbage and corruption will keep ... - @arty5987
 The Chinese have the philosophical concept of the Yin & Yang - opposite forces that can be complementary to each other.

Whenever you visit another country either for a vacation or to live permanently inevitably you will end up comparing the good and bad. For many expats who have relocated to the Philippines over the years the ‘bad’ has outweighed the ‘good’ and have ended up returning to their original domicile. To quote Captain Spock ‘human emotions are so predictable’

The Philippines without doubt is wanting in many areas which regular readers of this Forum will be aware of. But it has several pluses as well - one of which I don’t need to spell out..

The term ‘absence makes the heart grow fonder’ applies not just to human emotional relationships but everything that you have grown up with in your place of birth.

Many expats on this Forum want and expect to have ‘their cake and eat it’ Dream on and do yourself a favour and stop whinging. It ain’t gonna happen.

A solution for some, though not all, is at hand. What I call the Yin & Yang. Spend a portion of the year in the Philippines (for example the northern hemisphere winter months of Jan - March) and return for the rest of the year. Agreed for some this will not be financially practical. Many Forum members on this site have found themselves ‘trapped’ and have nowhere to go. Some have strong family connections which preclude them for going back and forth - yup I get that.

Psychologically knowing that you have not ‘burnt your bridges’ i.e sold up everything in your country of origin can act as a soothing balm when frustration kicks in. The knowledge that you have an ‘escape’ route will give you piece of mind.

Perhaps something to consider.
pnwcyclist
That's pretty much what I do, and have for several years, with exception of this past couple years due to Covid restrictions. Stay in the tropics 4-6 months during the Northern Hemisphere winter, go back for the summer months to relax in peace and quiet :)

Another key  to contentment in the Philippines is avoiding the largest cities, although this can be difficult if there are kids and you want them in good schools - one reason we stayed in Cebu City for so long were the private schools.. But in any case, a certain number of amenities are required wherever you are - decent restaurants, grocery stores, coffee shops, and not too far from an airport. 
Okieboy
The Philippines is what it is, a third world country, corruption is in the culture, it has been corrupt so long the people think it is normal, it doesn't bother me, I take it as convenient, when the head of Immigration tells me I can rush you thru for 1000, I already had it in my passport, not the best system but once you learn it, it works for me
eptowing
The Philippines is what it is, a third world country, corruption is in the culture, it has been corrupt so long the people think it is normal, it doesn't bother me, I take it as convenient, when the head of Immigration tells me I can rush you thru for 1000, I already had it in my passport, not the best system but once you learn it, it works for me
- @Okieboy
I am making me first trip to the Philippines in less then two weeks. I will be there for three months. Does stuff like that really happen? I think its great I love convenient like that.   
TitoDan
W   O   W  ! !   After reading all this (I came here, all anticipative, hoping for some help in getting to Php for a vacation, to meet my Skype Fiancee of two years, possibly get married--via Zoom, with a legal Utah marriage certificate--Google NYT article for info--and take a break from all the commotion in the world.  Commotion.....??  Boy did I find a bunch of that here in Expats.com!!  I'm almost afraid to buy an airline ticket now.....  Seriously.  I never did find any inkling of a 'checklist!!.'  Self-examination now in progress; Correction of Course quite possible, etc....   Sadness lurking around every corner....   Etc.  I must take a vacation (break) from my vacation plans.......    TD   
coach53
W   O   W  ! !   After reading all this (I came here, all anticipative, hoping for some help in getting to Php for a vacation, to meet my Skype Fiancee of two years, possibly get married--via Zoom, with a legal Utah marriage certificat
- @TitoDan
No need of online marriage anymore to get into the Philippines, because of the borders is opened now (with health insurance and negative covid test)., 
So better meet a while before decide IF marry. 

You need to check which demands to fullfil then.  Its some different if marry in the Philippines.
Guest7983
@coach53 still the best economy in the world with the best colleges in the world, the best health care in the world. Oh and by the way… don’t get sick in the Philippines.. their health care is a total disaster! “ Money before health”… that should be their motto
Maybe if the Filipino guys would stop urinating in public along the side of the street, , that would be a first step in cleaning up this country. Garbage??? Really???… you want to compared garbage??!! What’s wrong with you?. WOW…The ignorance is showing through now.
Enzyte Bob
W   O   W  ! !   After reading all this (I came here, all anticipative, hoping for some help in getting to Php for a vacation, to meet my Skype Fiancee of two years, possibly get married--via Zoom, with a legal Utah marriage certificate--Google NYT article for info--and take a break from all the commotion in the world.  Commotion.....??  Boy did I find a bunch of that here in [link under review]!!  I'm almost afraid to buy an airline ticket now.....  Seriously.  I never did find any inkling of a 'checklist!!.'  Self-examination now in progress; Correction of Course quite possible, etc....   Sadness lurking around every corner....   Etc.  I must take a vacation (break) from my vacation plans.......    TD   
- @TitoDan

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The money for an airline ticket can be put to better use by hiring a Psychiatrist. (Skype Fiancee, Zoom Marriage?) if you can't afford a Psychiatrist, maybe a good friend can wack your head with a 2x4.



coach53
@coach53 still the best economy in the world with the best colleges in the world, the best health care in the world. Oh and by the way… don’t get sick in the Philippines.. their health care is a total disaster! “ Money before health”… that should be their motto
Maybe if the Filipino guys would stop urinating in public along the side of the street, , that would be a first step in cleaning up this country. Garbage??? Really???… you want to compared garbage??!! What’s wrong with you?. WOW…The ignorance is showing through now.
- @arty5987
Well.   
Colleges:
Perhaps the best QUALITY at the TOP ones, but it would be odd if such a huge country as USA wouldnt have some top ones  :)    BUT are the colleges and universities realy the best in the world in AVERAGE?  And a big MINUS is many Americans cant afford or get broke by the college fees, while in Sweden can  ANYONE afford to go to go to college/university by subsidities and the state lend out money to students so parents dont need to afford anything...
IF USA is so fantastic, how come some American companies have SNATCHED inventions from Sweden?   :)      (E g the first computer mouse. Sweden are very good at making inventions, but terrible laws make the risks ridicilous biger.  This make many Swedish inventions are BOUGHT by Norway and Japan and snatched by China and USA  :)  and made businesses of them.  ((That stupid tax law made I skiped making business of an own invention I made prototype of, and I didnt make any of the other inventions/constructions I had at idea level.))
Left to see which country will buy/snatch the total new battery type Stockholm University has invented recently   :)
(I cooperated some with an other Swedish college back when I did lead a development for a client, but that was software development, probably not for patenting, because if patenting then the idea has to be told =Easier to snatch   :)

Health care:
Isnt it only for them, who can afford it?   :)     Or why have many of the Americans, who afford it, PRIVATE health insurances otherwice?   :D
In Sweden health care fees are like just 50 usd and medicines are much subsidised.

Best economy: 
BS.  The truth is its IMPORTANT, because of its BIG, its NOT the best. Because why have USA got LOWERED credit classification otherwice...?  :D
And it has WEAKEND enough to more and more business people and economists start questioning if leting USA stay being the international trade currency...  EURO and Chinese currency as well as a weighted of different currencies have been discussed as replacement alternatives.  Some not economist even say Bitcoin  1f923.svg
It was some funny USA opened the blocked trading with China believing USA would sell much more to China than the opposite, but it became huge in advance for China. Thats a very good example of many Americans believing you are much better than you REALY are..:D

Garbage:
Oh you compare USA with a THIRD world country as the Philippines?!!!  1f923.svg    I compare USA with west European countries...
An UKRAINIAN women found USA bad concerning garbage, and Ukraine (before Russia attacked them) was far behind west European countries...

Ignorance:
There are many Americans obviously in top...  E g YOU prove it over and over again... 1f923.svg
Enzyte Bob
Coach 53
IF USA is so fantastic, how come some American companies have SNATCHED inventions from Sweden? 

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Like the secret receipt of Swedish Meatballs, or Swedish Laplanders castrating Raindeers by biting their testicles off.

Guest7983
I never heard so much total bullshit come from one mouth. Please get your head examined. You sound like you’re trying real hard to justify your reasoning. But you fail in all attempts. If you like your country of Sweden, by all means go back there. If you like this shit hole we call the Philippines, then live here. I’ll take the United States And love it.
coach53
I never heard so much total bullshit come from one mouth. Please get your head examined.
- @arty5987
The computer mouse origin is discussable but Hakan Lanz has been in court about two of his inventions stolen by American  companies.

Do you claim USA havent got lowered credit rate or lost MUCH in the trade ballance with China?
Or WHAT do you claim is BS of what I wrote ?     So I know which parts to crush you with evidience about...   :D

Its PROVEN how ignorant many Americans are by the FALSE claims e g YOU are saying   1f923.svg
Guest7983
Childish reasoning… why don’t you use a few more emoji’s.. someday when you grow up you’ll understand. (Maybe).
manwonder
Err...I'm not too sure about the computer mouse..but I do know that the computer thumbdrive was invented in Singapore....maybe the Philippines does have her own set of problems/issues & I do hope they manage to resolve them soon....but I also understand that for the first time in modern history, Asia is now richer than Europe. And it is catching up with North America too.
coach53
Childish reasoning… why don’t you use a few more emoji’s.. someday when you grow up you’ll understand. (Maybe).
- @arty5987
1f923.svg1f923.svg1f923.svg    So thats your answer to my question WHAT you claim what of all the FACTS I wrote is wrong, while you havent written a single fact to support the BS LIES you are claiming!  Not suprising because you havent any such...  :D
Enzyte Bob


coach53
while you havent written a single fact to support the BS LIES you are claiming!  Not suprising because you havent any such... 

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Talk about writing, coach you have posted almost a 1,000 times, but you have never been a OP with helpful information from your own personal experiences to the benefit of the members of this forum.

Guest7983
@Enzyte Bob
Good answer Bob… . The “coach” had had little to say from the start. He states his “so called” facts without proof.
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