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Permanent residence VS nationality

Last activity 16 December 2022 by ctktw000

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Waleedov

After five years, do I apply for permanent residence first and then apply for nationality?

Or
I can just apply for nationality straight and skip the visa?
Jimsen
You have to get PR first. I think it’s not possible to apply for Nationality if they reject your PR.
Kdeepak
Which card you have right now?
PR doesn't matter. If you are eligible for nationality you can apply both PR and nationality process together. Since both process separated.


At the time of the application you have unlimited right of residence in Belgium (card types: B, C, D, E and E(+) or F and F(+)).  Prior to the application, you have had uninterrupted legal residence for at least 5 years (card types: A, B, C, D, E and E(+) or F and F(+)).
Jimsen
One of the criteria is “being registered in the population register”.


In Brussels, they didn’t accept my application without Long Term Resident Card.

Probably, you can ask at commune.
Waleedov

@Kdeepak I have "A. Beperkt verblijf". All conditions are met. I am just confused if I need PR or apply for nationality straight.

Peterjohn123
@Kdeepak
Well! You already mention cards that needs to be valid at the time of the application and they are permanent cards :)

So in fact, permanent residence is matter!

A card is not a permanent one!!!
Peterjohn123
@Waleedov your A card is limited stay. In fact “bepeekt verblijt” => Dutch translating to “Limited stay”

With a limited stay, you could not apply for Nationality.

Go to your commune and ask for a D card! When you have it on hand. You can apply for the citizenship.

There have already been a lot of topics concerning this. Please make use of the Search function of the forum.
Waleedov

@Peterjohn123 Thank you. But I don't think this is accurate. Because applying for a D card is ~ 6 months process time. Nationality is another 6 months. And both give you a permanent stay. I searched the forum and online, I don't see anywhere that nationality requires a D card in order to apply.

Waleedov

I applied yesterday with my A.Card. I don't have PRcard.


When I asked them, they say: "Alles in orde"!


Do you think I passed? or it will be refused?

eshwarraj09

First you need to have L or D card.


If you gave A card then how commune is saying all in place??

Waleedov

First you need to have L or D card.
If you gave A card then how commune is saying all in place??
-@eshwarraj09


Well, that is why I am confused!

They told me all documents are ok! but I am worried it will be refused because of a misunderstanding.

saad.s

Well if you have officially begun your process - you would normally get a confirmation from your commune after 35 working days max if all is in order or not.

Waleedov

@saad.s Do you advise me to apply for a D or L card now while the nationality application is in progress?

eshwarraj09

If you are applying nationality, D or L does not matter.

After getting Belgium ID nationality card, then D or L does not play any role

saad.s

@Waleedov I would. You can apply in parallel. I highly doubt your nationality application will go through but at least the only requirement you won’t be filling (I.e being registered in the population register) will be in the process of fulfilment. Afterwards you can apply again.

taizehere

@saad.s what about applying for nationality with card F?

Peterjohn123

@Peterjohn123 Thank you. But I don't think this is accurate. Because applying for a D card is ~ 6 months process time. Nationality is another 6 months. And both give you a permanent stay. I searched the forum and online, I don't see anywhere that nationality requires a D card in order to apply.
-@Waleedov

you are confusing because you are combining both process into one.


infact, permanent residency must come first. You can apply for permanent residence after staying uninterruptly for 5 years without any gap and you must in possess of a valid residence card (A in your case)


then if you are approved to stay unlimited and have your unlimited cards (all card except A), you can apply for Nationality (card A is never be allowed to apply)


So it does not mean that you can start both at the same time because you are not reside permanently in Belgium at the time of the application.


it is written clearly in the Law of Nationality of Belgium but you could read a summary here

https://www.adde.be/ressources/fiches-p … lite-18-an





The foreigner who has been legally resident in Belgium for 5 years


The person must:

  • Be at least 18 years old The birth certificate (Belgian or foreign)
  • Be in possession at the time of applying for nationality for an unlimited stay—
  • > One of the following residence permits: Card B, C, D, E, Annex 8, F, E+, Annex 8bis, F+
  • Stay legally in Belgium and uninterruptedly for 5 years. See question 3.3
  • > A certificate of residence with history of addresses and stays
  • Prove knowledge of one of the three national languages (French, Dutch or German). See question 3.5.
  • Prove your social integration. See question 3.6.
  • Prove its economic integration. See question 3.7.
  • Have paid the 150 euros of registration fee
  • > The receipt issued by the registration office

Peterjohn123

First you need to have L or D card.
If you gave A card then how commune is saying all in place??
-@eshwarraj09

Well, that is why I am confused!
They told me all documents are ok! but I am worried it will be refused because of a misunderstanding.
-@Waleedov

Did you pay non-refundable 150€? I really doubt that it could go through.


And, its sad that mistakes made by commune officials  is not unusual :(

Waleedov

Did you pay non-refundable 150€? I really doubt that it could go through.
And, its sad that mistakes made by commune officials is not unusual sad.png
-@Peterjohn123

@Peterjohn123

Yes, payment was made...

So now I am waiting for the refusal letter to arrive!? :(

it's really strange because I asked two people at the commune, and both said your documents are ok!

ctktw000

I went to my local comune in Gent yesterday and took a brochure about applying for citizenship. On the paper, it shows that you need to have a PR card when you apply for citizenship. It also says A is not enough for me to apply. I still have one more year to go so I was just collecting information at this point.

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